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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (4 Viewers)

TampaMike19 said:
I'd love to see the fantasy points per touch metric for these guys that are being spelled, vs 25-30 touches and losing efficiency 

Also, great players make great plays. Taylor 70 yard TD's are well within his range of outcomes with his vision, top-end speed, and power. 
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It would be interesting to see but I wasn't referring to in game efficiency I was talking about career length.

IMO Tenn, Minn & Car are foolish for using their top backs so much. Cook & McCaffrey are already breaking down regularly.

 
Payne said:
He should of had even more.

I'll keep saying it., Reich is not a good coach. 1st series Taylor goes nuts. 2nd series goes to Mack. Terrible. 

Don't see that happening on other teams with a great RB. 
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They're trying to trade Mack... deadline's approaching... no takers initially so get him some quality carries under a national spotlight... looked good. Might be a win/win (for IND & Mack).

 
Take away that one long receiving TD and he only had one touchdown and a mediocre plodding day. :sarcasm:

 
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Dizzy said:
They're trying to trade Mack... deadline's approaching... no takers initially so get him some quality carries under a national spotlight... looked good. Might be a win/win (for IND & Mack).
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Except they lost the game. And it's not just this game. Going back to last year Frank has cost this team wins with his usage and "smarter than everyone else" mentality. You ride your stud back. 

10 carries in week 3 is another prime example. 

 
Chaka said:
We all want to see the RBs we drafted get 25 touches/game.  But spelling guys is not bad coaching, particularly when the back up is playing well. It's a long season and they need their best players to be available every week.

There are very few Derrick Henry's in the league and when they come around they generally don't last long.

I think star RBs in particular need to be vocal about deploying backfield help regularly lest they get used up before they even get a crack at their 2nd contract.
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Agree. But the goal is to win games. There was no excuse for Mack getting the 2nd series of the game after Taylor broke that long TD. You feed your best players when that happens in hopes it's one of those special days. 

 
Payne said:
Agree. But the goal is to win games. There was no excuse for Mack getting the 2nd series of the game after Taylor broke that long TD. You feed your best players when that happens in hopes it's one of those special days. 
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On the 2nd series, the Colts had a 2nd and 5 on the BAL 14 and then Wentz fumbled. It was Hines and Taylor on the 2nd series. On the 3rd series it was Mack (3-11) and Taylor (2-1). 

I question using Hines on first downs in the 2nd series. He should be a 3rd down back, where he has excelled. Yes, Taylor is special but Mack had a good game.

 
Payne said:
Agree. But the goal is to win games. There was no excuse for Mack getting the 2nd series of the game after Taylor broke that long TD. You feed your best players when that happens in hopes it's one of those special days. 
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I am not sure the evidence supports Mack being a liability, or some kind of inexcusable coaching decision in that situation. He had carries of 13, 2 & 2 a reception for 7 and an incomplete intended for him before Taylor was back in to convert a 3 & 1 that Mack set up.

Taylor went for 1 & -1 followed by Mack for 2 before Wentz got sacked and the drive ended at the 50.

I mean when is a good time to spell your starting RB? Not early with a lead? Okay, when?

 
Chaka said:
I am not sure the evidence supports Mack being a liability, or some kind of inexcusable coaching decision in that situation. He had carries of 13, 2 & 2 a reception for 7 and an incomplete intended for him before Taylor was back in to convert a 3 & 1 that Mack set up.

Taylor went for 1 & -1 followed by Mack for 2 before Wentz got sacked and the drive ended at the 50.

I mean when is a good time to spell your starting RB? Not early with a lead? Okay, when?
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I stated I am not just talking about this game. Look back to last year or the first few weeks this season. He has been criticized nationally for his use of Taylor. 

 
Payne said:
I stated I am not just talking about this game. Look back to last year or the first few weeks this season. He has been criticized nationally for his use of Taylor. 
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Okay, I have no problem with that but looking at the game log it sounds like the national criticism is following the same pattern as it is in here.

Taylor had three games under 15 total touches (all three were blowouts of one form or another), he missed a game on the Covid 19 list and still finished the season with 270 opportunities.  That's 18 opportunities per game played.

How many more opportunities/game changes the narrative from "National agreement is Taylor is underused" to "National agreement is Taylor is used just the right amount"?

 
I want Chubb usage minus the annoyance of Hunt, plus a few extra receptions, and keep goal-line responsibilities. That's a pretty unique player- maybe Dalvin-lite usage. 16-18 carries a game, 2-3 receptions a game. Goal-line. The real problem lies is when the coach might take him out on high-importance situations where you need your best playmakers on the field. Accounting for Taylor is WAY tougher on the defense than accounting for post-achilles tear Mack. 

Minny would be smart to scale back Dalvin's workload a bit. Henry's the only one not getting hurt. 

 
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Taylor looked good on some screen passes in particular. Indy deserved to lose for not using Taylor more in this fashion late in the game. 

