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RB Kareem Hunt, KC (1 Viewer)
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
You must mean Hunt, not Chubb
Not surprising as the Browns always make the wrong move pretty much.
I am going to assume they think they can make the playoffs and make some noise this season.
I am assuming the thinking from them is be .500 until Watson comes back, then they can make a push for playoffs and be a good team by then
That is the only thing I can see happening there from the owner/GM
habsfan
Footballguy
The only logical reason is that teams were offering virtually nothing for him and/or there was little real interest. Having rostered him for three seasons, he looks like a player in decline to me and while I think he would have been a steady, trustworthy addition to a team with play-off aspirations, I don't think he's a starter stuck behind an ever better starter anymore.
efactor
Footballguy
Agree, he still has value. Was hoping to see him move to the Rams, Cards, Dolphins where he would have more of a lead role. Or Buffalo. That would have been awesomeI was hoping he'd get moved as well, but having him as a handcuff for Chubb for the rest of the season isn't all that bad either. He still has some flex appeal as well. It's better than him being traded to a place that hurts the value of some of my other RBs I have rostered. Could have been much worse.Well, that sucks
It's not the only logical reason. They underwent 8 games of Jacoby and have managed to remain one game out of the playoffs, 2 games from their division and have Watson available to start in 6 of their remaining 9 games. And yes a rusty Watson but none of us know how that will impact him or how he'll perform.
The fact they won last night might might have severely worked against them trading Hunt. Just a combo of factors ranging from them wanting to compete this year and compensation versus comp pick.
I don't think it's as simple as "we are 3-5 so lets get what we can".
I wanted Hunt traded and I thought they would and really thought they'd trade D'Ernest if not him but I don't think there is anything stupid or not logical about them holding onto him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Assuming you mean Hunt, well, Hunt is a good player who is fairly cheap. The Browns are a game and a half out of playoff contention with a pro bowl QB 3 games away.
Also, teams probably weren't offering more than a 5th.
Also, isn't it possible the Browns get a Comp pick for Hunt when he signed elsewhere??
Seems like most of the logic leans towards keeping the guy.
habsfan
Footballguy
I don't think it's as simple as "get what you can" either but he was made available and presumably was actually available at a price they could live with. I think he's probably still a Brown because they didn't get that price. Did the price go up a little with the win? Maybe. Were they maybe never considering "fair" offers? Also possible.
habsfan
Footballguy
The Rams were the "home run" scenario for sure but if last night represents the Browns turning a corner, that's probably good for Hunt too. I think Chubb is on a 300+ carry pace right now and they may want to dial that back a little going forward. Not saying Hunt automatically benefits but he could. Right now in my league settings he's a hair below a solid FLEX play. It would be nice if he could get even a little more opportunity to get up into that FLEX spot.Agree, he still has value. Was hoping to see him move to the Rams, Cards, Dolphins where he would have more of a lead role. Or Buffalo. That would have been awesomeI was hoping he'd get moved as well, but having him as a handcuff for Chubb for the rest of the season isn't all that bad either. He still has some flex appeal as well. It's better than him being traded to a place that hurts the value of some of my other RBs I have rostered. Could have been much worse.Well, that sucks
Hunt's usage this season has fallen off compared to past seasons in Cleveland.
As of now he is not worth playing, even as a flex. Rostering, I guess you kind of need to keep him.
He is in limbo as far as being useful in fantasy, in real football he does not get enough touches to be useful anymore
As of now he is not worth playing, even as a flex. Rostering, I guess you kind of need to keep him.
He is in limbo as far as being useful in fantasy, in real football he does not get enough touches to be useful anymore
MAC_32
Footballguy
That's not true. The only time he's seen significantly more touches per game has been when Chubb's been out.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Based on the prices paid to acquire rb's I think that was ultimately the hurdle that couldn't be cleared. CMC was the only one to command > a 5th.
Little bit of an over-reaction here.
He's RB33 in PPG and that includes a few RB's who have only played 2-4 games. He's within one single fantasy point in PPR PPG of RB's such as Singletary, Najee, Elliot and Montgomery.
He's been disappointing for sure. He's been a mid level RB2 since he joined the Browns, even just isolating the games that Chubb played. By pretty much any definition he's performing like a low end RB3 this season, with of course upside for more. Again disappointing but it's not all doom and gloom and it's not hard to see him getting back to previous season levels especially when Watson returns.
Read this last night, wrote by Jordan Schultz, Hunt was listed as one of the trade deadline losers with these comments:
www.thescore.com
Kareem Hunt: I never got the sense the Browns would move the running back, who reportedly asked to be traded as far back as August. He's a terrific player, but he's also a free agent after the season. From what I've been told, Hunt wants top-tier running back money, so whoever was looking to trade for him didn't want to risk getting a half-season rental. Browns GM Andrew Berry wanted a fourth-round pick in return, which would be a major haul for a short-term fix.
