RB Javonte Williams, DAL (1 Viewer)

[candian fantasy guy]

You should find a better source of ADP, FF calculator is no longer a good source or even a good place to mock.

I’m in on Gordon as a later pick on teams that I started with a hero RB type of start. Just did it last night at 10.04 pick. Williams went @ 2.03 right before my pick. J Will was not in my queue at that point. I went M Andrews instead as it’s a TE premium league.

I moved back to MFL (12 team, PPR, redraft, recent real drafts only). Javonte is RB13, I personally have him as RB14 but am flip flopping him with A.Jones & Fournette regularly.

FF Calc was because of a discussion in another thread. You're killing my rep @Deamon !!!

So far in 10 redraft leagues, I have 0 Williams. I think it’s mostly due to the fact that I have not yet had a spot in top 5 of a draft. So he never really is on my radar so early in the 2nd, although he is for many others.

I have Jones ahead of him in PPR, I’m not sure I would take Fournette ahead of him.

 

[Chaka]

I have Jones ahead of him in PPR, I’m not sure I would take Fournette ahead of him.

Fournette is such an interesting case. RB5 last year (PPG), top scoring offense, probably not much competition, three-down back and goal line work, draft and production pedigree etc.

BUT always misses time, literally every single year, he doesn't really seem to be a high motor guy outside of game day, questionable conditioning (although he seemed fine when TC opened because he was not on the PUP) and he's just hitting the window where some guys break down and with his injury history he has me more concerned than many other guys in his peer group.

If I'm on the clock with Javonte and Fournette in front of me I am pretty sure I will take Javonte. But on paper two weeks before my draft I take Fournette.

 

[Chaka]

Aaron Jones is a tougher call. Weeks 2-8 (7 games) he was getting 19 opportunities/game.

Weeks 9-17 (he played 7 games) he was down to 13. Dillon.went from ~10.5 to 16 opportunities/game in those periods. Clearly the injury (was it ankle?) got to him so my question is, does the timeshare continue with both healthy?

I think yes and I also think the Pack will see a modest drop in scoring output dropping from 26.5ppg to maybe 23ppg.

Is that enough to move the needle in favor of Javonte? Possibly.

I also know myself as a drafter and I like the shiny new RB as much as the next guy, maybe more, so it is very possible, likely even, that if my choice is Javonte or Jones that I take Javonte.

Part of the reason I am arguing temperance for Javonte in here is to reinforce for myself to be mindful when making these choices.

 

[Deamon]

Gordon was in the market, he was better than Javonte on the field last season

You keep repeating this.

Maybe we watched very different versions of last season - is there really a multi-verse?

Maybe. I called Melvin "marginally better" and referred to them them as "virtually interchangeable" last season, which they were, and I have repeatedly conceded that Javonte is the 1A in this situation.

Where is the flaw in RB14 for Javonte?

The point about Melvin's performance vis-a-vis Javonte's is that Melvin isn't washed up.

4.5 ypc to 4.4 ypc.
7.6 your to 7.3 ypr
10 TDs to 7TDs

Not wanting to pay veteran RBs a ton of money isn't a shocker and doesn't move the needle for me. Gordon knows the drill, we all do. My guess is he was waiting from an offer from a potential contender and, if necessary, was content to wait until a camp injury. Gordon resigned 6 days after the Wilson trade so I am guessing there was a standing offer from Denver. That a new coaching staff decided to go with an old regime player is also interesting.

It's Javonte's job but if he hits a 60% share (yadda-yadda-injury) it will be a surprise.

Man, you're really digging in on the Anti-Javonte stuff. I think you're a great poster and probably a great guy, but between saying you "almost guarantee (and rightfully so) that Hines won't be drafted in your 16 round redraft", saying it will be "A surprise if Javonte hits a 60% share this year", and saying it's smart to take Barkley at 10 instead of waiting for him to fall to 14, it makes me really wonder if you actually believe this stuff or are just saying it to troll everyone lol. Or if you aren't really that into fantasy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think you know I am a fan of yours so I'm okay with saying that you're better than this and I assume you know that I am too.

I stand by everything I said and I don’t believe I said anything insulting so if you took it that way it’s on you.
I don’t feel the need to explain my point any further since we aren’t really making any progress here - you seem set with a very minority opinion than Gordon is just as good as Williams at his age. I don’t see it, but it’s ok if you do.

