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RB Jordan Mason, SF (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sure, but he could be an excellent vulture to limit any other back’s value.
It’s the shanahan way.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
They need the bodies. What happens if Jeff goes down?
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
I don’t think they wanted to be wrong about 2 3rd round picks in as many years!
You know who doesn’t stink? Jordan FreeMason. Unleash the beast!
You know who doesn’t stink? Jordan FreeMason. Unleash the beast!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wilson is still healthy. This seems unrealistic. The beast shall remain contained.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
What part seems unrealistic?
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Didn’t Alfred Morris do ok with it?
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
Yeah and he survived the workload. You’d think they’d try another slower power back who eats up yards and can handle 20 carries.
neal cassady
Footballguy
This thread sucks.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
take a hike. plum-based decisions and talk only.
neal cassady
Footballguy
Good idea!
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
Then don’t click on it.
Chaka
Footballguy
I think if you want to do an honest analysis of the system you probably have to go back to 1995 in Denver when Mike Shanahan and Alex Gibbs really developed and refined this system.
This is the, mostly complete history of Shanahan (s)/Gibbs/Kubiak RBs. Draw from it what you will.
1995-1998 Terrell Davis
1999 Olandis Gary
2000 Mike Anderson
2001 Anderson/Davis/Gary
2002-2003 Clinton Portis
2004 Ruben Droughns
2005 Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell
2006 Tatum Bell/Mike Bell
2007 Travis Henry/Selvin Young
2008 Peyton Hillis/Michael Pittman/Selvin Young
In 2004-2006 Alex Gibbs left Denver for Atlanta, coincidentally, or not, Warrick Dunn put together the best three seasons of his career.
Atlanta 2004-2006 Warrick Dunn
In 2006 Gary Kubiak became the HC of the Houston Texans, certainly bringing elements of the Shanahan/Gibbs system with him.
2006 Ron Dayne/Wali Lundy/Samkon Gado
2007 Dayne/Ahman Green
2008 Steve Slaton
2009 Slaton/Ryan Moats
2010 Arian Foster
2011 Foster/Ben Tate
2012 Foster
2013 Foster/Tate
From 2010-2013 Mike Shanahan was the HC in Washington
2010 Ryan Torain/Portis/Keiland Williams
2011 Torain/Tim Hightower/Roy Helu
2012-2013 Alfred Morris
Back to Kubiak who became the HC in Denver from 2014-2015 with a patchwork running game of Ronnie Hillman/CJ Anderson/Justin Forsett & Devonta Booker. All of whom flashed a little but never seemed to seize the job. Maybe the trend of injury is reflective of what we see in San Francisco ATM began here.
In 2019-2020 Kubiak was the OC in Minnesota where Dalvin had his two best seasons to date but how much credit goes to Kubs and how much to Dalvin? 2021 was an almost identical rushing season for Dalvin but a disappointment as a scorer and receiver compared to 2019, but that's all we have to go on.
Kyle Shanahan was with Kubiak in Houston from 2006-2009, then in Washington with his dad from 2010-2013. His first solo gig was in Cleveland 2014, where Ben Tate (injured), Terrance West & Isaiah Crowell cobbled together a pretty mediocre running game. (Admit it, you thought it was going to be Peyton Hillis).
Kyle Shanahan then ended up in Atlanta in 2015-2016 where Devonta Freeman had the two best seasons of his career, which may not be saying terribly much.
And from 2017-Present Kyle Shanahan has been the HC in San Francisco.
2017 Carlos Hyde
2018 Matt Breida/Jeff Wilson/Alfred Morris
2019 Breida/Tevin Coleman
2020 Raheem Mostert/Jeff Wilson/Jerrick McKinnon
2021 Elijah Mitchell/Jeff Wilson/Trey Sermon
And now Kyle Shanahan has started a coaching tree of his own in Miami with Mike McDaniel.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The part where the beast is unleashed while sitting on the bench watching Jeffery Wilson get 15 carries & 4 receptions.
