RB Jonathan Taylor, IND (2 Viewers)

[Banger]

it's pretty simple...JT is the better back but he needs to show it on the field. Once he does, things will work themselves out.

 

[Hartliner]

How did the Titans run D fold all of a sudden? They have quite a long track record of dominating the trenches.

Matchups LOL! Totally overrated.

I'm starting to agree, it almost cost me since that is what made me bench Moss in favor of Breida(gross).

 

[habsfan]

This game was the perfect setup for Moss owners to get what they can for him from Taylor owners.

Most Taylor owners will not value Moss for what he’s worth. Look through this thread- almost every Taylor owner is going out of their way to discredit Moss and label him a fluke. I have no horse in this race on either the Moss or Taylor side- but I will say that I see no reason why Moss just somehow disappears (barring injury or trade). Moss could easily get lions share of touches week 6, it could be a split after that, and going past week 7-8, we maybe looking at a 65-35 or 60-40 split in favor of Taylor.

I'm talking redraft here and I think the opportunity to lock up this backfield is pretty valuable. It's a long, weird season but if the Taylor owner feels differently, I'll hold.

 

[menobrown]

Gonna wait another week before playing Taylor. Too many questions marks. I understand people need to start him if they don't have the depth though.

Agree.

I thought he was a terrible option last week and one I was trying not to use but I though he'd graduate to must start status the next week but don't view it that way any longer.

Moss being the main issue. Does not matter what any of our talent evaluations of Moss may be. It just does not go over well in locker rooms where coaches are always preaching about competition to just so easily relegate a guy whose play has been a positive and just kick him aside so quickly in favor of someone who just started practicing with the team less then a week ago, no matter how talented.

I'm taking this week to week but this week looks like a RBBC and my guess is Taylor will be the lesser in terms of volume.

 

[FarFromHome]

I think this is the last week that Taylor is not a set and forget RB. Interestingly enough Yahoo has Moss projected slightly more than Taylor this week. Fantasypros has them about even . For those like myself, who own both, who u starting this week. My take is in a game where I don't see Jags

 

[FarFromHome]

For the record I think Moss is a legit NFL RB and if Taylor was out of the picture would be a top 15 fantasy RB. I just feel Taylor is in a league of his own with his speed, power and ability. I will say my stance from a week ago has changed. I don't see Taylor locked in for 25 carries a week. Moss ain't going anywhere.

 

[DeaLerZ]

For the record I think Moss is a legit NFL RB and if Taylor was out of the picture would be a top 15 fantasy RB. I just feel Taylor is in a league of his own with his speed, power and ability. I will say my stance from a week ago has changed. I don't see Taylor locked in for 25 carries a week. Moss ain't going anywhere.

Yeah agreed. I think it's a 15-10 split once Taylor gets his legs underneath him. Taylor has a lot more upside as a receiver and should get a few targets weekly, and probably more now that Richardson will be sidelined for a while.

I am hesitant to start him next two weeks vs Jags, and Cleveland while he gets the rust off. Once he hits New Orleans and Carolina though I think it's all systems go. Carolina will be his welcome back party lol

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

For the record I think Moss is a legit NFL RB and if Taylor was out of the picture would be a top 15 fantasy RB. I just feel Taylor is in a league of his own with his speed, power and ability. I will say my stance from a week ago has changed. I don't see Taylor locked in for 25 carries a week. Moss ain't going anywhere.

Taylor had an incredible season two years ago. I find this to be an excellent indicator that he is an elite talent. Not to mention the new big contract. I can understand people factoring Moss’ big game last week or Taylor needing to get up to speed but I’m going to start him in the flex nonetheless.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Jonathan Taylor expected to receive increased workload Week 6
Wed, Oct 11th 11:42am EDT
By Leo Sells
Jonathan Taylor is expected to receive an increased workload in Week 6 against the Jacksonville Jaguars. (Source: Stephen Holder on Twitter)

Fantasy Impact: Taylor made his return from injury last week but only saw seven touches on the course of the game. Backup RB Zack Moss got the bulk of the work and outplayed him, but Indianapolis is now planning on ramping up Taylor's workload at practice and presumably in Sunday's game. If that's the case, he's worth starting for fantasy purposes, and this could mean a decrease in fantasy production for Moss moving forward.

