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RB Josh Jacobs, GB (2 Viewers)

Jacobs is still young, even by RB standards. It's possible he lost a major step last year and is already washed. I think it's more probable last year was an accumulation of several anomolies leading to the drop in production, which are not going to be repeated in 2025...

- Prior year heavy touch ratio
- Long preseason holdout
- Offensive/Head coaching meltdown
- Inept, then rookie QBing
- Negative game scripts
- Late season injury
 
Jacobs is still young, even by RB standards. It's possible he lost a major step last year and is already washed. I think it's more probable last year was an accumulation of several anomolies leading to the drop in production, which are not going to be repeated in 2025...

- Prior year heavy touch ratio
- Long preseason holdout
- Offensive/Head coaching meltdown
- Inept, then rookie QBing
- Negative game scripts
- Late season injury
Yep. He is a steal
 
Jacobs is still young, even by RB standards. It's possible he lost a major step last year and is already washed. I think it's more probable last year was an accumulation of several anomolies leading to the drop in production, which are not going to be repeated in 2025...

- Prior year heavy touch ratio
- Long preseason holdout
- Offensive/Head coaching meltdown
- Inept, then rookie QBing
- Negative game scripts
- Late season injury
Yep. He is a steal
Agreed. Most seem much more excited about Barkley in 2024, but given that Barkley may lose TDs to Hurts, Jacobs’ situation is arguably better, and he was the NFL’s leading rusher just two seasons ago.

I wouldn’t fault someone for taking Barkley over Jacobs, but imo it’s a coin flip, making Jacobs an incredible value at ADP.
 
Jacobs is still young, even by RB standards. It's possible he lost a major step last year and is already washed. I think it's more probable last year was an accumulation of several anomolies leading to the drop in production, which are not going to be repeated in 2025...

- Prior year heavy touch ratio
- Long preseason holdout
- Offensive/Head coaching meltdown
- Inept, then rookie QBing
- Negative game scripts
- Late season injury
I'm not trying to make a case either way, just discussing.

At a similar juncture in his career, and by similar I mean workload and age, Zeke looked and IMO was a different version of himself, had lost a step and explosion. Joe Schoen was pointing out in that first episode of Hard Knocks, and supported by a lot of data, 27 is right around the age when RB's generally start losing a step. He's 26 of course, but an older 26 with a February birthday. So yes it's possible he's lost a step.

On your points you brought out.

None carry more weight with me as a legit excuse then the first one, that workload in 2022. I was telling people last August, I think around here as well, that workload worried me more then the holdout. Not only was it just an insanely giant workload but it was about 100 more touches then he'd had in a season.

I actually think the long holdout, point 2, should have helped with this issue of his workload. Not for the first few weeks, in that sense it was a negative, but not participating in so much camp should in theory help him keep his legs fresh after he got going.

The next few points I can't get behind, other then of course the injury but I don't even factor that into the equation because I'm just looking at how he did when he played.

But I just can't hammer McDaniels/coaching staff for Jacobs poor performance last year when it was that same staff that unlocked him the previous season.

The issue I have with putting the blame on the QB and game script is that Zamir White outperformed him in basically every metric in similar circumstances. Now there is a counter argument to that, a valid one, that Zamir had fresh legs late in the season and some of the offensive issues had started to sort themselves out by the time he got the gig.

Again not trying to take a side, and I've actually drafted Jacobs in my last two drafts. I'm projecting less of a workload then most, more in the 60% type of range but maybe a little uptick but I strongly believe he'll share the workload more then he ever has, but point is even that in a really good offense is enough volume to make him not a total bust and if he's remotely like the guy in 2022 he's a a steal.

I do have concerns he's lost a step but I guess other people have a lot more concerns because I'm drafting him while his ADP has been falling like a rock. He's moved all the way into the mid 4th of FFPC leagues, getting in range of a full 2 rounds after Derrick Henry and I got them rated essentially equal.
 
