The Captain
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If it’s a bruised heel ‘bone’ then it could be weeks. Bone bruises are no joke.
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greenmountaingoat
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The "bruised heel" made me feel a little better until I remembered how much AJB's bone bruise hobbled him last year. Obviously not necessarily the same type of thing but still, feeling a little better about this news than I did with the thought it could be an ankle.
Johnny Utah #9
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Yeah it was initially reported as an ankle, so the update to heel seemed encouraging. He seemed to be active on the sidelines yesterday, so hopefully it doesn’t keep him out long, if at all."Bruised heel" doesn't sound all that bad, but of course it could mean a variety of things. I believe the in-game report was that it was his ankle, so I guess a heel is encouraging?
Tests this morning revealed that Jaguars’ RB James Robinson escaped serious injury and he now is expected to be day to day with a foot injury that will leave his status for Sunday vs. Buffalo in question, per source.
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1455187548511346690?s=20
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1455187548511346690?s=20
Buck Bradcanon
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John Shipley
@_John_Shipley
Urban Meyer says RB James Robinson is questionable for Sunday with his heel injury, notes today is a key day for his recovery.
"I hope today is a good day."
11/12/21, 9:20 AM
@_John_Shipley
Urban Meyer says RB James Robinson is questionable for Sunday with his heel injury, notes today is a key day for his recovery.
"I hope today is a good day."
11/12/21, 9:20 AM
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Oh man, downgraded to DNP today after being limited yesterday. With the latest Kamara news, I really REALLY cannot afford to be without him this week.
Banger
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Probably worth a pickup if he's out there (he's not in the league where I have Robinson). But this isn't a Mattison/Darrel Williams situation. Robinson's value comes from him being Robinson. Jax offense is terrible and so is Hyde. I would guess you're getting about 60% of JR's value with him.
Buck Bradcanon
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Jaguars' James Robinson: Logs limited practice session
(25 mins ago) Robinson (heel/knee) was listed by the Jaguars as a limited practice participant Thursday.
Initial reports suggested that Robinson wasn't present for Thursday's practice, but evidently the running back was able to fit some work in after all and thus logged a limited session. If he's able to practice fully Friday, Robinson could approach Sunday's game against the Rams minus an injury designation, a progression that would match how he headed into Week 12 action.
(25 mins ago) Robinson (heel/knee) was listed by the Jaguars as a limited practice participant Thursday.
Initial reports suggested that Robinson wasn't present for Thursday's practice, but evidently the running back was able to fit some work in after all and thus logged a limited session. If he's able to practice fully Friday, Robinson could approach Sunday's game against the Rams minus an injury designation, a progression that would match how he headed into Week 12 action.
Concerned this guy is going to just get shut down at some point.
Hyde sitting there on the wire.
@NYJ week 16 too.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Titans matchup is brutal. If he's healthy we still starting?
The Finist
Footballguy
Brutal as far as Titans D? Gamescript wise it could favor JRob because the Titans offense is also brutal of late.
I'm assuming most of you have heard Urban's responses to line of questioning regarding James Robinson. He was asked if Robinson is getting punished more severely then other members of the team. He said no. He was then asked if that was not the case and if he was out for long stretches this past week not for fumbling but for health reasons why was he playing last few snaps of a blowout.
James Robinson himself, who I've been told is super low key and quiet, did a radio hit yesterday and was kind of asked the same questions and here are his responses: https://twitter.com/ActionSportsJax/status/1468031697782558735
A few takeaways from this but main thing is their does seem to be a disconnect between Robinson and the coaching staff, not that Robinson seems like the type to mope or complain. I'm sure Robinson owners and ETN owners as well would sure like to see this relationship end and I'm starting to think it's possible. Maybe just wishful thinking. But this draft class is not super strong looking at RB, I believe Robinson is on cost controlled cheap deal for two more years, and maybe even if the Jags are not actively shopping him an astute GM out there will see an opportunity here and pounce.
James Robinson himself, who I've been told is super low key and quiet, did a radio hit yesterday and was kind of asked the same questions and here are his responses: https://twitter.com/ActionSportsJax/status/1468031697782558735
A few takeaways from this but main thing is their does seem to be a disconnect between Robinson and the coaching staff, not that Robinson seems like the type to mope or complain. I'm sure Robinson owners and ETN owners as well would sure like to see this relationship end and I'm starting to think it's possible. Maybe just wishful thinking. But this draft class is not super strong looking at RB, I believe Robinson is on cost controlled cheap deal for two more years, and maybe even if the Jags are not actively shopping him an astute GM out there will see an opportunity here and pounce.
rockaction
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Jags aren't exactly lighting it up in the personnel IQ department this past year, but you've gotta think they're holding onto Robinson. I'll give you wide berth because you've been pretty spot-on in your assessment, but why would they trade him? They don't know at all what they have in Etienne right now. It would seem foolish. I wouldn't put it past them, but you'd think they'd have learned their lesson about the NFL, explosiveness, and running backs.
I appreciate the latitude on my working theories and I for sure don't think they will trade him, just think this kind of stuff makes it more possible.
If they did trade him why would they?
