RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (2 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1685462392119984128?s=20

Irsay: Not trading Taylor

 

[travdogg]

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1685462392119984128?s=20

Irsay: Not trading Taylor

Jim Irsay is the type of guy where if you asked him the same question 5 times in a day, you might not get the same answer twice. Just last season, I recall him saying Frank Reich's job was safe and Matt Ryan's starting job was safe. Also said Jeff Saturday did a great job and could be retained as HC.

Point being, Irsay saying Taylor won't be traded probably isn't worth much more than me saying it.

 

[Faust]

Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington

I’ve asked a few GMs about Jonathan Taylor’s trade value, and it sounds minimal for many reasons: Most notably, it’s a one-year rental. As one GM noted, next year’s RB market is going to be saturated. No team is likely to do a long-term deal now when RB value could keep dropping.

https://twitter.com/jeffdarlington/status/1685477333338095616?s=21

 

[Deamon]

Feels like the Bears are the team that makes the most sense by far for so many reasons.

They're one of the few teams:

- without a stud starting RB
- that can afford him financially
- that have the picks to spare to trade for him
- that are a potential playoff team
- that have coaches with history with him

And they have all of those things. Just gett'r done.

 

[Lansdowne]

Feels like the Bears are the team that makes the most sense by far for so many reasons.

They're one of the few teams:

- without a stud starting RB
- that can afford him financially
- that have the picks to spare to trade for him
- that are a potential playoff team
- that have coaches with history with him

And they have all of those things. Just gett'r done.

Highly doubt it given that the Bears haven’t/won’t have any problems generating yards on the ground between Fields and the Herbert/Foreman/Roschon trio. It’d be different if the run game was a weakness, then I could see them paying the premium for a RB. As far as the coaches with history, that doesn’t really apply in this scenario. Eberflus and Williams worked defense for the Colts. It’s not the same as someone like Mike McDaniel, who worked offense for the 49ers and brought Mostert and Wilson over to Miami with him because they worked the same Shanahan offensive system.

 

[Insein]

Bears?

I don't know if the Bears want to pay a guy when they have two guys on rookie deals as we speak.

Gotta think the Dolphins, Pats, and others before they come calling.

Bears just paid their TE like a bajillion dollars. I don't think they know how money works.

 

[wickster33]

This isnt the NBA and JT has no leverage. Expect this to get much uglier before opening day.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Depth chart on Colts website now lists Deon Jackson as RB1.

This is likely more due to physical injury than financial, but ya never know.

Nah. I think it's the last depth chart from last season.

The roster page does not list Taylor either.

That part is interesting

Isn’t he on PUP?

 

[NoCheese]

Feels like the Ravens are the perfect fit. Dobbins is a distraction and with Lamar and his new WR weapons, JT would make that a top 7-8 offense.

 

[H8fulHuck]

Jets signing Dalvin Cook isn't a lock right? Could we see JT going to the Jets and Dalvin goes plan B with Miami?

Jets are all in on making a push for the ring and JT gives them a better shot.

 

[menobrown]

This isnt the NBA and JT has no leverage. Expect this to get much uglier before opening day.

Even in the NFL teams have constantly been placating players desire to be moved, they just don't all get what they want, not a lot different then the NBA.

You are right this will get uglier, said that several days ago in here, and that ugliness is basically his leverage. I've seen about 10 different photo's of Taylor since camp opened and he looks pissed and engages with no one. That's his leverage to at least explore a trade return despite what Irsay is saying because that stuff is not what you want around. Boils down to will the Colts find a trade parter offering a good return, like Carolina did with CMC, or will the market be pretty much zilch as it was with Ekeler.

Taylor's looks like he's going to be tough nugget to figure out for the 2023 fantasy season over the next month or so. Despite someone like Jacobs not being under contract I am far more concerned about Taylor. The way the CBA works now I don't think he can hold out of games even if he was willing to give up about $250K a game because it would mess up an accrued year. But there are other ways he can make himself unavailable though he has to be cautious of any kind of overly bad look or bad performance.

 

[massraider]

But there are other ways he can make himself unavailable though he has to be cautious of any kind of overly bad look or bad performance.

Yeah, there's ways to do it.
Also, one team's malcontent is another team's savior. We've seen plenty of players who pulled some stuff elsewhere, and get a clean slate.

