I don't believe this to be accurate.
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RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (4 Viewers)
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taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Thanks for your take. Seems reasonable. I’d like to see more progress on a resolution next week and I see your points about the situation lingering on a little longer.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Agreed. I think after all this he would accept a reasonable one to leave. Imo
LawFitz
Footballguy
I think he'd be very happy to leave and play on his current contract if he receives assurance that he won't be franchised next offseason.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Why would he not play another down for them under his current contract? He is contractually obligated too. He played his hand and ultimately lost. He has no more moves but to play. Could the Colts waiver a bit and pay him a new contract? I guess. Unlikely. Could they trade him? I guess. They kinda tried. Sure feels like his only move is to play out contract with Colts this year and pray he don't get hurt. It's rough.
He either plays for them, or the Ravens or another team who desperately need a RB for this year and the future find a way to get a deal done
It doesn’t make sense to me that the Colts wouldn’t try to get value out of him by …
A.playing him
or
B. Trading him and getting some picks
If he gets traded The Ravens are a great option.
Win/win imop. But the wildcard in all this is Irsay,how vindictive might he be?
Yeah he might be the biggest douche as far as owners now that Snyder took that title with him lol
FarFromHome
Footballguy
It's the big question right? I don't know. He has been a TV type guy for awhile. He also seems vindictive enough to make Taylor swallow his pride and play the season with contract as is.
Why would he play until the last second to ensure he can become a FA? I'd think he plays it safe and unless he's traded, he does not see the field until after Halloween.
Banger
Footballguy
My take is that JT made his play, didn't get love he thought he would/should and then the team played hard ball with him and put him in his place. JT and his agent has been quiet so it seems like things have settled down from his side. I think he comes off the PUP next week and plays like he always has.
Hope so... although its vs TEN which is a top 2 rush defense
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
In one of those reports my dream was mentioned: Taylor goes to the Rams. Really at this point there are 4 teams in play that I could see (maybe a 5th).
1) Indy: All depends if ego can be set aside, but the colts are proving that they are not "crap" so maybe Taylor says what the heck
1A) The colts keep him on PUP or take him off and use the 3 weeks until they have to promote him to figure things out. This means the Taylor waiting game doesn't end until week 7
2) Green Bay: well, they just lost to Detroit and their running game has not gotten on track. I'd say their Oline is the bigger issue.
3) Baltimore. I just don't see this, as the Ravens don't trade and they havea few other guys they can try out before getting desperate.
4) The Rams. Kyren is not setting the world on fire, and the Rams are not as dead as many thought. With Kupp about to return, Team F them picks makes a move.
5) Houston? - Don't see it, but Stroud is the goods, so maybe they get him a better RB than Pierce?
Tampa is another team but they have to believe they have a shot and White is not the answer. I do not see that one at all but Mayfield has made them "Viable" but I think they want a QB next draft.
1) Indy: All depends if ego can be set aside, but the colts are proving that they are not "crap" so maybe Taylor says what the heck
1A) The colts keep him on PUP or take him off and use the 3 weeks until they have to promote him to figure things out. This means the Taylor waiting game doesn't end until week 7
2) Green Bay: well, they just lost to Detroit and their running game has not gotten on track. I'd say their Oline is the bigger issue.
3) Baltimore. I just don't see this, as the Ravens don't trade and they havea few other guys they can try out before getting desperate.
4) The Rams. Kyren is not setting the world on fire, and the Rams are not as dead as many thought. With Kupp about to return, Team F them picks makes a move.
5) Houston? - Don't see it, but Stroud is the goods, so maybe they get him a better RB than Pierce?
Tampa is another team but they have to believe they have a shot and White is not the answer. I do not see that one at all but Mayfield has made them "Viable" but I think they want a QB next draft.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
My ignorant and uneducated guess is that JTaylor will be suiting up and playing for the Colts next week. This would seem to me what the Colts would prefer at this moment unless they somehow get the trade terms they want.
There is no reporter who has been more on top of this then Holder, he was for instance speculating that Taylor would ask for a trade days before he ever did or anyone reported it. So I listen to him and would encourage others to as well.
Saying that this article did nothing to allay my concerns that everything is going to be peachy this upcoming Monday.
