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RB Javonte Williams, DAL (3 Viewers)

this is probably the last week to get him for a reasonable price in trades, his value is going to skyrocket , probably starting this weekend. 

 
I think if Denver pulls ahead big by halftime,William's will get more touches than Gordan in this game.  

 My reasoning,is that Gordan being older and injury prone,they'll want to ease his load to keep him fresh for the 18 game schedule, and to give the rookie more touches to get a bit more experience at the nfl level.

 William's will go for 100 plus yards and 2 it's in this game.  

  I also think Tim Patrick leads the team in receptions and yards,with a td...why put Sutton out in 2nd half of much in 4th quarter, if they are blowing away the Jags. His knee will be slowing him down until about week 6.. 

 
joffer said:
Gordon showed more speed than I thought he still had last week.  I go 65-35 Gordon right now
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We’re going from 50-50 to 65-35 based on one run?

starting him over Ty’son in one league on my bench in a couple others.

 
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I want to start Gordon based on the matchup and the juice he showed last week but Williams' growing share has me spooked. Starting D.Henderson instead.

 
BobbyLayne said:
We’re going from 50-50 to 65-35 based on one run?

starting him over Ty’son in one league on my bench in a couple others.
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I'm going the other direction- I think the Ravens need the Ty'son receptions in this game. Javonte is not guaranteed anything, and I prefer Gordon right now due to his current skillset pass-catching ability and his nose for the end zone. Not saying Javonte can't BE this eventually, but I'd rather go with the players who are showing these skillsets today. 

 
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TampaMike19 said:
I'm going the other direction- I think the Ravens need the Ty'son receptions in this game. Javonte is not guaranteed anything, and I prefer Gordon right now due to his current skillset pass-catching ability and his nose for the end zone. Not saying Javonte can't BE this eventually, but I'd rather go with the players who are showing these skillsets today. 
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Interesting. We’re not concerned Lamar targets his RBs less than any other QB in football (by a healthy margin)? He takes off instead of checking down.

Anyway the Ty’son thread is almost as hot as the Elijah+Sermon circle jerks, probably been discussed ad nauseam in there.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Interesting. We’re not concerned Lamar targets his RBs less than any other QB in football (by a healthy margin)? He takes off instead of checking down.

Anyway the Ty’son thread is almost as hot as the Elijah+Sermon circle jerks, probably been discussed ad nauseam in there.
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Haha, it is intense in there. 

I have Gordon, Javonte, and Ty'Son, but almost certainly going with one of the Broncos.

Who knows, they're all question marks, but all three figure to get about 50% of their team's action, and the JAX match-up just seems like too much to pass up. 

Gordon feels a little safer, but I just get this feeling they're going to get up by 20 early and let Javonte finish them off. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
Interesting. We’re not concerned Lamar targets his RBs less than any other QB in football (by a healthy margin)? He takes off instead of checking down.

Anyway the Ty’son thread is almost as hot as the Elijah+Sermon circle jerks, probably been discussed ad nauseam in there.
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Sorta but he had 4 targets on Monday and the ravens are just short of weapons. They kinda gotta right now. But yeah it’s all negligible between Broncos backs and Tyson

 
C-Bound said:
Thoughts on Javonte over Swift factoring in late game injury risk?
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Tough call. Bird in the hand vs 2 in the bush. I hate MNF injured players. Plus a semi-difficult matchup against the Niner’s run D. 😬 

I have no idea what I’d do there - probably depends on how strong my opponent is. 

Hopefully there’ll be an injury report on Swift before you have to make that call. 

 
C-Bound said:
Thoughts on Javonte over Swift factoring in late game injury risk?
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go finish your coffee

:coffee:  

Srsly tho gave the same choice and don’t think it’s a dilemma

assuming both play he wins both the floor and the ceiling argument 

he* is far more likely to play than to sit, don’t overthink it

*ETA by he I mean DS

 
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Javonte Williams rushed 13 times for 64 yards, catching his only target for 10 yards in Denver's Week 2 win over the Jaguars.

Williams out-performed Gordon on the ground, averaging 4.9 yards per carry to the veteran's 2.4, but it was the latter who out-targeted Williams (2-1) for the second-most receiving yards on the team (38). With 13 carries apiece (and their team at 2-0), both players are clearly in a true timeshare for the foreseeable future. Williams can still be started (if necessary) as an RB3 in softer matchups, which includes Denver's Week 3 opponent in the Jets.