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm lucky I have options I guess. Not everyone does. Just did the dreaded Sunday morning swap out. Chris Godwin in flex instead of Taylor. I think this is the last week where starting or benching is a thing for us Taylor owners.

 

[BladeRunner]

I'm lucky I have options I guess. Not everyone does. Just did the dreaded Sunday morning swap out. Chris Godwin in flex instead of Taylor. I think this is the last week where starting or benching is a thing for us Taylor owners.

I'm in the same conundrum as you. I benched Moss for Taylor (like I did last week and regretted it) but I have Gabe Davis in my flex instead of Moss.

The Colts have to seriously be entertaining trading Moss, no?

 

[Insein]

Benched him again this week. Need to see what they do with him once more.

 

[JohnnyU]

Benched him again this week. Need to see what they do with him once more.

I expect Taylor to get a lot more work this week as they ease him in. It will probably make starter either Moss or Taylor risky.

 

[beef]

Could really use a huge game from Taylor this week. Hopefully he can step it up and play at a Zach Moss level.

 

[Faust]

Browns HC Kevin Stefanski 'ready' for full-strength Jonathan Taylor: 'We do anticipate that his workload increases'

 

[kdpatron15]

i assume JT gets over 50% snap usage this game!

 

[FarFromHome]

Locked and loaded

 

[menobrown]

First week he'll be in all my lineups, was hovering just under and just over 50% the previous two weeks. Massive bye weeks is part of it but he'd likely be in all of them if every team was playing.

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Come on JT, go off and reward all these loyal, patient owners!

 

[FarFromHome]

Solid numbers against a great defense with a back up QB. Set and forget rb1. Welcome back.

 

[The Kerminator]

He's baaaack

 

[finfansteve]

He's baaaack

And not a moment too soon for most if not all of us

 

[Insein]

Ok. He's back in the lineup next week. Just have to figure out who to sit between Swift, Mostert and Kamara.

 

[The Kerminator]

Ok. He's back in the lineup next week. Just have to figure out who to sit between Swift, Mostert and Kamara.

Look at me. I have good RBs.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

Ok. He's back in the lineup next week. Just have to figure out who to sit between Swift, Mostert and Kamara.

Look at me. I have good RBs.

I spent a bunch on McCaffrey and Pollard then got JTayor fairly cheap. That plan is working pretty well at the moment. I did think JTaylor would ramp a little faster but he’s an elite talent nonetheless.

 

[Faust]

Jonathan Taylor's best plays from 120-yard game | Week 7

 

[FarFromHome]

Moss was great. Nothing but love for the hard nosed runner. Having said that, the difference in ability is very clear when Taylor has the ball. Really loved how they were looking to get him the ball in the passing game. Locked in as a top 10 rb ros.

 

[cdclopper]

Moss was great. Nothing but love for the hard nosed runner. Having said that, the difference in ability is very clear when Taylor has the ball. Really loved how they were looking to get him the ball in the passing game. Locked in as a top 10 rb ros.

I feel like your minimizing Moss. Not to say he's as good as JT, but I wonder if he doesn't hold some value going forward. Even this year. A Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb situation?

I'm just saying, if I have Moss in dynasty, I'm waiting and seeing.

 

[FarFromHome]

Moss was great. Nothing but love for the hard nosed runner. Having said that, the difference in ability is very clear when Taylor has the ball. Really loved how they were looking to get him the ball in the passing game. Locked in as a top 10 rb ros.

I feel like your minimizing Moss. Not to say he's as good as JT, but I wonder if he doesn't hold some value going forward. Even this year. A Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb situation?