Invested a lot and hope this works out if a trade can't be done but still feeling very uneasy about things working out otherwise.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
Interesting. Basically the same thing they did with Minkah but on offense. Have they ever traded for an offensive skill player in the Tomlin era?
This off-season they traded for Allen Robinson. Obviously a different degree of trade/player.
I know ESPN+ wrote an article last week where they created 4 trade scenarios and one was the Steelers. I never read the article, would guess Najee was part of that trade. That's just dudes spitballing for clicks so does not really much other then to say it's not a wild idea in theory.
yep. if I were in his shoes I'd keep my demands with the Colts, but would lower them to play for another team.
so if hes asking for 15 Mil from the colts, maybe he only wants 8 or 9 mil to play for anyone else. (FYI the numbers may not be accurate or realistic, they are made up for illustrative purposes so please no comments about whether these numbers are accurate or reasonable. they probably arent)
massraider
Footballguy
6 games.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
The Rams make sense and McVay/top brass routinely make these big moves. They are in cap hell but I’m sure contracts could be restructured to get him. Longshot but not impossible
Does make a lot of sense. Kyren Williams is just a change of pace back
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe players receive credit while they are injured on the IR
If that's true than Taylor only needs to take the field a couple times
-As an aside, I didn't like hearing that Taylor likely could ave played Week 1. And if not he was certainly ready by Week 2 and yet they put him down for 4 weeks
Something just doesn't seem right, still think the Colts might want to trade him
I still can't escape that meeting Taylor had with Irsay. After that meeting Taylor wanted out immediately.
What has changed?
If I'm the Colts, I get what I can for him. Richardson looks like the real deal, Moss is performing, the D seems better than advertised. Get some more draft capitol and continue rebuilding vs. souring the locker room with Taylor.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
"Get what I can for him"? Why would the Colts sell low on Taylor? They hold all the cards and can franchise him next year and the year after that. I don't think Taylor would be a locker room cancer either and can't afford to sit without a paycheck on that rookie contract.
why would you franchise a guy at over 10 M per year who refuses to play for you?
in the end, I think he plays enough games to count as a season played. if he isnt available to play 10 games (I think its 10) the last year of his contract is considered to be not fulfilled. so I do think he sees the field this year. Time on the PUP counts towards that 10 game limit.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If you franchise him next year and the year after that and he refuses to play, he doesn't get paid for the games he sits out without injury. I don't think he wants to miss the paychecks.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
This is the key question and where next week will be interesting. He is "eligible" to come off PUP next week, but that doesn't mean it happens. If he is not off PUP by week 7 then it would be a full year IR designation and I'm sure Taylor would have a grivence there bc of the eligibility rules et al (I could be wrong on this, only read it from one source)
More likely they activate from PUP next week and have 3 weeks then to add him to the active roster. So, at that point Taylor comes to the facility. He may again request a trade, and we are a month away from the trade deadline so Indy can do whatever at that point.
The real question is are they as entrenched as they were at the beginning of September? If yes, then the Colts have no immediacy to take him off PUP and can drag this to the deadline. If Taylor wants to play, he can and then once he is off the PUP and on the field be a shmuck again about it and then see what happens.
Considering the Colts (Irsay) were being unreasonable with their "asks" in the last trade go around and with Moss looking decent in place of Taylor (and Arich looking good too) do the Colts decide that a few picks from somone like LA makes sense in the mode they are in where Richardson already looks like a viable QB then they could wave bye bye to taylor for a something like the CMAC deal.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Reminds me of the scene in the cartoon Incredibles. They are running away from an explosion and she is getting on him for something and he screams I'm just happy your alive. All this where he plays talk, will he play talk is real, but I'm just happy it appears he is healthy.
He requested a trade before that meeting ever took place.
Well he's getting paid the first 4 weeks this year and he's not really hurt so.....
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He was hurt. To say otherwise is wrong imo.
He was not hurt. Irsay said before came opened he was healthy. If you read the article by Holdler yesterday he says they put him on PUP as a "timeout'. He had ankle surgery 9 months ago. That's not that long of a recovery and all of sudden an injury he could not recover from in 8 months he's magically recovered from now.
Tell me I'm wrong all you want, time for you to open your eyes.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
You're wrong.
Not really hurt? Please provide details on this as he is coming off ankle surgery. Perhaps you have insider information. Please do share.
