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RB Kenneth Walker III - SEA (6 Viewers)

I've got him in two season long spots. Probably going to be a case where I'm forced to roll him out in one and choose better options in the other.

Definitely a big part of the plan and they tried to go to him on two of the last plays. Just not a lot of room to run.
 
This team better figure out the rb rhythm it wants because I’d prefer one or the other gets 65-70%. Drafted both of these guys so ok with starting both but flex options are unsettling
I am pretty sure that Walker will start once he is well enough to do so.

Charbs needs to be putting up 100+ if he wants a real chance to unseat him as starter.

but the reality is there are a lot of things that Walker does that Charbs does not. what Charbs does do, he does well, but hes more an ideal 1A or top flight backup.

Walker has the full skillset. but he was also Carrolls guy. so I could see Seattle parting with him. and honestly that would be the best thing for him. Seahawks O line is not that good. and thats really the reason nobody has been super productive there the last year or two. I guarantee if walker doesnt get resigned, someone out there will be happy to sign him. Likely as a starter. Not sure the same would happen for Charbs.
 
This team better figure out the rb rhythm it wants because I’d prefer one or the other gets 65-70%. Drafted both of these guys so ok with starting both but flex options are unsettling
I am pretty sure that Walker will start once he is well enough to do so.

Charbs needs to be putting up 100+ if he wants a real chance to unseat him as starter.

but the reality is there are a lot of things that Walker does that Charbs does not. what Charbs does do, he does well, but hes more an ideal 1A or top flight backup.

Walker has the full skillset. but he was also Carrolls guy. so I could see Seattle parting with him. and honestly that would be the best thing for him. Seahawks O line is not that good. and thats really the reason nobody has been super productive there the last year or two. I guarantee if walker doesnt get resigned, someone out there will be happy to sign him. Likely as a starter. Not sure the same would happen for Charbs.

I've been a K9 fan on these boards for years now, but he's soft (by NFL RB standards), while Charbs is hard. It's as simple as that and yesterday may or may not be the first indication that the Seattle coaches now recognize the same.
 
This backfield feels like a 'style makes fights' type situation.

Some weeks it'll be KWIII that they'll lean on, others it will be Charbs. Perhaps figuring out which defenses offer which styles and mapping back to the backfield will help. But this is probably a worst case scenario for both FF wise.
I'm not sure. It seems like they had Walker start the game and then Charbs came in and performed better and they stuck with him. My gut feeling is that Walker is on thin ice with the staff for any mistakes and I'm sure it could get into his head. RB's do need some rhythm after all but perhaps the coaching staff doesn't think it's worth it.

Perhaps they trade Walker as it's his last year on his deal.
Walker was in the game on the last possession when the game was on the line.
 
well, at 12 carries for 47 yards its not like Charbs is lighting the world on fire. He needs to do better than that if hes gonna unseat Walker for the starting job

4 ypa behind that line is very credible. It’s amazing that they simply literally stopped giving him the ball and instead fed Walker in the later stages of the game when Walker was doing nothing with the touches.

Was Charbonnet hurt somewhere in the 3rd quarter? If not, the coaches ought to be answering to that course of action in a close game like that.
 
This team better figure out the rb rhythm it wants because I’d prefer one or the other gets 65-70%. Drafted both of these guys so ok with starting both but flex options are unsettling
I am pretty sure that Walker will start once he is well enough to do so.

Charbs needs to be putting up 100+ if he wants a real chance to unseat him as starter.

but the reality is there are a lot of things that Walker does that Charbs does not. what Charbs does do, he does well, but hes more an ideal 1A or top flight backup.

Walker has the full skillset. but he was also Carrolls guy. so I could see Seattle parting with him. and honestly that would be the best thing for him. Seahawks O line is not that good. and thats really the reason nobody has been super productive there the last year or two. I guarantee if walker doesnt get resigned, someone out there will be happy to sign him. Likely as a starter. Not sure the same would happen for Charbs.

I don't recall Walker not being well. As far as I can tell, he came into this game healthy.

It's pretty clear this is an even split right now more or less.

And there's no reason to rank these two RBs EXACTLY THE SAME for week 2.
 
well, at 12 carries for 47 yards its not like Charbs is lighting the world on fire. He needs to do better than that if hes gonna unseat Walker for the starting job

4 ypa behind that line is very credible. It’s amazing that they simply literally stopped giving him the ball and instead fed Walker in the later stages of the game when Walker was doing nothing with the touches.

