Biabreakable
Footballguy
He provided 3/4th of a season of top 12 RB performance before being replaced by Gurley which was certainly worth rostering and starting while he did.
Many many RB never do this much in their careers.
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Many many RB never do this much in their careers.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Anyone low balling Williams owners?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
No. I don't lowball anyone on purpose. Kyren Williams value is lower, so get him cheaper if you feel it is worth it. I have one share and he's a hold. Why sell for peanuts? That's nuts. He's still going to be very fantasy relevant in 2024 if he stays healthy.
I’m a Kyren owner and he’s my rb3(or 4 depending on how you feel about Rachaad White) and I can tell you I’m not really panicking about Corum, but maybe I’m in the minority. They were always going to add competition because they simply couldn’t take him off the field last year because it was such a drop off when he was off the field.
jm192
Footballguy
I think they'd probably prefer to have him around 16-18 touches per game rather than ~22.
He was super efficient on the ground, and I would expect that to remain with a lighter load.
For fantasy purposes: A lot of his top end value came from the workload and the 1.25 TD's/game. I think he's a good NFL back, but I don't think he's a TD per game good. I would think we almost surely see some TD regression this year.
That may be baked into the cost. He's going as RB7ish a lot of places.
He was super efficient on the ground, and I would expect that to remain with a lighter load.
For fantasy purposes: A lot of his top end value came from the workload and the 1.25 TD's/game. I think he's a good NFL back, but I don't think he's a TD per game good. I would think we almost surely see some TD regression this year.
That may be baked into the cost. He's going as RB7ish a lot of places.
Agree, I think his weekly role is likely to be smaller (it was as big as anyone aside from CMC) but I also think his passing game work could if not increase, be more efficient. My current projection is:
220 carries
1000 yards
4.5 YPC
8 rush TDs
40 catches
300 yards
7.5 YPR
2 TD catches
I think RB7 is pretty fair.
jm192
Footballguy
I don't think 7 is egregious or unfair.
I agree with him having around the numbers you posted. Last year, that puts him around RB 10-12.
#10. Gibbs had 1261 total yards, 51 Receptions, 11 TD
#11. James Cook had 1567/44 receptions/6
#12. Saquon had 1242/41/10.
And while last year certainly isn't a perfect barometer, it's a starting point. I wonder if he isn't finishing more in that low end RB1 range.
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
Kyren Williams is BY FAR the riskiest player to draft right now.
FFPC non-BB league tourney ADP is 2.09 right now.
Kyren is NOT a pedigreed back, and was drafted in round five, pick 164, in 2022.
His athleticism is actually quite poor, you don't want to see the dreaded pucker look on MockDraftable.com, but here it is Kyren Williams.
Injury history:
Injury History
The team believed in him so much that they selected Blake Corum in the 3rd round, with pick 83 overall, 81 picks higher than they selected Williams.
Corum outperformed Williams in nearly every combine metric:
Blake Corum MockDraftable.com
And then the question gets asked:
www.si.com
"One of the things that jumped off is there's a lot of traits that reminded me of Kyren Williams," McVay said. "Obviously I love Kyren and he's been so important and just the human being, but then also when you just look at the way he works at it, the production and the things that he was able to bring to our offense last year and even really some of the things that he worked through his rookie year -- I think there's a lot of similarities."
My Take:
Anyone can disregard some or part of the argument above, but unless you ignore ALL OF IT, drafting Kyren Williams at pick 2.09 right now vs. any other option at that point in the draft is a terrible risk/reward decision.
FFPC non-BB league tourney ADP is 2.09 right now.
Kyren is NOT a pedigreed back, and was drafted in round five, pick 164, in 2022.
His athleticism is actually quite poor, you don't want to see the dreaded pucker look on MockDraftable.com, but here it is Kyren Williams.
Injury history:
Injury History
| Date | League | Injury |
|---|---|---|
| Sep 8, 2022 | NFL | Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 |
| Oct 15, 2023 | NFL | Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 |
| Jan 14, 2024 | NFL | Hand Metacarpal Fracture |
| Oct 1, 2023 | NFL | Inguinal Hip Strain |
The team believed in him so much that they selected Blake Corum in the 3rd round, with pick 83 overall, 81 picks higher than they selected Williams.
Corum outperformed Williams in nearly every combine metric:
Blake Corum MockDraftable.com
And then the question gets asked:
Rams Rumors: Is LA Prepping Blake Corum to Replace Kyren Williams?
Rams Rumors: Is LA Prepping Blake Corum to Replace Kyren Williams?
The Los Angeles Rams went into the 2024 season with one of the most impressive offenses in the league. In 2023, the Rams' offense ranked seventh in total offens
"One of the things that jumped off is there's a lot of traits that reminded me of Kyren Williams," McVay said. "Obviously I love Kyren and he's been so important and just the human being, but then also when you just look at the way he works at it, the production and the things that he was able to bring to our offense last year and even really some of the things that he worked through his rookie year -- I think there's a lot of similarities."
My Take:
Anyone can disregard some or part of the argument above, but unless you ignore ALL OF IT, drafting Kyren Williams at pick 2.09 right now vs. any other option at that point in the draft is a terrible risk/reward decision.
Could not agree more. Kyren is not going to produce anywhere near his draft value.Kyren Williams is BY FAR the riskiest player to draft right now.
FFPC non-BB league tourney ADP is 2.09 right now.
Kyren is NOT a pedigreed back, and was drafted in round five, pick 164, in 2022.
His athleticism is actually quite poor, you don't want to see the dreaded pucker look on MockDraftable.com, but here it is Kyren Williams.