More realistic: the best gets in breather back duties. Maybe shares them with Mack. Perhaps spends a little time of self-reflection, or takes up knitting.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
Great stuff man! Seems this system burns through runners no matter where it goes.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
Yeah TDP got 13 carries. Mason will run like he always does if he gets the opportunity.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
“If” is doing some heavy lifting here.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
You mind if I share this on another forum?
Hartliner
Footballguy
I usually only burn a back of the bench roster spot based on the amount of activity happening in a Footballguys shark pool forum. This one is a clear winner for this in my eyes! I don't really care if it is polarizing or if Mason doesn't pan out. I dropped Taysom Hill and now on this bandwagon.
BTW This excellent post says to me, 'anyone can truly be in the mix'. Grabbed TDP and put him in the IR and then stashing Mason to see what happens in week 3 just sounds fun!
Chaka
Footballguy
Please, feel free. Not sure it has any real value. I bet we would see similar trends with most coaching trees. Someone want to try Andy Reid?
Chaka
Footballguy
Maybe but a majority of that list looks like the Island of Misfit Toys to me.
Chaka
Footballguy
I will note that when looking at the Mike Shanahan, Alex Gibbs RB tree there are only three instances of RBs who managed to perform at a reasonable high level outside that system.
Portis
Morris
Hyde
And even Portis, who had a great career never managed to top his first two years in that system.
Lots of guys who came out of nowhere to have good years, or good strings of games too.
Portis
Morris
Hyde
And even Portis, who had a great career never managed to top his first two years in that system.
Lots of guys who came out of nowhere to have good years, or good strings of games too.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
Transcript from David Forester the OL and Run game coordinator
https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-161354/
How would you just kind of describe the running back core right now? You lose RB Elijah Mitchell the first week, you lose RB Ty Davis-Price last week, but you have RB Marlon Mack now, you have RB Tevin Coleman back.
"Yeah, I need a program and a depth chart to know who's up for sure. So it's been rough at that position for those guys. Unfortunately, they've suffered some injuries to some guys, they'll all be back, but it's been tough. So those guys all, I said it last week, with Ty last week, they work really, really hard, man. They come out there every week. They work to understand and they know with Kyle's system, the yards are there for guys, if you're willing to learn and to listen and to do what we're supposed to do. All the guys are doing it, but yeah, Tevin's back and he's has familiarity with Kyle, both from Atlanta and here. And then Mack has been here and he's obviously learning right now and going through that process."
What did Jeff Wilson Jr. show you last game?
"Jeff's awesome. Jeff's one of my favorite guys on the football team. In fact, my son came to visit during training camp and immediately his favorite player was Jeff Wilson. You just can't help it, and he's in his twenties, he's not like a 10-year old or something. Jeff's just a wonderful guy. I remember at the end of 2020 and we played Arizona and they had everything to play for and we were really out of it. And Jeff Wilson just took that ball and pounded them. I love the way Jeff does it. Now Jeff's thing has been, out of all of it, has been durability. He runs like a big back. He runs physically. He runs tough. Jeff Wilson comes to work, every day with a smile on his face, a real pro, a joy to be around and it's just so great to have him back there. You just have to always be, with all of them, you just can't wear them out. That's why you have to have a couple guys back there that can tote the rock, even on the good running teams. When you look at Cleveland, who's an excellent running team, they've got the two runners, you've got [RB Nick] Chubb and you've got [RB Kareem] Hunt, and traditionally [NFL Hall of Fame RB] LaDainian Tomlinson, there was another guy with LT. There's traditionally, always a second guy, so it's not going to be Jeff Wilson, just toting the mail every single snap."
Are you nervous because it's Jeff Wilson and a lot comes, some question marks and you just said--?
