massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, no one announces they gonna rush players back, and put them at risk. They just do it.
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RB Javonte Williams, DAL (2 Viewers)
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Stoneworker
Footballguy
Must be why he had a day off today.
massraider
Footballguy
Teams have rushed players back, all while preaching player safety. This is a fact, and it is a fair concern to have.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
It's a fair concern, but on the flip side just because Williams is "ahead of schedule" doesn't necessarily equate to him being rushed back and therefore at increased risk of setback. Maybe he's just ahead of schedule.
MTskibum
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He’s surprised me thus far. I still think he could start the season off slowly - with Broncos holding him back a bit - with Perine getting more work, but obviously I’m guessing and he may keep pace and start the season as workhorse.
I’m not a dynasty shareholder, and I’m not anticipating being in a position to draft him - but we’ll see.
Chaka
Footballguy
Perine is a 28 year old mostly pedestrian RB. He's "good enough". Joseph Addai-esque.
He might be able to hold the RB fort on the way to.a Super Bowl, of you have Peak Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne keeping the pressure off.
But he's not keeping a high end back on the bench.
Is Javonte "high end"? I have no idea. He hasn't been amazing really. He had a great start against KC and that run against Baltimore was a thing of beauty but is that enough for us to hang out hats on? 2021 feels like an eon ago.
Yeah, Javonte is a very interesting prospect but I think, barring some stunning news this TC, I am bearish enough on him that I doubt I will land him this year.
He might be able to hold the RB fort on the way to.a Super Bowl, of you have Peak Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne keeping the pressure off.
But he's not keeping a high end back on the bench.
Is Javonte "high end"? I have no idea. He hasn't been amazing really. He had a great start against KC and that run against Baltimore was a thing of beauty but is that enough for us to hang out hats on? 2021 feels like an eon ago.
Yeah, Javonte is a very interesting prospect but I think, barring some stunning news this TC, I am bearish enough on him that I doubt I will land him this year.
Please let us know who?
Don't leave us hanging.
Do we need to sign up for the inside info?
RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
His current ADP is in the early 70s. That seems like a decent value to me. Curious as to who you like better in that region.
TripItUp
Footballguy
FF Calculator has him at pick 5.05 for 12 team .5 PPR drafts this past month.
I'd take almost every one of the next 20 players over Javonte. He is one of the most overvalued players, if not, the most overvalued player this year IMHO.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
FBG is showing his ADP at 6.5. He's surrounded by Conner, Pacheco, Montgomery, Cook.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Seems reasonable....on par with Pachecko and Cook....maybe a higher ceiling depending on respective touches between him and Cook who is being pimped currently.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
I'd take Pacheco & Montgomery for sure over Javonte.
-OZ-
Footballguy
To each their own. Williams has better upside than either guy imo. I assume you’re just talking redraft as I don’t think it’s remotely close in dynasty. (I just traded for javonte where I’m building)
Da Franchise
Footballguy
David Chao aka pro football doc is legit. Former top doc for the Chargers. He’s the only reliable one I’ve found. Unfortunately his website and general vehicle for distributing info is pathetically bad for 2023, but if you just isolate the content and injury reactions, he’s excellent.
I am glad he is progressing, but why does he need to play in the pre-season at all? Seems dumb. He could easily get re-injured getting hit this soon, or get a different injury as his leg is not completely ready for this kind of impact. I love Williams, but I really hope by playing they mean he dresses up for the game, and does not play at al lol. Save him for the regular season and stop playing games.
Proteus
Footballguy
Same. A lot of JK Dobbins 2022 comps have been floating around in terms of what kind of timeline for full recovery we can expect and I am officially dismissing that now, based on both players current status.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If I remember correctly with Dobbins it was him saying he would be ready and never the team.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I might underrate Pierce. Singletary is going to get a decent share.
Proteus
Footballguy
Not only that, but if you used a pick on him, he was useful for what, 5 games at the end of the season?
The team was fairly optimistic too, he only ended up missing the first 2 games and even then it was considered being overly cautious. Dobbins' issue was he had a lot of scar tissue built up after the surgery, which they said they couldn't even detect on the MRI. After they went in and cleaned it all out they said it was much worse than they expected so they were very optimistic after that.
It's definitely moving in the right direction for Javonte and he's a bit ahead of JK's schedule, but until we can see him out there in a game moving normally it's kind of tbd.
Honestly, those timelines should have been dismissed 5 months ago, and should never have existed. Dobbins is/was a gigantic outlier.
Decent might be 30%. Like Pierce probably isn't going to hit 20+ touches every week like he was for a stretch last season, but I think its a very clear #1 and #2 scenario.
