Craig_MiamiFL
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Probably fair but I expect he'll go before then
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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (2 Viewers)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Irsay's Twitter statements notwithstanding, how have the Colts handled this wrong? Should they have buckled and threw out his rookie deal and give him a big contract? Or trade him for peanuts?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wonder what JT’s agent was thinking.
I mean, this is presumably why players pay agents.
I mean, this is presumably why players pay agents.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
JT needs to have thicker skin and stop thinking with his emotions instead of his brain. If he chooses to sit after coming off the PUP and he's not traded, then if he doesn't collect another paycheck IN 2023 that is on him. He's getting poor advice from someone. Didn't Derrick Henry play his entire rookie contract and had the franchise tag at least once?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Undraftable.
I’m not certain he suits up for the Colts this year. It’s possible he misses some game checks & has a come to Jesus moment when the electric bill shows up, but it’s possible he doesn’t play this year.
Who wants to gamble on that?
Not to mention spending starter draft capital on a guaranteed doorstop for 1/4 of the season. And when he does come back, the Colts still have one of the worst OL in the NFL.
I’ll let someone else take that shot.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Make him active and fine the crap out of him if he doesn't want to play.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Make public what they offered, if it was a good offer, so people can call JT an idiot publicly.
Or, have not put him on PUP and continued to try and deal. That was real stupid
Being on the PUP, he's still getting paid while sitting on the couch. I'd imagine that he's not going to do anything to stop that.Look, Irsay and the Colts are doing the right thing. JT is under contract and if chooses not to honor it, that's all on him. I'm sick and tired of players not honoring their contract. I don't care if he ever plays for Indy again, and if he doesn't and he is not traded, then his butt is sitting on his couch without a paycheck. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.Irsay seems like a complete tool, but again, we have no idea what JT was looking for here.4 years, 22.5 million, about 13M of which is guaranteed and averaging 5.5 per season. Announced in the middle of all this. Then they don't open the wallet for JT to get $7Mwhat...what???Don't forget they also handed out the 2nd highest contract in history to a kicker this offseason!Jim Irsay somehow managed to handle his star RB worse than Joe Schoen... badmouthed Taylor with that weird "if I died" comment, made up a fake injury for him and PUP'd him, then after all that wanted a first rounder for him despite refusing to pay him due to the RB market (and arguably the position in general) dying?
Oh, a masterclass in being an absolute piece of crap owner
I'd expect that once he comes back, he'll have a string of minor injuries that are just serious enough to keep him from playing on Sunday.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
exactly my thoughts - how in the **** was/is this part of their vision?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don’t think they can extend him yet - but yes the Twitter statement was idiotic and they should have been meeting with him to smooth things over instead of drunk tweets.
And yes once again - they should have worked harder to find a decent deal if they weren’t going to use him anyway. Now they throw a rookie QB out there with a declining o-line and one less weapon to help out Richardson and for defenses to worry about.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
everything elser aside, do you believe he is truly hurt? because why would they activate him then and not now? if he is healthy I mean.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s either a shark love or a shart move.Is the shark move to start throwing offers at the JT owner who took him in the second round? Or is this a avoid at all cost scenario?
Asking for a friend
Not sure i’d want to give up anything of value for him in redraft right now.
Maybe if he gets traded, but this just tanked some of his trade value.
I don’t see JT dynasty shareholders moving him at rock bottom.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's what I would do if I thought there was 0% chance he would play this year, but I still believe the Colts think he will come to his senses. He needs to fire his agent and quit listening to whatever idiots he's listening to.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Yep.Being on the PUP, he's still getting paid while sitting on the couch. I'd imagine that he's not going to do anything to stop that.Look, Irsay and the Colts are doing the right thing. JT is under contract and if chooses not to honor it, that's all on him. I'm sick and tired of players not honoring their contract. I don't care if he ever plays for Indy again, and if he doesn't and he is not traded, then his butt is sitting on his couch without a paycheck. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.Irsay seems like a complete tool, but again, we have no idea what JT was looking for here.4 years, 22.5 million, about 13M of which is guaranteed and averaging 5.5 per season. Announced in the middle of all this. Then they don't open the wallet for JT to get $7Mwhat...what???Don't forget they also handed out the 2nd highest contract in history to a kicker this offseason!Jim Irsay somehow managed to handle his star RB worse than Joe Schoen... badmouthed Taylor with that weird "if I died" comment, made up a fake injury for him and PUP'd him, then after all that wanted a first rounder for him despite refusing to pay him due to the RB market (and arguably the position in general) dying?
