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RB Joe Mixon, HOU (1 Viewer)

FWIW, I have heard through a 4th hand source that GB is interested in Mixon. These scout's words are similar to what I've heard 

Hearing something 4th hand is 4th hand, so take it for what it's worth but it's more than cousins uncles friends barber's butcher lol.

A tweet from a while ago
I think if he's there at 29 they may very well consider taking him. 

They did bring Mixon in, and in years past they haven't really drafted anyone off their visitation log. So I highly doubt they take him. Wishful thinking for me, but I have heard good things coming out of GB regarding Mixon through people I know who have heard through other people close to the situation

 
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Interesting. McGinn took a lot of crap for reporting Lacy's weight at 267 by some forum goers. Many people trashed McGinn as a nothing writer. 

He writes amazing columns on the NFL. He's the one good thing the Milwaukee JS has going for them. 
Surprised  to hear McGinn is not appreciated by some Packer fans. He's an old school treasure chest of NFL knowledge and sources.

 
The source of that article you posted is a good read, in fact McGinn's annual draft columns where he polls execs are always good reads.  You may have already posted it but here is that article: Mcginn on NFL RB's

From that article were this quotes on Mixon. I thought the AFC Exec 4th from the bottom made the most sense.

AFC executive: “How can you in our (large) market? How could you in any market take that guy early or in general? Off the board. Me, personally, I’d have a very hard time living with that.”

NFC executive: “I really think without the incident he’s a top-five pick. He’s probably going to go late first to mid-second. This guy’s just too talented. What he did was terrible. It was three years ago. He got suspended for a year. It’s not like he hasn’t paid a price. Since he did, he’s been fine. It will come down to the owner. I think a lot of owners will be very skeptical doing it. If I was in the 20s I’d take him.”

AFC executive: “He will not be on my board. Impulsive violence against a defenseless woman. I believe in forgiveness, but this is not a matter of forgiveness. It’s natural consequences for an action. I wish him well. ... Once you watch it you become a witness. I don’t need someone else telling me what happened. Maybe I don’t know all the circumstances before and after. A lot of times you’re not sure what really happened. This one, I saw it. He’s had some other times where he’s snapped. Not this heinous. I’ve got to look my wife in the eye. That’s not what I’m about.”

NFC executive: “I wouldn’t feel comfortable. You’re going to have to get up in front of a camera (if Mixon is drafted). If it’s on video now, you have no chance. But they swear by the kid at the school. He probably had too much to drink, but you can’t hit a girl. He won’t be on our board.”

NFC executive: “Off the board. Our guys went and talked to him. They said he was really good. Doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke. Just made a mistake when he was 18 and is paying for it.”

AFC executive: “To be determined. I’m going to pass on that. Some opinions I get paid for.”

AFC executive: “I am grading the guy as a player. The owner is the one that has to make the decision. There’s other people (football players) out there who have done much worse things. I don’t know what will happen, but I will bet you a team will draft him and he turns out to be a star. I don’t know how you’re going to justify it but if the guy goes out and scores touchdowns people are going to forget about it real quickly.”

NFC executive: “If your owner signs off on it then you go ahead and take him. We’re definitely not going down that road. Whether you take him in the first or the seventh, either you’re making a stand or you’re not. It’s not like some other incidents where drugs or this and that (affect) the value and the round. To me, this is you’re yes or no for him.”

AFC executive: “I did a lot of (expletive) when I was 18 that I’m not proud of but I never knocked out a girl. That’s just such a hot-button issue. I’m hearing too many things. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I don’t have the confidence in him to draft him. We can get another back. You may turn down a special guy but the special guy’s got risks. I couldn’t do it.”

AFC executive: “He’s got talent but he’s also been caught on video. I took him off the board.”
A lot of executives on their high horse acting as if their current locker rooms are full of choir boys.  I wish their names could be attached because I bet half of those executives are out of a job within 1-2 years.