Not that long of recovery? Can you tell me more about the details of his ankle surgery? Again, perhaps you have insider information but I would think the range of recovery from ankle surgery is pretty wide depending on the extent of the surgery.
And all of a sudden he's magically recovered? He's had an extra 4 weeks to recover.
Evidence 1:
So on Wednesday(January 25th), Taylor underwent an arthroscopic debridement, a minimally invasive procedure to clean out the ankle. It was extremely successful, Taylor said, with Anderson -- whom he called, "the man, the legend" -- finding no structural damage.
My comment: general recovery time for this procedure is 4 weeks for normal people, longer for athletes. Not 8 months.
Evidence 2:
July 10th: Irsay added these at the end:-On Jonathan Taylor: “Jonathan is healed up.”
Evidence 3:
Placing Taylor on the PUP list prior to Week 1 was, essentially, a timeout.
www.espn.com
Evidence 4 and 5:
sicscore.com
PLAYER INSIGHTS
Will begin season on PUP list - Jonathan Taylor is healthy but his relationship with the Colts organization is not - possible he “holds-in” using his offseason ankle surgery as leverage to not play for a team that won't pay him
NFL files grievance against NFLPA over advising running backs to fake injuries for leverage
Closing statement. Taylor is an extremely intelligent man who would understand you don't expect a long term extension or a team to trade for you if you can't pass a physical.
I rest my case.
So on Wednesday(January 25th), Taylor underwent an arthroscopic debridement, a minimally invasive procedure to clean out the ankle. It was extremely successful, Taylor said, with Anderson -- whom he called, "the man, the legend" -- finding no structural damage.
My comment: general recovery time for this procedure is 4 weeks for normal people, longer for athletes. Not 8 months.
Evidence 2:
July 10th: Irsay added these at the end:-On Jonathan Taylor: “Jonathan is healed up.”
Evidence 3:
Placing Taylor on the PUP list prior to Week 1 was, essentially, a timeout.
Colts' Jonathan Taylor 'looks great' in workouts, eligible to return Monday
The next chapter in the saga of Taylor, who wants to be traded, may be written soon.
Evidence 4 and 5:
Jonathan Taylor Injury History & Updates | SIC Score
Track Jonathan Taylor injury history, projections, and updates with expert analysis from Sports Injury Central (SICScore.com).
PLAYER INSIGHTS
Will begin season on PUP list - Jonathan Taylor is healthy but his relationship with the Colts organization is not - possible he “holds-in” using his offseason ankle surgery as leverage to not play for a team that won't pay him
NFL files grievance against NFLPA over advising running backs to fake injuries for leverage
Closing statement. Taylor is an extremely intelligent man who would understand you don't expect a long term extension or a team to trade for you if you can't pass a physical.
I rest my case.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
….or perform to show he’s really healthyEvidence 1:
So on Wednesday(January 25th), Taylor underwent an arthroscopic debridement, a minimally invasive procedure to clean out the ankle. It was extremely successful, Taylor said, with Anderson -- whom he called, "the man, the legend" -- finding no structural damage.
My comment: general recovery time for this procedure is 4 weeks for normal people, longer for athletes. Not 8 months.
Evidence 2:
July 10th: Irsay added these at the end:-On Jonathan Taylor: “Jonathan is healed up.”
Evidence 3:
Placing Taylor on the PUP list prior to Week 1 was, essentially, a timeout.
Colts' Jonathan Taylor 'looks great' in workouts, eligible to return Monday
The next chapter in the saga of Taylor, who wants to be traded, may be written soon.
Evidence 4 and 5:
Jonathan Taylor Injury History & Updates | SIC Score
Track Jonathan Taylor injury history, projections, and updates with expert analysis from Sports Injury Central (SICScore.com).
PLAYER INSIGHTS
Will begin season on PUP list - Jonathan Taylor is healthy but his relationship with the Colts organization is not - possible he “holds-in” using his offseason ankle surgery as leverage to not play for a team that won't pay him
NFL files grievance against NFLPA over advising running backs to fake injuries for leverage
Closing statement. Taylor is an extremely intelligent man who would understand you don't expect a long term extension or a team to trade for you if you can't pass a physical.
I rest my case.
Moss going off really destroyed whatever leverage Taylor had left. 
I'm still confused though. He's hurt and they tried getting a first rounder for him? Seems to me this is one big dog and pony show. I keep forgetting I have Taylor in a lot of leagues, a lot of my teams would benefit with a RB1 coming out of the ether.