Oh, a masterclass in being an absolute piece of crap owner
I'd expect that once he comes back, he'll have a string of minor injuries that are just serious enough to keep him from playing on Sunday.
The colts are doing the work for him
The Frankman
Footballguy
Simple, you trade him for a 2nd/two 3rds. You can't refuse to pay him and cite "RB markets sucks bro" and then want a 1st as if the RB market isn't dying. Colts have been VERY public about wanting a 1st for him or "something adding up to a 1st" which makes no sense. Then the weird Irsay comments (drunk?) didn't help.
Also, lying about him being hurt (back pain)? Classy.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No one looks good here.
massraider
Footballguy
Anyone think he's planning on doing this? He hasn't made any statements to that effect and he reported to camp. He's gonna miss all of TC and 4 games, without costing himself a nickel. He can come in and play for 6 games, and take himself out after that, and have a full season accrued.
If he has been using emotions so far, not too shabby.
You want to see emotional people not using their brains?
Bookmark this thread the next 6 weeks.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Fair point
Zow
Footballguy
Are you equally tired of franchises cutting players, then?Look, Irsay and the Colts are doing the right thing. JT is under contract and if chooses not to honor it, that's all on him. I'm sick and tired of players not honoring their contract. I don't care if he ever plays for Indy again, and if he doesn't and he is not traded, then his butt is sitting on his couch without a paycheck. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.Irsay seems like a complete tool, but again, we have no idea what JT was looking for here.4 years, 22.5 million, about 13M of which is guaranteed and averaging 5.5 per season. Announced in the middle of all this. Then they don't open the wallet for JT to get $7Mwhat...what???Don't forget they also handed out the 2nd highest contract in history to a kicker this offseason!Jim Irsay somehow managed to handle his star RB worse than Joe Schoen... badmouthed Taylor with that weird "if I died" comment, made up a fake injury for him and PUP'd him, then after all that wanted a first rounder for him despite refusing to pay him due to the RB market (and arguably the position in general) dying?
Oh, a masterclass in being an absolute piece of crap owner
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It is what it is. Honor the contract you signed. Derrick Henry did and played with the franchise tag in addition to honoring his rookie contract. What makes JT deserve more than Henry?Are you equally tired of franchises cutting players, then?Look, Irsay and the Colts are doing the right thing. JT is under contract and if chooses not to honor it, that's all on him. I'm sick and tired of players not honoring their contract. I don't care if he ever plays for Indy again, and if he doesn't and he is not traded, then his butt is sitting on his couch without a paycheck. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.Irsay seems like a complete tool, but again, we have no idea what JT was looking for here.4 years, 22.5 million, about 13M of which is guaranteed and averaging 5.5 per season. Announced in the middle of all this. Then they don't open the wallet for JT to get $7Mwhat...what???Don't forget they also handed out the 2nd highest contract in history to a kicker this offseason!Jim Irsay somehow managed to handle his star RB worse than Joe Schoen... badmouthed Taylor with that weird "if I died" comment, made up a fake injury for him and PUP'd him, then after all that wanted a first rounder for him despite refusing to pay him due to the RB market (and arguably the position in general) dying?
Oh, a masterclass in being an absolute piece of crap owner
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
But the teams don’t honor them? The non-guaranteed part is team friendly and leaves the player with no leverage.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
With Taylor still on roster it would just seem silly to give money to another RB like Hunt. The optics seem weird.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
What a disaster
Minor quibble but Henry never actually played under the franchise tag, they worked out an extension that same offseason he was tagged. He did play out his original 4 year contract as you said though. We'll see if Taylor does after these first four games on the PUP.It is what it is. Honor the contract you signed. Derrick Henry did and played with the franchise tag in addition to honoring his rookie contract. What makes JT deserve more than Henry?Are you equally tired of franchises cutting players, then?Look, Irsay and the Colts are doing the right thing. JT is under contract and if chooses not to honor it, that's all on him. I'm sick and tired of players not honoring their contract. I don't care if he ever plays for Indy again, and if he doesn't and he is not traded, then his butt is sitting on his couch without a paycheck. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.Irsay seems like a complete tool, but again, we have no idea what JT was looking for here.4 years, 22.5 million, about 13M of which is guaranteed and averaging 5.5 per season. Announced in the middle of all this. Then they don't open the wallet for JT to get $7Mwhat...what???Don't forget they also handed out the 2nd highest contract in history to a kicker this offseason!Jim Irsay somehow managed to handle his star RB worse than Joe Schoen... badmouthed Taylor with that weird "if I died" comment, made up a fake injury for him and PUP'd him, then after all that wanted a first rounder for him despite refusing to pay him due to the RB market (and arguably the position in general) dying?
