Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'll believe it when I see it. The Eagles are too smart to get mixed up in this mess.
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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (5 Viewers)
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packdog
Footballguy
yeah. looking further into the source it seems more like rumor than anything concrete. dolphins seem the most likely. they have pursued multiple high tier rbs all offseason. they may just pony up to not strike out again
massraider
Footballguy
This offseason alone has cured me of the big RB phenom.
How many owners traded the 1.1 in 2020 for a boatload of picks, so someone could get blue chip Jonathan Taylor? One monster season since, and no one wants their team to trade for him. Was he worth the big trade up? NOPE
RBs are a bad big investment for your dynasty roster.
How many owners traded the 1.1 in 2020 for a boatload of picks, so someone could get blue chip Jonathan Taylor? One monster season since, and no one wants their team to trade for him. Was he worth the big trade up? NOPE
RBs are a bad big investment for your dynasty roster.
massraider
Footballguy
Cardinals should do it. Tons of picks already, and plenty of cap space.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Bad team using draft capital to trade for an RB?…that would be funny…
massraider
Footballguy
Bad teams and good teams use draft capital every year on RBs.
The Cards have 24 in cap space this year alone, and they need a bunch of help.
Report: Broncos one of most interested teams in Jonathan Taylor
"From people that I talk to, multiple sources around the league...it's the Dolphins and it's the Broncos," Cecil Lammey said on 104.3 The Fan
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packdog
Footballguy
no way. not with that russ contract strangling them and javonte already there. that guy sounds like a local radio guy posting his wish fulfillment. they ain't gonna trade assets as they deprived themselves of plenty and give a rb a contract.Report: Broncos one of most interested teams in Jonathan Taylor
"From people that I talk to, multiple sources around the league...it's the Dolphins and it's the Broncos," Cecil Lammey said on 104.3 The Fan
Ben & Jerry's
Footballguy
I think Javonte + could get it done. Wilson's contract won't discourage Payton from finding a way if he's sold on JT.
Gong to say no to Denver,don't see it.
Assuming for a second he is traded, who here would not choose Miami if their life depended on guessing the team? I would.
Sat around thinking about this today, and sorry if it was mentioned in this thread, but if I had to guess the second team to make and offer I'd go with Washington.
Assuming for a second he is traded, who here would not choose Miami if their life depended on guessing the team? I would.
Sat around thinking about this today, and sorry if it was mentioned in this thread, but if I had to guess the second team to make and offer I'd go with Washington.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
That monster season was the #1 RB season that year. Over 2k total yards and 20 TD. Well over 100 VBD. That was a title winning season for any team with a average roster besides Taylor.
I would say that was worth a big trade for the #1 pick to get him by itself. He is only 24 years old. He might have another monster season again in his career.
To your overall point the average number of top 12 type seasons for a RB that ever had one is two. So it is rare for a RB to have more than 2 very good fantasy seasons. I don't think anyone should really be expecting more than that when valuing a RB for dynasty fantasy purposes. Some have had more than 2 obviously, but if you get one that does, I would just consider that a bonus.
WR careers last longer but very few burn as brightly or make as much of an impact in one season of FF as Taylor did in his monster season.
So while I mostly agree with your point, I just come to a different conclusion about it. Winning a title is worth that pick. If your dynasty team is bad and you earned that pick? Then sure trade it as your team isn't good enough for a star RB to help you win a title. You build your teams for longevity and focus on other positions than RB. But once your overall team is good enough it makes sense to swing for the fences and add a star RB to your roster to push your team to the mountain top.
The Frankman
Footballguy
YouTube Shorts - @benchwarmerbran - Jonathan Taylor Seeks a Trade
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Agreed.no way. not with that russ contract strangling them and javonte already there. that guy sounds like a local radio guy posting his wish fulfillment. they ain't gonna trade assets as they deprived themselves of plenty and give a rb a contract.Report: Broncos one of most interested teams in Jonathan Taylor
"From people that I talk to, multiple sources around the league...it's the Dolphins and it's the Broncos," Cecil Lammey said on 104.3 The Fan
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Besides, he can't do that because it would kill my Javonte Williams shares and we can't have that. No way, no how. I'll revolt and get mean.Agreed.no way. not with that russ contract strangling them and javonte already there. that guy sounds like a local radio guy posting his wish fulfillment. they ain't gonna trade assets as they deprived themselves of plenty and give a rb a contract.Report: Broncos one of most interested teams in Jonathan Taylor
"From people that I talk to, multiple sources around the league...it's the Dolphins and it's the Broncos," Cecil Lammey said on 104.3 The Fan
Rookiefever
Footballguy
Philly would be exciting and make sense for their team. Plus I’d be able to drop sermon. So win-win
Chaka
Footballguy
You have my permission to drop Sermon right now.