Who would even trade for him at this point that would be a better situation than Indy?
What a ****show, worst destruction of a RB's "brand" since Leveon Bell. Dude has to comeback and ball out now.
I'm still confused though. He's hurt and they tried getting a first rounder for him? Seems to me this is one big dog and pony show. I keep forgetting I have Taylor in a lot of leagues, a lot of my teams would benefit with a RB1 coming out of the ether.
Who would even trade for him at this point that would be a better situation than Indy?
What a ****show, worst destruction of a RB's "brand" since Leveon Bell. Dude has to comeback and ball out now.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Kyren Williams has one of the worst athletic profiles for a skill position player that you will ever see. This guy defines "replaceable". He wont be their starting RB next year, so JT definitely makes sense. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/kyren-williams
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Boy, do I disagree with this take. Bell was old and battered at the time of his shenanigans. JT is what, 24? JT has plenty of leverage. Moss playing well actually helps him achieve his goal, which is to get the F out of Indi.Moss going off really destroyed whatever leverage Taylor had left.
I'm still confused though. He's hurt and they tried getting a first rounder for him? Seems to me this is one big dog and pony show. I keep forgetting I have Taylor in a lot of leagues, a lot of my teams would benefit with a RB1 coming out of the ether.
Who would even trade for him at this point that would be a better situation than Indy?
What a ****show, worst destruction of a RB's "brand" since Leveon Bell. Dude has to comeback and ball out now.
The whole "they can franchise him 2 more times" argument is also baffling, If thats the plan, then just pay him his extension. They clearly dont want to pay a RB that kind of cash - which is understandable in today's NFL.
He is a cancer on their roster who could hurt the development of a prized rookie QB, AND they will lose him next year to free agency. They might get a compensatory pick which would be a late 3rd, at best. It could be nada if they sign any free agents. They can either choose to trade him, or let him pollute the locker room of a team that is winning behind a strong running game without him, and then watch him walk away next year.
If Irsay lets his ego make his decisions, then they may keep him around. If he allows his brain to make the decision, it is not complicated.
Bell was 25 in his last year in Pittsburgh. He was coming off a far more impressive season than Taylor, where he had 1900 total yards and 11 TDs.Boy, do I disagree with this take. Bell was old and battered at the time of his shenanigans. JT is what, 24? JT has plenty of leverage.Moss going off really destroyed whatever leverage Taylor had left.
I'm still confused though. He's hurt and they tried getting a first rounder for him? Seems to me this is one big dog and pony show. I keep forgetting I have Taylor in a lot of leagues, a lot of my teams would benefit with a RB1 coming out of the ether.
Who would even trade for him at this point that would be a better situation than Indy?
What a ****show, worst destruction of a RB's "brand" since Leveon Bell. Dude has to comeback and ball out now.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
He had played 5 seasons by the time he finished up in Pittsburgh in 2018 and was born in Feb 1992. I think that he was 26 at the time (just after his last season in Pit ended) but more importantly, had a lot more wear on him than Taylor has. Then he missed an entire season, coming back, if I am not messing up the math, at age 27 - roughly about the time many RBs begin to reach the cliff. I'm not gonna do a touches analysis, but I would bet my left testy that Bell had at least 300 more touches when he finished in Pittsburgh than what Taylor has now. Thats a very safe number - its probably more like 600.Bell was 25 in his last year in Pittsburgh. He was coming off a far more impressive season than Taylor, where he had 1900 total yards and 11 TDs.Boy, do I disagree with this take. Bell was old and battered at the time of his shenanigans. JT is what, 24? JT has plenty of leverage.Moss going off really destroyed whatever leverage Taylor had left.
I'm still confused though. He's hurt and they tried getting a first rounder for him? Seems to me this is one big dog and pony show. I keep forgetting I have Taylor in a lot of leagues, a lot of my teams would benefit with a RB1 coming out of the ether.
Who would even trade for him at this point that would be a better situation than Indy?
What a ****show, worst destruction of a RB's "brand" since Leveon Bell. Dude has to comeback and ball out now.
The 2 situations are very clearly not the same. Bell's best seasons were around the age JT is now.
ETA - Bell played in 62 games as a Steeler. JT has played in 43 games. 19 additional games of brutal wear and tear.