Jacobs is still young, even by RB standards. It's possible he lost a major step last year and is already washed. I think it's more probable last year was an accumulation of several anomolies leading to the drop in production, which are not going to be repeated in 2025...

- Prior year heavy touch ratio
- Long preseason holdout
- Offensive/Head coaching meltdown
- Inept, then rookie QBing
- Negative game scripts
- Late season injury
Yep. He is a steal
Agreed. Most seem much more excited about Barkley in 2024, but given that Barkley may lose TDs to Hurts, Jacobs’ situation is arguably better, and he was the NFL’s leading rusher just two seasons ago.

I wouldn’t fault someone for taking Barkley over Jacobs, but imo it’s a coin flip, making Jacobs an incredible value at ADP.
And where Barkley is going near the 1/2 turn, Jacobs can be had much later.

Jacobs as an RB2 this year has league winner all over it.
 
Absolutely mind boggling to me that Jacobs will be 26 through the upcoming season. Feels like he been around a long time. 26 year old rb who has already led the league in rushing? With an upcoming QB? 4th round investment on fantasypros? All day. Imo
Remember Gruden talking about Jacobs being "a grinder", lol. If that doesn't feel like ancient history I don't know what does.
 
Absolutely mind boggling to me that Jacobs will be 26 through the upcoming season. Feels like he been around a long time. 26 year old rb who has already led the league in rushing? With an upcoming QB? 4th round investment on fantasypros? All day. Imo
I’m a broken record but I will be shocked if Jacobs isn’t a top 10 RB for FF this season.
I'm all in on a bounce back season. Better offense, better QB, more scoring opportunities. The better QB and system is hugely underrated for scoring purposes. GB has 4-5 passing weapons to take the heat off the run game including receivers that can stretch the field.
 
Absolutely mind boggling to me that Jacobs will be 26 through the upcoming season. Feels like he been around a long time. 26 year old rb who has already led the league in rushing? With an upcoming QB? 4th round investment on fantasypros? All day. Imo
I’m a broken record but I will be shocked if Jacobs isn’t a top 10 RB for FF this season.
I'm all in on a bounce back season. Better offense, better QB, more scoring opportunities. The better QB and system is hugely underrated for scoring purposes. GB has 4-5 passing weapons to take the heat off the run game including receivers that can stretch the field.
Agreed on all. Add in that 4th round value and i foresee a lot of Jacobs on my rosters.
 
Only 7 players in NFL history have 100+ receptions without a receiving TD in their career:

104 - RB Frank Pollard - played with PIT from 1980-1988, had 2 fantasy relevant seasons in 1984 & 1985 as RB22 & RB28
121 - RB Earl Campbell - played with HOU/NO from 1978-1985, haven't heard of him, but I think he was an undersized scatback
122 - RB Leonard Russell - played with NE/DEN/STL/SD from 1991-1996, had an RB6 finish in 1993 with 1300 yards/7 TDs
137 - RB Doug Cunningham - played with SF/WAS from 1967-1974, had a RB10 finish in 1969, and was 2nd in RB catches with 51
146 - RB Eric Bieniemy - played with SD/CIN/PHI from 1991-1999, funny that I remember him as a pass-catching back, but he never scored
201 - RB Gerald Riggs - played with ATL/WAS from 1982-1991, had 3 straight monster years (RB5, RB5, RB9) where he totaled 5212 yards

Hey, wait. That's only 6 players. Oh yeah, I forgot one. And he's about to break Riggs' record.
I think that reporter has been lurking in this thread
 
FBG counter argument to Jacobs amounting to much...


I see the lack of guaranteed money differently. Jason Wood thinks the lack of investment is a bad thing. Personally I think it's more likely the Packers get their money's worth this year and he's an easy cut in future years. No need not to run him into the ground. Also Wood talks about LaFluer splitting snaps with Jones last year (49%). Jones was hurt portions of last year and in the playoffs had 63% and 81% snap counts. When it mattered, LaFluer fed the beast.
 