I like that Mattison/Pierce/Javonte trio a lot more than the Sanders/Monty/Pacheco/Dobbins group, if Javonte keeps getting good news, I could probably even argue him (especially if one is one the Russell Wilson bounceback side) as high as someone like Aaron Jones.
ETA: People who got guys like Mixon, Mattison, Javonte, and Kamara in the 8th+ round in best balls 2 months ago have to be really thrilled the way the summer has gone.
Proteus
Footballguy
I was trying to account for how they both had ACL with PCL damage if I’m not mistaken, making them both outliers, but one year apart.
In other words I was led to believe that Javonte could face a very slow recovery this year like Dobbins did last year.
But are you saying there was more for Dobbins in 22? Infections and cleanups and whatever sand-in-vagina he’s still complaining about?
More just saying Dobbins recovery was poor. Most guys will be back sooner from that injury than he was, and that I think there was a recency bias that because Dobbins just happened, that the expectation should be Dobbins timeline.
I don't have any inside information, but I will state my opinion, that I think Dobbins is a little bit of a crybaby. He's missed as many games as he's played in his career, he very publicly called out his HC and OC after the playoff loss (whether his opinion was right or not is irrelevant) and now wants a new deal, even though he's done next to nothing in his career to earn one, especially when the RB market is at a point where the guy who just won the rushing title, and did more in 2022 than Dobbins has in his career, isn't getting a new deal. It honestly (fair or not) raises questions about Dobbins attitude, his work ethic, and most of all his durability.
To tie it back around, I have none of those questions with Javonte Williams (on top of thinking he's a better overall player) so if Williams is good to go, I think he's a pretty easy choice over Dobbins.
Dez
Footballguy
Just finished my 100th underdog 1 QB draft today and I have 16%
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Yup. I'm sure there are plenty of FFPC leagues available that he can still join.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
cautiously optimistic he can recover to the point of being a contributor in this offense . I have him in dynasty, might hope for a big preseason game and ship him off to another team. I'm not entirely sold. I do think , if healthy, he can produce at a high level, but it's a big IF
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Sammy Perine
Next!
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Stoneworker
Footballguy
It's on...
Twitter: HC Sean Payton confirms RB Javonte Williams will play against the 49ers. Said he doesn’t yet know how many snaps he’ll get and noted the Broncos will be smart with him.
Twitter: HC Sean Payton confirms RB Javonte Williams will play against the 49ers. Said he doesn’t yet know how many snaps he’ll get and noted the Broncos will be smart with him.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Honestly those two things seem to contradict each other. I get they have medical clearance, but it still doesn't seem very smart to throw him out there yet.
Feels like a Boobie Miles moment from Friday Night Lights waiting to happen
Stoneworker
Footballguy
While obviously debatable, it is completely consistent with how Payton is treating everyone coming off injury. Only currently injured sit.
Even an established vet like Randy Gregory (coming off meniscus surgery) played 10 snaps vs. AZ.
My guess is JW will be in the same range. 3-4 touches max IMO
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure. I mean at some point he’s taking hits. I’m just a bit surprised it’s in preseason
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Right I don't get the point in using a starting running back ever in pre-season. Especially one coming back from that
I’m happily taking him over all of those players you named after Sean’s comments.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
You can tell from JW's responses in this interview that he believes he needs to get tackled as his last psychological hurdle to feel fully confident in the recovery process.
According to Broncos' reporter Mike Klis, he has been "popped" several times in practice, but not yet tackled to the ground.
Looks quick and agile in the video. Brace is now off.
8-15 JW interview
According to Broncos' reporter Mike Klis, he has been "popped" several times in practice, but not yet tackled to the ground.
Looks quick and agile in the video. Brace is now off.
8-15 JW interview
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I am huge Williams fan and Bronco homer, but just watching the way he ran before, you knew an injury was really possible. He just ran with such intensity and "'sought out" contact that he needs to learn to maybe go down sometimes and not absorb so much punishment.
That being said, JW is only going to be as good as the o-line and Wilson. I know they were missing some pieces preseason game 1, but it sure looked like the same old, same old. Wilson was constantly under pressure and even when he had time, he made poor decisions and overlooked open guys in favor of the big play. If we see this continuing as a trend, teams will just stack the box, take away the run and dare Wilson to beat them with his arm--thus lowering JW's value.
That being said, he will not be anywhere near the top half of my draft board.
That being said, JW is only going to be as good as the o-line and Wilson. I know they were missing some pieces preseason game 1, but it sure looked like the same old, same old. Wilson was constantly under pressure and even when he had time, he made poor decisions and overlooked open guys in favor of the big play. If we see this continuing as a trend, teams will just stack the box, take away the run and dare Wilson to beat them with his arm--thus lowering JW's value.
That being said, he will not be anywhere near the top half of my draft board.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Although thats quite a wet blanket Courtjester I appreciate your honest opinion.
