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RB James White, NE (1 Viewer)

Weren’t you the one saying the Cleveland rush was going to be too much for Brady last week? 
^^ brownies also held the vaunted Patriots rush offense to just 79 yards on the day. Chubb could easily have had himself a 200 yard outing, heck he got 131 by the time the Nat'l Anthem was done.

again, you don't actually watch football, do you

 
I see places suggesting White is going to play, but they aren’t places I would automatically take their word on. He is said to have a minor toe injury. I would guess he plays, but who knows if he will be slowed / limited in any way. 

As for Brady and the Browns, the weather probably played a role as the first half was wet and the second half was windy. NE only cares about winning. They have had the benefit of being able to play very conservative offensively. I think a lot of people are reading that as the offense is incapable or average when I would not conclude that. Plus they have had multiple games where they went out of their way to not score points including forgoing FG attempts from the 30 yard line several times. I’m not saying the 2019 offense will turn into the 2007 offense, but I think they can dial up the offense a lot more than they’ve shown so far. 

 
^^ brownies also held the vaunted Patriots rush offense to just 79 yards on the day. Chubb could easily have had himself a 200 yard outing, heck he got 131 by the time the Nat'l Anthem was done.

again, you don't actually watch football, do you
NE clearly schemes to limit big plays and not get beat by CLE’s outside receivers. That meant they could live with Chubb gaining yards on the ground. 

We’ll see how this week plays out, but I would not use Chubb as the example of what the Ravens will be able to do running the ball. BB will look to take away the run and force Jackson to throw. 

 
I’m not saying the 2019 offense will turn into the 2007 offense, but I think they can dial up the offense a lot more than they’ve shown so far. 
I'm skeptical. I think they're still getting adjusted offensively, but I don't know how much they can turn it up at this very moment. You seem to indicate that they aren't going full-bore and that they're leaving plays in the book and tricks in the bag. There's a difference between eventually finding cohesion and having had the capacity to but deliberately not scoring or holding back the playbook, as it were.

 
^^ brownies also held the vaunted Patriots rush offense to just 79 yards on the day. Chubb could easily have had himself a 200 yard outing, heck he got 131 by the time the Nat'l Anthem was done.

again, you don't actually watch football, do you
 Vaunted Patriots rush offense? :lol:   They’re bottom 3rd in the league this year, averaging not much more than that precious 82 yards (by the backfield) you’re all excited about.

Pats passing and rushing attack was a whopping 20 yards below season averages.. which consists of a lot of games against tomato cans.

CLE defense was exactly who we thought they were.   :yawn:  

:lol:  at the Chubb comments. 

Perhaps you’re the one not watching much football. NTTAWTT  :coffee:  

 

 
NE clearly schemes to limit big plays and not get beat by CLE’s outside receivers. That meant they could live with Chubb gaining yards on the ground. 

We’ll see how this week plays out, but I would not use Chubb as the example of what the Ravens will be able to do running the ball. BB will look to take away the run and force Jackson to throw. 
Exactly. But old man Tanner doesn’t actually watch NE play so he doesn’t know that :)  

 
I'm skeptical. I think they're still getting adjusted offensively, but I don't know how much they can turn it up at this very moment. You seem to indicate that they aren't going full-bore and that they're leaving plays in the book and tricks in the bag. There's a difference between eventually finding cohesion and having had the capacity to but deliberately not scoring or holding back the playbook, as it were.
They have been up 24-0 in half their games. Yes, they have been using a fraction of their playbook. They have had multiple games in the fourth quarter where  they had fourth and short and didn’t go for it or kick a FG. The sports media of former NE players has said they have barely dipped into the playbook to not have formations and plays on tape for opponents to plan for. 

 
According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, James White's toe injury is considered "very minor."