Oh, a masterclass in being an absolute piece of crap owner
dipandglide
Footballguy
It's all ego. RBs need to suck it up and honor the agreement. This whining about getting paid is becoming stale, whether right or wrong. RBs are SOL until a new agreement is done. They didn't learn anything from the Bell situation.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think they stick with what they have until Taylor (in theory) comes back. Maybe add a guy on waivers like Bam Knight.
If he’s traded after week 4, some of these guys will still be street free agents. Fournette and Hunt are still out there even now.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Maybe don’t draft a potential stud RB in the 2nd round unless you want to pay him.
And if you don’t want to pay him, don’t pretend that he’s suddenly worth a 1st round pick.
Just an absolute idiotically run franchise.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Jonathan Taylor will not be traded. To start season on PUP and miss first 4 games.
www.espn.com
Colts don't trade Taylor; RB remains on PUP list
The Colts did not find what it felt was a fair value offer for running back Jonathan Taylor and did not trade the All-Pro running back Tuesday.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Thx for the updateJonathan Taylor will not be traded. To start season on PUP and miss first 4 games.
Colts don't trade Taylor; RB remains on PUP list
The Colts did not find what it felt was a fair value offer for running back Jonathan Taylor and did not trade the All-Pro running back Tuesday.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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They are playing under the agreement the players union and owners agreed to.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes, both sides are.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Then Taylor needs to, as what was said earlier, "suck it up" until a new agreement is made.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Disagree. We can leave it there.
The Frankman
Footballguy
"Honor the agreement" ... what makes you think with the Colts were going to give JT a fair agreement down the line? With the way the market has cratered Colts would have run him into the ground, tagged him, and then cut him when he started to show any decline. That's the whole point of RBs wanting to get paid early and to ignore the current economics of the position is odd, but then again that's basically what Jim Irsay has done constantly.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
No, he doesn't need to
Chaka
Footballguy
#### that. The idea that rookies negotiate contracts is an illusion.
"Suck it up", and risk virtually your entire potential lifetime earnings, for the good of the team is a false construct.
JT worked minimum wage, at best, for the good of his coaches and institutions for six/seven years before his first, non-negotiated NFL paycheck.
Burn it down JT!!!
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It would be cool if they could somehow figure out pay/contract structures so we can stop worrying every year about who's gonna hold out, or stuff like this, or Bell..........
No easy task for sure
Chaka
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
No, he doesn't. Just like you don't "need" to honor your employment contract.
He's not an indentured servant.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
New problem, 20 teams have zero chance ever again.
That and even more guys will hold out.
Chaka
Footballguy
They need to suck it up.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Colts and the NFL 100% deserve this. I'm just glad the Raiders came to their senses and threw Jacobs at least a one-yr bone. ****'s ridiculous. And for all of you who keep saying the RBs haven't learned anything from Flaveon, both Saquan and Jacobs made some hay under a dim sun, and now watch JT come back for his six-game accrual, quietly quit, then go back on vacation once the accrual is done.
Colts would be wise to continue to try to trade JT to a fresh start somewhere, anywhere else, but if past is prologue, they will continue to allow this cancer to fester. They've been trying to pickup nickels in front of a steam roller this whole time.
Colts would be wise to continue to try to trade JT to a fresh start somewhere, anywhere else, but if past is prologue, they will continue to allow this cancer to fester. They've been trying to pickup nickels in front of a steam roller this whole time.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Bottom line is Taylor agreed to a contract. The Colts are obligated to pay the guaranteed portion of that contract. I understand when a player feels like he deserves more. I also understand when an organization does not want to pay more than the original contract. They both have the right to their opinion. Maybe the Colts had no intention of resigning him after this year but hoped he would play out his contract to help their new QB. Is that a moral/ethical/illegal approach? I think Irsay unsurprisingly handled this poorly, however without knowing his true intention I am not sure I disagree with his decision. Things I would need to know to decide:
1. Did you plan on extending JT or was he not in your plans for the future?
2. What was offered in trade?
1. Did you plan on extending JT or was he not in your plans for the future?
2. What was offered in trade?
