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RB Jahmyr Gibbs, DET (4 Viewers)

I have Montgomery in two redraft leagues and Gibbs in my dynasty league(full PPR) and I’ll be starting both with confidence this week.
I had a lot of success rolling out Swift & Jamaal together last year.

Right up until the Carolina game.
 
10 car for 52 yds
5 rec for 49 yds
No TDs

There will be some apprehension as though 12.6 half-PPR points is poor for 12th RB off the board in a non-TD performance
 
Lions.com’s Tim Twentyman believes Jahmyr Gibbs could function as the team’s primary downfield pass-catching threat.

With no Jameson Williams (suspension) and DJ Chark signing with Carolina this offseason, Detroit comes into 2023 without a clear-cut deep ball threat. Per Twentyman, Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson “said vertical threats don’t have to be receivers so that’s one thing to watch out for with Gibbs.” Twentyman said Gibbs, the Lions’ first round pick, “made a ton of catches down the field in training camp and I think that’s something we could see that is a little unconventional from other pass-catching backs around the league.” It would be quite unique for a running back to serve as a team’s downfield pass catcher, and it wouldn’t necessarily be good for Gibbs’ fantasy prospects. Both Gibbs and backfield mate David Montgomery should be started in 12-team leagues this week against the Chiefs.
 
Lions.com’s Tim Twentyman believes Jahmyr Gibbs could function as the team’s primary downfield pass-catching threat.

With no Jameson Williams (suspension) and DJ Chark signing with Carolina this offseason, Detroit comes into 2023 without a clear-cut deep ball threat. Per Twentyman, Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson “said vertical threats don’t have to be receivers so that’s one thing to watch out for with Gibbs.” Twentyman said Gibbs, the Lions’ first round pick, “made a ton of catches down the field in training camp and I think that’s something we could see that is a little unconventional from other pass-catching backs around the league.” It would be quite unique for a running back to serve as a team’s downfield pass catcher, and it wouldn’t necessarily be good for Gibbs’ fantasy prospects. Both Gibbs and backfield mate David Montgomery should be started in 12-team leagues this week against the Chiefs.
I am confused why is this not a good thing??

We know he is going to get plenty of RB screens, dump offs and he is great after the catch. Why would him not catching deep balls for 50+ yard gains occasionally be bad for his fantasy football stats?
 
Lions.com’s Tim Twentyman believes Jahmyr Gibbs could function as the team’s primary downfield pass-catching threat.

With no Jameson Williams (suspension) and DJ Chark signing with Carolina this offseason, Detroit comes into 2023 without a clear-cut deep ball threat. Per Twentyman, Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson “said vertical threats don’t have to be receivers so that’s one thing to watch out for with Gibbs.” Twentyman said Gibbs, the Lions’ first round pick, “made a ton of catches down the field in training camp and I think that’s something we could see that is a little unconventional from other pass-catching backs around the league.” It would be quite unique for a running back to serve as a team’s downfield pass catcher, and it wouldn’t necessarily be good for Gibbs’ fantasy prospects. Both Gibbs and backfield mate David Montgomery should be started in 12-team leagues this week against the Chiefs.
I am confused why is this not a good thing??

We know he is going to get plenty of RB screens, dump offs and he is great after the catch. Why would him not catching deep balls for 50+ yard gains occasionally be bad for his fantasy football stats?
Deep balls are low percentage plays that are often more decoy routes than anything. Depending on how often they deploy him that way it may also lead to a few more plays off for recovery.
 
Lions.com’s Tim Twentyman believes Jahmyr Gibbs could function as the team’s primary downfield pass-catching threat.

With no Jameson Williams (suspension) and DJ Chark signing with Carolina this offseason, Detroit comes into 2023 without a clear-cut deep ball threat. Per Twentyman, Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson “said vertical threats don’t have to be receivers so that’s one thing to watch out for with Gibbs.” Twentyman said Gibbs, the Lions’ first round pick, “made a ton of catches down the field in training camp and I think that’s something we could see that is a little unconventional from other pass-catching backs around the league.” It would be quite unique for a running back to serve as a team’s downfield pass catcher, and it wouldn’t necessarily be good for Gibbs’ fantasy prospects. Both Gibbs and backfield mate David Montgomery should be started in 12-team leagues this week against the Chiefs.
I am confused why is this not a good thing??

We know he is going to get plenty of RB screens, dump offs and he is great after the catch. Why would him not catching deep balls for 50+ yard gains occasionally be bad for his fantasy football stats?
Deep balls are low percentage plays that are often more decoy routes than anything. Depending on how often they deploy him that way it may also lead to a few more plays off for recovery.
But imagine how pumped Gibbs owners will be when he catches a 50yard TD on a fly route in the 4th quarter after he’s already put up a 100 yards rushing/1td/5 catches stat line. The people in this thread might be in for a fun year!
 