I'm just saying, if I have Moss in dynasty, I'm waiting and seeing.

Not trying to minimize Moss at all. Dudes legit. Arguably one of the best handcuffs in fantasy and one of the better back up rbs in real life. He is just playing behind "that guy" at his postion. In my personal opinion, if u watch tape of the top 20 plays of each ones career the answer is quite clear who is a better talent. By a lot. I roster Moss also and have zero interest in moving him. Football changes quickly and guys get hurt.

 

[Faust]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

 

[Dizzy]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

 

[satch]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

Steichen went on to clarify his remarks, adding, “Yeah, we found ourselves in a bit of a hole there in the second half. JT’s a heck of a weapon, especially in the passing game. I mean, JT can take it to the house from anywhere on the field, but in that particular situation we felt like we needed to get the ball to our playmakers.”

 

[FarFromHome]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

Steichen went on to clarify his remarks, adding, “Yeah, we found ourselves in a bit of a hole there in the second half. JT’s a heck of a weapon, especially in the passing game. I mean, JT can take it to the house from anywhere on the field, but in that particular situation we felt like we needed to get the ball to our playmakers.”

That thinking is how coaches lose jobs. Imo

 

[sho nuff]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

Steichen went on to clarify his remarks, adding, “Yeah, we found ourselves in a bit of a hole there in the second half. JT’s a heck of a weapon, especially in the passing game. I mean, JT can take it to the house from anywhere on the field, but in that particular situation we felt like we needed to get the ball to our playmakers.”

Putting the ball in Minchew’s hands over Taylor over and over. Yeah, a bad idea that predictably didn’t work at all.

 

[kface]

This was the first game in a while where I saw the talent that made everyone excited...

 

[Big Nate]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

There was a post online that showed JT looking a bit slow/shaken up after a late first half carry I believe. Then he didn't get any more work really.

Very bizarre if he wasn't banged up. I understand a lot of backfields are shared committees but to not give your best RB any more touches in a close game?

 

[Insein]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

Steichen went on to clarify his remarks, adding, “Yeah, we found ourselves in a bit of a hole there in the second half. JT’s a heck of a weapon, especially in the passing game. I mean, JT can take it to the house from anywhere on the field, but in that particular situation we felt like we needed to get the ball to our playmakers.”

What?

 

[RaidersAreOne]

Feed him!

 

[satch]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

Steichen went on to clarify his remarks, adding, “Yeah, we found ourselves in a bit of a hole there in the second half. JT’s a heck of a weapon, especially in the passing game. I mean, JT can take it to the house from anywhere on the field, but in that particular situation we felt like we needed to get the ball to our playmakers.”

What?

Sorry, that’s not an actual quote, but rather my interpretation of what had to be Steichen’s mindset. I thought the nonsensical nature of the “quote” made it obviously satire. Ironically, it came across as believable, given the lunacy we’ve come to expect from coaches these days.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

Steichen went on to clarify his remarks, adding, “Yeah, we found ourselves in a bit of a hole there in the second half. JT’s a heck of a weapon, especially in the passing game. I mean, JT can take it to the house from anywhere on the field, but in that particular situation we felt like we needed to get the ball to our playmakers.”

What?

Sorry, that’s not an actual quote, but rather my interpretation of what had to be Steichen’s mindset. I thought the nonsensical nature of the “quote” made it obviously satire. Ironically, it came across as believable, given the lunacy we’ve come to expect from coaches these days.

Or, maybe it was the quotation marks that were used...

 

[satch]

Colts' Shane Steichen: Jonathan Taylor's lack of second-half touches in loss to Saints due to game flow

I don't like it... we were playing from behind so we decided to bench our best weapon... is that what the coach said there?

I actually feared that he (Taylor) was injured because he ran wild in the 1st QTR then vanished.