Taylor declining to participate in running him into the ground for two years and getting spit out the NFL machine like Leveon Bell isn't going to hurt his standing with every other team in the league.

 

[Insein]

Taylor is in a tough spot but has some leverage in that he's still in his prime. Going to be an interesting case for the rest of the league.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This isnt the NBA and JT has no leverage. Expect this to get much uglier before opening day.

Even in the NFL teams have constantly been placating players desire to be moved, they just don't all get what they want, not a lot different then the NBA.

You are right this will get uglier, said that several days ago in here, and that ugliness is basically his leverage. I've seen about 10 different photo's of Taylor since camp opened and he looks pissed and engages with no one. That's his leverage to at least explore a trade return despite what Irsay is saying because that stuff is not what you want around. Boils down to will the Colts find a trade parter offering a good return, like Carolina did with CMC, or will the market be pretty much zilch as it was with Ekeler.

Taylor's looks like he's going to be tough nugget to figure out for the 2023 fantasy season over the next month or so. Despite someone like Jacobs not being under contract I am far more concerned about Taylor. The way the CBA works now I don't think he can hold out of games even if he was willing to give up about $250K a game because it would mess up an accrued year. But there are other ways he can make himself unavailable though he has to be cautious of any kind of overly bad look or bad performance.

Especially complicating JT’s situation is he’s essentially going to be a 1 year rental. So whatever team trades for him will have to give up assets, and then cough up a contract.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Taylor is in a tough spot but has some leverage in that he's still in his prime. Going to be an interesting case for the rest of the league.

I don’t see how that’s leverage.

It makes him more appealing, yes - but JT has zero leverage. He’s under contract. If the team doesn’t want to deal him & he doesn’t want to play for the team his only option is to sit out.

That’s not leverage.

 

[Deamon]

Jets signing Dalvin Cook isn't a lock right? Could we see JT going to the Jets and Dalvin goes plan B with Miami?

Jets are all in on making a push for the ring and JT gives them a better shot.

They have Breece. I doubt they're that interested in Taylor (at what he would cost them in both picks and a big contract)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jets signing Dalvin Cook isn't a lock right? Could we see JT going to the Jets and Dalvin goes plan B with Miami?

Jets are all in on making a push for the ring and JT gives them a better shot.

They have Breece. I doubt they're that interested in Taylor (at what he would cost them in both picks and a big contract)

They’d just sign Cook for less.

 

[Deamon]

Jets signing Dalvin Cook isn't a lock right? Could we see JT going to the Jets and Dalvin goes plan B with Miami?

Jets are all in on making a push for the ring and JT gives them a better shot.

They have Breece. I doubt they're that interested in Taylor (at what he would cost them in both picks and a big contract)

They’d just sign Cook for less.

Agree. I see no way the Jets would bring Taylor in or be interested in it.

 

[Insein]

Taylor is in a tough spot but has some leverage in that he's still in his prime. Going to be an interesting case for the rest of the league.

I don’t see how that’s leverage.

It makes him more appealing, yes - but JT has zero leverage. He’s under contract. If the team doesn’t want to deal him & he doesn’t want to play for the team his only option is to sit out.

That’s not leverage.

That's the leverage. Have a wasted roster spot or get something for him and move on. He's taking a risk too but the team has the risk of losing a player not easily replaceable at this time of year. If it was April, they'd draft his replacement and move on.

 

[BigAl21]

Taylor is in a tough spot but has some leverage in that he's still in his prime. Going to be an interesting case for the rest of the league.

I don’t see how that’s leverage.

It makes him more appealing, yes - but JT has zero leverage. He’s under contract. If the team doesn’t want to deal him & he doesn’t want to play for the team his only option is to sit out.

That’s not leverage.

The threat of sitting out is leverage, although, it may not be enough for real action on the Colts part.

 

[H8fulHuck]

Jets signing Dalvin Cook isn't a lock right? Could we see JT going to the Jets and Dalvin goes plan B with Miami?

Jets are all in on making a push for the ring and JT gives them a better shot.

They have Breece. I doubt they're that interested in Taylor (at what he would cost them in both picks and a big contract)

They’d just sign Cook for less.

Agree. I see no way the Jets would bring Taylor in or be interested in it.