Scoresman
Footballguy
And all the Taylor Swift fantasy team names.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
With penny and swift ahead of him I think I’ll hold a bit longer. Besides, not ready to admit I was wrong with my late first round pick just yet lol
Chaka
Footballguy
Fair but, if that is your reasoning you might want to add Kareem Hunt & Leonard Fournette to your team too.
Oh, and Gainwell is also well in front of him.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Your patience is admirable. I was high on Sermon coming out, maybe he is a late blossomer.
joey
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I know that's what the heading says, but seems clickbait-ish.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
I liked him as well. 50 man rosters help.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Destin Adams
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The Los Angeles #Rams have expressed interest in #Colts RB Jonathan Taylor.
@TheDestinAdams
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The Los Angeles #Rams have expressed interest in #Colts RB Jonathan Taylor.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
If they were free agents I sure would. But why would you direct me to add them? They have absolutely nothing to do with sermon , swift or penny. Lots of rb3/4 are rostered across all leagues im in. With two not so durable rbs in the way this is the type of depth rb one would like to stash , no?
pinkstapler
Footballguy
The sad part is how it will be dictated down from management to the player in the locker room and likely a pushed narrative in the media the same way large companies do when the take advantage of their employees: "You're really letting the TEAM down you know. You're making things harder for your fellow coworkers. You should be grateful for the opportunity you already have, look at how many people out there are less fortunate than you." Actually even sadder people buy those BS boot licker excuses.
zamboni
Footballguy
Sorry, I was trying to do the Bugs Bunny thing.
I don't agree with any of this narrative. I'd phrase it a different way but would come across as insulting.
The NFL is not the bad guy because they are not paying RB's.
For starters the cap is basically allocated out so the money is going out it's just going to other positions, like QB,at a higher rate then it used. Painting this as something to do with greed is wildly off base to me.
As Chris Ballard said the market is the market. It's supply and demand, economics 101. You are not a greedy jerk or needs to get burned if you don't want to pay someone $500K for a house that no one is paying more then $400K to buy.
I'll also be clear I see no ambiguity with the Colts not wanting to offer Taylor an extension but at the same time wanting a first or equal value back. None. They own his rights for 3 more seasons if they want without needing to extend him. They don't need to extend him and have no reason to give him up cheaply to another team to own his rights.
I don't think there is a villain in any of this but if I had to pick one it would be the NFLPA which frankly did not consider the impact to the RB position in the CBA. But I hesitate to label them as they negotiated what they thought was a deal better for the entire league. They just failed to properly factor in impact of the rookie contract/tag on a position that is often petering out or declining in the 26-28 range.
Don't get me wrong. I root for RBs' to get paid. They deserve it and a point I don't see people bringing up is that star RB's offer value to the league and their teams above and beyond on field performance. Fantasy football, having the ball in their hands so often. Secondary to QB's it could be argued they are the marquee attractions that help grow profits and the game. I just don't think the owners are to blame because the market cratered due to supply and demand along with longevity issues.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Doesn't look like anything special.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Do I see Miami doing this? Maybe. Everything has to break just right however. Indy has got to be willing to take a deal that is within the cluster**** of what they have created, not what they are banging their chest about. Taylor needs to be slow playing this "injury" so he is ready to go out of the gate, and finally Taylor has to understand that Miami will make the contract "look good" but he has to prepare to be one of the "restructure" guys as Miami enters cap jail in a few years...
zamboni
Footballguy
That's a team I hadn't thought of. Might make sense, although haven't they traded a lot of their future draft capital already?
Chaka
Footballguy
Not being critical. I just don't think Sermon would be in any kind of feature role even if Swift and Penny went down. I think they would dust off a veteran RB from the scrap heap and Sermon would be competing with that back for touches behind Gainwell.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I wonder, what is the market interest would be for a RB who can't/won't stay on the field? I also wonder, what said players market value would be if his backup outperformed him while employing this tactic?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
This bolded is, what I think, is holding RB contracts down. I don't know about outperform, but a mid-round rookie can come in and produce 75%-80% of the vet at a fraction of the cost. The savings is then invested into higher priority positions like QB, O line, and DE. Build a quality O line and you don't need a stud RB. Just a fact of today's NFL.
rockaction
Footballguy
meno, the salary cap itself is a function of owners worth billions of dollars artificially setting a ceiling on the marketplace for labor. It is greed.