Steichen went on to clarify his remarks, adding, “Yeah, we found ourselves in a bit of a hole there in the second half. JT’s a heck of a weapon, especially in the passing game. I mean, JT can take it to the house from anywhere on the field, but in that particular situation we felt like we needed to get the ball to our playmakers.”

What?

Sorry, that’s not an actual quote, but rather my interpretation of what had to be Steichen’s mindset. I thought the nonsensical nature of the “quote” made it obviously satire. Ironically, it came across as believable, given the lunacy we’ve come to expect from coaches these days.

Or, maybe it was the quotation marks that were used...

Fair enough, though I would provide a link were it an actual quote.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Taylor has been back for 4 games so far for the Colts this season. Fantasy-wise—Moss has outperformed him in 3 of them. While I believe that this trend probably will start to shift/change—I think Taylor owners probably need to hope for a Moss trade or injury if they want to see him put up monster numbers. It just feels as though Moss is performing well enough to earn a 35-45% of the timeshare.

 

[Dizzy]

Taylor has been back for 4 games so far for the Colts this season. Fantasy-wise—Moss has outperformed him in 3 of them. While I believe that this trend probably will start to shift/change—I think Taylor owners probably need to hope for a Moss trade or injury if they want to see him put up monster numbers. It just feels as though Moss is performing well enough to earn a 35-45% of the timeshare.

Sounds insane to me. Taylor is the feature back and paid as such. Moss is there to back him up. The description above sounds like a reward for doing well... similar to the agreement between my dogs and I.

 

[Insein]

It would make a ton of sense for Indy who is currently 4 games back in the division to trade the backup RB for maybe a 4th or a conditional 3rd to a team with playoff aspirations. But what do I know.

 

[Dizzy]

It would make a ton of sense for Indy who is currently 4 games back in the division to trade the backup RB for maybe a 4th or a conditional 3rd to a team with playoff aspirations. But what do I know.

They should trade Jonathan Taylor to BUF or DAL.

 

[Insein]

It would make a ton of sense for Indy who is currently 4 games back in the division to trade the backup RB for maybe a 4th or a conditional 3rd to a team with playoff aspirations. But what do I know.

They should trade Jonathan Taylor to BUF or DAL.

That would actually get them more value.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Taylor has been back for 4 games so far for the Colts this season. Fantasy-wise—Moss has outperformed him in 3 of them. While I believe that this trend probably will start to shift/change—I think Taylor owners probably need to hope for a Moss trade or injury if they want to see him put up monster numbers. It just feels as though Moss is performing well enough to earn a 35-45% of the timeshare.

Sounds insane to me. Taylor is the feature back and paid as such. Moss is there to back him up. The description above sounds like a reward for doing well... similar to the agreement between my dogs and I.

This is exactly why I said a 35 or 45 percent timeshare. Taylor has been back for a month now. In his most recent game 2 days ago Moss had 1 fewer carry and 1 fewer passing target. Moss just disappearing and giving Taylor an 80-90% load of the carries is not going to randomly happen unless Moss gets traded or hurt. The Colts are not running their “real” team to appease Taylor fantasy owners. They are a team that clearly has two capable running backs—and are not afraid to use both. If anything, one could argue that not overusing Taylor protects their investment more than riding him into the ground. Overuse certainly didn’t help guys like Leveon Bell or Todd Gurley.

 

[Dizzy]

Taylor has been back for 4 games so far for the Colts this season. Fantasy-wise—Moss has outperformed him in 3 of them. While I believe that this trend probably will start to shift/change—I think Taylor owners probably need to hope for a Moss trade or injury if they want to see him put up monster numbers. It just feels as though Moss is performing well enough to earn a 35-45% of the timeshare.

Sounds insane to me. Taylor is the feature back and paid as such. Moss is there to back him up. The description above sounds like a reward for doing well... similar to the agreement between my dogs and I.