Probably right. With Dalvin on site today, would just make things worse to pump the brakes exploring a trade. Disregard my hmmmm what if of the day.

 

[Dez]

Once Taylor comes off the PUP he is going to be fined $40,000 per day until he shows up and fines are no longer allowed to be rescinded. It seems like the team actually did Taylor a solid by putting him on the PUP so he would not get fined. Stange situation now. Maybe he comes off PUP and "Holds In" which is the new thing to do now a days.

 

[H8fulHuck]

Taylor is in a tough spot but has some leverage in that he's still in his prime. Going to be an interesting case for the rest of the league.

I don’t see how that’s leverage.

It makes him more appealing, yes - but JT has zero leverage. He’s under contract. If the team doesn’t want to deal him & he doesn’t want to play for the team his only option is to sit out.

That’s not leverage.

The threat of sitting out is leverage, although, it may not be enough for real action on the Colts part.

Other ways around this. Could be "too injured to play" ala Lamar Jackson 2022. Why should JT put his body at risk for a team that doesn't value him?

 

[menobrown]

This isnt the NBA and JT has no leverage. Expect this to get much uglier before opening day.

Even in the NFL teams have constantly been placating players desire to be moved, they just don't all get what they want, not a lot different then the NBA.

You are right this will get uglier, said that several days ago in here, and that ugliness is basically his leverage. I've seen about 10 different photo's of Taylor since camp opened and he looks pissed and engages with no one. That's his leverage to at least explore a trade return despite what Irsay is saying because that stuff is not what you want around. Boils down to will the Colts find a trade parter offering a good return, like Carolina did with CMC, or will the market be pretty much zilch as it was with Ekeler.

Taylor's looks like he's going to be tough nugget to figure out for the 2023 fantasy season over the next month or so. Despite someone like Jacobs not being under contract I am far more concerned about Taylor. The way the CBA works now I don't think he can hold out of games even if he was willing to give up about $250K a game because it would mess up an accrued year. But there are other ways he can make himself unavailable though he has to be cautious of any kind of overly bad look or bad performance.

Especially complicating JT’s situation is he’s essentially going to be a 1 year rental. So whatever team trades for him will have to give up assets, and then cough up a contract.

Not to split hairs, just chatting.

I know some view him as a one year rental and the impact that has on a trade. Not me.

He's not happy over his pay, not the team, so not sure how playing for another team on the same deal would change that.

Based on the current tag amounts he's basically contractually obligated to the Colts and any team that acquired him at 1 year for $4.3m/2 years for $14.4 or 3 years for $27M with the team who controls his rights having the ability to take the last two years on a year to year basis.

My point of view is his anyone inheriting that contract and control would view it very favorably, that his contract and control would be considered a major plus to have option of paying him or not over his age 24-26 season while never committing to long term commitment for an average of $9M at most if it all works out.

The problem goes back to the first thing I said which is his issue is with his pay and not the Colts so if that does not change his attitude likely does not either.

So to me I think any team that might up end up acquiring him would have to work out parameters of an extension first and that cost is the most prohibitive item in order to get a fair return on Taylor. Only other way I could see a team giving anything close to his value is Taylor let a team he wanted to go to know, in uncertain terms, he'd not fight against the tag if they don't reach a long term deal. Possible just to get out of Indy but not what I expect.

My main thing is just to say his current contract is actually a major plus but it's why this mess is going on and hard to think he'd just keep playing on it for someone else or anyone would give up much without planning to use the tag on him if they don't extend him first.

 

[ffmail4me]

I don't see the Jets signing him to a long term contract (with Hall there) and I'm sure that's what JT wants. I don't see the Jets as a suitor but what the fudge do I know?

 

[JohnnyU]

Taylor is in a tough spot but has some leverage in that he's still in his prime. Going to be an interesting case for the rest of the league.

I don’t see how that’s leverage.

It makes him more appealing, yes - but JT has zero leverage. He’s under contract. If the team doesn’t want to deal him & he doesn’t want to play for the team his only option is to sit out.

That’s not leverage.

The threat of sitting out is leverage, although, it may not be enough for real action on the Colts part.

They aren’t winning anything this year anyway, so sit out JT, it helps the Colts draft position.

 

[JohnnyU]

JT has an overinflated view of himself. His pride can’t deal with knowing that RBs make less than every position except kicker and punter.

