I thought he showed good burst, and the packers OL opened huge holes for him.
I was just talking about game speed in that particular play. A plodder would've been caught from behind by the CB.I thought he showed good burst, and the packers OL opened huge holes for him.
it also helped that they got an incredible game from their QB.
Haven't seen it, no, but it's possible someone might look at Williams as the future of the backfield. Ty can't stay healthy and as these rookies have caught on he's looked like a WR converted to RB. But I think more of that is due to him playing hurt. Jones looked great but he is currently hurt and who knows how he looks when he comes back. Williams is the last man standing, and has a leg up on everyone for the starting job going forward at this pointI could be wrong, but I imagine nobody is giving a 1st for Jones or Williams at this point.
I still don't get the confidence in Jones. He had 2 good games out of 5 and one of those two games came with Rodgers. The other included a long TD run in which he made zero moves, just basically ran straight ahead. So I really haven't seen anything special out of Jones or Williams to separate them from the pack. Williams has shown better than Jones in my opinion, but again nothing special enough to warrant a clear 2013-2014 Lacy role going forward.Haven't seen it, no, but it's possible someone might look at Williams as the future of the backfield. Ty can't stay healthy and as these rookies have caught on he's looked like a WR converted to RB. But I think more of that is due to him playing hurt. Jones looked great but he is currently hurt and who knows how he looks when he comes back. Williams is the last man standing, and has a leg up on everyone for the starting job going forward at this point
Guess we can agree to disagree on that. We can debate this until August 2018, but I don't feel like that would be constructive. Jones is more athletic than Williams and more versatile. Williams has filled the gap nicely, but hasn't done much to WOW in my opinion. Jones did. But, again, we can agree to disagree. Not worth it because it's just a pissing contest of who's opinion is based on a better opinion.I still don't get the confidence in Jones. He had 2 good games out of 5 and one of those two games came with Rodgers. The other included a long TD run in which he made zero moves, just basically ran straight ahead. So I really haven't seen anything special out of Jones or Williams to separate them from the pack. Williams has shown better than Jones in my opinion, but again nothing special enough to warrant a clear 2013-2014 Lacy role going forward.
Williams has handled three straight games of 21-25 touches against stacked boxes, shown good pass blocking, and looked decent as a pass catcher. He's getting tough yards, but he's not breaking long gains as a runner. So he hasn't hurt his case for next year, but he hasn't made a strong case, either. The next five games will be his opportunity to fend off Jones, Montgomery, and reduce the odds of a rookie/FA coming in. Pretty nasty schedule for a running back, though. After Tampa this week, it's @ CLE, @ CAR, v. MIN. Has the opportunity for a nice week 17 @ DET, I guess.
Only two issues here.Dr. Dan said:Guess we can agree to disagree on that. We can debate this until August 2018, but I don't feel like that would be constructive. Jones is more athletic than Williams and more versatile. Williams has filled the gap nicely, but hasn't done much to WOW in my opinion. Jones did. But, again, we can agree to disagree. Not worth it because it's just a pissing contest of who's opinion is based on a better opinion.
or maybe none of the above.Aznflyer14 said:Well, it all comes down in pass protection because bottom line Aaron Rodgers is the guy who is the centerpiece of Packers' offense. I think Packers will go RBBC next year with Ty, Jones, and Jamaal.
He is a good pass blocker. He may not be powerful, but he is fast and elusive. 2 things Williams is not.Only two issues here.
First, Jones hardly seems more versatile. He's not a powerful runner and he isn't a good pass blocker. Those are two key ingredients of being versatile. Without those, he seems more suited for a scat back role. Williams has shown he can carry the load, get tough yards through contact, pass block, and has been very effective as a receiver.
Second, what did Jones do to WOW anyone? He torched a mediocre Cowboys defense that was focused on Rodgers and he ran straight for a 48 yard TD against the Saints. Color me unimpressed, especially when you look at his other three duds. I'm not saying Williams has done much to wow anyone. Just that Jones hasn't, either.
I think this may be very true. I do not think GB invests in the draft unless someone of some significant talent falls to them. They have 4 good RBs that they like. Mays has stumbled into the dog house. Williams has shown to be that between the tackle guy that they were hoping he'd be. Jones is the fastest RB they've had in the last maybe 2 decades, and Ty Montgomery has a definite role IMO. But you could be dead on here. I am not so sure they invest a high draft pick though given their problems at OL, TE, probably moving on from Hundley an taking another QB at some point in this deep draft, and CB still needs some help for depth once we move on from Randall and Rollins. Anything can happen I guess. Personally, I'd love for them to take a RB round 2 or 3 and get someone who is undisputed as a starter.or maybe none of the above.