This is exactly why I said a 35 or 45 percent timeshare. Taylor has been back for a month now. In his most recent game 2 days ago Moss had 1 fewer carry and 1 fewer passing target. Moss just disappearing and giving Taylor an 80-90% load of the carries is not going to randomly happen unless Moss gets traded or hurt. The Colts are not running their “real” team to appease Taylor fantasy owners. They are a team that clearly has two capable running backs—and are not afraid to use both. If anything, one could argue that not overusing Taylor protects their investment more than riding him into the ground. Overuse certainly didn’t help guys like Leveon Bell or Todd Gurley.

Your comment makes perfect sense, IF they are tanking. In that case I get it... should have let him sit out 2023 then. Why start the clock ticking and pay out $$$ if you plan to mothball the guy on a planned lost season.

What I saw - or what I THINK I saw - was Taylor running wild through most of the 1st half of a winnable game, so they bench him in 2nd half for... tanking... to be fair to Moss for being a good teammate?

 

[FarFromHome]

Outside of maybe, and I mean maybe, the final week of season I never bought into the tanking thing. Most of us have played some type of sports. Can u imagine going into a game wanting to lose? Now imagine your an NFL head coach or an NFL player. Can u imagine either of them going into a game wanting to lose? For draft picks position? I just don't buy it. I get tanking from the GM perspective, for example trading guys for picks, but by game time I'd bet 99.99% of players and coaches want to win.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Taylor has been back for 4 games so far for the Colts this season. Fantasy-wise—Moss has outperformed him in 3 of them. While I believe that this trend probably will start to shift/change—I think Taylor owners probably need to hope for a Moss trade or injury if they want to see him put up monster numbers. It just feels as though Moss is performing well enough to earn a 35-45% of the timeshare.

Sounds insane to me. Taylor is the feature back and paid as such. Moss is there to back him up. The description above sounds like a reward for doing well... similar to the agreement between my dogs and I.

This is exactly why I said a 35 or 45 percent timeshare. Taylor has been back for a month now. In his most recent game 2 days ago Moss had 1 fewer carry and 1 fewer passing target. Moss just disappearing and giving Taylor an 80-90% load of the carries is not going to randomly happen unless Moss gets traded or hurt. The Colts are not running their “real” team to appease Taylor fantasy owners. They are a team that clearly has two capable running backs—and are not afraid to use both. If anything, one could argue that not overusing Taylor protects their investment more than riding him into the ground. Overuse certainly didn’t help guys like Leveon Bell or Todd Gurley.

Your comment makes perfect sense, IF they are tanking. In that case I get it... should have let him sit out 2023 then. Why start the clock ticking and pay out $$$ if you plan to mothball the guy on a planned lost season.

What I saw - or what I THINK I saw - was Taylor running wild through most of the 1st half of a winnable game, so they bench him in 2nd half for... tanking... to be fair to Moss for being a good teammate?

I don’t think the Colts are tanking. I think that with a healthy Richardson, a healthy Taylor, a healthy Pittman—-they have a nice solid foundation for the future. However, Richardson got hurt after they decided to pay Taylor. Moss had already showed that he was an effective runner while Taylor was “hurt” or dealing with his money situation. I think that now that Richardson is hurt—they fully know and understand that they have no chance to be a true contender this season. They could go out and put Taylor out there for 80-90% of the carries—risk overusing him and getting him hurt for next season (when they get Richardson back)—all for a 2023 season where they really don’t have a chance. Recent history has shown that when players take long periods of time off—-they don’t necessarily come back fresher and better. Look at Deshaun Watson. Leveon Bell didn’t come back fresher after effectively shelving himself. I don’t think the Colts are tanking. I think they have a realistic view of what they are even if they gave Taylor a full workload. They would be a non-contending middle of the pack team this year—-which is not far off from what they are now even protecting Taylor through sharing carries with Moss. They are a middle of the pack non-contending team at best. They might as well stay that way and protect their future as much as possible.