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RB Joe Mixon, HOU (4 Viewers)

I think he's going to have a lousy year. Not everyone is going to meet or exceed projections. I think he's in for a bad time. From what I recall, that o-line didn't block that well last year. Damien Pierce averaged 2.9 YPC after averaging 4.3 YPC the year before. You could probably average 2.9 YPC if you tried your hardest, lol.

That to me is reason to be concerned that a guy who was traded for a 7th rounder is going to come in and change life in Houston. Damien Pierce didn't just somehow get worse. Devin Singletary had the worst YPC in his career behind that o-line last year. I don't know if they did anything to improve their o-line, but both Houston RB had the lowest YPC of their careers last year behind that line and Joe Mixon averaged a ho, hum 4.0 YPC in Cincinatti. If I am wrong, please correct me, but it would seem to me that Joe Mixon is going to be dragged into some kind of YPC blackhole in Houston.


The passing game should be good and there may be ample redzone opportunities which I would expect Mixon to be the guy. If he score 8 - 10 touchdowns, then it won't matter if he only averages 3.6 YPC, right? I just don't think the 7th Round Pick he was traded for is going to show up and change life. I would pencil him into do exactly what Singletary did last year, with potentially more touches. Where that puts him relative to his ADP, I don't know because he is firmly on my DND list.

What does a 7th round pick matter with production on the field?

Generally speaking, there is a correlation between talent and draft pick compensation.

A 7th round pick is about as low as it gets without cutting a player outright. When the league says they'd rather cut a guy or have a useless 7th rounder for him, it usually means that the road is coming to an end for that player. Texans are only paying $5,000,000 for this guy this year and Bengals didn't even want to pay that. The guy they took in the 2nd Round they decided they would rather ship away for a 7th Rounder than pay $5,000,000.


Dalvin Cook in New York is a good parallel. Everyone was telling me until they were blue in the face that Cook only got cut due to not wanting to take a pay cut and that he was "still a good RB". Then he hits the field and it's revealed that the old RB had lost a step and was totally cashed.

Surely you understand cap considerations.

Surely you understand that a team that has an up and coming, relatively cheap player like Chase Brown might cut a better but much more cap expensive veteran player in his twilight years for nothing... in which case a 7th round pick is better.

Surely you understand that situation -- cutting/trading such a veteran player -- does not necessarily reflect on his ability to be productive for another team.

Right?

What would make you think I don't understand that? And don't call me Shirley. :lol:

Well, great. Then you understand that "there is correlation between talent and draft pick compensation" isn't fully representing the situation. Which implies you shouldn't have suggested it does. :shrug:
I'm confused. Don't more talented players get traded for higher draft pick compensation? Isn't that the definition of correlation?

The most talent players get traded for first round picks if not multiple first rounders. The least talented players go for 7th round picks or get cut outright. This is called correlation. The more talented a player is, the more a team will be willing to give up to acquire him.

What does "isn't fully representing the situation" mean to you? Given everything I already wrote, it is obvious that age, cap hit, and ready replacements were a factor in addition to performance. I realize that doesn't fit your oversimplified narrative (only 7th round pick compensation = he's done).

Are you trying to have a good faith conversation here?
 
I think he's going to have a lousy year. Not everyone is going to meet or exceed projections. I think he's in for a bad time. From what I recall, that o-line didn't block that well last year. Damien Pierce averaged 2.9 YPC after averaging 4.3 YPC the year before. You could probably average 2.9 YPC if you tried your hardest, lol.

That to me is reason to be concerned that a guy who was traded for a 7th rounder is going to come in and change life in Houston. Damien Pierce didn't just somehow get worse. Devin Singletary had the worst YPC in his career behind that o-line last year. I don't know if they did anything to improve their o-line, but both Houston RB had the lowest YPC of their careers last year behind that line and Joe Mixon averaged a ho, hum 4.0 YPC in Cincinatti. If I am wrong, please correct me, but it would seem to me that Joe Mixon is going to be dragged into some kind of YPC blackhole in Houston.


The passing game should be good and there may be ample redzone opportunities which I would expect Mixon to be the guy. If he score 8 - 10 touchdowns, then it won't matter if he only averages 3.6 YPC, right? I just don't think the 7th Round Pick he was traded for is going to show up and change life. I would pencil him into do exactly what Singletary did last year, with potentially more touches. Where that puts him relative to his ADP, I don't know because he is firmly on my DND list.

