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RB Javonte Williams, DAL (1 Viewer)

That freaking pumped me up. Gordon hasn't played much this preseason and will be the starter, but if you ever doubted that the coaches will trust Williams to be on the field on third down, doubt no more. 

eta* When he cleans the guy out, look how much room Teddy has to step up in the pocket and find Jeudy. That play was all Williams's blitz pickup. It let Jeudy run a long cross and Bridgewater was able to take three shuffles up in the pocket. That's some blocking right there. 

 
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That freaking pumped me up. Gordon hasn't played much this preseason and will be the starter, but if you ever doubted that the coaches will trust Williams to be on the field on third down, doubt no more. 
I just read he (Gordon) has been nursing a mild groin injury.  From what I read it didn't sound serious, but it's certainly opening the door for JaWill to show what he can do. 

 
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I just read he (Gordon) has been nursing a mild groin injury.  From what I read it didn't sound serious, but it's certainly opening the door for JaWill to show what he can do. 


Actually ended up with Gordon because he slipped so far in a keep 4 draft this weekend I had to take a chance, but this really feels like a committee Williams is going to lead to me.

 
Actually ended up with Gordon because he slipped so far in a keep 4 draft this weekend I had to take a chance, but this really feels like a committee Williams is going to lead to me.


I don't disagree. I do think it will be more of a committee than JaWill owners want to see. 

I wouldn't mind having a share of either of them in redraft, depending on my need & expectations. As a RB4-5/BYE week dart throw, Gordon should be solid all year. 

JaWill will need to deliver at least weekly flex value to justify his ADP. 

There's risk/reward there though. I still think he's slightly overdrafted in redraft. I love him in dynasty though. 

 
I don't disagree. I do think it will be more of a committee than JaWill owners want to see. 

I wouldn't mind having a share of either of them in redraft, depending on my need & expectations. As a RB4-5/BYE week dart throw, Gordon should be solid all year. 

JaWill will need to deliver at least weekly flex value to justify his ADP. 

There's risk/reward there though. I still think he's slightly overdrafted in redraft. I love him in dynasty though. 
Yep

 
I don't disagree. I do think it will be more of a committee than JaWill owners want to see. 

I wouldn't mind having a share of either of them in redraft, depending on my need & expectations. As a RB4-5/BYE week dart throw, Gordon should be solid all year. 

JaWill will need to deliver at least weekly flex value to justify his ADP. 

There's risk/reward there though. I still think he's slightly overdrafted in redraft. I love him in dynasty though. 
Interesting. I actually think he's (still) underdrafted.  It will almost surely be a committee to start but there should be a lot to go around and Boone is out.  This defense is going to be really good and I think they want to win by controlling the ball and playing great D.  Looking at their schedule, it's possible they're forced into shootouts against the Chiefs x2 and Chargers x2 and possibly the Rams and Cowboys.  But I think Williams should positive game scripts in these games:

Giants

Jets

Ravens

Jaguars

Steelers

Raiders x2

WFT

Lions

Bengals (this could go either way)

It's obviously hard to know how these things will play out but my point is that I think they'll run early and often.  Gordon isn't going anywhere but he's already been banged up and I don't think he's an insurmountable hurdle, by any stretch.  When you add up talented rookie rb the team traded up for and seems ahead of the curve + strong defense + conservative coaching staff + solid schedule, you get a player with SOTD potential, in my opinion.  I think the path is clearer than it is for Etienne and Sermon.

 
I have the 4th pick in a contract keeper league and will have my choice of rookies from Javonte, ETN, Chase or Pitts and then vets like Carson, Mike Evans and Robert Woods. I'm really thinking of grabbing Javonte in this format. Contract keeper likely means having this player for the next 3-4 years. Anyone want to take me into anyone specific from this list?