It's very possible that we see the same RB stable in Green Bay next season for sure. I surely wouldn't be trading first round picks away for any of these guys though as none of the are entrenched and there's plenty of things that could make them obsolete in a hurry.He is a good pass blocker. He may not be powerful, but he is fast and elusive. 2 things Williams is not.
Again, we will have to disagree on Jones. From what I saw leading back to even preseason, he has looked like the best RB on the team. Very difficult to give him an absolute grade because of the QB situation, but I do think he has shown enough.
I think this may be very true. I do not think GB invests in the draft unless someone of some significant talent falls to them. They have 4 good RBs that they like. Mays has stumbled into the dog house. Williams has shown to be that between the tackle guy that they were hoping he'd be. Jones is the fastest RB they've had in the last maybe 2 decades, and Ty Montgomery has a definite role IMO. But you could be dead on here. I am not so sure they invest a high draft pick though given their problems at OL, TE, probably moving on from Hundley an taking another QB at some point in this deep draft, and CB still needs some help for depth once we move on from Ran.dall and Rollins. Anything can happen I guess. Personally, I'd love for them to take a RB round 2 or 3 and get someone who is undisputed as a starter.
I don't think there's any evidence that he's a good pass blocker and he's also not particularly fast (0.03 seconds faster 40 than Williams). Elusive is something that will have to be proven. Not enough data on that. To me, Jones is a poor man's Abdullah: he's quick but not nearly the the sparq score phenom that Abdullah is, he's small-ish but less durable than Abdullah, and he'll need to be elusive like Abdullah but hasn't proven to be yet. And look where Abdullah is after 2.5 years in the league.He is a good pass blocker. He may not be powerful, but he is fast and elusive. 2 things Williams is not.
Again, we will have to disagree on Jones. From what I saw leading back to even preseason, he has looked like the best RB on the team. Very difficult to give him an absolute grade because of the QB situation, but I do think he has shown enough.
Yeah I'd say we're on the same page regarding this situationIt's very possible that we see the same RB stable in Green Bay next season for sure. I surely wouldn't be trading first round picks away for any of these guys though as none of the are entrenched and there's plenty of things that could make them obsolete in a hurry.
I agree they likely will not spend a high pick at RB - but it is possible they will if some one falls into their lap like Lacy did in Round 2 as a stud type runner would only make this offense better. Also let's not forget that Williams and Jones were both late round picks in their own right so it's not like a fourth or fifth round pick at RB is no threat to them either. And while making a splash in free agency is not their style (like Bell or Hyde), there should be a few bargain type RBs available that could be a threat like Jerrick McKinnon, Doug Martin, Jeremy Hill or Isaiah Crowell.
I actually like Williams the best out of what they have now but none of these guys have shown enough to be irreplaceable.
Sounds like Jones might be back. Not sure about Ty, either.Does Williams get the start this week, or is Ty Montgomery expected back for the game? With Freeman returning from concussion against a stout Minn Def, I'm considering Williams in his place. But if the GB role turns into a timeshare, then I'll have to figure out something else.
Thanks! Reading that article, seems the HC and OC have complete faith in Williams, which I have to think he gets first shot to hold the starting job if/when Jones/Montgomery come back.Sounds like Jones might be back. Not sure about Ty, either.
http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/259472/packers-offense-could-run-and-pass-through-rookie-jamaal-williams
Sounds like the starter. For now.Sounds like Jones might be back. Not sure about Ty, either.
http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/259472/packers-offense-could-run-and-pass-through-rookie-jamaal-williams
I could see a scenario in which they move toward a more New England style of RB utilization next season (and perhaps even the last quarter of this season).It's very possible that we see the same RB stable in Green Bay next season for sure. I surely wouldn't be trading first round picks away for any of these guys though as none of the are entrenched and there's plenty of things that could make them obsolete in a hurry.
I agree they likely will not spend a high pick at RB - but it is possible they will if some one falls into their lap like Lacy did in Round 2 as a stud type runner would only make this offense better. Also let's not forget that Williams and Jones were both late round picks in their own right so it's not like a fourth or fifth round pick at RB is no threat to them either. And while making a splash in free agency is not their style (like Bell or Hyde), there should be a few bargain type RBs available that could be a threat like Jerrick McKinnon, Doug Martin, Jeremy Hill or Isaiah Crowell.
I actually like Williams the best out of what they have now but none of these guys have shown enough to be irreplaceable.
Montgomery is on IR. Wrist surgery.Chicago Hooligan said:I have Jamaal in over both Freeman and Dion Lewis (non-PPR) right now. Definitely waiting to hear about Ty, although he really hasn't been a factor in months and Jamaal seems more like a goal line guy anyway.