 

[Chaka]

Man, you're really digging in on the Anti-Javonte stuff.

Anti-Javonte? Where does this come from? I have literally, and repeatedly stated that he is 1A in Denver and that I value him at ADP and would probably take him over Fournette and A.Jones.

Answer this question: Javonte is RB#???

 

[Deamon]

Man, you're really digging in on the Anti-Javonte stuff.

Anti-Javonte? Where does this come from? I have literally, and repeatedly stated that he is 1A in Denver and that I value him at ADP and would probably take him over Fournette and A.Jones.

Answer this question: Javonte is RB#???

You said his RB14 was with the assumption that Gordon misses time.
Javonte for me is RB13, with the highest upside of almost anyone in the draft. Potential top 5. 60/40 split at minimum. Hopefully you will be humbled on your draft day when Hines 100% gets drafted and Barkley is 100% there at pick 14. I think you're just coming off as a little too 'know it all' when you suggest things that are EXTREMELY unlikely, are pretty much certain.

 

[Chaka]

I think you're a great poster and probably a great guy, but between saying you "almost guarantee (and rightfully so) that Hines won't be drafted in your 16 round redraft", saying it will be "A surprise if Javonte hits a 60% share this year", and saying it's smart to take Barkley at 10 instead of waiting for him to fall to 14, it makes me really wonder if you actually believe this stuff or are just saying it to troll everyone lol. Or if you aren't really that into fantasy.

I am a great poster and a Saint among men.

I am a very serious player but only play in one league, by choice, it's a 12 team super-flex, PPR, WR/TE combined, start QRRWWKDFF, 7 bench spots. That is my primary perspective but I work hard to try and understand other perspectives.

I followed up my Hines comment by saying I hadn't actually checked our previous drafts and that he was, in fact drafted in 2019 & 2021 (we skipped 2020) around round 13 and he was a "break glass in case of emergency" performer who, deservedly rarely saw the field. I may consider him that late stage of the draft but he's fungible with a ton of other upside guys in that part of the draft.

60% share is roughly 270 carries in that offense. Throw in 30-40 receptions and I would bump Javonte up my board. It may happen but there are a lot of well reasoned arguments for pumping the brakes on that notion.

You're a great poster too but sometimes I think you are far too locked into ADP to the point that you ignore the "A" in ADP. Barkley has tons of upside to outperform his ADP. Matt Breida is the only other RB of consequence on the roster. Barkley, at the very least, is going to be a volume monster. 300+ touches are a mortal lock (yadda-yadda-injury). It's a mediocre team, at best, but Barkley is that offense. If we can bump Javonte for upside, why not Barkley? If I'm drafting at the turn and I value Barkley at RB9 what difference does it make if he may be there 3-4 spots later? He won't be there at pick 24-25.

Not trolling at all. I often debate points from positions that may not be my primary stance. It helps me define a more complete perspective for myself. Whether or not it has value to you isn't for me to decide.

 

[Chaka]

Man, you're really digging in on the Anti-Javonte stuff.

Anti-Javonte? Where does this come from? I have literally, and repeatedly stated that he is 1A in Denver and that I value him at ADP and would probably take him over Fournette and A.Jones.

Answer this question: Javonte is RB#???

You said his RB14 was with the assumption that Gordon misses time.
Javonte for me is RB13, with the highest upside of almost anyone in the draft. Potential top 5. 60/40 split at minimum. Hopefully you will be humbled on your draft day when Hines 100% gets drafted and Barkley is 100% there at pick 14. I think you're just coming off as a little too 'know it all' when you suggest things that are EXTREMELY unlikely, are pretty much certain.

I have consistently said Gordon is a big concern AND I value Javonte at RB14 because, despite Gordon, he has as much "guaranteed" production with far more upside as any RB behind him.

Realistically the only difference between our positions is, for me it's the options behind Javonte that drive my ranking as much, if not more than his upside.

A 60% share would bump him up to around RB10 in my book. I'm just not prepared to bank that...yet.

 

[HippieJuice]

I'm torn on Javonte. Last year with a couple big games while Gordon was out he had 203 rushes 903 years and 43/316 w/ 7 TD's. Obviously health is a concern for any players but if Gordon stays healthy where do you have Javonte this year? I think the catches stay about the same and carries 13 carries a game is 221. That nets him a 100 additional yards maybe. In redraft this is 12 to 14 range. Him and Barkley both have huge upside, it's a matter of who gets the opportunity. Barkley has no one in his path to take carries though.