 
Rotoworld's Josh Norris, along with Eagles beat writers Jimmy Kempski and Jeff McLane, reported the team still has Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon on the board and have the green light to draft him if they want.
"I’ve heard the Saints, I’ve heard the Vikings have done a ton of homework, pro days and a visit as well, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Philadelphia Eagles, and the Oakland Raiders," Norris said when appearing on PFT Live on Wednesday. Ownership is critical in this decision, and each team with Mixon on the board would have to get ownership approval to pick him. McLane and Kempski both cited sources inside the building stating this was the case for Mixon. He is likely a round two target for a number of teams.

 
 
Source: Josh Norris on Twitter 
Apr 21 - 11:45 AM

 
A lot of executives on their high horse acting as if their current locker rooms are full of choir boys.  I wish their names could be attached because I bet half of those executives are out of a job within 1-2 years.
Yea but at least a few of them said it was not their choice so I get it with them.

The one that got me was the AFC exec guy who threw out the line about looking his wife in the eye and that was just not what I'm about. Really? First off it's not about what you are about, it's actually not about you at all.  And if your wife has a problem with it you look her in the eye and ask her if she likes her lifestyle.

I got a personal problem with condescending people but especially those who say you should get a second chance but won't give you one. I got fired from my first job after college for accepting illegal kickbacks. Won't bore everyone with details but was advised wrong and truly had no idea what I was doing was wrong but I 100%  did it and was very forthcoming about it on my job interviews.  Got a call from an ex-employee of mine who told me he had informed his boss about me and she wanted to hire me. I met her, she extended a job offer to me on the spot and I told her the next day I'd take it after weighing it against two other offers.  They told me to come in for a drug test and to fill out paperwork and when I did they said a member of  upper management wanted to speak to me first. I thought it was going to be good news. I meet this older gentleman and he tells me he heard the details of how I got fired but wanted to hear me tell it. So I tell it, same way I told it to the lady who hired me the day before,  and I'll never forget old dude casually getting up from his desk as soon as I done talking, walked over to me and put his hand on my shoulder and said, "son, you deserve a second chance,  but it won't be with me" and literally showed me the door. Sorry for long winded personal story but I despise people like that.  I wish I knew who some of these people were as well so I could root against them.

 
Rotoworld's Josh Norris, along with Eagles beat writers Jimmy Kempski and Jeff McLane, reported the team still has Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon on the board and have the green light to draft him if they want.
"I’ve heard the Saints, I’ve heard the Vikings have done a ton of homework, pro days and a visit as well, the Cincinnati Bengals, the Philadelphia Eagles, and the Oakland Raiders," Norris said when appearing on PFT Live on Wednesday. Ownership is critical in this decision, and each team with Mixon on the board would have to get ownership approval to pick him. McLane and Kempski both cited sources inside the building stating this was the case for Mixon. He is likely a round two target for a number of teams.
I see my future. A week from tonight I'll be  glued to my TV/twitter when the draft starts hoping like mad that Eagles, Raiders or Saints jump the Bengals pick at 2.9.  This is a team that won't even cut Adam Jones. Some say he could go undrafted or they would not be surprised if he falls to middle rounds. I'm saying right now I'm surprised if he lasts past pick 41.

 
I see my future. A week from tonight I'll be  glued to my TV/twitter when the draft starts hoping like mad that Eagles, Raiders or Saints jump the Bengals pick at 2.9.  This is a team that won't even cut Adam Jones. Some say he could go undrafted or they would not be surprised if he falls to middle rounds. I'm saying right now I'm surprised if he lasts past pick 41.
I'm with you. I think there is a 50-50 chance he goes before Dalvin Cook. Could easily see 4 RB's in round 1, especially with teams like Green Bay, New Orleans and Kansas City picking at the end of round 1 and needing to add another RB.

 
A lot of executives on their high horse acting as if their current locker rooms are full of choir boys.  I wish their names could be attached because I bet half of those executives are out of a job within 1-2 years.
Half of them are probably throwing out misinformation.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
A lot of executives on their high horse acting as if their current locker rooms are full of choir boys.  I wish their names could be attached because I bet half of those executives are out of a job within 1-2 years.


Odd statement.  This has very little to do with being on a "high horse" and everything to do with business men acutely aware of their market and their ownership.  Third from the bottom hit it spot on.