Sep 19, 2021, 11:46 PM ET
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CBS reporting Williams has an oblique injury.  As a FBB manager, that makes me really nervous. I was planning to roll him out at Flex this week against a soft Jets run defense, but if he's nursing an oblique he becomes a much riskier start. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
CBS reporting Williams has an oblique injury.  As a FBB manager, that makes me really nervous. I was planning to roll him out at Flex this week against a soft Jets run defense, but if he's nursing an oblique he becomes a much riskier start. 
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Oblique? What is this baseball. Man up Javonte lol

 
CBS has the Questionable tag attached to his name with the oblique but no other info or news item on it.  

We know teams split carries regardless.  If he is forced to sit who is the next man up for DEN with Boone on IR?  Just trying to be prepared..

 
-jb- said:
I’m only finding one Twitter comment about an oblique. Anyone have something concrete?
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like I said, I only see it on Sportsline as the header of the player. Red Cross next to his name, header reads, “questionable, oblique” - usually there’s a corresponding blurb (from Rotoworld, now “sports edge”) associated with such a heade, but nothing.

It’s annoying as hell, because even if Henderson plays against the Bucs I was planning on subbing in JaWill at o-flex. 

Hopefully we’ll get clarity on this when this week’s practice reports come out. 

 
BobbyLayne said:
-jb- said:
I’m only finding one Twitter comment about an oblique. Anyone have something concrete?
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treating this like the D’Andre Swift is under investigation for murder rumor until I see something official 
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nothing on:

  • Denver Post
  • ESPN
  • every single beat writer (I follow at least 6-8) 
  • local news
  • Mike High Report
  • Reddit 
  • Twitter
  • Yahoo
Listed on thelines.com, CBS and one confused guy on Twitter asking what’s going on.

A reasonable person practicing discernment would conclude he is fine until Vick Fangio or someone with the Broncos says otherwise.

YMMv

 
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started him in one league last week

probably flexing him over Cooks/JuJu in my main league this week

debating him over Swift in another (& I’m the biggest D’Andre Stan around)

great matchup at home and he’s on the cusp of breaking out

 
BobbyLayne said:
nothing on:

  • Denver Post
  • ESPN
  • every single beat writer (I follow at least 6-8) 
  • local news
  • Mike High Report
  • Reddit 
  • Twitter
  • Yahoo
Listed on thelines.com, CBS and one confused guy on Twitter asking what’s going on.

A reasonable person practicing discernment would conclude he is fine until Vick Fangio or someone with the Broncos says otherwise.

YMMv
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Agree.

also, worth noting, CBS has removed the injury designation. No Red Cross.

Banged-up Henderson against the Bucs on my bench, welcome to my 2021 starting Flex position for the first time, JaWill. May you score 2 TDs this week. :wub:  

 
Chaka said:
I know it's only one run but, jinkies what a run!
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Beast mode / Henry vibes

he did lead the nation in broken tackles last year

the one thing that stood out to me on the college tape is he goes low and uses leverage to bust through guys trying to bring him down

there were people saying "oh that's against the ACC, half those guys are the future gym teachers of America"

but I kind of looked at it as "now that's superior technique - that will translate to the next level"

he doesn't seem like he's big enough to be a physical runner but dang he's fun to watcxh

 
BobbyLayne said:
Beast mode / Henry vibes

he did lead the nation in broken tackles last year

the one thing that stood out to me on the college tape is he goes low and uses leverage to bust through guys trying to bring him down

there were people saying "oh that's against the ACC, half those guys are the future gym teachers of America"

but I kind of looked at it as "now that's superior technique - that will translate to the next level"

he doesn't seem like he's big enough to be a physical runner but dang he's fun to watcxh
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Poppycock! You can only play against the people who line up against you and he played well.

At any rate I made a trade offer for him so :drive:  

 
Come on guys let's get this train rolling! :drive:

How can the Christine Michael 2.0...errrr...Trey Sermon thread be camping on page one and the JTrain thread is relegated to page 2 status?

It's an outrage!!

So, who is rolling this guy out this weekend and over who?

Let's hear some projections for this week too.

I am starting Javonte and Jonathan Taylor (who I am thinking of benching for James White) with Sermon and Zack Moss on my bench with the injured Josh Jacobs.

I'm hoping for a big win by Denver leading to 15 carries for 75 yards and a TD with 2 catches for 12 yards.

 
Chaka said:
Come on guys let's get this train rolling! :drive:

How can the Christine Michael 2.0...errrr...Trey Sermon thread be camping on page one and the JTrain thread is relegated to page 2 status?

It's an outrage!!

So, who is rolling this guy out this weekend and over who?

Let's hear some projections for this week too.