Lions.com’s Tim Twentyman believes Jahmyr Gibbs could function as the team’s primary downfield pass-catching threat.

With no Jameson Williams (suspension) and DJ Chark signing with Carolina this offseason, Detroit comes into 2023 without a clear-cut deep ball threat. Per Twentyman, Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson “said vertical threats don’t have to be receivers so that’s one thing to watch out for with Gibbs.” Twentyman said Gibbs, the Lions’ first round pick, “made a ton of catches down the field in training camp and I think that’s something we could see that is a little unconventional from other pass-catching backs around the league.” It would be quite unique for a running back to serve as a team’s downfield pass catcher, and it wouldn’t necessarily be good for Gibbs’ fantasy prospects. Both Gibbs and backfield mate David Montgomery should be started in 12-team leagues this week against the Chiefs.
I am confused why is this not a good thing??

We know he is going to get plenty of RB screens, dump offs and he is great after the catch. Why would him not catching deep balls for 50+ yard gains occasionally be bad for his fantasy football stats?
Deep balls are low percentage plays that are often more decoy routes than anything. Depending on how often they deploy him that way it may also lead to a few more plays off for recovery.
But imagine how pumped Gibbs owners will be when he catches a 50yard TD on a fly route in the 4th quarter after he’s already put up a 100 yards rushing/1td/5 catches stat line. The people in this thread might be in for a fun year!
I'll be ecstatic. Let's hope it happens.
 
OK but you guys know Tim Twentyman is a dweeb, right?

TT works for the Lions. His podcast is based in Allen Park. They may indeed send Gibbs on some 9 routes - he’s spent a lot of time in TC working with the WRs - so it would make sense to utilize a guy with 4.36 speed.

You might want to also consider the Lions already have a WR with 4.34 speed [in Kalif Raymond] who has caught 95 balls from Goff the last 2 seasons. Sort of like Watkins for Philly, he’ll see 1-2 deep balls a week even though they have bigger stars.
Kalif Raymond will never be matched up against a LB

:wink:
 
His rb archetype, Marshall Faulk, went off on his rookie debut. Want to see where he is listed in the official depth chart tomorrow .
Marshall Faulk had the backfield all to himself, the focal point of a talentless offense. In that debut game, he had 50% more touches than the rest of the team combined. Gibbs will share the backfield on a loaded offense. Great as he may become, there's a lot of good mouths to feed.
 
How loaded is Detroit Week 1 vs the Chiefs? (I have doubts)
How many points are they likely to need in order to win the game?
Monty doesn't gain chunks and isn't a great receiver.
ARSB is the WR1
La Porta is a Rookie-TE, let's temper some expectation on him Week 1
-I thought this was a loaded Offense, who is the WR2? (See why I have doubts?)

They have a terrific OL and I would think they would utilize it and try to keep Mahomes on the sidelines,
Detroit doesn't want Goff to throw it 50 times.
Game 1 expectations? 15-18 touches, not sure the number of carries he will get in the game but his receiving skills should be on full display, there isn't a solid receiving option after ARSB, remember that Williams is suspended for 6 games, at one time we would easily say that is half your fantasy season.

-Gibbs is going to ball out and help fill some of that early season void at WR for the Lions, he should be a factor in things.
 
His rb archetype, Marshall Faulk, went off on his rookie debut. Want to see where he is listed in the official depth chart tomorrow .
Marshall Faulk had the backfield all to himself, the focal point of a talentless offense. In that debut game, he had 50% more touches than the rest of the team combined. Gibbs will share the backfield on a loaded offense. Great as he may become, there's a lot of good mouths to feed.
If he runs good between the tackles, there is no incentive to play Monty at all. If he bombs between the tackles, he may not get a second or third carry. That’s how Dan Campbell is (unless Monty ****s the bed as well)
 
His rb archetype, Marshall Faulk, went off on his rookie debut. Want to see where he is listed in the official depth chart tomorrow .
Marshall Faulk had the backfield all to himself, the focal point of a talentless offense. In that debut game, he had 50% more touches than the rest of the team combined. Gibbs will share the backfield on a loaded offense. Great as he may become, there's a lot of good mouths to feed.
If he runs good between the tackles, there is no incentive to play Monty at all. If he bombs between the tackles, he may not get a second or third carry. That’s how Dan Campbell is (unless Monty ****s the bed as well)
$11 million guaranteed. There's plenty of incentive to play Monty.
 
OK but you guys know Tim Twentyman is a dweeb, right?