White popped up on the injury report with a toe issue late in the week, though his ailment is thought to be only a minor inconvenience. Second among running backs with 42 catches, White should be in the fold for New England Sunday night at Baltimore.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 3, 2019, 9:22 AM ET

 
James White rushed nine times for 38 yards and a touchdown and caught 2-of-3 targets for 46 yards in Week 9 against the Ravens.

White came into the game questionable with a foot injury, but he looked fully healthy. He led the Patriots backfield with 28 snaps and vultured a goal-line carry with New England in its no-huddle offense for his touchdown. Rex Burkhead cut into White’s workload a little more this week, but White's pass-game role is secure. White has 42 catches and 404 receiving yards going into the Patriots’ Week 10 bye.

Nov 3, 2019, 11:45 PM ET

 
James White compiled 20 yards on five carries along with four catches for 16 yards on seven targets Sunday in the Patriots’ Week 11 win over Philadelphia.

He was in on more snaps (32) than both Sony Michel (22) and Rex Burkhead (21), though obviously that snap advantage didn't amount to much in the fantasy realm. White's 16 receiving yards Sunday were his fewest since the Patriots' opening week win over Pittsburgh. While White hasn't reached the heights of his breakout 2018, he still ranks fourth among running backs in receiving yards with 420. The Patriots return home to face Dallas in Week 12.

Nov 17, 2019, 9:21 PM ET

 
James White rushed 14 times for 79 yards and caught 8-of-11 targets for 98 yards and a touchdown in Week 13 against the Texans.

White scored the Patriots first touchdown on an uncovered pass to the flats. He had the longest run of his career on a 32-yard gain in the third quarter. Gamescript was working in White’s favor with the Patriots chasing points the entire game and he finished with a monster workload. White has another good matchup in Week 14 against Chiefs, where he'll be a high-end FLEX.

 
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James White had two touchdowns last night.  He scored 35 points .5 PPR.

He was on my bench. If he played, I make the playoffs by 33 points. It was that close, and he couldn't find a way out there against a really good opponent with good potential.

Just a waste.

 
James White had two touchdowns last night.  He scored 35 points .5 PPR.

He was on my bench. If he played, I make the playoffs by 33 points. It was that close, and he couldn't find a way out there against a really good opponent with good potential.

Just a waste.
This brings up something I often thought about.  Next year we are going to look at White's yearly points not realizing that almost nobody would have started him this week.  Is there a database of start % by site for previous weeks?  A guy like Lee Evans / Hammy Watkins who score 3/4/4/2/48/2/3/5 are not that useful because they were on your bench for the 48 points.

 
This brings up something I often thought about.  Next year we are going to look at White's yearly points not realizing that almost nobody would have started him this week.  Is there a database of start % by site for previous weeks?  A guy like Lee Evans / Hammy Watkins who score 3/4/4/2/48/2/3/5 are not that useful because they were on your bench for the 48 points.
I started him, felt like a White week, on the road, might fall behind, dink n dunk city. 

 
If there was a week to start J. White, this was it. Houston was giving up the most yards receiving and second most receiving TDs to RBs. Wasn't looking too great the first half. Glad it worked out.

 
If there was a week to start J. White, this was it. Houston was giving up the most yards receiving and second most receiving TDs to RBs. Wasn't looking too great the first half. Glad it worked out.
Yeah, it was a great week to start him and a great idea to bench Fuller. Weird thing was, PFF was telling people to outright drop him, which gave me pause. It just...I wish I had looked at FO's DVOA numbers against the receiving yards to DB. If I had known that, it would have definitely swung.

And the thing was, as my team got stronger, he started to fade to into numbers that were pedestrian, whereas earlier due to injuries he was a nice plus at W/R/T or RB2 for 10 pts. PPR even.

I'm hot hating on James. Hating on my game last night. 

 
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Yeah, it was a great week to start him and a great idea to bench Fuller. Weird thing was, PFF was telling people to outright drop him, which gave me pause. It just...I wish I had looked at FO's DVOA numbers against the receiving yards to DB. If I had known that, it would have definitely swung.