 

[Hartliner]

I'm pretty solidly in the Javonte 1A 60% and a good pick in Rd 2.
Melvin Gordon's quote sealed the deal and reminded me of this Simpson's clip. Sometimes you just got to go with your gut and that talent will win out. I think its Jonathan Taylor esq jump from 2020 to 2021 all over again.

 

[barackdhouse]

Gonna add another layer to this discussion:

The AFC West* is superfly TNT fantasy gold. Russell Wilson is going to finally cook and has arguably better overall weapons** than he did in Seattle. The TD upside with Javonte is very high and I think that gets left out of his evaluations here and elsewhere. Or maybe I've missed it but for me a big part of his upside is not just in regards to the split with Gordon but rather the question of just how good this offense can be. They are going to have to put up a lot of points to compete, and there really isn't any reason in my mind to think they won't.

*I wish Tyreek had stayed

**I'd put Metcalf and Lockett over Sutton and Jeudy (but not by a lot) but I like Javonte better than Penny or Carson and I like Albert O dramatically more than anything the Seahawks ran out there at TE, especially the ghost of Jimmy Graham. And I like the presumptive offensive philosophy (i.e. "Let Russ Cook") that is going to exist in Denver that didn't in Seattle.

 

[barackdhouse]

TLDR Denver offense

 

[Chaka]

Or maybe I've missed it but for me a big part of his upside is not just in regards to the split with Gordon but rather the question of just how good this offense can be. They are going to have to put up a lot of points to compete, and there really isn't any reason in my mind to think they won't.

The X-factor here is how much will the offense improve and how will the new distribution look?

We all agree that the offense should be significantly better but using GB as a comparison, which is fair considering how similar these teams look, I think the bulk of "new" offense will come in the passing game.

Green Bay ran the ball 446 times last season (17th) to Denver's 455 (14th) but GB had 593 pass attempts (15th) to Denver's 541 (24th).

Do we think Denver is going to morph into a 490-500+ rushing attempt team? Highly unlikely. The list of teams that ran the ball more than Denver includes three QBs that could be considered on par with Wilson. Buffalo (461), Dallas (473) & Arizona (496) the others were average to bad at the QB position.

Considering their receiving weapons it seems that Denver is more likely to become the Rocky Mountain Pack and finish somewhere around 590 pass attempts & 450 rushing attempts.

If everyone stays healthy that means, what? Maybe 280 touches for Javonte?

The real meat on this turkey is scoring. Denver ranked 23rd last season with 19.7 ppg. If they can jump into the top 10, and they have the talent to do that, it puts them in the 26.5 ppg territory. Coincidentally that is where GB finished last season.

How many of those 6.8 ppg fall Javonte's way will tell the true story of his season.

 

[Deamon]

Man, you're really digging in on the Anti-Javonte stuff.

Anti-Javonte? Where does this come from? I have literally, and repeatedly stated that he is 1A in Denver and that I value him at ADP and would probably take him over Fournette and A.Jones.

Answer this question: Javonte is RB#???

You said his RB14 was with the assumption that Gordon misses time.
Javonte for me is RB13, with the highest upside of almost anyone in the draft. Potential top 5. 60/40 split at minimum. Hopefully you will be humbled on your draft day when Hines 100% gets drafted and Barkley is 100% there at pick 14. I think you're just coming off as a little too 'know it all' when you suggest things that are EXTREMELY unlikely, are pretty much certain.

I have consistently said Gordon is a big concern AND I value Javonte at RB14 because, despite Gordon, he has as much "guaranteed" production with far more upside as any RB behind him.

Realistically the only difference between our positions is, for me it's the options behind Javonte that drive my ranking as much, if not more than his upside.

A 60% share would bump him up to around RB10 in my book. I'm just not prepared to bank that...yet.

You'll get there.

 

[Chaka]

You'll get there.

Ha! Maybe, just not sure who I'd pass on to put him there.

Aaron Jones feels very possible, after that...

 

[humpback]

Gordon was in the market, he was better than Javonte on the field last season

You keep repeating this.

Maybe we watched very different versions of last season - is there really a multi-verse?