What does a 7th round pick matter with production on the field?

Generally speaking, there is a correlation between talent and draft pick compensation.

A 7th round pick is about as low as it gets without cutting a player outright. When the league says they'd rather cut a guy or have a useless 7th rounder for him, it usually means that the road is coming to an end for that player. Texans are only paying $5,000,000 for this guy this year and Bengals didn't even want to pay that. The guy they took in the 2nd Round they decided they would rather ship away for a 7th Rounder than pay $5,000,000.


Dalvin Cook in New York is a good parallel. Everyone was telling me until they were blue in the face that Cook only got cut due to not wanting to take a pay cut and that he was "still a good RB". Then he hits the field and it's revealed that the old RB had lost a step and was totally cashed.

Surely you understand cap considerations.

Surely you understand that a team that has an up and coming, relatively cheap player like Chase Brown might cut a better but much more cap expensive veteran player in his twilight years for nothing... in which case a 7th round pick is better.

Surely you understand that situation -- cutting/trading such a veteran player -- does not necessarily reflect on his ability to be productive for another team.

Right?

What would make you think I don't understand that? And don't call me Shirley. :lol:

Well, great. Then you understand that "there is correlation between talent and draft pick compensation" isn't fully representing the situation. Which implies you shouldn't have suggested it does. :shrug:
I'm confused. Don't more talented players get traded for higher draft pick compensation? Isn't that the definition of correlation?

The most talent players get traded for first round picks if not multiple first rounders. The least talented players go for 7th round picks or get cut outright. This is called correlation. The more talented a player is, the more a team will be willing to give up to acquire him.

What does "isn't fully representing the situation" mean to you? Given everything I already wrote, it is obvious that age, cap hit, and ready replacements were a factor in addition to performance. I realize that doesn't fit your oversimplified narrative (only 7th round pick compensation = he's done).

Are you trying to have a good faith conversation here?

Not me. I'm trying to have fun. I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers. I hope you have a special day.
 
What are your thoughts on Akers ? Some saying he looks good again. Will he end up the RB2? Should I be trying to aquire him now to back up/cuff Mixon?
I just caught his Ram touches

Looks pretty good to me. Watching that, I didn't think Mixon was in trouble, I thought Pierce might oughta be checking the rearview, tho.
I never saw but I did hear Akers was looking a bit better than he had the 2 year previous. still, there is better to allow you to have a role on the team, and then there is better to a point where you are unseating the starter. I've not heard any buzz to that extent. I think he may carve out a nice backup role for himself. wouldnt surprise me to hear this in the coming days or weeks
 
Mixon ranked 24 overall in my ESPN league. On the 2/3 turn I just can't do it.

Cinci didn't have any interest.

At the 2/3 turn I'd rather take my chances on Cook or Achane. Just think Mixon's ceiling has collapsed.

If he was around in the 4th round? Maybe.

And also, whenever Mixon gets dinged you have to deal with the non updates from Ben Baby. More aggravation than upside.
On Yahoo PPR right now Mixon's ADP is mid 4th and Sleeper it is 5th. I have yet to see Mixon go in the 2nd round or close to the 2/3 turn.
 
Mixon ranked 24 overall in my ESPN league. On the 2/3 turn I just can't do it.

Cinci didn't have any interest.

At the 2/3 turn I'd rather take my chances on Cook or Achane. Just think Mixon's ceiling has collapsed.

If he was around in the 4th round? Maybe.

And also, whenever Mixon gets dinged you have to deal with the non updates from Ben Baby. More aggravation than upside.
On Yahoo PPR right now Mixon's ADP is mid 4th and Sleeper it is 5th. I have yet to see Mixon go in the 2nd round or close to the 2/3 turn.
yeah hes undervalued based on ADP. good news is, if you are targetting him, the ADP reports and lower ranking by the publications will keep a lot of people away from Mixon.
 
Guy I'm really torn on, yes opportunity is there and they don't really have anyone else decent, no up and coming rookie, on the other hand he's on his last legs but can he squeek out one more good season, hard to say.
 