"We liked him," one scout told me. "But everyone likes him. He's that type of player. I don't think we ever got close either."
The aforementioned offensive coach said: "I think Cleveland is just trying to hang on before (Deshaun) Watson comes back. They had the big win Monday night over the Bengals, and Hunt is easily one of the better backs in the AFC. Why would they trade him?"
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Kareem Hunt: I never got the sense the Browns would move the running back, who reportedly asked to be traded as far back as August. He's a terrific player, but he's also a free agent after the season. From what I've been told, Hunt wants top-tier running back money, so whoever was looking to trade for him didn't want to risk getting a half-season rental. Browns GM Andrew Berry wanted a fourth-round pick in return, which would be a major haul for a short-term fix.
"We liked him," one scout told me. "But everyone likes him. He's that type of player. I don't think we ever got close either."
The aforementioned offensive coach said: "I think Cleveland is just trying to hang on before (Deshaun) Watson comes back. They had the big win Monday night over the Bengals, and Hunt is easily one of the better backs in the AFC. Why would they trade him?"
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Kareem Hunt's best run Monday Night
Jake Burns
@jake_burns18
3rd&2--4Q Up&Down 2022 for 27 but this run is a nice glimpse into what he does best when he's rolling. CIN has the perfect call into gun WZ with the nickel heat, but Hunt feels it and makes a vertical hurdle + jump cut to elude, maintains balance, and falls forward to 10 yards.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Have held him all year wasting away on my bench (except for week 2, when he did jack squat....after he blew up in week 1 and I thought I was a genius for drafting him). IMHO he would get an uptick if Chubb were to go down, but would definitely split with D'Ernest Johnson, who is not only pretty good, but fresh as a daisy. Somebody dropped Mattison, and I am gonna try to drop Hunt for him. Better insurance, I believe. Not to mention, Browns still face Ravens and Redskins, who are excelllent against the run.
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I'm viewing it as a very minor uptick with Watson but far from enough to be that mid RB2 he has been the past few years with Chubb.
Somewhat surprisingly his snap count is pretty much in line with the previous seasons when Chubb was healthy and he was a mid level RB2. He's had only one game this year he did not crack at least a 40% snap share and that game he still got 36%. He's out there more then we probably think but he's doing a ton of pass blocking.
I suppose a chance once they are officially eliminated they might see value in riding Hunt a little more knowing he's going to walk and preserving the wear and tear on Chubb. Maybe Watson's increased mobility will lead coaches to free him up more and run more routes then pass protect. This seems more like wishful thinking.
Coming into the season I put a fairly high value on him for 3 reasons:
1. What I viewed as strong possibility of a trade. Fail.
2. That even without a trade he's hovered in that RB15 range just isolating his games with Chubb and that alone made him a value. Fail.
3. High end handcuff to a RB who's missed multiple games the last few years. TBD but running out of time and but I continue to view him as at least one of the highest handcuffs in the league.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
I used to believe that too, and it's too early to place it in the "fail" category, but I've come to believe that, in the event of a Chubb injury, that Hunt would keep a similar role (small uptick likely), with D"Ernest Johnson getting a ton of burn.
I see zero reason to believe what you are saying. Just none. I can't even see what you would base that rationale on. They've never done this when Chubb was out and Hunt was healthy and D'Ernest does not even play now. None of that makes any sense to me at all.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hunt isn't on the field nearly enough. Will that change with Watson? Who knows
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Probably not
I know it does not seem like it but he's out there a lot, just not touching the ball. His actual playing is similar to last year, over 40% every game but one, only 5.8 snaps a game less then Chubb.
He's got two major reasons his fantasy production has dropped from previous seasons with the Browns.
I can't recall the week but there was a game they gave him a heavy amount of goal line touches and he could not convert. Chubb rolled in, scored easily, and from that point on my recollection is we've seen a noticeable drop in Hunt's goal line work.
The other factor is he just does a heavy amount of pass protection when he's in the game. I don't know if that will change with Watson, not a huge reason to think it would.
dmac37
Footballguy
I'm a huge Hunt fan. I thought the video was overblown and bad timing, feel free to trash me as a bad human being. Trying to figure out if he has lost it this past season or if he is a great buy low with low usage for his career. Will these free agent RB's be signed early or will they be on the back burner while other positions are signed during the first few days?