Was Charbonnet hurt somewhere in the 3rd quarter? If not, the coaches ought to be answering to that course of action in a close game like that.
Because, despite what your opinion is, the staff still views Walker as the better RB. You have any other answers?
 
well, at 12 carries for 47 yards its not like Charbs is lighting the world on fire. He needs to do better than that if hes gonna unseat Walker for the starting job

4 ypa behind that line is very credible. It’s amazing that they simply literally stopped giving him the ball and instead fed Walker in the later stages of the game when Walker was doing nothing with the touches.

Was Charbonnet hurt somewhere in the 3rd quarter? If not, the coaches ought to be answering to that course of action in a close game like that.
Because, despite what your opinion is, the staff still views Walker as the better RB. You have any other answers?

Yeah. Why when it’s patently obvious that he’s less productive. It’s not like yesterday was a one-off. It may be my opinion, but it is supported by fact.
 
well, at 12 carries for 47 yards its not like Charbs is lighting the world on fire. He needs to do better than that if hes gonna unseat Walker for the starting job

4 ypa behind that line is very credible. It’s amazing that they simply literally stopped giving him the ball and instead fed Walker in the later stages of the game when Walker was doing nothing with the touches.

Was Charbonnet hurt somewhere in the 3rd quarter? If not, the coaches ought to be answering to that course of action in a close game like that.
Because, despite what your opinion is, the staff still views Walker as the better RB. You have any other answers?
Based on what? Didn't look that way yesterday.
 
Charbs was definitely more productive yesterday, but it seems like every time Walker got the ball there was two guys in the backfield to tackle him. Charbs had a little more room, not a lot, but some.
 
This will be a 50/50ish split IMO. Both these guys are low end flex plays that will be TD dependent to return RB2 value until one of them gets hurt.

Walker got unlucky on his drives as they went 3 and out. Charbs had better production because he was involved in sustained drives. The reverse could be true next week.
 
Charbs had better production because he was involved in a key contributor to sustained drives

FTFY

Look, I don't mean to pile on too much here on K9 owners, but there's a whole lot of excuse making going on in here. K9 sucked yesterday. Flat out. And Charbs wasn't a gamebreaker, but he was WAY more effective and they rode the hot hand. Does that mean he's now the featured guy? No, I don't think so. But this trend of K9 sucking and Charbonnet producing better turn the other way starting this weekend, or you know what.
 
Charbs had better production because he was involved in a key contributor to sustained drives

FTFY

Look, I don't mean to pile on too much here on K9 owners, but there's a whole lot of excuse making going on in here. K9 sucked yesterday. Flat out. And Charbs wasn't a gamebreaker, but he was WAY more effective and they rode the hot hand. Does that mean he's now the featured guy? No, I don't think so. But this trend of K9 sucking and Charbonnet producing better turn the other way starting this weekend, or you know what.
The situation is as clear as day to me.

Seems like the Walker owners see and hear what they want to see and hear.

Maybe things change for the better, but if week 1 is any indication, I'd say the probability of that taking place is somewhat low.
 
well, at 12 carries for 47 yards its not like Charbs is lighting the world on fire. He needs to do better than that if hes gonna unseat Walker for the starting job

4 ypa behind that line is very credible. It’s amazing that they simply literally stopped giving him the ball and instead fed Walker in the later stages of the game when Walker was doing nothing with the touches.

Was Charbonnet hurt somewhere in the 3rd quarter? If not, the coaches ought to be answering to that course of action in a close game like that.
you are not wrong about the Line in Seattle. Its pretty bad. PFF predicts they will be a bottom 5 unit.

so maybe you are onto something there.

either way I avoided the backfield in Seattle because of that crappy O line. but I still do think Walker is the better back.

but that matters very little if the line is so bad that avg yards before contact is low (or negative) . neither back will be productive in that scenario.
 
but that matters very little if the line is so bad that avg yards before contact is low (or negative) . neither back will be productive in that scenario.

You keep repeating this, but Charbs was quite effective in this scenario yesterday. Limited sample, so let's see what happens, but there's a possibility that Charbs has relative strengths that make him better suited for this situation.
 
but that matters very little if the line is so bad that avg yards before contact is low (or negative) . neither back will be productive in that scenario.

You keep repeating this, but Charbs was quite effective in this scenario yesterday. Limited sample, so let's see what happens, but there's a possibility that Charbs has relative strengths that make him better suited for this situation.
If you look at the drives, Darnold was not completing passes when Walker was on the field. I say this as someone with 2 Charbs shares and no KW3 shares. We need more data here but I am confident this is going to be a split.
 
but that matters very little if the line is so bad that avg yards before contact is low (or negative) . neither back will be productive in that scenario.