My Jamaal Ballz grew 3 sizes today. Join the online sensation.Montgomery is on IR. Wrist surgery.
I'm the opposite. If Jones is out, Jamaal's a no-brainer for me. If he plays, I'll wait to hear what the workload is supposed to be like. It's going to take a lot for me to sub in DeMarco for him with his 1.8 YPC and bad matchup.If Jones plays my decision is made easy, he’s out.
If Jones doesn’t play...I have a tough decision to make.
His only touch of the day!Yeah but give me a break with the A.Jones run.
I'll admit I haven't read this entire thread, but I've read the last few pages. I don't think Williams is a plodder, but I also don't think he's tremendously elusive or quick. You don't have to be to have success at the RB position, but they certainly help. He's hard to tackle, and he drives through contact. He's a good pass protector (going back to training camp) and an adequate receiver. I just don't personally think he's special in any way, and typically I don't like to invest in those players in dynasty and keeper leagues (which is the vast majority of what I play).Did you guys see him "plod" his way through that defender for the TD?
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017120304/2017/REG13/Buccaneers@Packers?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017120304#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000887370&tab=videos
I would agree with the above.I'll admit I haven't read this entire thread, but I've read the last few pages. I don't think Williams is a plodder, but I also don't think he's tremendously elusive or quick. You don't have to be to have success at the RB position, but they certainly help. He's hard to tackle, and he drives through contact. He's a good pass protector (going back to training camp) and an adequate receiver. I just don't personally think he's special in any way, and typically I don't like to invest in those players in dynasty and keeper leagues (which is the vast majority of what I play).
Those guys can absolutely help you for a year or two ... they also tend to be the types the team looks to replace in search of a more special player.
That's not a Jones vs. Williams thing, though I've pretty clearly declared I'm in the Jones camp here. I just don't think Williams is special. I think Jones *might* be. I believe Jones is quicker, more elusive, and over time will prove to be a much better receiver. He's not the pass protector Williams is right now, but that can be taught, and we've not heard Jones in inept in pass pro. I think the team may feel getting 80% of Williams' power with an upgrade in every other aspect is better for them in the long run ... but what do I know?
Time will tell. It'll be fascinating to see how it plays out down the stretch.
It wasn't directed at anyone in particular - it has been mentioned in the forum that he's a plodder, though, likely based on combine numbers.I'll admit I haven't read this entire thread, but I've read the last few pages. I don't think Williams is a plodder, but I also don't think he's tremendously elusive or quick. You don't have to be to have success at the RB position, but they certainly help. He's hard to tackle, and he drives through contact. He's a good pass protector (going back to training camp) and an adequate receiver. I just don't personally think he's special in any way, and typically I don't like to invest in those players in dynasty and keeper leagues (which is the vast majority of what I play).
Those guys can absolutely help you for a year or two ... they also tend to be the types the team looks to replace in search of a more special player.
That's not a Jones vs. Williams thing, though I've pretty clearly declared I'm in the Jones camp here. I just don't think Williams is special. I think Jones *might* be. I believe Jones is quicker, more elusive, and over time will prove to be a much better receiver. He's not the pass protector Williams is right now, but that can be taught, and we've not heard Jones in inept in pass pro. I think the team may feel getting 80% of Williams' power with an upgrade in every other aspect is better for them in the long run ... but what do I know?
Time will tell. It'll be fascinating to see how it plays out down the stretch.
Keep hope alive, I guess, but that didn't work as well in reverse.Williams makes a nice between the tackles/ short yardage back. Not every RB is drafted to be a featured back
Williams is looking like he can fill that niche as a guy not explosive or dynamic enough to be a feature back, but play a key role as a backup. Those guys are valuable to teams.
That said, I'm not discounting Williams because the story isn't written yet, but Jones has the traits to be a feature back & Williams is lagging in that department IMO
Key point is the dynamics of a Rodgers/Jones offense with lighter boxes. Jones can excel there because one broken tackle & you're typically in the secondary. I'm sure thst's one of the reasons Green Bay drafted Jones along side Williams.
When you write "someone not on the roster" what are you expecting? A draft pick? A free agent signing?Keep hope alive, I guess, but that didn't work as well in reverse.
In all seriousness, assuming they don't run a true 3-way RBBC, who do you think has the best odds of getting 50%+ of the snaps (per healthy game) next season? I'll go first:
Jamaal Williams - 50% chance
Someone not on the current roster - 35% chance
Aaron Jones - 10% chance
Ty Montgomery - 5% chance