I can't imagine the sample size of a 28 year old painfully avg RB with 1800 touches worth of tread off the tires going to another team to be the bellcow has a particularly high success rate.
Right? 28yr old Dalvin Cook to the 2023 Jets with 1,600 touches says hi.
2014 NYJ Chris Johnson also says hi. He was 28 at the time, coming off a 1,000 yard season with the Titans.
Ugh and 2019 NYJ Lev Bell. And to an extent 2016 NYJ Matt Forte.
#### maybe I'm just riddled with PTSD as a Jets fan.
 
I can't imagine the sample size of a 28 year old painfully avg RB with 1800 touches worth of tread off the tires going to another team to be the bellcow has a particularly high success rate.
And 28 yo Jamal Lewis put up 1300 yards for Cleveland @4.4 ypc after leaving Baltimore
Corey Dillon put up 1738-13, at age 30 for NE, coming off a season where he lost the Bengals starting job to Rudi Johnson.

Mark Ingram put up a 1265-15 season at age 30 for Baltimore after leaving NO.

DeMarco Murray put up a 1664-12 season at age 28 for the Titans after looking used up in Philly.

Stephen Davis put up 1603-8 at age 29 for Carolina, after having 3 straight declining seasons in Washington.

DeAngelo Williams was a league winner who put up 1274-11 in Pittsburgh (in essentially 10 games after Bell got hurt) at age 32, after losing the Carolina job to Jonathan Stewart.

Willis McGahee went for 1250-5 at age 30 for Denver, after being run out of Baltimore.

Those are all examples from since I've been playing FF. If I had to make a comp, Mixon feels closest to Ingram ability wise.
 
I can't imagine the sample size of a 28 year old painfully avg RB with 1800 touches worth of tread off the tires going to another team to be the bellcow has a particularly high success rate.
And 28 yo Jamal Lewis put up 1300 yards for Cleveland @4.4 ypc after leaving Baltimore
Corey Dillon put up 1738-13, at age 30 for NE, coming off a season where he lost the Bengals starting job to Rudi Johnson.

Mark Ingram put up a 1265-15 season at age 30 for Baltimore after leaving NO.

DeMarco Murray put up a 1664-12 season at age 28 for the Titans after looking used up in Philly.

Stephen Davis put up 1603-8 at age 29 for Carolina, after having 3 straight declining seasons in Washington.

DeAngelo Williams was a league winner who put up 1274-11 in Pittsburgh (in essentially 10 games after Bell got hurt) at age 32, after losing the Carolina job to Jonathan Stewart.

Willis McGahee went for 1250-5 at age 30 for Denver, after being run out of Baltimore.

Those are all examples from since I've been playing FF. If I had to make a comp, Mixon feels closest to Ingram ability wise.
Much more robust list than I would have expected and bodes well for Mixon with regards to real world examples. I just can't shake the fact that he sucks out of my mind. But I probably felt that way about all of these guys leading up their first transplanted season.
 
I can't imagine the sample size of a 28 year old painfully avg RB with 1800 touches worth of tread off the tires going to another team to be the bellcow has a particularly high success rate.
And 28 yo Jamal Lewis put up 1300 yards for Cleveland @4.4 ypc after leaving Baltimore
Corey Dillon put up 1738-13, at age 30 for NE, coming off a season where he lost the Bengals starting job to Rudi Johnson.

Mark Ingram put up a 1265-15 season at age 30 for Baltimore after leaving NO.

DeMarco Murray put up a 1664-12 season at age 28 for the Titans after looking used up in Philly.

Stephen Davis put up 1603-8 at age 29 for Carolina, after having 3 straight declining seasons in Washington.

DeAngelo Williams was a league winner who put up 1274-11 in Pittsburgh (in essentially 10 games after Bell got hurt) at age 32, after losing the Carolina job to Jonathan Stewart.

Willis McGahee went for 1250-5 at age 30 for Denver, after being run out of Baltimore.

Those are all examples from since I've been playing FF. If I had to make a comp, Mixon feels closest to Ingram ability wise.
Much more robust list than I would have expected and bodes well for Mixon with regards to real world examples. I just can't shake the fact that he sucks out of my mind. But I probably felt that way about all of these guys leading up their first transplanted season.
I am sure there are dozens and dozens of examples of it not working out but, I'm with you. He's probably undervalued.
 