 
TampaMike19 said:
I want Chubb usage minus the annoyance of Hunt, plus a few extra receptions, and keep goal-line responsibilities. That's a pretty unique player- maybe Dalvin-lite usage. 16-18 carries a game, 2-3 receptions a game. Goal-line. The real problem lies is when the coach might take him out on high-importance situations where you need your best playmakers on the field. Accounting for Taylor is WAY tougher on the defense than accounting for post-achilles tear Mack. 

Minny would be smart to scale back Dalvin's workload a bit. Henry's the only one not getting hurt. 
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Own Chubb, Taylor owner talked interest in Chubb.  The annoyance of Hunt is driving me crazy as a Chubb owner, but know that Taylor has Mack and Hines to split with as well.  Wondering if I roll the dice and grab Taylor for Chubb as age plays the difference.  Also have the same thing with AJones and AJ Dillon taking larger role.  Maybe explore trading Chubb and Jones.

 
TampaMike19 said:
I want Chubb usage minus the annoyance of Hunt, plus a few extra receptions, and keep goal-line responsibilities. That's a pretty unique player- maybe Dalvin-lite usage. 16-18 carries a game, 2-3 receptions a game. Goal-line. The real problem lies is when the coach might take him out on high-importance situations where you need your best playmakers on the field. Accounting for Taylor is WAY tougher on the defense than accounting for post-achilles tear Mack. 

Minny would be smart to scale back Dalvin's workload a bit. Henry's the only one not getting hurt. 
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I like this perspective. I would also like to see Taylor's usage up around Chubb's from this & last year which is about where he was last year. 18-20 opportunities is high end work.

He is below that this year by 3-5 opps.

 
He had 3 touches in the first half and finished with only 15 in a blowout against a terrible team. Could you imagine the numbers he would put up if they fed him the ball more?

 
He would've had 22 touches if he wasn't blasting this defense for 10 yards a carry lmao

so imagine 22 touches for 120 yards and 2 TD's, but he did his damage in half the workload. His YPC is cut in half, and the game is shortened even more due to the increase in volume and clock churning. That looks more like Najee's game- 3 to 5 yard gains, break a few here and there. Najee is kind of like Bell in that matter. Taylor definitely has some Derrick Henry in him, but is churning out longer runs on a routine basis it appears. I'm not sure what the comp is for Taylor- Nick Chubb but with better receiving? 

Yesterday was amazing game and for his longevity - less hits and less wear and tear!

I think one drive he scored 14-15 fantasy points. Man- he's good! 

Only thing I'm concerned about is if Wentz is phantom benched due to the team not competing and not wanting to lose their first round pick. But Indy still has the talent to be a playoff team, so maybe we'll see. Wentz is playing well. 

Honestly, stock up for the entire offense. I think Nelson is coming back soon too.

How many backs do you want over Taylor right now? Cook, Ekeler, Henry, Kamara, Zeke, then...?

I'll take Taylor over Chubb, Mixon, Henderson, J ROB, Najee. He's comfortably settled into the mid to high-end RB1 range right now. 

You can arguably say that only Henry is ahead of him on this list

 
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TampaMike19 said:
He would've had 22 touches if he wasn't blasting this defense for 10 yards a carry lmao

so imagine 22 touches for 120 yards and 2 TD's, but he did his damage in half the workload. His YPC is cut in half, and the game is shortened even more due to the increase in volume and clock churning. That looks more like Najee's game- 3 to 5 yard gains, break a few here and there. Najee is kind of like Bell in that matter. Taylor definitely has some Derrick Henry in him, but is churning out longer runs on a routine basis it appears. I'm not sure what the comp is for Taylor- Nick Chubb but with better receiving? 

Yesterday was amazing game and for his longevity - less hits and less wear and tear!

I think one drive he scored 14-15 fantasy points. Man- he's good! 

Only thing I'm concerned about is if Wentz is phantom benched due to the team not competing and not wanting to lose their first round pick. But Indy still has the talent to be a playoff team, so maybe we'll see. Wentz is playing well. 

Honestly, stock up for the entire offense. I think Nelson is coming back soon too.

How many backs do you want over Taylor right now? Cook, Ekeler, Henry, Kamara, Zeke, then...?

I'll take Taylor over Chubb, Mixon, Henderson, J ROB, Najee. He's comfortably settled into the mid to high-end RB1 range right now. 

You can arguably say that only Henry is ahead of him on this list
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Don't forget Braden Smith should, hopefully, be coming back too.

 
I realize posters in this thread will likely be JT owners, but where do yall place his value in dynasty? What would you offer for him? What would it take to pry him away?

 
floods said:
I realize posters in this thread will likely be JT owners, but where do yall place his value in dynasty? What would you offer for him? What would it take to pry him away?
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Another RB1 prospect plus picks / high-end WRs. 

He's untouchable basically unless I am re-building or feel someone will overpay for him.

Javonte + WR + a 1st rounder (high) I'd consider it 

 
I wasn't watching the game but kept looking at the box score to keep up on my players.  I thought he was injured after getting 3 rushes in the first half.  I thought it had to be a mistake or he was injured.  Then about 20 minutes later he had 9 rushes and 91 yds.  Amazing.  