FBG counter argument to Jacobs amounting to much...


I see the lack of guaranteed money differently. Jason Wood thinks the lack of investment is a bad thing. Personally I think it's more likely the Packers get their money's worth this year and he's an easy cut in future years. No need not to run him into the ground. Also Wood talks about LaFluer splitting snaps with Jones last year (49%). Jones was hurt portions of last year and in the playoffs had 63% and 81% snap counts. When it mattered, LaFluer fed the beast.
Kinda how I saw it also. Would I pay rb1 investment for him? Nope. Would I pay rb2 investment? Yep. If he slipped to rb3? Giddy up
 
FBG counter argument to Jacobs amounting to much...


I see the lack of guaranteed money differently. Jason Wood thinks the lack of investment is a bad thing. Personally I think it's more likely the Packers get their money's worth this year and he's an easy cut in future years. No need not to run him into the ground. Also Wood talks about LaFluer splitting snaps with Jones last year (49%). Jones was hurt portions of last year and in the playoffs had 63% and 81% snap counts. When it mattered, LaFluer fed the beast.
Kinda how I saw it also. Would I pay rb1 investment for him? Nope. Would I pay rb2 investment? Yep. If he slipped to rb3? Giddy up
Him and Mixon...RB 15/16 off the board.
 
Many in GB were unhappy with the decision to let Aaron Jones walk. This sentiment was not lost on LaFleur. That decision can only be justified by Jacobs being at least as effective as Jones. The more Jacobs contributes, the better the decision looks to everyone.

LaFleur needs that decision to have been a good one and that can only be proven by a strong running game that features Josh Jacobs. Given the contract, Josh Jacobs needs to have a big year to keep the big money coming in. I suspect Jacobs has a chip on his shoulder and feels he has something to prove.

Josh Jacobs having a big season is great for LaFleur, great for Jacobs, great for GB and their fans and great for fantasy owners. Imo, this is a “stars aligning” scenario.

Dillon will be Dillon, the rookie will have a complimentary role, but Jacobs will be the star of this backfield and could have his best season to date playing in the best offense of his career.
 
i have not been seeing jacobs going in the 4th. 24th, 24th, 22nd, and 28th overall in the 4 cash drafts i have done so far. so end 2nd/top 3rd is where you gotta target him. after etn is gone he's usually the next rb taken as rb9/10 (henry goes right before or after him in same range). i don't see a huge value. i see fair value. there's risk here. i'd be cautious on expecting something like the workload he had when he led the league in rushing. the packers always used two backs with lefluer. i wouldn't expect jacobs to be as efficient as jones was and lloyd will be used. that said he will have good td and rec upside. just be prepared for a smaller workload than you might expect if you view him as a league winner. i think more of a solid rb2
 
Many in GB were unhappy with the decision to let Aaron Jones walk. This sentiment was not lost on LaFleur. That decision can only be justified by Jacobs being at least as effective as Jones. The more Jacobs contributes, the better the decision looks to everyone.

LaFleur needs that decision to have been a good one and that can only be proven by a strong running game that features Josh Jacobs. Given the contract, Josh Jacobs needs to have a big year to keep the big money coming in. I suspect Jacobs has a chip on his shoulder and feels he has something to prove.

Josh Jacobs having a big season is great for LaFleur, great for Jacobs, great for GB and their fans and great for fantasy owners. Imo, this is a “stars aligning” scenario.

Dillon will be Dillon, the rookie will have a complimentary role, but Jacobs will be the star of this backfield and could have his best season to date playing in the best offense of his career.
I agree with most of what you said other then I can't imagine a coach making in the moment decisions to prove a point that the past decision was correct. **** happens and they should have thick skin. For example. If Jacobs is bad he isn't just gonna keep forcing it to prove it was right to let go of Jones. You play to win the game not prove points. Obviously if Jacobs is successful that feels good.. All my opinion of course
 
Many in GB were unhappy with the decision to let Aaron Jones walk. This sentiment was not lost on LaFleur. That decision can only be justified by Jacobs being at least as effective as Jones. The more Jacobs contributes, the better the decision looks to everyone.