I can't imagine the sample size of a 28 year old painfully avg RB with 1800 touches worth of tread off the tires going to another team to be the bellcow has a particularly high success rate.
And 28 yo Jamal Lewis put up 1300 yards for Cleveland @4.4 ypc after leaving Baltimore
Corey Dillon put up 1738-13, at age 30 for NE, coming off a season where he lost the Bengals starting job to Rudi Johnson.

Mark Ingram put up a 1265-15 season at age 30 for Baltimore after leaving NO.

DeMarco Murray put up a 1664-12 season at age 28 for the Titans after looking used up in Philly.

Stephen Davis put up 1603-8 at age 29 for Carolina, after having 3 straight declining seasons in Washington.

DeAngelo Williams was a league winner who put up 1274-11 in Pittsburgh (in essentially 10 games after Bell got hurt) at age 32, after losing the Carolina job to Jonathan Stewart.

Willis McGahee went for 1250-5 at age 30 for Denver, after being run out of Baltimore.

Those are all examples from since I've been playing FF. If I had to make a comp, Mixon feels closest to Ingram ability wise.
I didn't think Mixon actually looked like he lost a step last year though. RB6 in PPR.

Could be a miss in Houston, but could also get a lot more goal line opportunities. I don't think there are a lot of guys you're drafting around his ADP with his upside.
 
Great examples, shows what a fresh start can do for a "declining" RB. A younger but more recent example would be David Montgomery, who a year ago was declared a bum before switching from Chicago to Detroit. Even sharing a backfield with the great Gibbs he put up career numbers in TDs and YPC.
 
I think he's going to have a lousy year. Not everyone is going to meet or exceed projections. I think he's in for a bad time. From what I recall, that o-line didn't block that well last year. Damien Pierce averaged 2.9 YPC after averaging 4.3 YPC the year before. You could probably average 2.9 YPC if you tried your hardest, lol.

That to me is reason to be concerned that a guy who was traded for a 7th rounder is going to come in and change life in Houston. Damien Pierce didn't just somehow get worse. Devin Singletary had the worst YPC in his career behind that o-line last year. I don't know if they did anything to improve their o-line, but both Houston RB had the lowest YPC of their careers last year behind that line and Joe Mixon averaged a ho, hum 4.0 YPC in Cincinatti. If I am wrong, please correct me, but it would seem to me that Joe Mixon is going to be dragged into some kind of YPC blackhole in Houston.


The passing game should be good and there may be ample redzone opportunities which I would expect Mixon to be the guy. If he score 8 - 10 touchdowns, then it won't matter if he only averages 3.6 YPC, right? I just don't think the 7th Round Pick he was traded for is going to show up and change life. I would pencil him into do exactly what Singletary did last year, with potentially more touches. Where that puts him relative to his ADP, I don't know because he is firmly on my DND list.

What does a 7th round pick matter with production on the field?

Generally speaking, there is a correlation between talent and draft pick compensation.

A 7th round pick is about as low as it gets without cutting a player outright. When the league says they'd rather cut a guy or have a useless 7th rounder for him, it usually means that the road is coming to an end for that player. Texans are only paying $5,000,000 for this guy this year and Bengals didn't even want to pay that. The guy they took in the 2nd Round they decided they would rather ship away for a 7th Rounder than pay $5,000,000.


Dalvin Cook in New York is a good parallel. Everyone was telling me until they were blue in the face that Cook only got cut due to not wanting to take a pay cut and that he was "still a good RB". Then he hits the field and it's revealed that the old RB had lost a step and was totally cashed.

Surely you understand cap considerations.

Surely you understand that a team that has an up and coming, relatively cheap player like Chase Brown might cut a better but much more cap expensive veteran player in his twilight years for nothing... in which case a 7th round pick is better.

Surely you understand that situation -- cutting/trading such a veteran player -- does not necessarily reflect on his ability to be productive for another team.

Right?
They did not move on from Mixon over money.
I can't imagine the sample size of a 28 year old painfully avg RB with 1800 touches worth of tread off the tires going to another team to be the bellcow has a particularly high success rate.
And 28 yo Jamal Lewis put up 1300 yards for Cleveland @4.4 ypc after leaving Baltimore
Corey Dillon put up 1738-13, at age 30 for NE, coming off a season where he lost the Bengals starting job to Rudi Johnson.

Mark Ingram put up a 1265-15 season at age 30 for Baltimore after leaving NO.

DeMarco Murray put up a 1664-12 season at age 28 for the Titans after looking used up in Philly.