And the thing was, as my team got stronger, he started to fade to into numbers that were pedestrian, whereas earlier due to injuries he was a nice plus at W/R/T or RB2 for 10 pts. PPR even.

I'm hot hating on James. Hating on my game last night. 
Regardless of the stats, if Mack was healthy I probably would of had a tough time playing White over him. The stats made me feel like there was a decent chance for him to have a good game. Didn't really have any other options and just got lucky.

 
White is my RB bye and flex filler in my main league. In 0.75/ppr for RBs, broke double digits in his first 8 games. That's an attractive floor in a 14 team league where there are 28 RBs, 42 WRs and 14 Flex positions every week. Unsexy players like him (and for me Marvin Jones at WR) are great depth when constructing a roster

 
James White went for 33 yards on six carries while contributing five catches for 27 yards on seven targets Sunday in the Patriots’ Week 14 loss to the Chiefs.

Though nowhere near as heroic as his otherworldly Week 13 (177 yards at Houston), White remained plenty involved Sunday, leading New England's backfield in a host of categories including touches, rushing yards, catches and yards from scrimmage. He did most of the heavy lifting late as Rex Burkhead and Sony Michel both took backseats to White in the second half. The 27-year-old even got to show off his arm a little, flinging a 35-yard completion—the first of his career—to Jakobi Meyers on a fourth-quarter trick play. Game script worked to White's advantage though that may not be the case next week at Cincinnati, a game the Pats should win with ease.

 
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Patriots RB James White will "have a heavy role and could be in for a monster year" if Cam Newton wins the team's starting quarterback job, per The Athletic's Jeff Howe. 

Howe cites Newton's usage of Christian McCaffrey in 2018, when CMC reeled in 107 of 124 targets, averaging 54.2 receiving yards per game. Certainly White won't see that much volume in a crowded New England backfield, but in PPR leagues, his ADP remains reasonable as the 31st running back off the board. 

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Aug 11, 2020, 3:07 PM ET

 
Patriots RB James White will "have a heavy role and could be in for a monster year" if Cam Newton wins the team's starting quarterback job, per The Athletic's Jeff Howe. 

Howe cites Newton's usage of Christian McCaffrey in 2018, when CMC reeled in 107 of 124 targets, averaging 54.2 receiving yards per game. Certainly White won't see that much volume in a crowded New England backfield, but in PPR leagues, his ADP remains reasonable as the 31st running back off the board. 

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Aug 11, 2020, 3:07 PM ET
Isn't this comparing apples and oranges? CMC never comes off the field. White is a 3rd down receiving specialist. CMC played 1039 snaps last year vs. 490 for White. White had 47% of the snaps CMC did. 47% of 124 targets = 58 targets. White had 95 targets last year. I know the math isn't that simple, but White is not about to play 1,000+ snaps and become an every down back. White had 123 targets in 2018 (which was far and away his career high). In his other 4 seasons with significant playing time (so excluding 2018), White has averaged 77 targets.

I really don't see White's value higher than in other seasons, as there could easily be more competition for touches out of the RB spot. Additionally, if Cam is the QB, 100 carries and many goal line looks will get moved from the RB column to the QB column.

NE is shaping up to be a run first team. I don't think they will be going crazy in passing swing routes or dump offs to White. Maybe White would see more targets if NE were playing from behind a lot, but I don't see the Patriots getting crushed and having to pass a ton for three quarters or there being a lot of offensive garbage time for NE players.

 
James White caught 3-of-3 targets for 30 yards and rushed five times for 22 yards in the Patriots' Week 1 win over the Dolphins.

The Patriots led for the entire game, so it wasn't the correct game script for White to have a big game. The good news long term for White is Cam Newton's health. He looked sharp as a rusher and passer. White will have a better chance for RB3 PPR production in Seattle next week. Expect New England to pass more than 19 times then.