TT works for the Lions. His podcast is based in Allen Park. They may indeed send Gibbs on some 9 routes - he’s spent a lot of time in TC working with the WRs - so it would make sense to utilize a guy with 4.36 speed.

You might want to also consider the Lions already have a WR with 4.34 speed [in Kalif Raymond] who has caught 95 balls from Goff the last 2 seasons. Sort of like Watkins for Philly, he’ll see 1-2 deep balls a week even though they have bigger stars.

I know you’re the man when it comes to Det but it’s not just speed but that the team recognizes the ability and is going to put him in positions to succeed. The Cowboys training camp was raving about Pollard and that they might line him up wide and use him as a deep threat. It didn’t end up happening but they have a super talented guy that’s a great wr and really fast on a good offense. All the pieces are there IMO.
 
His rb archetype, Marshall Faulk, went off on his rookie debut. Want to see where he is listed in the official depth chart tomorrow .
Marshall Faulk had the backfield all to himself, the focal point of a talentless offense. In that debut game, he had 50% more touches than the rest of the team combined. Gibbs will share the backfield on a loaded offense. Great as he may become, there's a lot of good mouths to feed.
If he runs good between the tackles, there is no incentive to play Monty at all. If he bombs between the tackles, he may not get a second or third carry. That’s how Dan Campbell is (unless Monty ****s the bed as well)
$11 million guaranteed. There's plenty of incentive to play Monty.
For sure, he’ll certainly get a longer leash but when push comes to shove, the guy who will get the ball in key situations will be the guy that’s going to give them the best chance of success. They need to win at the end of the day.
 
His rb archetype, Marshall Faulk, went off on his rookie debut. Want to see where he is listed in the official depth chart tomorrow .
Marshall Faulk had the backfield all to himself, the focal point of a talentless offense. In that debut game, he had 50% more touches than the rest of the team combined. Gibbs will share the backfield on a loaded offense. Great as he may become, there's a lot of good mouths to feed.
If he runs good between the tackles, there is no incentive to play Monty at all. If he bombs between the tackles, he may not get a second or third carry. That’s how Dan Campbell is (unless Monty ****s the bed as well)
$11 million guaranteed. There's plenty of incentive to play If you suck, you suck.
His rb archetype, Marshall Faulk, went off on his rookie debut. Want to see where he is listed in the official depth chart tomorrow .
Marshall Faulk had the backfield all to himself, the focal point of a talentless offense. In that debut game, he had 50% more touches than the rest of the team combined. Gibbs will share the backfield on a loaded offense. Great as he may become, there's a lot of good mouths to feed.
If he runs good between the tackles, there is no incentive to play Monty at all. If he bombs between the tackles, he may not get a second or third carry. That’s how Dan Campbell is (unless Monty ****s the bed as well)
$11 million guaranteed. There's plenty of incentive to play Monty.
That is a drop in the bucket
His rb archetype, Marshall Faulk, went off on his rookie debut. Want to see where he is listed in the official depth chart tomorrow .
Marshall Faulk had the backfield all to himself, the focal point of a talentless offense. In that debut game, he had 50% more touches than the rest of the team combined. Gibbs will share the backfield on a loaded offense. Great as he may become, there's a lot of good mouths to feed.
If he runs good between the tackles, there is no incentive to play Monty at all. If he bombs between the tackles, he may not get a second or third carry. That’s how Dan Campbell is (unless Monty ****s the bed as well)
$11 million guaranteed. There's plenty of incentive to play Monty.

Jordan Howard sheds a tear
 
I'm fairly bullish on both Lion RBs this year. Lions ranked #11 in rushing yards last year with virtually none coming from the QB position. And just my opinion but Gibbs/Monty > Swift/Williams. Add in that the OL is as healthy as it's been in over a year.
 
I'm fairly bullish on both Lion RBs this year. Lions ranked #11 in rushing last year with virtually none coming from the QB position. And just my opinion but Gibbs/Monty > Swift/Williams. Add in that the OL is as healthy as it's been in over a year.
I’m bullish on the team. They’ve got some high end talent on both sides of the ball and if Jameson can actually contribute on the field like it looked he could in college….lookout.
 
Well, I just drafted him, so I better be wrong about pumping the brakes on him. Got him 3.07 in a 10 team non PPR, my RB2, RB13 off the board. A unique RB-heavy league, with extra points for longer TDs.
 
I'm an excited Gibbs owner but also a Bears fan and David Montgomery is criminally underrated. He is going to be a big part of this offense. He's a beast to bring down, almost never goes down on first contact and he's a terrific receiver. Gibbs owners should not look past him.
 
I'm an excited Gibbs owner but also a Bears fan and David Montgomery is criminally underrated. He is going to be a big part of this offense. He's a beast to bring down, almost never goes down on first contact and he's a terrific receiver. Gibbs owners should not look past him.
I'm a Bears fan and would say that David Montgomery is very mid.
 