And if you think there isn't a portion of your constituency that will relentlessly pursue whomever drafts this guy, I have to ask where you've been the last 50 years.  There has been some doggedly determined and unflinching activism going on, to the point of outright moonbat irrational behavior to support a position.

Yeah, be the GM that reaches out for Mixon and then have him slip just one iota any time after that pick - your job is done.  Mixon has shown he has a short fuse in more than just the one occasion, and if you think some people aren't going to be dogging him enough to trip it for an extended period after he's drafted, you're nuts.  I don't care if he runs for 2000 yds his rookie year - all its going to take is that one little slip when some zealous believer gets in his face relentlessly in public and his trigger trips.  It may even be an instance where a typical person would be well within their rights to get after his tormentor.  Mixon won't get the benefit of the doubt.  Not after that tape.  And neither will the GM who picks him.

This won't be a case where a player screws up royally and you didn't see it coming.  This is being the guy who selected Mixon knowing the viral tape is out on him and then praying he literally does behave like a choir boy for the rest of his career, as well as constantly being bombarded with the sideshow non-football stuff from the activists.  If I'm a GM, I let someone else take that on.  I like my career, thanks and Mixon isn't the only good player in the draft.

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menobrown said:
I'll never forget old dude casually getting up from his desk as soon as I done talking, walked over to me and put his hand on my shoulder and said, "son, you deserve a second chance,  but it won't be with me" and literally showed me the door. Sorry for long winded personal story but I despise people like that.  I wish I knew who some of these people were as well so I could root against them.


So the guy believed you deserved a second chance and you couldn't convince him that you were worth the risk?

Sounds like you're blaming the wrong person.

 
Odd statement.  This has very little to do with being on a "high horse" and everything to do with business men acutely aware of their market and their ownership.  Third from the bottom hit it spot on.

And if you think there isn't a portion of your constituency that will relentlessly pursue whomever drafts this guy, I have to ask where you've been the last 50 years.  There has been some doggedly determined and unflinching activism going on, to the point of outright moonbat irrational behavior to support a position.

Yeah, be the GM that reaches out for Mixon and then have him slip just one iota any time after that pick - your job is done.  Mixon has shown he has a short fuse in more than just the one occasion, and if you think some people aren't going to be dogging him enough to trip it for an extended period after he's drafted, you're nuts.  I don't care if he runs for 2000 yds his rookie year - all its going to take is that one little slip when some zealous believer gets in his face relentlessly in public and his trigger trips.  It may even be an instance where a typical person would be well within their rights to get after his tormentor.  Mixon won't get the benefit of the doubt.  Not after that tape.  And neither will the GM who picks him.

This won't be a case where a player screws up royally and you didn't see it coming.  This is being the guy who selected Mixon knowing the viral tape is out on him and then praying he literally does behave like a choir boy for the rest of his career, as well as constantly being bombarded with the sideshow non-football stuff from the activists.  If I'm a GM, I let someone else take that on.  I like my career, thanks and Mixon isn't the only good player in the draft.
This is the clearest explanation I've seen for passing on him.  I honestly don't know what I'd do as an executive, if I'd take him off my board entirely, or slide him down far enough I'd only take him if he really slipped, or just take him as soon as it's clear he's the best guy, but this is a good argument for taking him off entirely. 

 
Seriously? :rolleyes:


Yeah, seriously. :rolleyes:

You think the older executive had nothing better to do with his time?  Maybe just lead him on so he could laugh about it with his other "old dude" buddies over martinis?  He probably brought the guy up there to hear his story, likely to try to find a reason why he should hire him despite his previous transgressions - which are self admittedly egregious even though he still doesn't own them.  The "old dude" was likely unconvinced, and if offered the same story we heard here, frankly understandably so.

I could obviously be wrong, but I'm guessing that the "old dude" was willing to provide an opportunity if there was a good reason why he should if he was willing to sit and hear out the story, and then be empathetic afterwards.

