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RB Joe Mixon, HOU (1 Viewer)

There's a lot of factors/question marks.

- This story was released by the attorney of the girl from the video incident?

- Why is this just coming out now and why is this the first time it's being mentioned by Gil?

- Were the police called for the dad or Mixon?

- Why was there no report/charges? Or is it just that youth records are kept confidential? 

 
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This I think is really important because the narrative goes from "he made a mistake" to "he's a reformed person". I think that's a big swing for media/PR/etc. 

 
- Why is this just coming out now and why is this the first time it's being mentioned by Gil?
All I can add on your lists is it might just be coming out to general public today but based on what I heard Casserly say last week I don't think this is just coming out to NFL teams.

As for NFL teams they might have only recently found this out themselves, as in last few weeks, during the course of investigating his background.

 
- Why is this just coming out now and why is this the first time it's being mentioned by Gil?
Stuff comes out when it comes out.

The girl's attorney is looking for more dirt, looks like she found some.  What about the timing is suspicious? The draft?

Whatever, it's either true or not.

 
Some of you guys bending over backwards to defend this guy.  Go ahead and draft him, buy his jersey, etc.  Just stop trying to convince us (yourself???) he's not a scumbag.

 
There's a lot of factors/question marks.

- This story was released by the attorney of the girl from the video incident?

- Why is this just coming out now and why is this the first time it's being mentioned by Gil?

- Were the police called for the dad or Mixon?

- Why was there no report/charges? Or is it just that youth records are kept confidential? 
1. Exactly why I'm skeptical. Add that to the fact that the attorney for the girl from the video lost a criminal case against Mixon

2. Again, exactly. If this was true/legitimate, it would have come out immediately after the video was released

3. Sounds like the dad. It sounds like he was belligerent and was escorted from the school as a result. I'd be furious if my daughter was hit also, but the fact that the father did nothing following? No charges? No report? No pictures? No social media storm? 

4. See above. I agree, no report is odd. Police reports are public record. Anyone can get them. If one exists you or I could find it. Juvenile records are sealed, so if there was a court case no one can access it. Which it sounds like there was not. 

 
Some of you guys bending over backwards to defend this guy.  Go ahead and draft him, buy his jersey, etc.  Just stop trying to convince us (yourself???) he's not a scumbag.
I would advise you to read peoples' postings. No one has said if this was true who cares. Everyone has said if this is true then that's very damning information and would make him a loser woman abuser. Perhaps your own opinion is clouding your own judgement/ability to read? 

 
I would advise you to read peoples' postings. No one has said if this was true who cares. Everyone has said if this is true then that's very damning information and would make him a loser woman abuser. Perhaps your own opinion is clouding your own judgement/ability to read? 
I'm not the one trying to poke holes in the victim's story because I like the guy.

 
1. Exactly why I'm skeptical. Add that to the fact that the attorney for the girl from the video lost a criminal case against Mixon

2. Again, exactly. If this was true/legitimate, it would have come out immediately after the video was released

3. Sounds like the dad. It sounds like he was belligerent and was escorted from the school as a result. 
Think you'll have the investigation wrapped up by dinner?

 
Hahaha, it's funny because you're talking out your @$$.
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The epitome of the kind of debate that's encouraged here. When all else fails, resort to name calling, insults, and circumventing the language filter. It's exactly what Joe was talking about in the forum rules. You disagree, you want to jump to conclusions with getting one side of one story. That's fine. I prefer to wait it out and see what else develops. As I said, if this is true then I think this guy has used up all of his chances and I'd prefer my team to pass because then it's likely he will do it again. 

No need to resort to personal insults. We can't just disagree? Why must you spew so much hate

 
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The epitome of the kind of debate that's encouraged here. When all else fails, resort to name calling, insults, and circumventing the language filter. It's exactly what Joe was talking about in the forum rules. 
I hope saying the word ### didn't offend. Apologies.

There's no insult. You are talking out of your hind parts. How would you know when a high school story about Mixon would come out?

How can you pretend you would know that? The only way is if you are talking out your ###.

 
I hope saying the word ### didn't offend. Apologies.

There's no insult. You are talking out of your hind parts. How would you know when a high school story about Mixon would come out?

How can you pretend you would know that? The only way is if you are talking out your ###.
I suppose I should put a disclaimer on all of my postings. I guess I should get on your case any time you speculate anything??? This is the first anyone has heard about the incident. So it's only come out now. If you have proof otherwise I'd be happy to see it. You relaly think a video comes out showing an athlete punching a girl in the face and there wouldn't be an immediate follow up saying, hey this also happened once before. Especially when he publicly says it was a one time incident? 

 
The father of a female high school classmate of Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon's recanted his allegation that Mixon hit his daughter.