- Rotoworld

 
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Acquired White as somewhat of a throw in on a redraft trade. Non PPR, and my starting running backs are decent. Didn’t get to watch the Pats game Sunday, but they seemed to be coming at us with the Cam show.

I do know their plan of attack/look of the offense could easily change.

Curious if any New England fans have any solid opinions on the rushing game up in Foxburough.

I’m a little thin at WR and not sure if I want to cut White, or hold and see how the RB game plays out in New England, but he’s the cusp.

I figured Cam and White might be good for each other with some quick check downs.

 
Acquired White as somewhat of a throw in on a redraft trade. Non PPR, and my starting running backs are decent. Didn’t get to watch the Pats game Sunday, but they seemed to be coming at us with the Cam show.

I do know their plan of attack/look of the offense could easily change.

Curious if any New England fans have any solid opinions on the rushing game up in Foxburough.

I’m a little thin at WR and not sure if I want to cut White, or hold and see how the RB game plays out in New England, but he’s the cusp.

I figured Cam and White might be good for each other with some quick check downs.
In non-PPR, I don't think White is a very useful fantasy asset. PPR yes, although I don't see him having the same amount of usage as two years ago.  

 
I'm holding him in a .5 PPR league. He's still their best pass catching RB. He'll put up better numbers playing from behind and the Pats aren't gonna play Miami every week.

 
Acquired White as somewhat of a throw in on a redraft trade. Non PPR, and my starting running backs are decent. Didn’t get to watch the Pats game Sunday, but they seemed to be coming at us with the Cam show.

I do know their plan of attack/look of the offense could easily change.

Curious if any New England fans have any solid opinions on the rushing game up in Foxburough.

I’m a little thin at WR and not sure if I want to cut White, or hold and see how the RB game plays out in New England, but he’s the cusp.

I figured Cam and White might be good for each other with some quick check downs.
I am a punt on all NE RBs this year for a number of reasons. As we saw last week, Cam will have weeks where he is the primary RB and get the goal line carries. BB has come out and said given the abbreviated offseason, he plans on substituting players across most positions to keep them fresh and try to limit injuries. He did that against the Dolphins with the running backs. 

White played 42% of the snaps last year. He only played 30% last week. He should have weeks with more targets, but I would project him to have fewer targets than with Brady. Also, Harris should be back in a few weeks and will further muddy the waters for RBs in NE. Especially in 0 PPR leagues, I doubt White will have many fantasy weeks where he is startable. I would hold him for now and hope he has a big week soon and then look to trade high. 

 
Taylor could also be another potential headache...he looked very good on his 5 touches and I bet them give him a few more opportunities this week (there is nothing BB likes more then a UDFA)...add in Harris and you could have a 5 headed monster or what could be known as the Triple Lindy of RBBC's.

 
Taylor could also be another potential headache...he looked very good on his 5 touches and I bet them give him a few more opportunities this week (there is nothing BB likes more then a UDFA)...add in Harris and you could have a 5 headed monster or what could be known as the Triple Lindy of RBBC's.
It’s unlikely NE would have that many RBs active on game day. Taylor would either be a healthy scratch or sent back to the practice squad once Harris comes back. But for now he certainly is in the mix. 

 
It’s unlikely NE would have that many RBs active on game day. Taylor would either be a healthy scratch or sent back to the practice squad once Harris comes back. But for now he certainly is in the mix. 
If he keeps doing what he did last week he has an excellent chance to be in the mix...the next two games will be crucial for him...he needs to make the most of his opportunities while Harris is out...although Burkhead will probably be hurt be then so it won't matter.

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20200917/patriots-coach-compared-jj-taylor-to-darren-sproles

 
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Horrendous news. I wondered why he was bumped and figured it was no good. I had no idea how bad it could be.

RIP to his father. Bless his mother, that she may pull through. 

 
James White (personal) remained away from Patriots practice on Thursday. 