 
Interesting. I actually think he's (still) underdrafted.  It will almost surely be a committee to start but there should be a lot to go around and Boone is out.  This defense is going to be really good and I think they want to win by controlling the ball and playing great D.  Looking at their schedule, it's possible they're forced into shootouts against the Chiefs x2 and Chargers x2 and possibly the Rams and Cowboys.  But I think Williams should positive game scripts in these games:

Giants

Jets

Ravens

Jaguars

Steelers

Raiders x2

WFT

Lions

Bengals (this could go either way)

It's obviously hard to know how these things will play out but my point is that I think they'll run early and often.  Gordon isn't going anywhere but he's already been banged up and I don't think he's an insurmountable hurdle, by any stretch.  When you add up talented rookie rb the team traded up for and seems ahead of the curve + strong defense + conservative coaching staff + solid schedule, you get a player with SOTD potential, in my opinion.  I think the path is clearer than it is for Etienne and Sermon.
I don’t think Gordon is an insurmountable hurdle either. I just think he significantly caps JaWill’s upside. And if he manages to stay healthy, will do so all year. 

That, IMO, would make it less likely that JaWill is the SOD for anyone, fantasy-wise. 

that said, a Gordon injury could make him a potential league winner. 

 
I don’t think Gordon is an insurmountable hurdle either. I just think he significantly caps JaWill’s upside. And if he manages to stay healthy, will do so all year. 

That, IMO, would make it less likely that JaWill is the SOD for anyone, fantasy-wise. 

that said, a Gordon injury could make him a potential league winner. 
Right, I think we're saying the same thing.  I think he has a couple of paths: 1) Gordon gets hurt, 2) Gordon gets completely outplayed and largely marginalized to the tune of an 80/20 split and 3) they run so much that it's a 60/40 split in Javonte's favor but there's still a lot to go around. Of course, it's also possible that Gordon is good, stays healthy and they split very evenly (or even 60/40 Gordon). But I think that's largely baked into Javonte's ADP right now.   It's just much easier for me to see his path to hitting his ceiling than it is for Etienne, Sermon, and Carter right now.

 
I have the 4th pick in a contract keeper league and will have my choice of rookies from Javonte, ETN, Chase or Pitts and then vets like Carson, Mike Evans and Robert Woods. I'm really thinking of grabbing Javonte in this format. Contract keeper likely means having this player for the next 3-4 years. Anyone want to take me into anyone specific from this list?
I'd probably take Chase or Pitts if it is PPR as long as you have to start a TE. I agree with notion that Javonte's value is probably in the next couple of years whereas I would expect longer duration from the other too.

 
Right, I think we're saying the same thing.  I think he has a couple of paths: 1) Gordon gets hurt, 2) Gordon gets completely outplayed and largely marginalized to the tune of an 80/20 split and 3) they run so much that it's a 60/40 split in Javonte's favor but there's still a lot to go around. Of course, it's also possible that Gordon is good, stays healthy and they split very evenly (or even 60/40 Gordon). But I think that's largely baked into Javonte's ADP right now.   It's just much easier for me to see his path to hitting his ceiling than it is for Etienne, Sermon, and Carter right now.
Ok yeah - we definitely agree, especially on the last sentence. 

 
I don’t think Gordon is an insurmountable hurdle either. I just think he significantly caps JaWill’s upside. And if he manages to stay healthy, will do so all year. 

That, IMO, would make it less likely that JaWill is the SOD for anyone, fantasy-wise. 

that said, a Gordon injury could make him a potential league winner. 
Gordon has a history of fumbling in the redzone too.   That could also help Javonte…..if those issues continue…..

 
 It's just much easier for me to see his path to hitting his ceiling than it is for Etienne, Sermon, and Carter right now.


Disagree on Sermon...but that's for another thread.


Agreed. I think it is much easier to see Sermon just winning the job outright because he is much more talented than his surrounding players. Without injury, I expect Gordon to still get a very large share of work. He has clearly lost a step though and Javonte should get the high leverage touches. 

 
I have the 4th pick in a contract keeper league and will have my choice of rookies from Javonte, ETN, Chase or Pitts and then vets like Carson, Mike Evans and Robert Woods. I'm really thinking of grabbing Javonte in this format. Contract keeper likely means having this player for the next 3-4 years. Anyone want to take me into anyone specific from this list?
Kinda the same boat here... I'm torn on ET or Javonte in my dynasty draft this week. 

If you can trade back, might be the best option for you.

 
I have the 4th pick in a contract keeper league and will have my choice of rookies from Javonte, ETN, Chase or Pitts and then vets like Carson, Mike Evans and Robert Woods. I'm really thinking of grabbing Javonte in this format. Contract keeper likely means having this player for the next 3-4 years. Anyone want to take me into anyone specific from this list?
I’d go with Pitts personally - position scarcity and longevity.