 
Yeah, seriously. :rolleyes:

You think the older executive had nothing better to do with his time?  Maybe just lead him on so he could laugh about it with his other "old dude" buddies over martinis?  He probably brought the guy up there to hear his story, likely to try to find a reason why he should hire him despite his previous transgressions - which are self admittedly egregious even though he still doesn't own them.  The "old dude" was likely unconvinced, and if offered the same story we heard here, frankly understandably so.

I could obviously be wrong, but I'm guessing that the "old dude" was willing to provide an opportunity if there was a good reason why he should if he was willing to sit and hear out the story, and then be empathetic afterwards.
You're an odd one.

 
"Our goal is to win football games, and the ####### nutcases who support this team will forgive absolutely anything if we make a deep run into the playoffs", is what every right-thinking talent scout should be pleading to their upper management.

 
Odd statement.  This has very little to do with being on a "high horse" and everything to do with business men acutely aware of their market and their ownership.  Third from the bottom hit it spot on.

And if you think there isn't a portion of your constituency that will relentlessly pursue whomever drafts this guy, I have to ask where you've been the last 50 years.  There has been some doggedly determined and unflinching activism going on, to the point of outright moonbat irrational behavior to support a position.

Yeah, be the GM that reaches out for Mixon and then have him slip just one iota any time after that pick - your job is done.  Mixon has shown he has a short fuse in more than just the one occasion, and if you think some people aren't going to be dogging him enough to trip it for an extended period after he's drafted, you're nuts.  I don't care if he runs for 2000 yds his rookie year - all its going to take is that one little slip when some zealous believer gets in his face relentlessly in public and his trigger trips.  It may even be an instance where a typical person would be well within their rights to get after his tormentor.  Mixon won't get the benefit of the doubt.  Not after that tape.  And neither will the GM who picks him.

This won't be a case where a player screws up royally and you didn't see it coming.  This is being the guy who selected Mixon knowing the viral tape is out on him and then praying he literally does behave like a choir boy for the rest of his career, as well as constantly being bombarded with the sideshow non-football stuff from the activists.  If I'm a GM, I let someone else take that on.  I like my career, thanks and Mixon isn't the only good player in the draft.
I think you are really overstating this. If a team drafts Mixon and he leads the league in rushing, then gets in trouble again, that GM is highly unlikely to get fired. That isn't even remotely true, especially since its not like you'd have to take Mixon #1 overall. 1 elite season followed by nothing is better than a lot of first round picks end up being. 

Any GM who passes on Mixon because they are afraid they'll get fired if he gets in trouble should be fired right now. That is how bad teams stay bad, with cowardly front offices. If the thought is we don't want a high pick who we don't trust to finish his rookie deal, then fine, but if it is actually out of fear for their own job, that is embarrassing.

If I were a GM, I'd take Mixon in round 2 without a second thought, possibly round 1, if I'd met with him and if that meeting had assured me in some way that he had matured since the incident.

 
I think you are really overstating this. If a team drafts Mixon and he leads the league in rushing, then gets in trouble again, that GM is highly unlikely to get fired. That isn't even remotely true, especially since its not like you'd have to take Mixon #1 overall. 1 elite season followed by nothing is better than a lot of first round picks end up being. 

Any GM who passes on Mixon because they are afraid they'll get fired if he gets in trouble should be fired right now. That is how bad teams stay bad, with cowardly front offices. If the thought is we don't want a high pick who we don't trust to finish his rookie deal, then fine, but if it is actually out of fear for their own job, that is embarrassing.

If I were a GM, I'd take Mixon in round 2 without a second thought, possibly round 1, if I'd met with him and if that meeting had assured me in some way that he had matured since the incident.


Well, all it takes is one GM willing to take on the risk.  And it could pay off well.  That doesn't mean the risk isn't real.

 
I'm just offering an alternative explanation to the one you created.  it's just a matter of putting ones self in the other person's shoes and seeing it from their perspective.  It's up to you whether you consider it or not.
You're completely making stuff up and calling him a liar.

 
Odd statement.  This has very little to do with being on a "high horse" and everything to do with business men acutely aware of their market and their ownership.  Third from the bottom hit it spot on.