It remains unclear when White will return to the team following the unspeakable Sunday incident involving his parents. We will let you know when White returns to practice. Our thoughts remain with White's family during this tragic time.  

SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter 

Sep 24, 2020, 1:56 PM ET

 
Patriots RB James White (personal) is out for Week 3 against the Raiders. 

It's unclear when White will return to the team after his father died in a car accident last weekend. His mother was in critical condition after the accident. With White out last week, Rex Burkhead played 71 percent of the team's offensive snaps and saw six targets. He'll be a desperation flex option against the Raiders this week. 

RELATED: 

Rex Burkhead

SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter 

Sep 25, 2020, 4:06 PM ET

 
White is back at practice.

impatient owner dropped him.
 

Finish these sentences for PPR redraft leagues:

James White is __________ valuable than Duke Johnson.

James White is __________ valuable than Darrynton Evans. 
 

 
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James White rushed three times for 21 yards, hauling in 7-of-8 targets for 38 yards in New England's Week 4 loss to the Chiefs.

It was White's first game back since enduring his horrific loss at home. He was immediately thrust onto the field for a backfield-high eight targets and three carries behind both Damien Harris (17/100) and Rex Burkhead (11/45). Even with Sony Michel (quad, IR) sidelined for the foreseeable future, this backfield is a muddy one for fantasy purposes. Fortunately White's role in the receiving game is one that can be projected with ease weekly. His floor remains the most coveted among New England's surrounding options on the ground.

Oct 5, 2020, 11:28 PM ET
 
I heard them say that during the game.  Man that sucks.

I don’t have White this year but I had him two years ago for that one awesome season and following his news all season learned just how much of a great person he is.  

Family man, involved in the community, and a legitimate team player, doesn’t just say the right things like all Patriots do he legit feels that way.  It’s never about him it’s about his teammates.
 

I have a lot of respect for him and my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.

 
James White caught 8-of-9 targets for 65 yards in Week 6 against the Broncos.

White was the Patriots' leading receiving, out-targeting Julian Edelman (6) and N'Keal Harry (2). Cam Newton struggled to move the offense in his first game back, leaving White to rack up checkdowns. White now has 10-plus touches the last two weeks. He'll be a low-end FLEX for the Patriots' Week 7 matchup with the 49ers.

Oct 18, 2020, 4:36 PM ET

 
Patriots RB James White (undisclosed) did not practice Thursday. 

White's absence is not injury related. If White misses Friday's practice, fantasy managers should make alternate plans at the flex spot. Leading the Patriots in targets over the past two weeks, White makes for an OK option in PPR leagues this week against the 49ers. 

SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter 

Oct 22, 2020, 1:01 PM ET

 
James White caught his only target for three yards in the Patriots' Week 7 loss to the 49ers. 

White, who had led the team in targets of his past two games, wasn't involved in the game plan against the Niners. Hardly anyone is worth starting in the Patriots offense, including White, who can't be trusted anymore to absorb targets out of the New England backfield. He should remain benched next week against the Bills.

- Rotoworld

 
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James White rushed two times for zero yards and caught 4-of-5 targets for 24 yards in the Patriots' Week 9 win over the Jets.

White fumbled on a fourth down play call in the first half, failing to get to the sticks, and was put on moth balls most of the rest of the night before catching a couple passes on the final drive to help set up the game-winning 51-yard field goal. White has next to no fantasy value in this current Patriots offense.

Nov 9, 2020, 11:41 PM ET

 
I cut bait today. He was a great break-glass-in-case-of-emergency RB to own in dynasty and had a few stretches where he put up big numbers during Brady's stronger offensive years. Without Brady and at 28 years old I don't think he'll do much more than the occasional 50 yards receiving and a random TD type game, and those will be few and far between for the rest of his career.

 
Ive been really disappointed in his targets.  With this being Newtown's first year in the offense I was expecting his targets to be much higher and provide good redraft value.

:sadbanana:

 

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