But back to our regularly scheduled Javonte programming.

 
Agreed. I think it is much easier to see Sermon just winning the job outright because he is much more talented than his surrounding players. Without injury, I expect Gordon to still get a very large share of work. He has clearly lost a step though and Javonte should get the high leverage touches. 
We see this one differently. I think Shanahan, like Belichick and other coaches, wants to use some version of RBBC. If Mostert goes down, I don't think Sermon takes over the backfield (as Javonte would with a Gordon injury). i think some combination of Gallman (who was quietly solid last year), Hasty, Wilson (back this year) and even Mitchell would be used as complements to Sermon.  Very hard for me to see Sermon getting more than 175-200 carries and he also has to contend with the likely possibility of a QB who will vulture a share of GL touches. It's an environment for real football success but not for a fantasy smash, in my opinion.

 
He just fell to me in my rookie/dynasty draft at 1.06 and I am giddy.  Much better than having to choose between T-Law, Sermon, and Lance.  

 
He just fell to me in my rookie/dynasty draft at 1.06 and I am giddy.  Much better than having to choose between T-Law, Sermon, and Lance.  
1.6 is exactly where I picked Williams and was giddy as well that someone took Devonte Smith right before my pick. Phew. 

 
Etienne injury puts Javonte squarely in the 1.02 spot for me in the rookie draft (Need an RB badly).  CONSIDERING Pitts but it's only a 0.5 PPR.

 
haven't waivered on where I rank him in rookie drafts, probably 1.01  ahead of Najeeh Harris - if you haven't noticed, Denver's offense has been on FIRE in preseason. Thats not a mirage. I like Harris , but because of Williams' blocking ability and production when given the ball so far, this should continue and blossom early on, the Broncos play some dog-meat defenses in the first few weeks of the season.

I'm just not sure Gordon has anything left in the tank, he just seems older than he really is, and his mediocre career ypc avg puts him at a disadvantage. Remember when Clinton Portis looked good in preseason and they kind of slow rolled him the first few weeks, then put him in as the starter and he went nuts rushing for 1500 yards? I kind of have the same feeling here with Williams, only he might just be named the starter for opening day,  and never look back. I'm pretty convinced we can summarily dismiss anything that Gordon brings to the table this season. 

 
haven't waivered on where I rank him in rookie drafts, probably 1.01  ahead of Najeeh Harris - if you haven't noticed, Denver's offense has been on FIRE in preseason. Thats not a mirage. I like Harris , but because of Williams' blocking ability and production when given the ball so far, this should continue and blossom early on, the Broncos play some dog-meat defenses in the first few weeks of the season.

I'm just not sure Gordon has anything left in the tank, he just seems older than he really is, and his mediocre career ypc avg puts him at a disadvantage. Remember when Clinton Portis looked good in preseason and they kind of slow rolled him the first few weeks, then put him in as the starter and he went nuts rushing for 1500 yards? I kind of have the same feeling here with Williams, only he might just be named the starter for opening day,  and never look back. I'm pretty convinced we can summarily dismiss anything that Gordon brings to the table this season. 
While I agree with a lot of what you said, the "Denver's offense on fire" is a bit misleading.  Denver has been playing most of their starters this preseason, and facing the 2nd and 3rd defensive units of their opponents. 

 
While I agree with a lot of what you said, the "Denver's offense on fire" is a bit misleading.  Denver has been playing most of their starters this preseason, and facing the 2nd and 3rd defensive units of their opponents. 


Yeah preseason was already a relatively poor predictor of regular season success, but it's even less so now.  With the new schedule about half the teams have decided to just play the preseason like normal, let their starters play a quarter or two, etc.  Meanwhile the other half of the league have decided to completely punt on the idea of playing starters at all in the preseason and instead are using the joint practices as the "preseason" for their starters while using the actual preseason games 100% for playing backups and determining who is going to make the team.

The Broncos preseason schedule is the Vikings, Seahawks, and Rams all 3 of which are teams who have decided to go the latter route and aren't playing their starters at all.