And if you think there isn't a portion of your constituency that will relentlessly pursue whomever drafts this guy, I have to ask where you've been the last 50 years.  There has been some doggedly determined and unflinching activism going on, to the point of outright moonbat irrational behavior to support a position.

Yeah, be the GM that reaches out for Mixon and then have him slip just one iota any time after that pick - your job is done.  Mixon has shown he has a short fuse in more than just the one occasion, and if you think some people aren't going to be dogging him enough to trip it for an extended period after he's drafted, you're nuts.  I don't care if he runs for 2000 yds his rookie year - all its going to take is that one little slip when some zealous believer gets in his face relentlessly in public and his trigger trips.  It may even be an instance where a typical person would be well within their rights to get after his tormentor.  Mixon won't get the benefit of the doubt.  Not after that tape.  And neither will the GM who picks him.

This won't be a case where a player screws up royally and you didn't see it coming.  This is being the guy who selected Mixon knowing the viral tape is out on him and then praying he literally does behave like a choir boy for the rest of his career, as well as constantly being bombarded with the sideshow non-football stuff from the activists.  If I'm a GM, I let someone else take that on.  I like my career, thanks and Mixon isn't the only good player in the draft.

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Good points. If Mixon screws up then it all comes down on a GM. The owner/pres is going to deflect blame (and can't be fired) and the HC is probably going to do the same.

However, if I'm a GM, it all depends on my situation. A long tendered guy or have a bunch of recent success, I probably stay away from Mixon.

If I'm a guy that's "on the hot seat" I take him at the bottom of grading tier he is at. If he screws up, I fall on the sword but I was liking heading that way anyways. If I can two seasons of team improvement before I get canned, I don't think anyone will hold the Mixon pick against me in future jobs. This also assuming that I think Mixon is A) a stud player and B) enough to push my offence to the next level. The Browns and 9ers for example are so far away that what's the point? I need those picks for other positions. Jacksonville though... Take the best non-RB player at 4 then come back and get Mixon in the second. 

 
I really like Baltimore as a potential fit for Mixon. A Mixon, Dixon, Woodhead trio could be a major headache for opposing defenses.

 
I would think Ray Rice would make this an impossible scenario.
I view those as entirely different things(and also think they shouldn't have dumped Rice when they did) Mixon was a teenager when he did his act, Rice was a 20 something adult, and I think that should matter. Also, Rice's was much worse i thought, becaue the punching wasn't the only part that got Rice in trouble, it was the video of him dragging her knocked out body around and then lying about it that was the biggest problem.

Alas, you are probably correct though, that they will pass for that reason.

 
I view those as entirely different things(and also think they shouldn't have dumped Rice when they did) Mixon was a teenager when he did his act, Rice was a 20 something adult, and I think that should matter. Also, Rice's was much worse i thought, becaue the punching wasn't the only part that got Rice in trouble, it was the video of him dragging her knocked out body around and then lying about it that was the biggest problem.

Alas, you are probably correct though, that they will pass for that reason.
I don't disagree with you I just have a feeling that's now how the Ravens would see it.

 
However, if I'm a GM, it all depends on my situation. A long tendered guy or have a bunch of recent success, I probably stay away from Mixon.

If I'm a guy that's "on the hot seat" I take him at the bottom of grading tier he is at. If he screws up, I fall on the sword but I was liking heading that way anyways. If I can two seasons of team improvement before I get canned, I don't think anyone will hold the Mixon pick against me in future jobs. This also assuming that I think Mixon is A) a stud player and B) enough to push my offence to the next level. The Browns and 9ers for example are so far away that what's the point? I need those picks for other positions. Jacksonville though... Take the best non-RB player at 4 then come back and get Mixon in the second. 
It's the opposite for me. If a team like New England or Green Bay takes him, they can play the, "Look, we know it's a risk, but we're comfortable taking it" route and not be crucified for because they've been so successful. They can absorb the risk pretty well and if he flops it will be quickly forgotten. If you are on the hot seat for a losing team though, you don't really have the luxury of taking the chance. It might be the pick that costs you your job.

Anyway, I'm sure someone will take a chance on Mixon in the first few rounds as long as they think the attack was more or less an isolated incident.