Stephen Davis put up 1603-8 at age 29 for Carolina, after having 3 straight declining seasons in Washington.

DeAngelo Williams was a league winner who put up 1274-11 in Pittsburgh (in essentially 10 games after Bell got hurt) at age 32, after losing the Carolina job to Jonathan Stewart.

Willis McGahee went for 1250-5 at age 30 for Denver, after being run out of Baltimore.

Those are all examples from since I've been playing FF. If I had to make a comp, Mixon feels closest to Ingram ability wise.
Much more robust list than I would have expected and bodes well for Mixon with regards to real world examples. I just can't shake the fact that he sucks out of my mind. But I probably felt that way about all of these guys leading up their first transplanted season.
Was a different era.
 
I think he's going to have a lousy year. Not everyone is going to meet or exceed projections. I think he's in for a bad time. From what I recall, that o-line didn't block that well last year. Damien Pierce averaged 2.9 YPC after averaging 4.3 YPC the year before. You could probably average 2.9 YPC if you tried your hardest, lol.

That to me is reason to be concerned that a guy who was traded for a 7th rounder is going to come in and change life in Houston. Damien Pierce didn't just somehow get worse. Devin Singletary had the worst YPC in his career behind that o-line last year. I don't know if they did anything to improve their o-line, but both Houston RB had the lowest YPC of their careers last year behind that line and Joe Mixon averaged a ho, hum 4.0 YPC in Cincinatti. If I am wrong, please correct me, but it would seem to me that Joe Mixon is going to be dragged into some kind of YPC blackhole in Houston.


The passing game should be good and there may be ample redzone opportunities which I would expect Mixon to be the guy. If he score 8 - 10 touchdowns, then it won't matter if he only averages 3.6 YPC, right? I just don't think the 7th Round Pick he was traded for is going to show up and change life. I would pencil him into do exactly what Singletary did last year, with potentially more touches. Where that puts him relative to his ADP, I don't know because he is firmly on my DND list.

What does a 7th round pick matter with production on the field?

Generally speaking, there is a correlation between talent and draft pick compensation.

A 7th round pick is about as low as it gets without cutting a player outright. When the league says they'd rather cut a guy or have a useless 7th rounder for him, it usually means that the road is coming to an end for that player. Texans are only paying $5,000,000 for this guy this year and Bengals didn't even want to pay that. The guy they took in the 2nd Round they decided they would rather ship away for a 7th Rounder than pay $5,000,000.


Dalvin Cook in New York is a good parallel. Everyone was telling me until they were blue in the face that Cook only got cut due to not wanting to take a pay cut and that he was "still a good RB". Then he hits the field and it's revealed that the old RB had lost a step and was totally cashed.

Surely you understand cap considerations.

Surely you understand that a team that has an up and coming, relatively cheap player like Chase Brown might cut a better but much more cap expensive veteran player in his twilight years for nothing... in which case a 7th round pick is better.

Surely you understand that situation -- cutting/trading such a veteran player -- does not necessarily reflect on his ability to be productive for another team.

Right?
They did not move on from Mixon over money.
I can't imagine the sample size of a 28 year old painfully avg RB with 1800 touches worth of tread off the tires going to another team to be the bellcow has a particularly high success rate.
And 28 yo Jamal Lewis put up 1300 yards for Cleveland @4.4 ypc after leaving Baltimore
Corey Dillon put up 1738-13, at age 30 for NE, coming off a season where he lost the Bengals starting job to Rudi Johnson.

Mark Ingram put up a 1265-15 season at age 30 for Baltimore after leaving NO.

DeMarco Murray put up a 1664-12 season at age 28 for the Titans after looking used up in Philly.

Stephen Davis put up 1603-8 at age 29 for Carolina, after having 3 straight declining seasons in Washington.

DeAngelo Williams was a league winner who put up 1274-11 in Pittsburgh (in essentially 10 games after Bell got hurt) at age 32, after losing the Carolina job to Jonathan Stewart.

Willis McGahee went for 1250-5 at age 30 for Denver, after being run out of Baltimore.

Those are all examples from since I've been playing FF. If I had to make a comp, Mixon feels closest to Ingram ability wise.
Much more robust list than I would have expected and bodes well for Mixon with regards to real world examples. I just can't shake the fact that he sucks out of my mind. But I probably felt that way about all of these guys leading up their first transplanted season.
Was a different era.
Yup, they play less defense now.
 