Maybe. I called Melvin "marginally better" and referred to them them as "virtually interchangeable" last season, which they were, and I have repeatedly conceded that Javonte is the 1A in this situation.

Where is the flaw in RB14 for Javonte?

The point about Melvin's performance vis-a-vis Javonte's is that Melvin isn't washed up.

4.5 ypc to 4.4 ypc.
7.6 your to 7.3 ypr
10 TDs to 7TDs

Not wanting to pay veteran RBs a ton of money isn't a shocker and doesn't move the needle for me. Gordon knows the drill, we all do. My guess is he was waiting from an offer from a potential contender and, if necessary, was content to wait until a camp injury. Gordon resigned 6 days after the Wilson trade so I am guessing there was a standing offer from Denver. That a new coaching staff decided to go with an old regime player is also interesting.

It's Javonte's job but if he hits a 60% share (yadda-yadda-injury) it will be a surprise.

Is a RB likely to become more or less productive at age 29 in their 8th season? How about at age 22 in their 2nd season?

I think the o/u is right around a 60% share for Javonte, mostly because he's an ascending player while Gordon is likely to be descending (even if you thought they were virtually interchangeable last season). If Gordon really slows down, it could go a decent amount higher.

 

[joey]

You'll get there.

Ha! Maybe, just not sure who I'd pass on to put him there.

Aaron Jones feels very possible, after that...

@Chaka I can’t figure it out but how did you only quote a single post out of a thread?

 

[VikingFrog]

@Chaka I can’t figure it out but how did you only quote a single post out of a thread?

Highlight the text and a little box will pop up to quote just the highlighted text.

 

[Deamon]

a little box will pop up

nice!

 

[Chaka]

As we get closer to my draft I keep revisiting where to slot Javonte.

At this point, if I am on the clock with Chubb, A.Jones, Fournette, Kamara, Saquon & Javonte all on the board I think I put Jones & Fournette at the bottom of the list with Saquon & Kamara at the top.

We've discussed the Javonte S.W.O.T. chart to death in here, no need to rehash.

Chubb is, arguably the best pure runner in the league on a team that will have to grind and control the clock to win. The Browns will finish very close to 500 rushing attempts this season. He's only 26 and, perhaps hasn't had his career year yet. There aren't many true contenders for league rushing champ and Chubb is on the short list. But he seems likely to miss time, has a top three backup and an offense that doesn't utilize him a lot in the passing game and will, likely struggle as a whole.

So, Chubb or Javonte?

 

[habsfan]

As we get closer to my draft I keep revisiting where to slot Javonte.

At this point, if I am on the clock with Chubb, A.Jones, Fournette, Kamara, Saquon & Javonte all on the board I think I put Jones & Fournette at the bottom of the list with Saquon & Kamara at the top.

We've discussed the Javonte S.W.O.T. chart to death in here, no need to rehash.

Chubb is, arguably the best pure runner in the league on a team that will have to grind and control the clock to win. The Browns will finish very close to 500 rushing attempts this season. He's only 26 and, perhaps hasn't had his career year yet. There aren't many true contenders for league rushing champ and Chubb is on the short list. But he seems likely to miss time, has a top three backup and an offense that doesn't utilize him a lot in the passing game and will, likely struggle as a whole.

So, Chubb or Javonte?

Being risk averse, I would go Chubb as I think he gives you a narrower range of outcomes. If that's not what you're looking for there, Javonte.

 

[Timmay]

Took Javonte in the 2nd round in a 12 team league picking 4th. Only Chubb was available from the list below. Saquon was taken the pick before me and someone I was targeting but I am still happy with Javonte.

Chubb, A.Jones, Fournette, Kamara, Saquon & Javonte

 

[BobbyLayne]

Pre-draft rankings and ADP become rather meaningless once Weeks 1-2 are out of the way. Of all the RBs you’re likely to find in the second round - Barkley, Chubb, Fournette, [Aaron Jones], Kamara, Swift - is Javonte’s downside risk really greater than any of them? Doesn’t he have the highest ceiling?

You’re supposed to play the ADP game and wait until the end of the second / beginning of the third to take him. But why not reach? It’s a new regime, they let Gordon walk then resigned him at a discount, major upgrade at QB, the 2022 Broncos won’t look anything like last season, Williams is an integral part of their plans.