I have no side to take, nor bone to pick, but looking at it like an economist would, there is no supply and demand market for labor like in the rest of the world. There's basically a monopoly and monopsony, and nobody gets paid what they're worth because of market distortions in the name of franchise fairness and keeping costs down for the "lower revenue" franchises.
It's a distorted market right away with the draft, and continues to be so under the CBA. Courts haven't gotten in the way only because the league makes compelling arguments that the restriction on labor is necessary for league survival. That and other technical legal doctrines that I forget right now.
A good sports lawyer would know why they're not in violation of basic anti-trust and laws that ensure eighteen year olds have the right to seek employment without artificial barriers to their procuring of said employment, but I don't at the moment even though I took Sports Law in law school. I've forgotten the technical arguments of law behind the courts' reasoning.
We won't agree.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree with Chaka in regards to Sermon. Even in a super deep league I dont think he is worth rostering as there are other long shots that could be rostered instead.
I would prefer a mystery box player with better path to opportunity over Sermon who I think we know by now is not very good.
MTskibum
Footballguy
I also disagree, I think the leagues with salary cap like NBA and NFL are way better than leagues like MLB and premier league. If you get rid of the salary cap then only the richest owners would win and half the teams would have no chance due to lack of money.
Rookiefever
Footballguy
It is slim Pickens on the ww. Atm there’s around 540 players rostered. Not much left
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami is "inching closer" if you look around Twitter
2nd Rd pick plus a Day 2 pick with "conditions attached"
-not factual, just sharing what I see plus that's about where I thought they were yesterday
-some say deal is done, working on the extension before the announcement, fan base is going to feel suckered if JT isn't actually coming to Miami.
2nd Rd pick plus a Day 2 pick with "conditions attached"
-not factual, just sharing what I see plus that's about where I thought they were yesterday
-some say deal is done, working on the extension before the announcement, fan base is going to feel suckered if JT isn't actually coming to Miami.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
So do I. Would be lovely if the tagging system didn't exist so we could find out. I'd bet just about any amount that we still won't find out Taylor's worth next season either, because even if he misses games over ticky tack injuries and is out performed by his backup, he will still be tagged by the Colts next year. Despite those reasons you named to paint as things lowering his value. Because what currently exists is a controlled market working almost the opposite of the diamond market.
And to meno, I don't aim paint anyone as the bad guy. Neither owners taking advantage of bad league rules and settings the same way I wouldn't blame multi-millionaires taking advantage of tax law and loopholes in an effort to pay as little as possible. There are people who would do the same exact thing they are in those situations, and there are liars who claim they wouldn't lol. Nor do I blame players exercising whatever loopholes they can to combat it. We are aligned that if anyone is to blame it's the NFLPA but even that is a shade of gray for reasons you pointed out. Really I just blame the rules and hope they get changed at the next available opportunity. But I've said my peace on this topic several times so I'll leave it at that.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I hear you. Hard to find anything else, I get that.
I still think its worthwhile to look. You never know. Or at least consider that roster spot for churning speculative pick ups. Sermon should be one of the first players you look to cut is what our point is.
nittanylion
Footballguy
I don't have time to explain it right now (I'm traveling abroad), but the NFL Business model is unique and designed to look at things from a macro-economic perspective first, microeconomic second. The model is the way it is for the good of the League as a whole, and the fans, who buy tickets and merchandise, and watch on TV.
It's critical the success of the League and the maintainance of the fan base that every Team has at least some chance to be in contention for a playoff berth, postseason run and/or a Super Bowl appearance at the beginning of every Season. The Draft and Salary Cap are critical to this. Perhaps likeminded others can expound on this while I'm unable to.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
In addition, Rams are projected to win 6.5 this year, not my first guess for Taylor.
Chaka
Footballguy
540?Does your league have a television contract? Because you should be getting paid to participate in a league like that.
I guess, keeping Sermon makes more sense now.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I don't see how the salary cap should take anything away from the free market, proportionally anyway. In theory, if you increase the salary cap 10%, each team would make the same exact decisions, and pay each player 10% more than they would have before.
The draft definitely creates a weird market situation.
The weird parts to me are all the goofy complicated rules for contracts, like the franchise tag. Why? In general, I am usually of the opinion that "no rule is truly unfair" as long as everyone knows all the rules going in ... but still, some rules just "make sense" and some just don't. Well, you're worth x, but we're going to use this rule to pay you x/2 ...
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If Akers plus is coming back to Indy it makes sense, otherwise no.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Worst defense in the league is going to sink assets and cap space on a RB?