 

[kface]

Is anyone else worth picking up? I have to believe if JT sits they sign one of the vets and it's just an ugly backfield all year

 

[JohnnyU]

Is anyone else worth picking up? I have to believe if JT sits they sign one of the vets and it's just an ugly backfield all year

I laughed when someone picked up Deon Jackson this morning. As if it really mattered if JT sits. I do believe Moss has talent however.

 

[kface]

Is anyone else worth picking up? I have to believe if JT sits they sign one of the vets and it's just an ugly backfield all year

I laughed when someone picked up Deon Jackson this morning. As if it really mattered if JT sits. I do believe Moss has talent however.

yea i've seen some movement in a couple of leagues but I don't feel comfy dropping anyone so early...

 

[RenegadeRoy]

I might not know what's going to happen to JT this season but I do know he won't be on my team. Seems like the best case scenario is he suits up and plays for a (what's shaping up to be) bad team that he doesn't want to play for to begin with.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This isnt the NBA and JT has no leverage. Expect this to get much uglier before opening day.

Even in the NFL teams have constantly been placating players desire to be moved, they just don't all get what they want, not a lot different then the NBA.

You are right this will get uglier, said that several days ago in here, and that ugliness is basically his leverage. I've seen about 10 different photo's of Taylor since camp opened and he looks pissed and engages with no one. That's his leverage to at least explore a trade return despite what Irsay is saying because that stuff is not what you want around. Boils down to will the Colts find a trade parter offering a good return, like Carolina did with CMC, or will the market be pretty much zilch as it was with Ekeler.

Taylor's looks like he's going to be tough nugget to figure out for the 2023 fantasy season over the next month or so. Despite someone like Jacobs not being under contract I am far more concerned about Taylor. The way the CBA works now I don't think he can hold out of games even if he was willing to give up about $250K a game because it would mess up an accrued year. But there are other ways he can make himself unavailable though he has to be cautious of any kind of overly bad look or bad performance.

Especially complicating JT’s situation is he’s essentially going to be a 1 year rental. So whatever team trades for him will have to give up assets, and then cough up a contract.

Not to split hairs, just chatting.

I know some view him as a one year rental and the impact that has on a trade. Not me.

He's not happy over his pay, not the team, so not sure how playing for another team on the same deal would change that.

Based on the current tag amounts he's basically contractually obligated to the Colts and any team that acquired him at 1 year for $4.3m/2 years for $14.4 or 3 years for $27M with the team who controls his rights having the ability to take the last two years on a year to year basis.

My point of view is his anyone inheriting that contract and control would view it very favorably, that his contract and control would be considered a major plus to have option of paying him or not over his age 24-26 season while never committing to long term commitment for an average of $9M at most if it all works out.

The problem goes back to the first thing I said which is his issue is with his pay and not the Colts so if that does not change his attitude likely does not either.

So to me I think any team that might up end up acquiring him would have to work out parameters of an extension first and that cost is the most prohibitive item in order to get a fair return on Taylor. Only other way I could see a team giving anything close to his value is Taylor let a team he wanted to go to know, in uncertain terms, he'd not fight against the tag if they don't reach a long term deal. Possible just to get out of Indy but not what I expect.

My main thing is just to say his current contract is actually a major plus but it's why this mess is going on and hard to think he'd just keep playing on it for someone else or anyone would give up much without planning to use the tag on him if they don't extend him first.

It’s a good point - and one i’d overlooked. Whomever brings him in would likely have to rework his current contract because as you said, that’s what he’s unhappy about it.

good catch

 

[humpback]

The zoom call worked AGAIN!!!

 

[massraider]

Dark horse: Seattle

Ken Walker III is dealing with a groin injury and Zach Charbonnet has a shoulder issue he’s having looked at, Pete carroll says

Just sayin

 

[King of the Jungle]

Ravens could trade Dobbins+ for Taylor. It would be more like a Madden trade, but TEN giving up Henry+ for Taylor. They like to run the ball over there and Henry is a senior citizen in running back years…

 

[JohnnyU]

Ravens could trade Dobbins+ for Taylor. It would be more like a Madden trade, but TEN giving up Henry+ for Taylor. They like to run the ball over there and Henry is a senior citizen in running back years…

I actually thought of Dobbins + earlier today as well. Forget the Henry angle. Colts wouldn’t do that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Ravens could trade Dobbins+ for Taylor. It would be more like a Madden trade, but TEN giving up Henry+ for Taylor. They like to run the ball over there and Henry is a senior citizen in running back years…

Where is Henry going in this scenario, and if BAL is dealing Dobbins to INDY, how is TEN getting JT?