I think he’s a great flag player for this year. 30% of Top 5 RBs over the past 8 seasons (2014-21) were rookies or 2nd year players.

Could be wrong, but betting on Williams is a lot more fun than hoping a veteran has more upside.

 

[Chaka]

Pre-draft rankings and ADP become rather meaningless once Weeks 1-2 are out of the way. Of all the RBs you’re likely to find in the second round - Barkley, Chubb, Fournette, Kamara, Swift - is Javonte’s downside risk really greater than any of them? Doesn’t he have the highest ceiling?

Splitting hairs but I think they all have similar upside except maybe Fournette.

Javonte has the best supporting cast which is a double edged sword but they should score more than any of the other offenses, except Tampa maybe.

Swift has the best o-line by a wide margin.

Saquon should get the most touches by a good margin.

Kamara is Kamara

Chubb is the best runner.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Overhyped.

 

[Chaka]

Overhyped.

Care to unpack this a bit?

 

[Deamon]

Overhyped.

lol this is a strange thought since he's not really being hyped that much at all.
He finished last year as RB14 and he's being drafted this year as RB14. You see a big drop off this year in his production this year with a higher percentage of the touches and a better offense?

 

[Hartliner]

I'm all-in this year on Javonte in round 2. I have taken him in all 3 of my 12 team drafts so far. Granted, he was a 7th RD keeper in 1, but in the other 2 I have been pairing him with a #2 pick and starting out CMC/Javonte and J.T./Javonte.

This 'Double Hero RB' Strategy that then lets me bypass the rest of the RB landmines and getting a ton of WRs a TE/QB .

Pretty great odds for this pick to work out. IMO the only other player I would consider around then is a top 3 TE, but trusting my gut i passed on Pitts and Mark Andrews twice.

His playmaking just sparks the offense and I see him as being a great pass blocker and he took over the passing downs too last year. I think he is gonna be on the field longer just based on being competent in all the areas and is involved in the valuable receptions/touches on an ascending offense. He does have the highest upside IMO.

 

[Chaka]

I get more comfortable with him daily, still can't put him over guaranteed volume guys like Saquon & Kamara but I'm seeing it over A.Jones & Fournette.

 

[Phantom Knight]

Swift has the best o-line by a wide margin.

Thank you. You just gave a tie-breaker to Swift in a my rankings.

 

[rockaction]

I get more comfortable with him daily, still can't put him over guaranteed volume guys like Saquon & Kamara but I'm seeing it over A.Jones & Fournette.

We do a league every year in the FFA called the Shining Path Memorial League. Williams went behind Saquon and Kamara (and Chubb) but ahead of AJones and Fournette. So there's precedent for that. Barkley went 1.7 with the caveat that the drafter "believe[d]." One word. So do I believe, too, and think Saquon is actually underrated this year at ADP. Reach for the stars, baby!

 

[JohnnyU]

Overhyped.

That title goes to Swift.

 

[Chaka]

I get more comfortable with him daily, still can't put him over guaranteed volume guys like Saquon & Kamara but I'm seeing it over A.Jones & Fournette.

We do a league every year in the FFA called the Shining Path Memorial League. Williams went behind Saquon and Kamara (and Chubb) but ahead of AJones and Fournette. So there's precedent for that. Barkley went 1.7 with the caveat that the drafter "believe[d]." One word. So do I believe, too, and think Saquon is actually underrated this year at ADP. Reach for the stars, baby!

RIP Shiny

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Overhyped.

Care to unpack this a bit?

Seems like he's going a Round or 2 higher than he should. I think Melvin Gordon is gonna see a good amount of carries. I traded him for Saquan in the offseason. He is going at 2.09 from what my data tells mean and I would be terrified relying on him as my RB1.

 

[gethugefast1]

Saquon is actually underrated this year at ADP. Reach for the stars, baby!

As a 45+ year NYG fan, I'd very much like to remind others, Saquads plays 1/2 his games at MetLife stadium.

 

[Chaka]

Overhyped.

Care to unpack this a bit?

Seems like he's going a Round or 2 higher than he should. I think Melvin Gordon is gonna see a good amount of carries. I traded him for Saquan in the offseason. He is going at 2.09 from what my data tells mean and I would be terrified relying on him as my RB1.

I agree with a lot of that, if you read unthread you would see that. In many leagues (single QB leagues) 2.9 make him the ~RB12-14. When you look at RBs 13-15+ it's hard to argue with Javonte being where he is.

