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What is fact is that the O-line which you say is the worst has been good enough for Hines and to some extent Wilkins to overcome it and post decent numbers.Is this schtick? That O-line has been pushed around, they are ranked as one of the worst in the NFL in run blocking so far.
Okay, has to be schtick. He's been so awful that he doesn't deserve any touches behind the great Hines and Wilkins.
Since coming back from the bye in week 7, Wilkins and Hines look better than Taylor. Maybe Taylor is injured but in any case, I don’t know how anyone in redraft holds onto Taylor at this point. Sorry if you own Taylor in dynasty but it doesn’t look promising.Is this schtick? That O-line has been pushed around, they are ranked as one of the worst in the NFL in run blocking so far.
Okay, has to be schtick. He's been so awful that he doesn't deserve any touches behind the great Hines and Wilkins.
Fully understand that people are frustrated with Taylor, but in my PPR league Taylor is the #16 RB while Gibson is the #17. Sure Taylor has played one more game and is trending in the wrong direction at the moment, but one can't be doing just fine while the other is terrible.
You have a strange definition of "fact". If either of their numbers are "decent" than so are Taylor's.
I thought you were a Broncos fan? =P
That's such a lazy stat that doesn't remotely tell the full picture.
You're the one who brought up numbers between them- what numbers were you referring to, vision?
So if Taylor is doing all of these things wrong (not breaking tackles, not being elusive), how does he have the same YPC as the other 2 guys who are doing everything right? They all get ~4 yards on each carry.
Yeah but you're saying he should get more carries even while doing less with them. Until he fixes those issues, why not give other guys more work? Cam Akers is pretty much the third RB when Darrell Henderson and Malcolm Brown are healthy. Why not reduce his workload a bit until he catches up with the NFL game?
Didn't say they were doing everything right; it's not a 100% or 0% situation. But Wilkins has shown to be a more efficient runner by metrics, and while Hines has a much smaller body of work this year running the ball you saw some of the juice and decisiveness that might afford him more opportunities in the future. What I am saying is using YPC is like evaluating a baseball player strictly by batting average. It's a part of a bigger picture, not the whole picture.
But that's not nothing either. The Colts said they were going to do this type of time share, but we Taylor believers thought that would go away when he showed how good he was. The opposite happened.
Even though I said I passed on him in the draft, I find this to be true, but there are those that have seen these situations more than I and view it as a total red flag that he hasn't run away with the starting position. So there's that. But I wouldn't give up on this guy yet. Too soon.
There are plenty in the links I provided. Broken Tackle rate is indicated in two articles (CBS the most updated one). Yards after contact and missed tackle rates are also shown, this link actually does a good job analyzing all 3 but it's a month old.
He's not really doing less with them- he has the same exact number of carries as Hines and Wilkins combined, but more TDs and 1st downs than they have (combined). Also he's being used in situations that are less than ideal, like last night when 4 of his 7 carries came on 3rd or 4th and 1. How is he supposed to improve patience or vision when he's trying to push the pile for 1 yd. when everyone knows he's getting the ball and the line isn't blocking well?
People should eject on CEH too.
He’s right. Both were way overrated. If you can get anything close to the price you paid for either you get rid of them, absolutely. Otherwise you hold and hope for the best
Gibson is a pass blocking train wreck. He's losing snaps because of it.
I've said it in the CEH threat - two more tds and he's a top ten fantasy rb. But this isn't CEH thread so that's the last I'll say about that.
That’s not a very good argument. 2 more TDs and David Montgomery is RB11. But he still sucks
He's signing everything You Know Who I Am - YKWIA
It’s an iron man 2 thing. I figured the picture made it obvious
I'd forgotten all about it, actually. Didn't catch it. Sorry. Carry on my wayward YKWIAIt’s an iron man 2 thing. I figured the picture made it obvious
I'm not sure what shortcomings you are referring to regarding ADP. He could have been a star in the NFL straight out of high school if they allowed it. J.Taylor is not even in the same universe.
Sorry people lost the narrative so quickly. I said that AP was the only runner I've seen who could overcome things like lack of patience whereas a runner like Taylor doesn't have the ability to overcome similar liabilities.
Sure understood. That said, I don't recall any issues regarding lack of patience, although maybe decisions at the line. In my lifetime, he was the best RB prospect that I ever saw coming out of high school and college. It's still crazy to look back and see ADP, Megatron, Joe Thomas, Revis, Lynch, and more available in the 2007 draft and somehow Jamarcus Russell went #1.
Adrian Peterson wants to prove he’s not one-dimensional
The funny thing is that Hines gets nearly all the receiving work lately, but if you look at the stats for pass-catching backs:
I guess I would need better definitions of what struggling and clicking mean?
RoJo and Henderson both had disastrous rookie years and bounced back somewhat, though they aren't exactly a beacon of light as neither is worth a ton right now even after that.