Is this a 3-way deal?

 

[H8fulHuck]

There it is. JT "hurt his back" working out. Darn shame he can't participate till he gets traded.

 

[Dez]

There it is. JT "hurt his back" working out. Darn shame he can't participate till he gets traded.

The Colts are considering placing Taylor on the non-football injury due to a back injury that he sustained during the offseason, Mike Chappell of Fox 59 News Indianapolis reports.

Taylor began training camp on the active/PUP list after failing to pass his pre-camp physical. He's been rehabbing from January ankle surgery and is also dealing with a back injury that he sustained while working out on his own during the offseason.

 

[massraider]

Shoot your shot, JT

 

[TripItUp]

There it is. JT "hurt his back" working out. Darn shame he can't participate till he gets traded.

You're going to see a lot of RBs come down with mysterious injuries this year.

That's one way for the RBs to solve this problem.

 

[travdogg]

There it is. JT "hurt his back" working out. Darn shame he can't participate till he gets traded.

You're going to see a lot of RBs come down with mysterious injuries this year.

That's one way for the RBs to solve this problem.

Nothing says "pay me" like not being available.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That's one way for the RBs to solve this problem.

How does that solve the problem?

 

[The Big Donkey]

is there a problem?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Nothing says "pay me" like not being available.

On my drive home the FSN guys (one a former player) were discussing JT - that he is coming off injury, and had an 800 yard season. He has zero leverage here, and needs to go out and play to earn a new contract.

Miles Sanders balled out & got paid.

That’s seemingly his best option. Whomever is advising JT seems misguided.

 

[massraider]

That's one way for the RBs to solve this problem.

How does that solve the problem?

It's a part of a potential solution for JT's problem, which is no money now, and only one year of money next year.

Fake an injury, skip all of TC. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Show the team you aren't going to be a good soldier. Now they have a hostage, not a volunteer.

Now, this is not the most noble move of all time, but we are dealing with NFL owners here, so who give a **** about that? Fans will complain, but this is his best chance of getting what he wants. I promise the fans of his new team won't care about him faking an injury.

 

[travdogg]

Nothing says "pay me" like not being available.

On my drive home the FSN guys (one a former player) were discussing JT - that he is coming off injury, and had an 800 yard season. He has zero leverage here, and needs to go out and play to earn a new contract.

Miles Sanders balled out & got paid.

That’s seemingly his best option. Whomever is advising JT seems misguided.

Yeah, and he's Miles Sanders. A mediocre starter if there ever was one. Will he make it to the end of that contract? Debatable, but he got it. Same with Montgomery, average player, but decent deal. Taylor is WAY better than those guys, so is Jacobs, so is Pollard, who seems to be doing this smarter, perhaps because he's getting a monster raise on the tag.

That's one way for the RBs to solve this problem.

How does that solve the problem?

It's a part of a potential solution for JT's problem, which is no money now, and only one year of money next year.

Fake an injury, skip all of TC. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Show the team you aren't going to be a good soldier. Now they have a hostage, not a volunteer.

Now, this is not the most noble move of all time, but we are dealing with NFL owners here, so who give a **** about that? Fans will complain, but this is his best chance of getting what he wants. I promise the fans of his new team won't care about him faking an injury.

Why would I, as a GM, want to trade for a guy faking an injury for a new deal? What's to stop him from pulling that at a later date with me?

 

[Snoopy]

About to get uglier? https://twitter.com/mchappell51/status/1685803677926174720?s=20

 

[TripItUp]

It's a part of a potential solution for JT's problem, which is no money now, and only one year of money next year.

Fake an injury, skip all of TC. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Show the team you aren't going to be a good soldier. Now they have a hostage, not a volunteer.

Now, this is not the most noble move of all time, but we are dealing with NFL owners here, so who give a **** about that? Fans will complain, but this is his best chance of getting what he wants. I promise the fans of his new team won't care about him faking an injury.

 

[TripItUp]

is there a problem?

Yes, there is.