My biggest difficulty with slotting him is where does he rate among A.Jones, Fournette & Chubb? I take him all day over Zeke & Conner though. Fading with competition (plus losing his best blocker) & TD dependent, career year IMO. Javonte is a better gamble than those two IMO.

 

[Chaka]

Saquon is actually underrated this year at ADP. Reach for the stars, baby!

As a 45+ year NYG fan, I'd very much like to remind others, Saquads plays 1/2 his games at MetLife stadium.

Do you mean because the field appears to be jinxed, increasing injury risk?

 

[Chaka]

Swift has the best o-line by a wide margin.

Thank you. You just gave a tie-breaker to Swift in a my rankings.

DON'T BLAME ME!!! I'm a rando on magic football inner tube message board answering you lat on a Saturday night. I'm pretty sure it's clear that I'm clinically insane.

 

[Deamon]

Overhyped.

Care to unpack this a bit?

Seems like he's going a Round or 2 higher than he should. I think Melvin Gordon is gonna see a good amount of carries. I traded him for Saquan in the offseason. He is going at 2.09 from what my data tells mean and I would be terrified relying on him as my RB1.

Ok with this follow up, I'm 99% sure this is just a trolling attempt. But just in case not....

1. A round or TWO higher? So you think he should be going early 4th round. He was RB14 last year... you are suggesting a significant DROP in production this year?
2. You traded him away.... your biased post makes a bit more sense now.
3. Yes he is going 2.09... meaning he is probably not your RB1, but if you DID take a WR in the first 4 picks (Maybe 10% of the people in any league could say this) then yes he would be your RB1.

 

[rockaction]

(Maybe 10% of the people in any league could say this)

Way more than that. Especially PPR leagues. But despite ADP, you might not get him there. I just took Jefferson at 3 (After Taylor and McCaffrey) and J. Williams was gone before I will get to pick again. Then again, there's been a huge RB run in that league, so it's not reflective or indicative of his ADP.

 

[Deamon]

(Maybe 10% of the people in any league could say this)

Way more than that. Especially PPR leagues. But despite ADP, you might not get him there. I just took Jefferson at 3 (After Taylor and McCaffrey) and J. Williams was gone before I will get to pick again. Then again, there's been a huge RB run in that league, so it's not reflective or indicative of his ADP.

Maybe you misunderstood. I said 10% of PEOPLE (not people who pick top 4) are taking a WR in the first 4 picks of a draft. How way more than that?

Only 33% of people pick in the top 4 picks. Of those, half of them take taylor or CMC. So you're at 16.5% of people in a league are picking ekeler/henry/kupp/jj at #3 or #4.
In Standard leagues I'd say 0-1 (0-8%) of 12 people in the league will be taking drafting a WR at 1, 2, 3, or 4.

In PPR, it's likely 1-2 (so 8-16%). So even in PPR, if JJ and Kupp go top 4, that still means only 2 of 12 people (16%) took a wr in the first 4 picks.

 

[Chaka]

The funny thing is everyone chases the top RB from the previous season with a top 3 pick, presumably because that guys was the highest scorer in their league.

Just curious, how many leagues was Kupp the highest scorer last year? How many leagues did Taylor go in mid to late 2nd round last year?

 

[Deamon]

The funny thing is everyone chases the top RB from the previous season with a top 3 pick, presumably because that guys was the highest scorer in their league.

Just curious, how many leagues was Kupp the highest scorer last year? How many leagues did Taylor go in mid to late 2nd round last year?

Taylor went in the 18th round last year for me.

But I only play in start-5-QB-leagues.

 

[Chaka]

The funny thing is everyone chases the top RB from the previous season with a top 3 pick, presumably because that guys was the highest scorer in their league.

Just curious, how many leagues was Kupp the highest scorer last year? How many leagues did Taylor go in mid to late 2nd round last year?

Taylor went in the 18th round last year for me.

But I only play in start-5-QB-leagues.

See? Now that's a great response! I approve.

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Overhyped.

Care to unpack this a bit?

Seems like he's going a Round or 2 higher than he should. I think Melvin Gordon is gonna see a good amount of carries. I traded him for Saquan in the offseason. He is going at 2.09 from what my data tells mean and I would be terrified relying on him as my RB1.