Anthony Hernandez, the father, previously wrote in a Facebook post that he knew "for a fact" that Mixon "threw" his daughter to the ground "and hit her" when the two were in high school. It was a charged allegation in lieu of Mixon's well-documented, caught-on-video outburst of violence against a woman in the summer of 2014. But Hernandez has now rescinded it. "I have recently learned that a comment I made about Joe Mixon on social media a few years ago is now receiving a lot of attention. I want to explain that comment and clarify that I do not believe Joe ever did anything to hurt my daughter," Hernandez wrote. "... I reacted emotionally. Unfortunately, I did so before I had all the facts. ... I realize that I was mistaken about Joe’s involvement." Hernandez now says a "minor disagreement" with classmates was "blown out of proportion." He also said his daughter is still friends with Mixon.

 
 
Source: NBC's Pro Football Talk 
Apr 19 - 1:24 PM
 
The father didn't bring up the story today. He wrote it on Facebook years ago because he was misinformed. He heard that his daughter had been thrown to the ground and hit by Mixon and made some conclusions based on "alternative facts".  He later found out the true story but for some reason didn't delete his old post.  The lawyer in the civil case by Molitor brought this post as proof that Mixon is a recurring threat to women.

The father has since stated that he was 100% wrong. Mixon was a close friend of the HS girl and that was part of why he was so shocked. He's very sorry for his post and is 100% sure that Mixon never hurt his daughter and said that his daughter and Mixon are still close friends.

This was a whole bunch of nothing based on a misunderstanding. The lawyer for Molitor was just trying to find any supporting evidence they could that Mixon shows a history of violence.  So, this story is a bunch of ####.

That said, he did still punch a woman in college and he shouldn't have done that.

 
On a more important topic, Mixon faced 8+ defenders in the box on... 6% of his carries! That's 1/10 as much as Fournette (67%).  Mixon shows a lot of shiftiness and has great ypc, but it's not as hard when facing off against less defenders.  I think his talent might be overblown. Don't think he's in the top 3 RBs at this time.

 
On a more important topic, Mixon faced 8+ defenders in the box on... 6% of his carries! That's 1/10 as much as Fournette (67%).  Mixon shows a lot of shiftiness and has great ypc, but it's not as hard when facing off against less defenders.  I think his talent might be overblown. Don't think he's in the top 3 RBs at this time.
Interesting statistic. Do you know what his YPC was on that 6% compared to others? 

I would disagree though that he's out of the top 3 RB talk... chances are good he ends up on a team that is already good (a team that is in dire need of a RB may not want the risk). 

So for example, if he ended up on GB do you think he'd face a lot of 8 men in the box? I sure hope so as a Packer fan! 
PIT?
DET? maybe... but I'd take my chances on Mixon beating me rather than Stafford

If he ends up on Jacksonville, then yeah sure he will likely fizzle if teams end up stacking the box. That can be said about most of the RBs in this class though. Gurley is a prime example of great talent but when teams stack the box he's not nearly as effective. 

Mixon is also a fairly decent receiver. One of the bigger counters to a defense putting 8 men in the box is to use the RB as a receiver 

It's a very very interesting statistic. Makes it even more important where he ends up in the draft. 

 
CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora doesn't anticipate Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon slipping past the Jaguars' selection at the top of Round 2.

There's a caveat. If Jacksonville takes Leonard Fournette in Round 1, La Canfora believes Mixon's floor will be either Minnesota's Round 2 pick at No. 48 or Cincinnati's slot two pick later at No. 50. This report runs contrary to Mike Florio's recent dispatch that two sources had told him that Mixon may fall to Day 3. Mixon could go anywhere from late-Rd. 1 to early-Rd. 4. That's as big a range of outcomes as any prospect in this year's class.

 
 
Source: CBS Sports 
Apr 19 - 2:32 PM
 
Or just, you know, not be a POS.
The hermit thing was because if he has nothing to do with something bad (at this point I don't think it even needs to be violence related) he's going to be guilty until proven otherwise. I think this story kind of makes that point. 

 
There's another thread to discuss his off field issues. How about we get back on track with analysis on this one?

Also, if you hate Mixon and 100% won't take him in fantasy on a moral standpoint, why even come to this thread?

 
According to Jimmy Kempski of the PhillyVoice, Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon "remains under consideration" for the Eagles.
Many teams have taken Mixon off their board entirely but apparently the Eagles aren't one of them. The Eagles are known to be targeting a running back in the draft and could take one as early as 14th overall. ProFootballTalk's Mike Florio reported that Mixon could fall later in the draft than expected. He was not invited to last month's Combine in Indianapolis.

Related: Eagles
 
Source: PhillyVoice.com 
Apr 19 - 5:40 PM

 
If Oakland takes him in the 1st (I'd be surprised) he would probably have the best rookie season of this year's class.

My bet right now is that he goes to the Bengals in round 2. They like taking players with baggage, and they could use an upgrade at the running back position. (This is under the assumption that Jags take a RB in the 1st)

 
If Oakland takes him in the 1st (I'd be surprised) he would probably have the best rookie season of this year's class.

My bet right now is that he goes to the Bengals in round 2. They like taking players with baggage, and they could use an upgrade at the running back position. (This is under the assumption that Jags take a RB in the 1st)
Raiders, Eagles, Packers he'd be the 1.01 pick, probably best rookie season of the class. 