 
Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline passes along that the Bengals "would be more apt to select [Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon] in the second round" now that he has settled his civil suit.

Mixon's draft process has been dogged by his punching a woman in the summer of 2014. He settled the civil suit last week, though, which clears the air at least a tiny smidge for the controversial back. At pick No. 41 in the second round, the Bengals are a team that has been broached as a potential Mixon draft home for some time. The Eagles, Vikings and Raiders have also been linked to him in heavy dose.

 
 
Source: Draft Analyst 
Apr 24 - 2:38 PM
 
Jets GM Mike Maccagnon offered a strong hint that the team will not be targeting Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon due to his past assault case.
"We vet this stuff as thoroughly as we can," Maccagnon said, later adding that "I'd rather make sure we focus on players that are good players and ideally good people and good members of our society." Presumably, Mixon is now off the Jets' board, though it should probably be noted that Maccagnon never explicitly stated that Mixon was off the table. If he is, the Jets are not alone on that front. Six of 11 NFL personnel executives polled by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel said that they had scrubbed Mixon completely. Even with his very highly-publicized case scaring multiple teams off, it would be a surprise if he is not drafted by the end of Day 2.

 
 
Source: New York Daily News 
Apr 24 - 6:49 PM

 
Eliot Shorr-Parks of NJ Advance Media reports the Eagles are "very interested" in Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon.

The report came on the same day Jets GM Mike Maccagnan made it clear his team is not interested in taking Mixon because of his off-field past, highlighting the disparity of opinion throughout the league. Mixon only needs one team to take the plunge, however, and it is possible the Eagles are that organization. The running back has also been linked with the Vikings, Bengals, and Raiders.

Related: EaglesRaidersVikingsBengals
 
Source: NJ Advance Media 
Apr 25 - 9:27 AM
 
Andy Dufresne said:
A team with Freeman & Coleman (and memories of Mike Vick) won't draft Mixon?

That's a stretch. 
Yep.  Also liked how the Patriots said it when there was not much of any chance he would be there for their first pick in the draft, in the third round.  Way to go out on a limb, Bill!

 
Andy Dufresne said:
A team with Freeman & Coleman (and memories of Mike Vick) won't draft Mixon?

That's a stretch. 


Rookie_Whisperer said:
Good. With Freeman and Coleman, there is no room for a RB there.  Total waste for any RB to end up there from this class.
Captain Obvious, Arthur Blank has spoken.

 
WalterFootball's Charlie Campbell reports that the Packers are extremely interested in Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon and might even take him in Round 1.
The Packers were one of the teams that hosted Mixon for a pre-Draft visit, along with the Bengals, Broncos, Jaguars, Saints, Raiders, and Buccaneers. We're still thinking that Mixon will drop into Round 2, but at this point, late-Round 1 is very much in play.

 
 
Source: Walter Football 
Apr 26 - 2:48 PM

 
MMQB's Peter King reports that Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon as "garnered the most interest" from Cincinnati, Minnesota, Green Bay and Jacksonville.

"I won’t be surprised to see the Bengals take Mixon with the 41st overall pick," King added. "Owner Mike Brown has taken chances in the past on players with off-field issues, leaving it to the coaching staff to keep those players in line." Each of these teams has hosted Mixon for a visit. If Mixon is to sneak into Rd. 1, Green Bay, picking near the end of Thursday night's festivities, looks to be his best shot.

 
 
Source: MMQB 
Apr 27 - 2:13 PM
 
Yahoo Sports' Benjamin Allbright believes that the Broncos would be willing to trade up to select Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon.
The Broncos won't be on the clock in the second round until pick No. 51. There is a solid chance that Mixon will not be available at that slot. The Packers (No. 33), Bengals (No. 41), Eagles (No. 43) and Vikings (No. 48) are among the teams selecting ahead of Denver that have been linked to Mixon during the process, with Walter Football's Charlie Campbell reporting earlier this week that the Packers -- who traded out of the first round on Thursday -- are extremely interested in the controversial Oklahoma back.

 
 
Source: Benjamin Allbright on Twitter 
Apr 28 - 1:40 PM

 

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