They don't value him. They've not really shown that they do. Maybe a better way to state is they don't value him nearly as high as another team would. IMO when he got injured their offense went another level downhill. At this point he is and has been the best player on that offense since he entered the league but spending the #1 on ETN, benching him for fumbling to point that when Hyde was asking to be taken out for a breather they told Robinson don't go in, eventually throwing a very banged up Robinson into last few series of a game they were getting killed are not in alignment with things you do with a player you put a high value on.
So along the lines of what I just wrote if a team offers them compensation more then the value they have on Robinson.
Then you do have Robinson potentially making waves. This is not as likely to me because he does not seem like the type but that's what players have agents handle sometimes so it's not impossible that his agent starts letting front office know he's not happy, feels like he's carried team on his back last two years is getting run into ground but not rewarded and would be open to a trade.
rockaction
Footballguy
All very plausible, especially the deduction that they don't value him given their actions. I just find it hard to believe they'd be that stubborn and stupid (for lack of better words, let's call a spade a spade) with respect to him and his talents. But you're right that all things add up to not valuing a player. Maybe they could get "blown away" by a third round pick given their once and current valuation of him.
We'll see. Be great for people that roster him if he actually had a team that seemed to want him running the football.
zamboni
Footballguy
Wow - those guys really goaded Robinson and he gave some answers that he probably wish he could have back. What's with not knowing how much time is on the clock though?
Who knows which way this will go - in this season, I'm sure there's some expectation of frustration by everyone - but this can't be a good look for Robinson in the eyes of his coaching staff. I doubt they trade him considering he's so cheap, but I am looking to target Etienne on the cheap in keeper/dynasty leagues in case Urban sticks around and Etienne's recovery goes well.
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zamboni
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Yup - speaking out like that is only going to hurt him. If he's not playing, he's not going to raise his value when he ultimately can leave via free agency.
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rockaction
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rockaction
Footballguy
I keep forgetting their capacity for both, especially coming from ego-driven guys that are used to .800-plus winning percentages with athletes that you can boss around, those who have no recourse but transferring somewhere else they can be bossed around like chattel.
Ugh. Meyer.
I'm going to disagree he could not bring back a decent return. I think under the right circumstances he could draw back a second, especially this year but saying that I would have no trust in this franchise to maximize a trade asset. I've said this before and I'll say it again but I think his talent to me is like a young Frank Gore, this is not just some volume driven fantasy compiling stiff to me, this is a very good football player.
I also did not perceive his answers to the questions as speaking out and for sure not a hint of looking like he was complaining. And I really wish he'd speak out, I think the Jags have shown they will deal players who want out or are not working out. Now I did think it was odd about not knowing the time on the clock, makes it sound like he mentally checked out or worse.
I also did not perceive his answers to the questions as speaking out and for sure not a hint of looking like he was complaining. And I really wish he'd speak out, I think the Jags have shown they will deal players who want out or are not working out. Now I did think it was odd about not knowing the time on the clock, makes it sound like he mentally checked out or worse.
rockaction
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I was going to say that they'd trade him for a second but nobody would offer it, IMO. When I wrote about a third upthread I had an aside that I deleted where I talked about a second, but that seems far-fetched for him. That's just reading the lay of the NFL land. Perhaps there are evaluators out there that see him like you do, and they'd be willing to offer it. I'm not going to disagree very vehemently with that line of thought. I think, if that were the offer, the Jags would do that in a heartbeat.
We usually see multiple RB's drafted in the second round so to me that is the lay of the land for a good young RB. The trade off is 2 years of cost control vs 4 years but proven and 100% NFL ready vs a question mark.
Anyway all speculation I can only hope we get confirmed and he got traded for a bag of bagels I'd be happy to see it. For some of my dynasty teams for sure, but I'd really like to see him on a good team instead of getting rode to death in obscurity.
ETA- I wanted to add it would be fair to say "when is the last time a RB drew a second" in return and that being evidence the lay of the land does not support getting a second in return. That's all true. Just don't see a lot of young first year contract RB's that are performing well made available but for sure it's one of the most difficult positions to get trade return but even the Patriots got a 4 and 6 for Sony and he only had a year left on his deal and he's not as good.
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rockaction
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We do, but those guys are all sub 4.55 guys with burst. Robinson has good burst, no doubt, and his proven status might outweigh his lack of top-end speed, but I see the guys that they're drafting in the second and I'm thinking, "Those guys are a just a little faster than Robinson."
But I'm a watch and tape guy, admittedly, and there's more to being a RB than that.
Bottom line is we generally agree in that I'd also be happy to see him go somewhere they want him and somewhere where he's a contributor on a good team, because it seems like he's a good egg with a good story. He's clearly a starting RB in the NFL as it stands.
Of top of my head we saw Clyde and Jacobs make it to late round one and I think they were comparable to Robinson. I think Kerryon Johnson in early second a few years ago .Now, fact those picks were probably mistakes might not be ideal but we do see Rb's with slower 40's going high.
rockaction
Footballguy
You're right, actually. Jacobs didn't run and would have run in the high 4.6s based on estimates, Clyde ran like a 4.6, and Javonte didn't light up any speed guns, either, so there is precedent. For sure.