You keep repeating this, but Charbs was quite effective in this scenario yesterday. Limited sample, so let's see what happens, but there's a possibility that Charbs has relative strengths that make him better suited for this situation.
If you look at the drives, Darnold was not completing passes when Walker was on the field. I say this as someone with 2 Charbs shares and no KW3 shares. We need more data here but I am confident this is going to be a split.
 
well, at 12 carries for 47 yards its not like Charbs is lighting the world on fire. He needs to do better than that if hes gonna unseat Walker for the starting job

4 ypa behind that line is very credible. It’s amazing that they simply literally stopped giving him the ball and instead fed Walker in the later stages of the game when Walker was doing nothing with the touches.

Was Charbonnet hurt somewhere in the 3rd quarter? If not, the coaches ought to be answering to that course of action in a close game like that.
Because, despite what your opinion is, the staff still views Walker as the better RB. You have any other answers?
Based on what? Didn't look that way yesterday.
Based on the fact the coaching staff played Walked in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.
I am not the coaching staff.
 
Walker was in the game on the last possession when the game was on the line.
You sure about that? I thought both Charbs & Walker were in the game alternating on that last possession.

Maybe I’m misremembering?
2nd to last drive:

(7:06) K.Walker left end to SF 45 for 8 yards (S.Okuayinonu).
1st & 10 at SEA 47


(6:23) S.Darnold scrambles right end ran ob at SF 40 for 5 yards (D.Lenoir).
2nd & 2 at SF 45


(5:44) K.Walker right guard to SF 35 for 5 yards (D.Winters; L.Gifford).
1st & 10 at SF 40


(5:06) Z.Charbonnet left guard to SF 28 for 7 yards (F.Warner).
2nd & 5 at SF 35


(4:22) K.Walker left end pushed ob at SF 24 for 4 yards (D.Winters).
1st & 10 at SF 28


(4:15) K.Walker right guard to SF 25 for -1 yards (D.Winters).
2nd & 6 at SF 24


(3:33) (Shotgun) S.Darnold pass short left to C.Kupp pushed ob at SF 19 for 6 yards (R.Green).
3rd & 7 at SF 25

Field Goal

(3:28) J.Myers 37 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Stoll, Holder-M.Dickson.




Last Drive:

Kickoff

J.Moody kicks 65 yards from SF 35 to end zone, Touchback to the SEA 35.
Kickoff from SF 35


(1:34) (Shotgun) S.Darnold pass short left to J.Smith-Njigba to SEA 46 for 11 yards (J.Pinnock).
1st & 10 at SEA 35


(1:18) (No Huddle, Shotgun) S.Darnold pass incomplete deep left to J.Smith-Njigba (U.Stout).
1st & 10 at SEA 46


(1:13) (Shotgun) S.Darnold pass deep left to J.Smith-Njigba pushed ob at SF 14 for 40 yards (R.Green).
2nd & 10 at SEA 46


(1:06) (Shotgun) S.Darnold pass incomplete short left to K.Walker (D.Winters).PENALTY on SF-B.Huff, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at SF 14 - No Play.
1st & 10 at SF 14


(1:02) (Shotgun) K.Walker left guard to SF 9 for no gain (N.Bosa).
1st & 5 at SF 9


(:42) (No Huddle, Shotgun) S.Darnold sacked at SF 16 for -7 yards (N.Bosa). FUMBLES (N.Bosa), touched at SF 13, RECOVERED by SF-N.Bosa at SF 16.PENALTY on SF-D.Lenoir, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 8 yards, enforced at SF 16.
2nd & 5 at SF 9
 
Hoping K9 can bounce back (not unnecessarily outside though!), but I can at least take solace knowing had I not drafted him I'd probably have picked Kittle and missed out on Warren.
 

That’s a very convincing explanation. Funny how it touches on the exact same sentiment in this thread about how it seems like the blocking is worse for Walker. Dude is going to have to adjust if he wants to play. I would think it’s something he can work through. I guess we’ll see.
 

That’s a very convincing explanation. Funny how it touches on the exact same sentiment in this thread about how it seems like the blocking is worse for Walker. Dude is going to have to adjust if he wants to play. I would think it’s something he can work through. I guess we’ll see.
so if you have both KW3 and Charbs which one do you start?
I was fortunate to get Charbs in the leagues I have KW3 (it was expensive but this is a reminder as to why you pay that late 1st/early 2nd round price in rookie drafts)
 

That’s a very convincing explanation. Funny how it touches on the exact same sentiment in this thread about how it seems like the blocking is worse for Walker. Dude is going to have to adjust if he wants to play. I would think it’s something he can work through. I guess we’ll see.