"I've got a lot more to be worried about than who's carrying the football. There's a lot, you've got to block the two edge rushers and things like that. Obviously, there's a learning curve for guys. I use that word a lot, but there is. Guys who haven't been here have to learn, so you hope that they do well and I'm not nervous, but excited for them. They have an opportunity. I'm excited that they get a chance to show us what they can do, and then hopeful that they do the right things."
Is RB Jordan Mason ready to be that number two guy if called upon?
"Like when I was asked in the offseason about the guards, you don't know until they're playing. So J.P. showed some promise, that's why he made the football team. That's why he is here. Shows good things in practice, saw some nice runs in the preseason, so now we'll have to see when he gets in with live bullets. If it's Sunday Night Football, bright lights, the whole nation watching, the whole league watching, let's see what happens."
Come on #FreeMasonUnleashTheBeast!
https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-161354/
How would you just kind of describe the running back core right now? You lose RB Elijah Mitchell the first week, you lose RB Ty Davis-Price last week, but you have RB Marlon Mack now, you have RB Tevin Coleman back.
"Yeah, I need a program and a depth chart to know who's up for sure. So it's been rough at that position for those guys. Unfortunately, they've suffered some injuries to some guys, they'll all be back, but it's been tough. So those guys all, I said it last week, with Ty last week, they work really, really hard, man. They come out there every week. They work to understand and they know with Kyle's system, the yards are there for guys, if you're willing to learn and to listen and to do what we're supposed to do. All the guys are doing it, but yeah, Tevin's back and he's has familiarity with Kyle, both from Atlanta and here. And then Mack has been here and he's obviously learning right now and going through that process."
What did Jeff Wilson Jr. show you last game?
"Jeff's awesome. Jeff's one of my favorite guys on the football team. In fact, my son came to visit during training camp and immediately his favorite player was Jeff Wilson. You just can't help it, and he's in his twenties, he's not like a 10-year old or something. Jeff's just a wonderful guy. I remember at the end of 2020 and we played Arizona and they had everything to play for and we were really out of it. And Jeff Wilson just took that ball and pounded them. I love the way Jeff does it. Now Jeff's thing has been, out of all of it, has been durability. He runs like a big back. He runs physically. He runs tough. Jeff Wilson comes to work, every day with a smile on his face, a real pro, a joy to be around and it's just so great to have him back there. You just have to always be, with all of them, you just can't wear them out. That's why you have to have a couple guys back there that can tote the rock, even on the good running teams. When you look at Cleveland, who's an excellent running team, they've got the two runners, you've got [RB Nick] Chubb and you've got [RB Kareem] Hunt, and traditionally [NFL Hall of Fame RB] LaDainian Tomlinson, there was another guy with LT. There's traditionally, always a second guy, so it's not going to be Jeff Wilson, just toting the mail every single snap."
Are you nervous because it's Jeff Wilson and a lot comes, some question marks and you just said--?
"I've got a lot more to be worried about than who's carrying the football. There's a lot, you've got to block the two edge rushers and things like that. Obviously, there's a learning curve for guys. I use that word a lot, but there is. Guys who haven't been here have to learn, so you hope that they do well and I'm not nervous, but excited for them. They have an opportunity. I'm excited that they get a chance to show us what they can do, and then hopeful that they do the right things."
Is RB Jordan Mason ready to be that number two guy if called upon?
"Like when I was asked in the offseason about the guards, you don't know until they're playing. So J.P. showed some promise, that's why he made the football team. That's why he is here. Shows good things in practice, saw some nice runs in the preseason, so now we'll have to see when he gets in with live bullets. If it's Sunday Night Football, bright lights, the whole nation watching, the whole league watching, let's see what happens."
Come on #FreeMasonUnleashTheBeast!