They did not move on from Mixon over money.

They certainly cleared cap space by doing it. Would they have moved on if he was willing to rework his contract and play for what Moss is getting? I doubt it.
From what I gather, unlike the previous off-season, they did not offer Mixon the opportunity to remain with a pay cut. I have for sure never seen anyone mention he turned one down but I can't say for sure it was never offered.

Could it be over money, not thinking he'd mesh as well being relegated to a RBBC role or worse? Maybe but I think a year after he got an ultimatum to take a pay cut or get cut his stock did not increase in the building and this time the pay cut was not an option the Bengals wanted to pursue.
 
@32BeatWriters
DeMeco Ryan’s on Joe Mixon: “Joe will be Joe. Joe will be doing what he’s done his entire career. I don’t think you’ll see anything different. He’s a strong, physical back. He’s going to get yards. So, I’m excited about seeing Joe run the ball behind our offensive line.”
 
Got him in the 9th. I think people are scared.

Talked myself into him the last few days, anyone else on board? Good value.
great "brains" think alike!

He finished top 10 RB in my league last year, went to a better offense with less competition for carries.....and I got him at #2 RB price.

From one 'weasel' to another - love it!
Mixon is far from a ham and egger!

seriously though - very excited to get a potential #1 RB at such a discount.
 
Talked myself into him the last few days, anyone else on board? Good value.
I'll go off Vegas season long odds when I have a few players in the same tier. Mixon had the most TD upside by Vegas in those players which is why I pulled the trigger. Might be a good way to look at things maybe not but I think he's in a great place this season.
 
The Coachspeak Index
#Texans OC Bobby Slowik on whether Joe Mixon can sustain his bellcow workload from Week 1:

“Physically, I’d say, he’s probably one of the few guys remaining in the NFL that could handle that… He’s just built and, has in his past, done that before and is built to do that. It really is more of, we’ll give Joe the ball as many times as necessary”
 
The Coachspeak Index
#Texans OC Bobby Slowik on whether Joe Mixon can sustain his bellcow workload from Week 1:

“Physically, I’d say, he’s probably one of the few guys remaining in the NFL that could handle that… He’s just built and, has in his past, done that before and is built to do that. It really is more of, we’ll give Joe the ball as many times as necessary”
Dude is a freaking tank and I think he’s benefiting from a better scheme and coaching…and maybe better QB play?

Mixon has always been a bell cow and reliable ol faithful. Wouldn’t surprise me if he has a career high YPC this year though considering the environment and weapons around him. Ah- the good ol hack of having a rookie QB saving 40-50M against the cap
 
Probably a sell, but I need him.
Wish you could. There’s probably nothing you can do to sell him as he has the recognized worn out name and “injury history”

Maybe someone believes in him in your league but it’ll take spamming offers. I’d rather just hold and hope he stays healthy- he’s quite valuable given the RB landscape right now. He can be your RB1 and go against the top end RBs that others drafted…at a fraction of the price.
 
Is there even a handcuff to this guy? I see Pierce got some carries. Akers made the team. Or is it pretty much gamble with Mixon all year and don't handcuff him?
 
Is there even a handcuff to this guy? I see Pierce got some carries. Akers made the team. Or is it pretty much gamble with Mixon all year and don't handcuff him?
Pierce is the 2 right now. Akers showed some juice in the preseason but was inactive week one. Dare is the 3rd down guy, pass protection being key. Pierce wasn't spotted at practice today (report said hamstring) so it's possible Akers is active and Pierce is inactive Sunday night.

If Mixon were out, I think you'd see a hot hand approach between Pierce and Akers as opposed to a straightforward handcuff situation.... Perhaps until one of them outplays the other
 
So what's the deal with Mixon's ankle?

High ankle sprain?

Wondering if it's worth taking a shot at either D. Pierce or C. Akers in waivers.

From the video, it looked pretty bad.
 
I'm going to try to get Akers in a few leagues. It could be a committee to but Pierce was banged up. Guess we see.

In dynasty what would someone be willing to pay for Akers?
 
Pierce just can't play in this SF type offense. I might pick up Akers and while the fumble was a big disapointment he's been the way better backup back. Honestly if Pierce wasn't a high draft pick / played great 2 seasons ago he probably would have been cut.
 

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