LaFleur needs that decision to have been a good one and that can only be proven by a strong running game that features Josh Jacobs. Given the contract, Josh Jacobs needs to have a big year to keep the big money coming in. I suspect Jacobs has a chip on his shoulder and feels he has something to prove.

Josh Jacobs having a big season is great for LaFleur, great for Jacobs, great for GB and their fans and great for fantasy owners. Imo, this is a “stars aligning” scenario.

Dillon will be Dillon, the rookie will have a complimentary role, but Jacobs will be the star of this backfield and could have his best season to date playing in the best offense of his career.
i have not been seeing jacobs going in the 4th. 24th, 24th, 22nd, and 28th overall in the 4 cash drafts i have done so far. so end 2nd/top 3rd is where you gotta target him. after etn is gone he's usually the next rb taken as rb9/10 (henry goes right before or after him in same range). i don't see a huge value. i see fair value. there's risk here. i'd be cautious on expecting something like the workload he had when he led the league in rushing. the packers always used two backs with lefluer. i wouldn't expect jacobs to be as efficient as jones was and lloyd will be used. that said he will have good td and rec upside. just be prepared for a smaller workload than you might expect if you view him as a league winner. i think more of a solid rb2
He's gone after Pacheco, Archane, Cook, Kamara, and White in the leagues (ppr) I've drafted with fellow FBGs.
 
Many in GB were unhappy with the decision to let Aaron Jones walk. This sentiment was not lost on LaFleur. That decision can only be justified by Jacobs being at least as effective as Jones. The more Jacobs contributes, the better the decision looks to everyone.

LaFleur needs that decision to have been a good one and that can only be proven by a strong running game that features Josh Jacobs. Given the contract, Josh Jacobs needs to have a big year to keep the big money coming in. I suspect Jacobs has a chip on his shoulder and feels he has something to prove.

Josh Jacobs having a big season is great for LaFleur, great for Jacobs, great for GB and their fans and great for fantasy owners. Imo, this is a “stars aligning” scenario.

Dillon will be Dillon, the rookie will have a complimentary role, but Jacobs will be the star of this backfield and could have his best season to date playing in the best offense of his career.
maybe. reportedly wasn't LaFleur's decision though
 
Many in GB were unhappy with the decision to let Aaron Jones walk. This sentiment was not lost on LaFleur. That decision can only be justified by Jacobs being at least as effective as Jones. The more Jacobs contributes, the better the decision looks to everyone.

LaFleur needs that decision to have been a good one and that can only be proven by a strong running game that features Josh Jacobs. Given the contract, Josh Jacobs needs to have a big year to keep the big money coming in. I suspect Jacobs has a chip on his shoulder and feels he has something to prove.

Josh Jacobs having a big season is great for LaFleur, great for Jacobs, great for GB and their fans and great for fantasy owners. Imo, this is a “stars aligning” scenario.

Dillon will be Dillon, the rookie will have a complimentary role, but Jacobs will be the star of this backfield and could have his best season to date playing in the best offense of his career.
maybe. reportedly wasn't LaFleur's decision though
I hadn’t heard that, but you are correct. Point remains though as far as GB management letting Jones walk. They need Jacobs to not make them look stupid for doing so.
 
Many in GB were unhappy with the decision to let Aaron Jones walk. This sentiment was not lost on LaFleur. That decision can only be justified by Jacobs being at least as effective as Jones. The more Jacobs contributes, the better the decision looks to everyone.

LaFleur needs that decision to have been a good one and that can only be proven by a strong running game that features Josh Jacobs. Given the contract, Josh Jacobs needs to have a big year to keep the big money coming in. I suspect Jacobs has a chip on his shoulder and feels he has something to prove.