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
With bye weeks coming I really only have space for one speculative RB so I'll have to decide between Mason and James Cook. I really hope Mason gets action so we can get a decent look at him in a real game.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
Same. I think we get to see him Sunday night. He indicated that Mack and Coleman are still in the process of learning and evaluating them
LawFitz
Footballguy
There's a possibility you may be incorrectly inferring the names here that he was referring to with those quotes. I was trying to read between his lines the entire way, and found myself wondering if he could be referring to Mason (and TDP) with those quotes. Those rookies haven't been in this system very long either - a lot less than bummy-*** Tevon Coleman, actually.
My guess is one of Mack or Coleman will be active (whoever showed more readiness this week) and will be waiting to vulture Mason's opps at every misstep, if not from go.
Additionally, the last two weeks evidenced Mason's importance on special teams. Depending on how important his role there actually is (I have no direct idea), I could see them only sprinking him in as a distant 3rd in an ugly RBBC, depending on how the game flows and the other two are performing.
The above isn't a prediction, or even my base case - but a potential outlier scenario that I'm trying to weigh in terms of probability. For sure it's non-zero IMO, just a question of how far above zero.
Weebs210
Footballguy
That scenario is possible but I just don't see a special team role keeping Mason from getting touches if he's better then Coleman and Mack..l just don't see how he isn't.
Chaka
Footballguy
Nothing in there inspires confidence in Mason.
He basically said Mason is a player on our team who was good enough not to get cut. Yet.
Weebs210
Footballguy
I don't see anything negative and he said there's a chance he gets touches. Seems pretty positive.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
I don’t rhi
I don’t think it would be smart for them to tell the other team who will be coming in after Wilson.
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, because that's the guy you're worried opposing defenses are game planning against.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Because now the defensive coordinators will be up all night game planning for both Marlon Mack’s AND Jordon Mason’s backup touches!!! Brilliant.
ohio#1eaglesfan
Footballguy
I’m sure they are aware they’ll be seeing another back and are guessing just like us. Also the 49ers are intentionally not saying who the back is. Any competitive advantage no matter how small is being used.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Yahoo projecting about 35 yards for him!
Let’s go!
Let’s go!
Chaka
Footballguy
Per carry?
zamboni
Footballguy
After contact, silly.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Sell high.
Banger
Footballguy
IT’S HAPPENING!!!!
zamboni
Footballguy
A rerun from last week.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I have to admit, I’m starting to lose some faith.
neal cassady
Footballguy
I’m plum out of hope myself
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Chaka
Footballguy
Plus, using Deebo as a RB again. He's a friggin WR. Use him on jet sweeps or runs down by the goal line, but using him up the middle between the 20s is plain stupid.
Wilson played OK aside from the fumble, but he is what he is. Mason should have gotten 6-7 carries at minimum last night.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Besides the fumble Wilson looked very good. Not sure "he is what he is" is the right phrase to describe Wilson last night. Sounds to me more of a Mason owner pissed at the lack of carries.Plus, using Deebo as a RB again. He's a friggin WR. Use him on jet sweeps or runs down by the goal line, but using him up the middle between the 20s is plain stupid.
Wilson played OK aside from the fumble, but he is what he is. Mason should have gotten 6-7 carries at minimum last night.
Nope on bolded. Don't have any shares of himBesides the fumble Wilson looked very good. Not sure "he is what he is" is the right phrase to describe Wilson last night. Sounds me more of a Mason owner pissed at the lack of carries.Plus, using Deebo as a RB again. He's a friggin WR. Use him on jet sweeps or runs down by the goal line, but using him up the middle between the 20s is plain stupid.
Wilson played OK aside from the fumble, but he is what he is. Mason should have gotten 6-7 carries at minimum last night.
As a 49er fan, I wanted to see Mason get the carries that Deebo was getting. He shouldn't be running between the tackles unless it's near the goal-line. Too valuable to have him beat up with those kind of runs.
Wilson looked decent. Had the one nice run early (37 yards) that Mitchell probably would have taken all the way. Rest of runs were pretty pedesrian. He's a solid, back-up type running back.
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