ETA: That is just a general observation and separate to my thoughts on Williams.  I am very high on Williams and own tons of shares in dynasty.

 
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Denver has been scoring and moving the ball with ease. yeah it's against 2nd stringers but they look like they've turned the corner , that this offense is going to take a step forward. Clinton Portis did damage against 2s and 3s as well, didn't seem to affect him , he went nuts his rookie season. If J. Williams was NOT performing well against 2s and 3s, I'd be worried. Broncos sat JW for game 3.That speaks volumes to be about what they plan to do with him.

Conversely, Jags have looked ho-hum against 2nd/3rd stringers, and this past weekend they looked all-world against 1st string defenders. T. Lawrence is the Real Deal. 

Jets have looked really good so far - that should continue 

Teams that look good in preseason, in general, look good when the real games come along. 

Detroit and Atl have looked terrible, and that's likely a good indication of what to expect from them in real games. same with NYG.

Teams on the upswing from what I've seen so far:

Jets, Broncos, Jags, Patriots, Niners, Steelers, WFT, Dolphins.

downswing:

Lions, Falcons, Giants, Chargers seem 'off' , Bengals

I'd be surprised if this doesn't play out like this in the regular season.

Who is the #1 QB in 2022 draft? we official have begun the NYG 'Suck for _ _ _ _ _ '  campaign. 🙂

 
With RBs dropping like flies I'm glad he didn't play.  He's going to get a lot of play early.  Gordon will factor in, but probably not for long.
Give us some of those Mel Gordon box scores the 2nd half of the season...to act like Williams will relegate him to the bench, if it's that bad they'll trade him to some RB starved team for a 7th or whatever. 

Who is the QB in Denver? When did Denver become a powerhouse for running the ball this year? I heard rumors about Rodgers, Watson, many names but it looks like Teddy B is running things, I'd CYE here but good luck to you. 

 
Give us some of those Mel Gordon box scores the 2nd half of the season...to act like Williams will relegate him to the bench, if it's that bad they'll trade him to some RB starved team for a 7th or whatever. 

Who is the QB in Denver? When did Denver become a powerhouse for running the ball this year? I heard rumors about Rodgers, Watson, many names but it looks like Teddy B is running things, I'd CYE here but good luck to you. 
Williams looks great and is the shiny new toy, but this is the most pragmatic perspective.  People act like Gordon is a bum when he was the RB13 last year on a middling to often times terrible offense.  

 
Williams looks great and is the shiny new toy, but this is the most pragmatic perspective.  People act like Gordon is a bum when he was the RB13 last year on a middling to often times terrible offense.  
This is where statistics kind of lie. He had two 100yd+ rushing games and his max receiving total was 23 yards with one receiving TD.

Maybe he's not a bum, but he's not a guy you can trust much.

 
I sure hope the Sharks have been right about JaWill - I got an IDP-value pick with him at 7.01 (like the 6th in non-IDP) - he's my 4th RB behind CMC, Mixon, Henderson but the 4th RB can make or break a season with BYEs/injuries. 

That, and the Gordon guy who drafted him a full round later has been busting my chops about how I "drafted the backup" for 2 days since the draft & I'd really like to shut him up. 

 
I mean can we really trust Gordon and his 4 yards/carry career average to continue. again and again? Clearly Denver is looking to move on from this guy. He was average in SD, and he's average in Denver. Talent wins out, J. Williams will show him the door by halftime of the first game against the Giants. 

Denver hasn't suddenly become a powerhouse team, but they're going to be better. but where the rubber meets the road is this:

Denver plays the easiest first 3 games of the season - Giants, Jags, Jets

easiest fantasy playoff schedule:

Lions, Bengals, Raiders, Chargers, and chiefs woefully inadequate rush defense in week 17, when they might be sitting their starters.

can you ask for a better schedule for fantasy playoffs???

this is the REAL reason to take Williams !

 
I mean can we really trust Gordon and his 4 yards/carry career average to continue. again and again? Clearly Denver is looking to move on from this guy. He was average in SD, and he's average in Denver. Talent wins out, J. Williams will show him the door by halftime of the first game against the Giants. 