I have mixed emotions on Hunt not sure if he's lost a little or the situation in Cleveland where he was being involved a lot more earlier last season
before Watson's return than Cooper & Njoku were later in the year, watch the game films he played a significant role just didn't get the ball much.
Believe a fresh start might be good if he can earn a substantial playing time role again as a rb body needs that constant workload and think some
of the nagging injuries he's had the past few years are the reasons why...
before Watson's return than Cooper & Njoku were later in the year, watch the game films he played a significant role just didn't get the ball much.
Believe a fresh start might be good if he can earn a substantial playing time role again as a rb body needs that constant workload and think some
of the nagging injuries he's had the past few years are the reasons why...
daveR
Footballguy
Having watched him here in CLE over the past few seasons, it's my opinion that all he has lacked is opportunity. My expectations will be tempered by that. If he is signed to be a team's primary RB, he should be a great fantasy option. If he's signed to a committee, he'll produce so-so numbers. (FWIW, his durability is average, meaning I'd expect him to miss a couple games a year.)
Agree and don't think we are in the minority.
I think most think he's lost a step. I'm not as sure but I might be guilty of holding him so long in a few places waiting for a job that is more along the lines of a #1RB that I've lost my objectivity on him now that he's finally on the brink of having that chance. So take it for what it's worth coming from me but I remain optimistic.
I read a Giants beat writer the other day talking about Barkley and he referenced that some felt there was a decline in his play when his extension talks broke down in-season. I don't know about that, but I do take some of that and related it to Hunt who as we recall tried to do a sit in during camp and then pretty much had his bluff called and knew all year long he was trade bait and then a FA when the year was over. I do think that might have had something to do with his performance. A performance on a per carry basis that was similar to his first year with the Browns so just not sure I'm ready to jump to conclusion he's lost step.
Now on the negative side his age 27 season, which is the year I generally feel we see RB's with high usage start petering out(if not before), was last year and that's a dubious sign. But his usage has not been quite up to the level of some other RB's who looked slower at that point.
I know he's got a really good three down skill set and looking forward to seeing where he lands....and I have noticed a lot of Denver smoke.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Why Denver? Williams may be slow to get going in2023, and may not be all the way back until next year, but make no mistake about it, this is Williams’ backfield. Why would he do that again?
rockaction
Footballguy
ACL, PCL, LCL, up to the hamstring. Until Williams hits the field and runs how he did before, this is anybody's backfield.
eta* Williams is another RB that can't afford to lose a step or that leg drive that made him so hard to bring down.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dude picked a horrible year to 1. Have a mediocre showing, and 2. Be a FA.
He looked pretty bad last year when he had opportunity. Definitely not as explosive as in the past.
He looked pretty bad last year when he had opportunity. Definitely not as explosive as in the past.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Definitely had a down year but he's still an excellent blocker, receiver, a physical runner with a real nose for the goal line, and he willingly played second banana to Nick Chubb, so he is willing to split a backfield and fill whatever role the OC wants.
well the guy will turn 28 when the season starts, he does have considerably less carries than other RBs his age, could see him in a split of some sort but don't see him taking on a lead role. Williams return is uncertain at this point and who knows when he'll be fully up to speed. So maybe he's the lead back for 1/2 the season and then backup for the second half (purely hypothetical) and he gets to play for a contending team (hopefully).
Pretty much all that and I'd just add his pay is probably a priority and Payton has made great use of a RBBC.
I just mentioned it because I keep hearing about Denver's interest in Hunt from a few national and beat writers. It's ok to me, not what I'm personally rooting to see happen or anything like that.
Yeah, I think after his 2022 performance, he's looking at pretty similar roles going forward. I don't see any team bringing him in to be more than a RBBC guy.
Denver could be a solid fit, though I would think Payton would want someone with more speed, as he's always had that guy, from Bush to Sproles to Kamara. I think Denver might be more inclined to wait for someone like Devon Achane, Tyjae Spears, or even Duece Vaughn come draft day.
If Denver signs Hunt, I'm taking that as a sign Javonte Williams is getting the JK Dobbins treatment.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Collusion, 100%
Deamon
Footballguy
I think Javonte is a full year away still from being the workhorse.
Other than guys who re-signed with their prior teams, or guys who signed super cheap deals (Edmonds, Homer) who is Hunt better than that has signed so far? I certainly would rather have Sanders, Montgomery, Jamaal, Foreman, and even Penny and Perine over him.
Hunt's last good season was 2020, and his last great one was 2018. He's been injured and ineffective most of the last 2 years, and while I don't think he's washed, he's ideally a #2 RB, and I think (and I'll 100% admit to having no inside knowledge here) that he doesn't view himself that way.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
What?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sarcasm, 145%