Ok with this follow up, I'm 99% sure this is just a trolling attempt. But just in case not....

1. A round or TWO higher? So you think he should be going early 4th round. He was RB14 last year... you are suggesting a significant DROP in production this year?
2. You traded him away.... your biased post makes a bit more sense now.
3. Yes he is going 2.09... meaning he is probably not your RB1, but if you DID take a WR in the first 4 picks (Maybe 10% of the people in any league could say this) then yes he would be your RB1.

Im just saying that if I missed on Chubb, Barkley, and Kamara. I would feel uneasy with Javonte as the anchor to my RB core. Not saying can't but I draft at pick 8 tomorrow and will take J Chase.

 

[Chaka]

Im just saying that if I missed on Chubb, Barkley, and Kamara. I would feel uneasy with Javonte as the anchor to my RB core. Not saying can't but I draft at pick 8 tomorrow and will take J Chase.

Agree 100% but if Chubb, Barkley & Kamara are gone by your 2nd pick your options are Javonte or a zero RB philosophy (unless you have confidence in Fournette and/or A.Jones).

Or switch to a SF league, which really opens up a world of transformational options for so many leagues.

@Deamon

 

[joey]

I’m coming to terms with the fact that, drafting from the 1.1, Javonte will never make it back to me at the 2/3turn

 

[Deamon]

Overhyped.

Care to unpack this a bit?

Seems like he's going a Round or 2 higher than he should. I think Melvin Gordon is gonna see a good amount of carries. I traded him for Saquan in the offseason. He is going at 2.09 from what my data tells mean and I would be terrified relying on him as my RB1.

Ok with this follow up, I'm 99% sure this is just a trolling attempt. But just in case not....

1. A round or TWO higher? So you think he should be going early 4th round. He was RB14 last year... you are suggesting a significant DROP in production this year?
2. You traded him away.... your biased post makes a bit more sense now.
3. Yes he is going 2.09... meaning he is probably not your RB1, but if you DID take a WR in the first 4 picks (Maybe 10% of the people in any league could say this) then yes he would be your RB1.

Im just saying that if I missed on Chubb, Barkley, and Kamara. I would feel uneasy with Javonte as the anchor to my RB core. Not saying can't but I draft at pick 8 tomorrow and will take J Chase.

Right but you said he's going 1-2 rounds early, meaning you see Javonte as a 4th round pick. You're not going to take him at 3.08 if he's still there?

 

[Stuart Ullman]

Overhyped.

Care to unpack this a bit?

Seems like he's going a Round or 2 higher than he should. I think Melvin Gordon is gonna see a good amount of carries. I traded him for Saquan in the offseason. He is going at 2.09 from what my data tells mean and I would be terrified relying on him as my RB1.

Ok with this follow up, I'm 99% sure this is just a trolling attempt. But just in case not....

1. A round or TWO higher? So you think he should be going early 4th round. He was RB14 last year... you are suggesting a significant DROP in production this year?
2. You traded him away.... your biased post makes a bit more sense now.
3. Yes he is going 2.09... meaning he is probably not your RB1, but if you DID take a WR in the first 4 picks (Maybe 10% of the people in any league could say this) then yes he would be your RB1.

Im just saying that if I missed on Chubb, Barkley, and Kamara. I would feel uneasy with Javonte as the anchor to my RB core. Not saying can't but I draft at pick 8 tomorrow and will take J Chase.

Right but you said he's going 1-2 rounds early, meaning you see Javonte as a 4th round pick. You're not going to take him at 3.08 if he's still there?

In a 12 teamer, really start considering QB/TE. If you have Lamar or Kelce you get to beat up on teams who are deficient at that position.


Kind of seems like you could cleanup on a Baltimore RBB in the interim. Javonte should be a RB2. If I was at 3.08 I would have to closely consider all options. If it was a 14 team league I could stomach Javonte as my RB1.




The thing is, I've seen guys with more talent fizzle out. There's no proof he can be the guy just yet. 22 years old still a young kid. The comp was Emmitt Smith coming out, I think he's just as talented as Chubb.



But can he withstand a beating for 17 games? Toughest position to play and some players have proven more durable than others.


Upside is huge but I think we're all just a little overhyped. If healthy, 1,100 and 10-12 touchdowns. That works but there are guys drafted near him that have done similar. Plus you got Melvin Gordon there still.




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