Denver hasn't suddenly become a powerhouse team, but they're going to be better. but where the rubber meets the road is this:

Denver plays the easiest first 3 games of the season - Giants, Jags, Jets

easiest fantasy playoff schedule:

Lions, Bengals, Raiders, Chargers, and chiefs woefully inadequate rush defense in week 17, when they might be sitting their starters.

can you ask for a better schedule for fantasy playoffs???

this is the REAL reason to take Williams !


 All good points.

One reason I'm targeting him in every draft.  In fact, if someone wanted to snag Javonte Williams and Melvin Gordon with his next pick, I don't know that I could fault that either.  Worst case, Gordon is used heavily but MEH :wall: and best case Williams explodes and takes over, OR you have a bankable RB if one of the two happens to get injured.

Their opening schedule is another reason I'm looking to acquire their defense to try and start off fast with a few wins, as I just mentioned in the DEF thread.

 TZM

 
Denver has been scoring and moving the ball with ease. yeah it's against 2nd stringers but they look like they've turned the corner , that this offense is going to take a step forward. Clinton Portis did damage against 2s and 3s as well, didn't seem to affect him , he went nuts his rookie season. If J. Williams was NOT performing well against 2s and 3s, I'd be worried. Broncos sat JW for game 3.That speaks volumes to be about what they plan to do with him.

Conversely, Jags have looked ho-hum against 2nd/3rd stringers, and this past weekend they looked all-world against 1st string defenders. T. Lawrence is the Real Deal. 

Jets have looked really good so far - that should continue 

Teams that look good in preseason, in general, look good when the real games come along. 

Detroit and Atl have looked terrible, and that's likely a good indication of what to expect from them in real games. same with NYG.

Teams on the upswing from what I've seen so far:

Jets, Broncos, Jags, Patriots, Niners, Steelers, WFT, Dolphins.

downswing:

Lions, Falcons, Giants, Chargers seem 'off' , Bengals

I'd be surprised if this doesn't play out like this in the regular season.

Who is the #1 QB in 2022 draft? we official have begun the NYG 'Suck for _ _ _ _ _ '  campaign. 🙂


You might be right on some of this, but in general this post screams preseason over-reaction. In fairness, I've done exactly that many times, myself. I've just learned after many years to slow my roll when it comes to these PS games. They always were, but are now more than ever, glorified scrimmages. The coaches and the key players half-### them. The fringe guys are the only ones worth assessing IMO, and even then, with a grain of salt.

 
@JohnnyU 

I wanted to credit him for a lot of posts in this thread and despite sending a snarky post of sorts my 1st toe tap in here, I started reading thru the posts more and while I liked Williams, I didn't see him as a fit for my team but I am going to share when and why i drafted him for my newest team. 

-I went with a proven RB in the middle of the 1st,  we do a 6th Rd potential keeper pick most years and I decided to focus on WR/TE as the draft unfolded and waited until the 5th round to start putting together an RB2 committee which many try and do.  AJB-Godwin-Kupp-Kittle at WR1-2-3-TE so don't feel too bad for me 😂

I took Williams last night at the 5.06 which is high but I feel like by the middle of the season he should be established in this offense and I want to have a hot team going into the playoffs. I had many opps to get Gordon after I took Williams...I've owned Gordon a couple times and he never really made me feel terrific so I decided to not grab Both and gamble some knowing Gordon is going to be a factor there is no doubt going into the season. 

I took Trey Sermon and Kenyan Drake to run behind Williams and I know that would NOT be comforting to some but I like the 2 rookies and feel like one of them is going to see the light of day this year. Drake will factor in more in LV than many seem to understand. I passed on Mostert as well, got Drake in about the 11th round, seemed like a steal to me, don't see Jacobs getting all the touches there again. 

🚂   I'm on the JW Train, let's get er rolling and I'll take a window seat before this train fills up 🚂

 
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Broncos' newly elected season captains ready to lead Denver forward

Excerpt:

'HE'S EARNED THAT TRUST'

Javonte Williams is just a rookie, but Fangio said the coaching staff has faith in the second-round pick at any moment.

"He's earned that trust, and we're not at all against playing him in any situation, in any time of the game," Fangio said.

Fangio noted that it varies "from person to person" whether a rookie can earn that kind of trust and role, and he invoked a recently enshrined Hall of Famer as an example.