 
Jonathan Taylor leads all NFL running backs with ten rushing attempts inside the five yard line. 

Taylor has converted just two of those attempts into touchdowns -- a frustrating stat for Taylor drafters, but one that should also be encouraging. Taylor is the team's unquestioned goal line back -- he's seen 91 percent of the Colts' rushes inside the five -- and should get his share of easy scores as the season wears on. The second-year back has been red hot over the past two weeks, totaling 327 yards and four touchdowns as the centerpiece of the Indy offense. Taylor is the most efficient back in the game and should be treated as a weekly RB1. 

Oct 18, 2021, 9:53 AM ET
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floods said:
I realize posters in this thread will likely be JT owners, but where do yall place his value in dynasty? What would you offer for him? What would it take to pry him away?
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He's in the top 5 RBs, but not close to #1 for me.  Don't like his game or usage and I don't really see that changing.

 
Chaka said:
What don't you like about his game?
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He never impressed me, last season or yet this year.  He's shown some great flashes against awful teams and he's seemingly on a hot streak the past two weeks.  Maybe I'm missing something but he's well behind CMC, Harris, Cook and Kamara.

 
tangfoot said:
He never impressed me, last season or yet this year.  He's shown some great flashes against awful teams and he's seemingly on a hot streak the past two weeks.  Maybe I'm missing something but he's well behind CMC, Harris, Cook and Kamara.
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Cook will be lucky to survive the season the way the Vikings abuse him.  Seriously, Zimmer must hate that dude.

 
tangfoot said:
He never impressed me, last season or yet this year.  He's shown some great flashes against awful teams and he's seemingly on a hot streak the past two weeks.  Maybe I'm missing something but he's well behind CMC, Harris, Cook and Kamara.
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Behind Harris? What are you smoking lol

Harris is getting beaten into the ground and Taylor is proving to be much more explosive, and he's the same age or younger.

 
Jonathan Taylor had 18 carries for 107 yards and a touchdown in the Colts' Week 7 win over the 49ers.

It's the second straight 100-plus yard game for Taylor, who has went over the century mark in three of the last four weeks. Taylor fumbled on his first carry of the game, but the Colts stuck with him, giving him a 70% snap share. His touchdown came inside the five-yard line, an encouraging sign given Taylor's red-zone struggles this year. Taylor has been heating up with six touchdowns over the last month. The Colts should stay run heavy behind Taylor with a matchup against Derrick Henry and the Titans in Week 8.

Oct 24, 2021, 11:53 PM ET
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Fumbles were a concern, but it looks like he's consistently at the 20 touch mark for the season and ROS. Smart or should they feed him more? He's been very efficient and produced well in such horrible conditions, but so did Elijah Mitchell.

He wasn't in the game on the 4 minute drill

 
TampaMike19 said:
Fumbles were a concern, but it looks like he's consistently at the 20 touch mark for the season and ROS. Smart or should they feed him more? He's been very efficient and produced well in such horrible conditions, but so did Elijah Mitchell.

He wasn't in the game on the 4 minute drill
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Is he healthy?

 
Jonathan Taylor (ribs) was upgraded to a full practice on Thursday.

Taylor noted in his media availability today that he hasn't missed a practice in NFL, college, or even high school. He should be good to go for a matchup against a Titans defense coming off a huge high note against Kansas City. Taylor had a season-low 10 rushes in Week 3 against the Titans, a game that seemed to spur some changes in Indianapolis' offense. Taylor has had at least one touchdown in every game since. 

Oct 28, 2021, 4:08 PM ET
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More stellar play calling from Reich- any chance he gets canned (or at least gives up calling plays) so JT can be unleashed?

 
humpback said:
More stellar play calling from Reich- any chance he gets canned (or at least gives up calling plays) so JT can be unleashed?
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I agree.  Reich is terrible at calling plays.  No way Wentz should have been throwing it on every down in the drive where all they needed was a FG.  To be honest, this offense should be running the ball whenever they can.

 
Jonathan Taylor rushed 19 times for 172 yards and two touchdowns in the Colts' Week 9 win over the Jets, adding two receptions for 28 additional yards. 

The 172 yards rushing were the second most of Taylor's career, and buoyed by a 78-yard touchdown midway through the third quarter. Back on the field after a Jets three-and-out, Taylor faced a loaded box on 1st-and-10 from the Colts' own 22-yard line, got skinny through the hole and was off to the races for one of the fastest scores by any player all season. If you can believe it, Taylor actually left some meat on the bone this evening, getting stymied on some goal-line touches. That included a fourth down run from the Jets' two-yard line in the third quarter. Taylor was stopped for a one-yard gain. There was a scary moment late in the first half where Taylor took a helmet to his knee on a different failed goal-line run, but he was thankfully able to shake it off after a drive or two. On an absolute heater — he has reached 100 yards on the ground in four of his past six games — Taylor has a mouthwatering Week 10 matchup in the pathetic Jaguars.   

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