It's interesting b/c all offseason I kept reading upthread about how Walker fit perfectly into Kubiak's wide zone scheme... The whole time I thot, hmm, I don't recall Walker being a one-cut-and-go runner, but more of a dancer with burst and less power than his frame would imply.

Charbs OTOH, clearly fits the mold, if week 1 is any indication. As you suggested, Walker has to adjust his game for this or he is going to continue falling out of favor. I am not as confident that is readily doable. Even if he gets the concept, we are talking years of deprogramming his running instincts. Maybe that can happen.
 
It isn’t going to happen with KW3. Bouncing runs to the outside and playing outside of structure is who he has been since he came into the NFL. Why do people think he is going to change now? There have been the occasional flash plays that get this board lathered up and ready to anoint Walker as a Top 5 RB. Though, they ignore his lack of fundamentals and repetitions that Charbs clearly has with his game. Coaches want players who follow the playbook; it is why KW3 was a liability coming into the season when so many others saw a fantasy darling.
 
I think people are panicking too early. Feel like everyone is hyping up Charbs, like he set the world on fire. He had 47 yards and a short TD run either could have got haha. Neither really looked good (though yes Charbs looked better). I mean SF Run D is always solid+ new addition of Salah. Let's see how they bounce back this week. I could see both racking up some solid gains/yardage against PIT. Maybe am too optimistic, but Walker was nursing an injury in training camp, which I think probably had something to play with his usage. Personally, I would rather them not have pushed him out too quick and got him hurt.
 
From around the web:

“After a quiet Week 1, Kenneth Walker III is a prime buy-low candidate for managers. The panic from his owners due to a poor stat line and the emergence of Zach Charbonnet, who had more carries, creates the perfect opportunity to acquire an explosive talent at a big discount.

Kenneth Walker III is a buy-low candidate heading into Week 2, and now’s the time to buy before his value spikes. He totaled just 20 rushing yards on 10 carries in Week 1 but still led Seattle’s backfield in snaps and touches while easing back from a preseason injury. The Seahawks offense looked sluggish, but Walker remains their most explosive playmaker and should see increased volume as the unit finds rhythm. With a softer schedule ahead and big-play upside baked into his role, he’s primed to remind managers why he was a top-20 RB last season.

“I’m sticking with a guy I liked all offseason and recommending you should buy low on Kenneth Walker III. I understand Charbonnet played more than people expected, but I believe this was due to Walker’s injury in the preseason. When he is fully healthy, I believe that Kenneth Walker will be the clear lead back in Seattle.
 
I’m mulling over starting Bill over him this week.

Yes, I’m overreacting to Walker’s disappointing week AND Bill’s promising start.

Yes, I will undoubtedly get snake-bitten and choose poorly.

Mark Sanchez: “Week 1 is a dirty, little liar. Just like your ex.”
 
Sending Walker to the bench for, gulp, Javonte Williams (against the NYG at least). Also have Charbs on this same (only) team where I roster Walker. Not confident in starting EITHER of them til this sorts itself out a little better.
 
I’m mulling over starting Bill over him this week.
You don't wanna start Bill against GB.
That’s the only reason I haven’t made up my mind already. But they got rid of Kenny Clark- they can’t be that good against the run, right? 🤔
I mean, they completely neutralized Gibbs on Sunday, and he's a wee bit better than Bill, no?
I was being a little sarcastic referencing Jerruh’s mental gymnastics to justify the Micah trade.

But, I’ll die on the hill that Bill is on a HOF trajectory.
 
I’m mulling over starting Bill over him this week.
You don't wanna start Bill against GB.
That’s the only reason I haven’t made up my mind already. But they got rid of Kenny Clark- they can’t be that good against the run, right? 🤔
I mean, they completely neutralized Gibbs on Sunday, and he's a wee bit better than Bill, no?
I see you haven’t read the Bill thread.

He’s THE RB1.
 
I went back and watched every Seahawk possession. Neither Walker or Charbonnet looked great. Darnold looked worse.
In all seriousness, the o-line is the issue. Both backs had good runs when there was an opening. Both also got stuffed plenty of times.
I will say the last Seattle play was a pass attempt to Walker that may have been touchdown but the pass was knocked away.
Looks like a 50-50 split until one either breaks out or gets injured.

What I did learn is that, with a better QB, JSN could very well be the #1 overall WR. He seemed uncoverable.
 