"I've been around them that can do that," Fangio said. "I remember being around Edgerrin James when he was a rookie. He was lights out right from Day 1."

 
Drafted WILLIAMS AND GORDON in 2 of my 3 redraft leagues.

Wanted Williams everywhere but got sniped in my other.

Have at least 1 more draft tomorrow night, and I'll be targeting him there too.

 Like BB said above.    LFG

TZM

 
Javonte Williams rushed 14 times for 45 yards in Week 1 against the Giants.

Williams rotated in behind Melvin Gordon, who had a 70-yard touchdown. The Broncos used an even timeshare, with Williams and Gordon both getting 50% of snaps. Williams finished with more carries than Gordon, though a good amount of that came in the fourth quarter with Denver running the clock. Williams should remain the Broncos' 1B back in Week 2 against Jacksonville.

 
I really want to start him this week. I have Gordon too, and almost certainly one of them is going in my flex. 

One of them is going bonkers this week, maybe both. I just have a feeling it's going to be Javonte. Either way, he got 15 touches in his first game. If he does that against JAX, it's likely to be a solid flex play, at minimum. 

It just seems like they're going to destroy the Jags, so I could see the team getting Javonte a few more reps to salt the game away, and to get him going.

Fangio has two very talented RBs that they need to be very productive all year, especially with Jeudy out.  This seems like a great chance to give the rookie a boost and get both players excited about the season long timeshare. 

But I think we might be looking at a 2TD each sort of game. Reasonable people would start both Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, and I think the Broncos RB's enter that conversation this week. 

 
I really want to start him this week. I have Gordon too, and almost certainly one of them is going in my flex. 

One of them is going bonkers this week, maybe both. I just have a feeling it's going to be Javonte. Either way, he got 15 touches in his first game. If he does that against JAX, it's likely to be a solid flex play, at minimum. 

It just seems like they're going to destroy the Jags, so I could see the team getting Javonte a few more reps to salt the game away, and to get him going.

Fangio has two very talented RBs that they need to be very productive all year, especially with Jeudy out.  This seems like a great chance to give the rookie a boost and get both players excited about the season long timeshare. 

But I think we might be looking at a 2TD each sort of game. Reasonable people would start both Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, and I think the Broncos RB's enter that conversation this week. 
It all depends, who are you playing over Javonte? 

 
Loving him as my RB4. :wub:  

Eager to see how he looks down the stretch. My hope is that Denver somehow hangs with KC, OAK & The Sandy Eggo Superchargers.

 
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I really want to start him this week. I have Gordon too, and almost certainly one of them is going in my flex. 

One of them is going bonkers this week, maybe both. I just have a feeling it's going to be Javonte. Either way, he got 15 touches in his first game. If he does that against JAX, it's likely to be a solid flex play, at minimum. 

It just seems like they're going to destroy the Jags, so I could see the team getting Javonte a few more reps to salt the game away, and to get him going.

Fangio has two very talented RBs that they need to be very productive all year, especially with Jeudy out.  This seems like a great chance to give the rookie a boost and get both players excited about the season long timeshare. 

But I think we might be looking at a 2TD each sort of game. Reasonable people would start both Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, and I think the Broncos RB's enter that conversation this week. 
Maybe, but Denver isn't Cleveland offensively, at least not yet. 

I'd view both Gordon and Williams as 2 Kareem Hunts at this point. Neither is the sure thing Chubb is. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Loving him as my RB4. :wub:  

Eager to see how he looks down the stretch. My hope is that Denver somehow hangs with KC, OAK & The Sandy Eggo Superchargers.
Feeling the same about him as my RB4 as well.

I'd argue Denver is better than the Chargers or the Raiders as a football team, so somehow hanging with them shouldn't be a problem. This is the best defense in the NFL in my opinion, that just needed a competent QB so they weren't on the field 2/3rds of the game.

 
Feeling the same about him as my RB4 as well.

I'd argue Denver is better than the Chargers or the Raiders as a football team, so somehow hanging with them shouldn't be a problem. This is the best defense in the NFL in my opinion, that just needed a competent QB so they weren't on the field 2/3rds of the game.


I posted all 4 so as not to offend any of the other's fans. We all have our opinions on the rankings of these 4 teams, but in the Javonte topic we can all just get along. ;)  

 

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