I am starting Javonte and Jonathan Taylor (who I am thinking of benching for James White) with Sermon and Zack Moss on my bench with the injured Josh Jacobs.

I'm hoping for a big win by Denver leading to 15 carries for 75 yards and a TD with 2 catches for 12 yards.
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have him on three of my 4 redraft teams

started him on one last week

def starting him on 2 this week and contemplating a third

(latter would be over Swift RB or Sutton Flex, so not an easy call)

breakout coming, love how this guy runs 

 
BobbyLayne said:
have him on three of my 4 redraft teams

started him on one last week

def starting him on 2 this week and contemplating a third

(latter would be over Swift RB or Sutton Flex, so not an easy call)

breakout coming, love how this guy runs 
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Over Sutton is a very tough call after last week. 

 
Have an interesting flex decision, all these are options for me

javonte ty’son Hollywood pollard devonta 

i guess it’s good to have lots of options 🤷‍♂️

 
I've been getting a lot of offers for Williams.  Funny thing is, in one league a guy made me an offer knowing my only other RB that is start worthy if he's healthy is Henderson.  Sometimes I wonder if people ever look at the roster of the guy they are trying to trade with.

 
Chaka said:
Over Sutton is a very tough call after last week. 
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League dominator is telling me

bench Sutton

start JuJu flex

Pollard & Williams - not in the conversation

hate when I disagree with it

started Cooks at WR3 last night & going against CMC manager, s/b fine either way

 
BearDown54 said:
Have an interesting flex decision, all these are options for me

javonte ty’son Hollywood pollard devonta 

i guess it’s good to have lots of options 🤷‍♂️
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I presume you mean Devonta Smith not Freeman.

I think I read that Ty'son is one of only 3 or 4 RBs to total at 90 yards from scrimmage in the first two weeks.

Marquise Brown may finally be emerging as a consistent threat. I have difficulty not viewing him as a boom/bust player but that's on me.

Pollard is a pleasant surprise but his usage has been very inconsistent. It's hard to have confidence in what will probably be a close game.

I love Smith's talent but the Philly offense hasn't shown nearly enough for me to have any confidence in any player on that team.

Javonte has a very plus matchup but still had to contend with Melvin for touches. I do not ever subscribe to the "If you take away his longest run" argument. Fangio trusts Melvin so he will get touches. Being said, I think Denver has a shot to win big and if nothing else Javonte should be the short yardage TD vulture to Gordon this season.

Given your options I probably roll with Ty'son first then it's a tossup between Brown & Javonte.

 
BobbyLayne said:
have him on three of my 4 redraft teams

started him on one last week

def starting him on 2 this week and contemplating a third

(latter would be over Swift RB or Sutton Flex, so not an easy call)

breakout coming, love how this guy runs 
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Jets run defense is solid - their secondary is Swiss cheese. Sutton looks like the better start to me but who knows?

 
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BobbyLayne said:
have him on three of my 4 redraft teams

started him on one last week

def starting him on 2 this week and contemplating a third

(latter would be over Swift RB or Sutton Flex, so not an easy call)

breakout coming, love how this guy runs 
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Regarding Sutton, if Javonte ends up having the opportunities to get high volume because Denver is up big, it's hard not to think that Sutton will be a big part of the reason why.

Yeah, I go with Sutton. The guy's star was ascending fast before the injury and he looks like he is back in form.

Still a tough call though.

 
BobbyLayne said:
League dominator is telling me

bench Sutton

start JuJu flex

Pollard & Williams - not in the conversation

hate when I disagree with it

started Cooks at WR3 last night & going against CMC manager, s/b fine either way
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Not a fan of the league dominator. It's very generic and doesn't seem to really understand the nuances of even semi-nontraditional formats like super-flex.

JuJu is a player who somehow flew way under the radar in my league. He was the third Pitt WR off the board. He is going to get opportunities consistently for sure but Ben is dealing with a chest injury already and that offensive line looks ghastly so far.

I would sell high in redraft, it's part of the reason I was willing to dish Claypool. I'd rather sell a little too early than late.

 
Chaka said:
Not a fan of the league dominator. It's very generic and doesn't seem to really understand the nuances of even semi-nontraditional formats like super-flex.

JuJu is a player who somehow flew way under the radar in my league. He was the third Pitt WR off the board. He is going to get opportunities consistently for sure but Ben is dealing with a chest injury already and that offensive line looks ghastly so far.

I would sell high in redraft, it's part of the reason I was willing to dish Claypool. I'd rather sell a little too early than late.
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Yeah he was in 100% routes run last week, if Johnson misses any time he should put up good numbers. We have Steelers homers in my league so there’s a market for him.

 
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