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He had played 5 seasons by the time he finished up in Pittsburgh in 2018 and was born in Feb 1992. I think that he was 26 at the time (just after his last season in Pit ended) but more importantly, had a lot more wear on him than Taylor has. Then he missed an entire season, coming back, if I am not messing up the math, at age 27 - roughly about the time many RBs begin to reach the cliff. I'm not gonna do a touches analysis, but I would bet my left testy that Bell had at least 300 more touches when he finished in Pittsburgh than what Taylor has now. Thats a very safe number - its probably more like 600.Bell was 25 in his last year in Pittsburgh. He was coming off a far more impressive season than Taylor, where he had 1900 total yards and 11 TDs.Boy, do I disagree with this take. Bell was old and battered at the time of his shenanigans. JT is what, 24? JT has plenty of leverage.Moss going off really destroyed whatever leverage Taylor had left.
I'm still confused though. He's hurt and they tried getting a first rounder for him? Seems to me this is one big dog and pony show. I keep forgetting I have Taylor in a lot of leagues, a lot of my teams would benefit with a RB1 coming out of the ether.
Who would even trade for him at this point that would be a better situation than Indy?
What a ****show, worst destruction of a RB's "brand" since Leveon Bell. Dude has to comeback and ball out now.
The 2 situations are very clearly not the same. Bell's best seasons were around the age JT is now.
ETA - Bell played in 62 games as a Steeler. JT has played in 43 games. 19 additional games of brutal wear and tear.
All I know is that an injured player demanded a pay raise in the middle of his contract. That's weak sauce. I don't remember if Kareem Hunt kicking that chick occurred before or after Leveon Bell holding out... but I am saying I can't think or a worse move for a RB's "brand" since Leveon Bell.
Dude demanded a pay raise. Didn't get one. Then demanded a trade. Didn't get one. Turns out he's actually hurt? So he was demanding a payraise and wanted to be trade while hurt.
Then, his backup who makes $3,000,000 less than him is tearing it up on the field. I can't see how this could have gone worse for whatever Taylor was trying to accomplish. If he just comes back and plays for Indy, I will laugh so hard. All this noise for the same outcome.
I want payraise too Jonathan.
He had played 5 seasons by the time he finished up in Pittsburgh in 2018 and was born in Feb 1992. I think that he was 26 at the time (just after his last season in Pit ended) but more importantly, had a lot more wear on him than Taylor has. Then he missed an entire season, coming back, if I am not messing up the math, at age 27 - roughly about the time many RBs begin to reach the cliff. I'm not gonna do a touches analysis, but I would bet my left testy that Bell had at least 300 more touches when he finished in Pittsburgh than what Taylor has now. Thats a very safe number - its probably more like 600.Bell was 25 in his last year in Pittsburgh. He was coming off a far more impressive season than Taylor, where he had 1900 total yards and 11 TDs.Boy, do I disagree with this take. Bell was old and battered at the time of his shenanigans. JT is what, 24? JT has plenty of leverage.Moss going off really destroyed whatever leverage Taylor had left.
I'm still confused though. He's hurt and they tried getting a first rounder for him? Seems to me this is one big dog and pony show. I keep forgetting I have Taylor in a lot of leagues, a lot of my teams would benefit with a RB1 coming out of the ether.
Who would even trade for him at this point that would be a better situation than Indy?
What a ****show, worst destruction of a RB's "brand" since Leveon Bell. Dude has to comeback and ball out now.
The 2 situations are very clearly not the same. Bell's best seasons were around the age JT is now.
ETA - Bell played in 62 games as a Steeler. JT has played in 43 games. 19 additional games of brutal wear and tear.
Not looking to get in the middle of this, and I would be on the side of Bell was more worn down by the time he pulled his stunt, but I do think Taylor's immense college workload should be part of the equation. He was rode pretty hard, came up one carry short of having 300+ all 3 seasons.
If he was hurt he'd be stupid. He's neither of those things even if he played this wrong.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
I dont know enough to say this with certainty, but I dont think they could have traded him if he were really hurt, and they clearly were entertaining trade offers. I think he would have to pass a physical. Could be mistaken.
Yes he'd have to pass a physical to complete a trade and he was saying a few days after the opener he could......and people still question if he was to hurt to play for the Colts, lol.