I'm an excited Gibbs owner but also a Bears fan and David Montgomery is criminally underrated. He is going to be a big part of this offense. He's a beast to bring down, almost never goes down on first contact and he's a terrific receiver. Gibbs owners should not look past him.
I'm an excited Gibbs owner but also a Bears fan and David Montgomery is criminally underrated. He is going to be a big part of this offense. He's a beast to bring down, almost never goes down on first contact and he's a terrific receiver. Gibbs owners should not look past him.
I'm a Bears fan and would say that David Montgomery is very mid.
I think it's probably somewhere between these two. Montgomery is a very solid player and is never going to hurt you, but he isn't winning the game either. Also, he couldn't beat out a healthy Herbert.

Took Gibbs in the third Rd last night - it's one of those picks that you look around and see other RB's that are a lot safer, but man if this thing works he's going to be so exciting to watch. I am also of the belief that Gibbs has star talent, other than ARSB - I don't see star talent anywhere else on this offense. Jury is still out on Jamo. I think Gibbs is going to be that player that doesn't wow you from a snap count perspective, but has the potential to be one of the league leaders in utilization.
 
Told the Detroit media this week his goals for the season are 1000 yards rushing & 500 receiving

Dan Campbell said they’re going to give him the ball and they love his versatility. But he is more concerned that the core four (Gibbs, Jack Campbell, LaPorta, and Branch) are showing growth over the season; the goal is to have them peak at the end of the year. He doesn’t want to overload Gibbs or any of the rookies playing their first NFL game in Arrowhead.
Shut up Dan Campbell! What do you know?!?!?
 
Check out the gap in these projections:

NFL Fantasy - 20 rush, 0.6/4 rec, 0.2 TDs - 4.2 points (PPR) = RB57
Fantasy Pros - 45 rush, 3/26 rec, 0.7 TDs - 13.4 points (PPR) = RB13
 
Check out the gap in these projections:

NFL Fantasy - 20 rush, 0.6/4 rec, 0.2 TDs - 4.2 points (PPR) = RB57
Fantasy Pros - 45 rush, 3/26 rec, 0.7 TDs - 13.4 points (PPR) = RB13
not sure why you or anyone would ever even glance at an nfl . com fantasy ranking.
 
Check out the gap in these projections:

NFL Fantasy - 20 rush, 0.6/4 rec, 0.2 TDs - 4.2 points (PPR) = RB57
Fantasy Pros - 45 rush, 3/26 rec, 0.7 TDs - 13.4 points (PPR) = RB13
not sure why you or anyone would ever even glance at an nfl . com fantasy ranking.
Good point, but it is our hosting site, so they come up automatically. It just is cracking me up as I feel like I am a slight underdog this week, but it has me losing like 130-108. Most other projections have me around 122-128. Gibbs is the biggest gap there.

Not sure who is running their projections, but having him with like 4-5 carries and less than 1 catch seems pretty counter to everything else out there.
 
but it has me losing like 130-108. Most other projections have me around 122-128.
Does anyone ever go back and check how accurate these projections are?

I see a lot of people break them out in the WDIS thread and, IDK, I have to imagine they are horribly inaccurate from all sources.
 
All it takes for this dude is one touch for 50 yards and a TD, and any of these projections go out the window. The thing is with that offense, that offensive line, the ways they are going to scheme to get him the ball in open space, and the playmakers around him this can happen any game with his ability to make people miss, his burst and speed (23 mph)
 
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As someone who owned Swift last year and bought into the hype I totally avoided Gibbs this year. It may very well be different but I got tired of watching the Lions rotate 3 running backs and Williams was always the goal line back. Maybe that role goes to Montgomery now? Good luck to you that drafted him but 3rd round price eas too steep for me.
 
As someone who owned Swift last year and bought into the hype I totally avoided Gibbs this year. It may very well be different but I got tired of watching the Lions rotate 3 running backs and Williams was always the goal line back. Maybe that role goes to Montgomery now? Good luck to you that drafted him but 3rd round price eas too steep for me.
I hear you. But NFL draft capital matters.
 
As someone who owned Swift last year and bought into the hype I totally avoided Gibbs this year. It may very well be different but I got tired of watching the Lions rotate 3 running backs and Williams was always the goal line back. Maybe that role goes to Montgomery now? Good luck to you that drafted him but 3rd round price eas too steep for me.
I hear you. But NFL draft capital matters.
I had the Jamaal/Swift combo last year and had great success starting both.

Swift is a PITA but even in limited availability he put up 900+ yards & 8 TDs with 48 receptions.
 

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