That’s a very convincing explanation. Funny how it touches on the exact same sentiment in this thread about how it seems like the blocking is worse for Walker. Dude is going to have to adjust if he wants to play. I would think it’s something he can work through. I guess we’ll see.

It's interesting b/c all offseason I kept reading upthread about how Walker fit perfectly into Kubiak's wide zone scheme... The whole time I thot, hmm, I don't recall Walker being a one-cut-and-go runner, but more of a dancer with burst and less power than his frame would imply.

Charbs OTOH, clearly fits the mold, if week 1 is any indication. As you suggested, Walker has to adjust his game for this or he is going to continue falling out of favor. I am not as confident that is readily doable. Even if he gets the concept, we are talking years of deprogramming his running instincts. Maybe that can happen.

Well in the last clip it shows an example of him playing with the design, so maybe there’s hope?

Or maybe they’ll call plays for him that focus more inside, so he’ll be less likely to bounce it out. Could be an ugly situation all year.
 
From around the web:

“After a quiet Week 1, Kenneth Walker III is a prime buy-low candidate for managers. The panic from his owners due to a poor stat line and the emergence of Zach Charbonnet, who had more carries, creates the perfect opportunity to acquire an explosive talent at a big discount.

Kenneth Walker III is a buy-low candidate heading into Week 2, and now’s the time to buy before his value spikes. He totaled just 20 rushing yards on 10 carries in Week 1 but still led Seattle’s backfield in snaps and touches while easing back from a preseason injury. The Seahawks offense looked sluggish, but Walker remains their most explosive playmaker and should see increased volume as the unit finds rhythm. With a softer schedule ahead and big-play upside baked into his role, he’s primed to remind managers why he was a top-20 RB last season.

“I’m sticking with a guy I liked all offseason and recommending you should buy low on Kenneth Walker III. I understand Charbonnet played more than people expected, but I believe this was due to Walker’s injury in the preseason. When he is fully healthy, I believe that Kenneth Walker will be the clear lead back in Seattle.

Did you read the article that was shared above with clips of him making the wrong reads repeatedly?

He’s going to have to change his playing style to fit the offense. If he can change the buy low could pay off, but if not that could be a bad move.
 
I went back and watched every Seahawk possession. Neither Walker or Charbonnet looked great. Darnold looked worse.
I watched the game and as a 49er fan, I was happy every time they handed the ball to Walker. Charbonnet looked way better IMO.

People get burned by the Walker hype and draft him 3 rounds before he should be drafted because he's the "starter"
 
I think I'm benching both Walker and Charbs this week to try a wait and see approach until they figure this backfield out. Going to start either Jordan Mason or Dylan Sampson as a RB2.
 
I think I'm benching both Walker and Charbs this week to try a wait and see approach until they figure this backfield out. Going to start either Jordan Mason or Dylan Sampson as a RB2.
Charbs for me all day amongst those four.
 
From around the web:

“After a quiet Week 1, Kenneth Walker III is a prime buy-low candidate for managers. The panic from his owners due to a poor stat line and the emergence of Zach Charbonnet, who had more carries, creates the perfect opportunity to acquire an explosive talent at a big discount.

Kenneth Walker III is a buy-low candidate heading into Week 2, and now’s the time to buy before his value spikes. He totaled just 20 rushing yards on 10 carries in Week 1 but still led Seattle’s backfield in snaps and touches while easing back from a preseason injury. The Seahawks offense looked sluggish, but Walker remains their most explosive playmaker and should see increased volume as the unit finds rhythm. With a softer schedule ahead and big-play upside baked into his role, he’s primed to remind managers why he was a top-20 RB last season.

“I’m sticking with a guy I liked all offseason and recommending you should buy low on Kenneth Walker III. I understand Charbonnet played more than people expected, but I believe this was due to Walker’s injury in the preseason. When he is fully healthy, I believe that Kenneth Walker will be the clear lead back in Seattle.

Did you read the article that was shared above with clips of him making the wrong reads repeatedly?

He’s going to have to change his playing style to fit the offense. If he can change the buy low could pay off, but if not that could be a bad move.
Yes and they showed ONE Charbonnet run. That's what encouraged me to go review the game tape.
What the video you posted didn't show were the runs Charbonnet also ran into the line and runs where Walker did what he was supposed to.
That's why I said in my post above that both RB's had good runs and bad. I didn't just cherry pick a few to try and prove a point.
No offense to you for posting the video, I just don't think the video holds much weight at all. Seems pretty biased if you ask me.
 

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