Bengals he'd be a very intriguing option. 

 
Not a fan of the Packers RB. Aaron Rodgers throws too much inside the 10 for a running back to be dominant.
Agree, however if you look when GB had a good RB in Lacy his first 2 seasons, he averaged 10 TDs a season. That's pretty good. I'd argue that when they have a good RB they will use him. When they don't they know Rodgers can do it so they lean on him. 

 
The source of that article you posted is a good read, in fact McGinn's annual draft columns where he polls execs are always good reads.  You may have already posted it but here is that article: Mcginn on NFL RB's

From that article were this quotes on Mixon. I thought the AFC Exec 4th from the bottom made the most sense.

AFC executive: “How can you in our (large) market? How could you in any market take that guy early or in general? Off the board. Me, personally, I’d have a very hard time living with that.”

NFC executive: “I really think without the incident he’s a top-five pick. He’s probably going to go late first to mid-second. This guy’s just too talented. What he did was terrible. It was three years ago. He got suspended for a year. It’s not like he hasn’t paid a price. Since he did, he’s been fine. It will come down to the owner. I think a lot of owners will be very skeptical doing it. If I was in the 20s I’d take him.”

AFC executive: “He will not be on my board. Impulsive violence against a defenseless woman. I believe in forgiveness, but this is not a matter of forgiveness. It’s natural consequences for an action. I wish him well. ... Once you watch it you become a witness. I don’t need someone else telling me what happened. Maybe I don’t know all the circumstances before and after. A lot of times you’re not sure what really happened. This one, I saw it. He’s had some other times where he’s snapped. Not this heinous. I’ve got to look my wife in the eye. That’s not what I’m about.”

NFC executive: “I wouldn’t feel comfortable. You’re going to have to get up in front of a camera (if Mixon is drafted). If it’s on video now, you have no chance. But they swear by the kid at the school. He probably had too much to drink, but you can’t hit a girl. He won’t be on our board.”

NFC executive: “Off the board. Our guys went and talked to him. They said he was really good. Doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke. Just made a mistake when he was 18 and is paying for it.”

AFC executive: “To be determined. I’m going to pass on that. Some opinions I get paid for.”

AFC executive: “I am grading the guy as a player. The owner is the one that has to make the decision. There’s other people (football players) out there who have done much worse things. I don’t know what will happen, but I will bet you a team will draft him and he turns out to be a star. I don’t know how you’re going to justify it but if the guy goes out and scores touchdowns people are going to forget about it real quickly.”

NFC executive: “If your owner signs off on it then you go ahead and take him. We’re definitely not going down that road. Whether you take him in the first or the seventh, either you’re making a stand or you’re not. It’s not like some other incidents where drugs or this and that (affect) the value and the round. To me, this is you’re yes or no for him.”

AFC executive: “I did a lot of (expletive) when I was 18 that I’m not proud of but I never knocked out a girl. That’s just such a hot-button issue. I’m hearing too many things. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I don’t have the confidence in him to draft him. We can get another back. You may turn down a special guy but the special guy’s got risks. I couldn’t do it.”

AFC executive: “He’s got talent but he’s also been caught on video. I took him off the board.”

 
The source of that article you posted is a good read, in fact McGinn's annual draft columns where he polls execs are always good reads.
Interesting. McGinn took a lot of crap for reporting Lacy's weight at 267 by some forum goers. Many people trashed McGinn as a nothing writer. 

He writes amazing columns on the NFL. He's the one good thing the Milwaukee JS has going for them. 

Regarding the rest of your posting, I think there are going to be many many more teams with him off their board than any of us probably think. And I can see why. I may not agree with it, but it's easy to have the opinion I have when I don't have a multimillion dollar franchise to represent. 

 
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An NFL scout speaking with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel called Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon "Adrian Peterson who returns kicks" and a "bigger, better Ezekiel Elliott."

"He's my best back, by far," the scout said. Another scout likened Mixon's style of running to that of the Cardinals' David Johnson, telling the Journal Sentinel that "[t]his kid has power and speed, and he is really a quality receiver. He’s the type of guy you can leave on the field in pretty much any situation." Of course, none of these scouting quotes address Mixon's 2014 punching of a woman. When the outlet polled 11 NFL personnel executives, six said that they had scrubbed Mixon from their boards, period.

 
 
Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel 
Apr 20 - 6:22 PM
 
NFC executive: “I wouldn’t feel comfortable. You’re going to have to get up in front of a camera (if Mixon is drafted). If it’s on video now, you have no chance. But they swear by the kid at the school. He probably had too much to drink, but you can’t hit a girl. He won’t be on our board.”
Well, at least 1 team needs to do more research. He doesn't smoke or drink, so he doesn't really have an excuse, other than his allegations of repeated racism.

It sounds like Scouts love him and Execs are afraid of the backlash.  I bet he goes to the Bengals.

 

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