Josh Jacobs having a big season is great for LaFleur, great for Jacobs, great for GB and their fans and great for fantasy owners. Imo, this is a “stars aligning” scenario.

Dillon will be Dillon, the rookie will have a complimentary role, but Jacobs will be the star of this backfield and could have his best season to date playing in the best offense of his career.
I agree with most of what you said other then I can't imagine a coach making in the moment decisions to prove a point that the past decision was correct. **** happens and they should have thick skin. For example. If Jacobs is bad he isn't just gonna keep forcing it to prove it was right to let go of Jones. You play to win the game not prove points. Obviously if Jacobs is successful that feels good.. All my opinion of course
Right, I’m not suggesting the GB coaching staff will be thinking like that during games. I’m suggesting their offensive philosophy going into the season will be to feature Jacobs as the lead RB. I think he’ll have a long leash, but if he’s terrible eventually they’ll pivot. I just don’t see him being terrible. I think he’ll look great in GB.
 
Been sneaking into round 4 of late, at that price point he's a must have for me. Kinda stunned guys like Pittman and Moore are going ahead of him. Even Metcalf is questionable in my eyes.
 
Been sneaking into round 4 of late, at that price point he's a must have for me. Kinda stunned guys like Pittman and Moore are going ahead of him. Even Metcalf is questionable in my eyes.
I don’t get it either. I think a lot of people are going to look back and wonder why they weren’t higher on Jacobs. One of the safest RBs to draft in my opinion. Great offense, high floor, and tremendous upside.
 
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never ceases to amaze me how ppl will play mindtricks on themselves to avoid players that'll help them win their league.
 
never ceases to amaze me how ppl will play mindtricks on themselves to avoid players that'll help them win their league.
I will admit my distaste for anything Packer is pretty strong. If I can find a player of similar tier of expected performance that isnt a Packer that can be a tie breaker for me. So I am unlikely to draft any Packer at ADP.

If you do see me take a Packer know I did that holding my nose. The value was too good to pass up. I couldnt find anyone as good or better.

I have looked back at decades of drafts where this bias has often hurt me. Its something I just have to live with.

As far as Jacobs never was a fan of his as a prospect. I didnt think he should have been a 1st round pick and I thought David Montgomery might be better than Jacobs at the time. I seem to be wrong about that now but I still dont think they are that far off from each other.

Im still gathering information, thus why I asked about the offensive line.

As BassNBrew points out Jacobs and Mixon are both being drafted at a similar spot and I am not sure which of those 2 I prefer if I were just picking between those 2 players.
 
Some of you here are Packers fans. Talk to me about the Packers offensive line. How good are they?
According to ourlads.com Jordan Morgan is already penciled in at OG, I would've guessed that he would've gotten at least a look at OT. OT Travis Glover & C/OG Jacob Monk appear to be solid depth adds... In my leagues Jacobs was a mid-4th round value in one & this past week, he went late 3rd. These are .5ppr, production from the return game is scored, everything else standard. I have a few strategies I lean on, I like getting 1s. In those same rounds, rather than opt for the remaining options in the depleted WR & RB pools, I tend to target QB & TE.

However, I do have shares of Marshawn Lloyd in my 1st two drafts. Biggest knock on him is ball security, which if addressed, look out! Possesses the soft hands, burst & shiftiness custom-made for the screen game. While Jacobs isn't in the cards for me, I do like him. But I like him much better if the strategy is to take his handcuff as well.
 
Some of you here are Packers fans. Talk to me about the Packers offensive line. How good are they?
According to ourlads.com Jordan Morgan is already penciled in at OG, I would've guessed that he would've gotten at least a look at OT. OT Travis Glover & C/OG Jacob Monk appear to be solid depth adds... In my leagues Jacobs was a mid-4th round value in one & this past week, he went late 3rd. These are .5ppr, production from the return game is scored, everything else standard. I have a few strategies I lean on, I like getting 1s. In those same rounds, rather than opt for the remaining options in the depleted WR & RB pools, I tend to target QB & TE.

However, I do have shares of Marshawn Lloyd in my 1st two drafts. Biggest knock on him is ball security, which if addressed, look out! Possesses the soft hands, burst & shiftiness custom-made for the screen game. While Jacobs isn't in the cards for me, I do like him. But I like him much better if the strategy is to take his handcuff as well.
Haven’t seen much talk about Marshawn Lloyd related to Jacobs production. I think you nailed it with this take. Lloyd will make it easy to split carries which is what the coaches like to do in GB. At current prices, Lloyd is the better bet.

This is coming from a Jacobs fan. He’s been a bell cow back who can carry a team even with a suspect OL. Was excited about his upgrade to a high powered offense till the Lloyd selection. Afraid the mileage and competition will quickly split the backfield carries.
 
"... Lloyd will make it easy to split carries which is what the coaches like to do in GB. At current prices, Lloyd is the better bet. This is coming from a Jacobs fan. He’s been a bell cow back who can carry a team even with a suspect OL. Was excited about his upgrade to a high powered offense till the Lloyd selection. Afraid the mileage and competition will quickly split the backfield carries."
Lloyd has some work to do (ball security & PP), I think it will be some time before he poses any type of threat. There are certainly exceptions, but rather than defined roles often we'll see the lead 'back take one or two series of downs, then the backup takes one. Jacobs might not concede volume until late, Lloyd's progression could be more along the lines of a James Cook or Jahmyr Gibbs. Momentum I think is what Jacobs owners want to keep close track of.
 
"... Lloyd will make it easy to split carries which is what the coaches like to do in GB. At current prices, Lloyd is the better bet. This is coming from a Jacobs fan. He’s been a bell cow back who can carry a team even with a suspect OL. Was excited about his upgrade to a high powered offense till the Lloyd selection. Afraid the mileage and competition will quickly split the backfield carries."
Lloyd has some work to do (ball security & PP), I think it will be some time before he poses any type of threat. There are certainly exceptions, but rather than defined roles often we'll see the lead 'back take one or two series of downs, then the backup takes one. Jacobs might not concede volume until late, Lloyd's progression could be more along the lines of a James Cook or Jahmyr Gibbs. Momentum I think is what Jacobs owners want to keep close track of.
In this case, Brooks (Car) may be a better handcuff than Lloyd.
 
Jeff Mueller, PT, DPT
Yellow flag up for Josh Jacobs for 2024.

Anticipated/projected to handle large workload but has now dealt with hamstring & groin strains in camp.

Enough for me to consider these players instead at cost:

Mark Andrews
Trey McBride
Chris Godwin
Kyle Pitts
Joe Mixon
Rachaad White
 
Good info that make me tap the brakes a little. He has always gotten volume. Will he this year? Hmmmmm

Info from Chris O'Brien on Twitter..

Matt LaFleur’s RB1 opportunity share by year:

2023: 57.3%
2022: 54.2%
2021: 52.7%
2020: 60.6%
2019: 62.2%

Josh Jacobs opportunity share by year:
2023: 84.9% (1st)
2022: 83.7% (1st)
2021: 68.5%
2020: 68.8%
2019: 64.6%
 
Zach Kruse tweeted:

Packers RB Josh Jacobs wasn't worried about his new "injury" at all. He said it wasn't even an injury, more of a "tweak." Said he would have played if Thursday was a game
 
The Coachspeak Index
#Packers HC Matt LaFleur on Josh Jacobs:

“I just get so excited that he can do it all. He can be a weapon in the passing game — not only as a pass-blocker, but also out of the backfield catching the ball, he’s got great hands... He’s just a tough, rugged runner and I don’t think we’ll truly get to appreciate his value until we get into live tackling situations, because I think that’s really what he’s known for is, he’s just a punishing runner.”
 

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