Injury history:
Injury History
Date League Injury Sep 8, 2022 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Oct 15, 2023 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Jan 14, 2024 NFL Hand Metacarpal Fracture Oct 1, 2023 NFL Inguinal Hip Strain
The team believed in him so much that they selected Blake Corum in the 3rd round, with pick 83 overall, 81 picks higher than they selected Williams.
Corum outperformed Williams in nearly every combine metric:
Blake Corum MockDraftable.com
And then the question gets asked:
Rams Rumors: Is LA Prepping Blake Corum to Replace Kyren Williams?
Rams Rumors: Is LA Prepping Blake Corum to Replace Kyren Williams?
The Los Angeles Rams went into the 2024 season with one of the most impressive offenses in the league. In 2023, the Rams' offense ranked seventh in total offens
"One of the things that jumped off is there's a lot of traits that reminded me of Kyren Williams," McVay said. "Obviously I love Kyren and he's been so important and just the human being, but then also when you just look at the way he works at it, the production and the things that he was able to bring to our offense last year and even really some of the things that he worked through his rookie year -- I think there's a lot of similarities."
My Take:
Anyone can disregard some or part of the argument above, but unless you ignore ALL OF IT, drafting Kyren Williams at pick 2.09 right now vs. any other option at that point in the draft is a terrible risk/reward decision.
I agree. hes overvalued based on his current ADP.Could not agree more. Kyren is not going to produce anywhere near his draft value.Kyren Williams is BY FAR the riskiest player to draft right now.
FFPC non-BB league tourney ADP is 2.09 right now.
Kyren is NOT a pedigreed back, and was drafted in round five, pick 164, in 2022.
His athleticism is actually quite poor, you don't want to see the dreaded pucker look on MockDraftable.com, but here it is Kyren Williams.
Injury history:
Injury History
Date League Injury Sep 8, 2022 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Oct 15, 2023 NFL Pedal Ankle (high) Sprain Grade 3 Jan 14, 2024 NFL Hand Metacarpal Fracture Oct 1, 2023 NFL Inguinal Hip Strain
The team believed in him so much that they selected Blake Corum in the 3rd round, with pick 83 overall, 81 picks higher than they selected Williams.
Corum outperformed Williams in nearly every combine metric:
Blake Corum MockDraftable.com
And then the question gets asked:
Rams Rumors: Is LA Prepping Blake Corum to Replace Kyren Williams?
Rams Rumors: Is LA Prepping Blake Corum to Replace Kyren Williams?
The Los Angeles Rams went into the 2024 season with one of the most impressive offenses in the league. In 2023, the Rams' offense ranked seventh in total offens
"One of the things that jumped off is there's a lot of traits that reminded me of Kyren Williams," McVay said. "Obviously I love Kyren and he's been so important and just the human being, but then also when you just look at the way he works at it, the production and the things that he was able to bring to our offense last year and even really some of the things that he worked through his rookie year -- I think there's a lot of similarities."
My Take:
Anyone can disregard some or part of the argument above, but unless you ignore ALL OF IT, drafting Kyren Williams at pick 2.09 right now vs. any other option at that point in the draft is a terrible risk/reward decision.
but I do think the Rams will play him until he gets hurt or until his production slips.
Corum is the heir apparent, but he has work to do to round out his game. apparently he needs work pass pro and given the health of the QB, that could keep him on the bench longer than Corum dynasty owners would like. I think he could tighten up on some of his route running as well. an area where Kyren Williams is very good.. I could see Corum taking short yardage and goal line carries. and that will hurt Williams TD production some. and he will likely take a few carries to give Williams a breather as I think they actually overplayed him due to a lack of depth at the position last year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Kyren is like two months older than Corum, and just averaged 5ypc. Just saying.
I agree kyren is going too high though
I agree kyren is going too high though
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Kyrens ADP is 28, hasnt fallen past pick 41........and the draft I'm looking at now he's still on the board at 48
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Redraft...let me say that I didn't have him on any roster last year and didn't pay much attention to him week to week so some of the stats I researched were surprising
I cannot be alone on this
-Someone said Williams is not pedigreed, Notre Dame 3 seasons and had back to back 246 touch seasons, 31 TDs his 2nd and 3rd season combined
Understanding the RB market in the NFL, made the jump, 3rd, 4th, 5th round, for the kids coming out of college not much difference.
-He spent much of his rookie season watching from the sidelines, probably did him a lot of good. Last year 260 touches, 1350/15TDs but here is what I found interesting
Game Logs include attempt numbers 25 @Ind, 20 AZ, 21 CLE, 25 @ Bal, 27 WAS, 22 @NO, 20 NYG...and he strung several of those game together in the 2nd half of the season
Does that not look like a bell cow to anyone else? Maybe some of it was due to the offense and what the Rams were doing but they made the Playoffs IIRC
It would seem they want to continue to build around what worked last year and add some new wrinkles.
I like Blake Corum a lot but he is also an undersized RB that played over his athleticism many times at Michigan, they did draft him in the 3rd Round and I expect him to see action.
228 carries over 12 games, Williams was on pace for 300+ carries. I would project him over 200 for sure this season, Year 3 of his rookie deal,
Don't think the Rams will make long term commitments to their RBs, no reason to not utilize Williams as much as possible.
He caught 32 balls but almost 50 targets, not the best set of hands
Williams does seem a little risky around the end of the 2nd/early 3rd and there are many WRs I like better in that range vs what yo pick thru at WR in the 5th, 7th, 9th rounds, can still find decent RBs in those areas, makes me want to try and grab WRs early where I can
I cannot be alone on this
-Someone said Williams is not pedigreed, Notre Dame 3 seasons and had back to back 246 touch seasons, 31 TDs his 2nd and 3rd season combined
Understanding the RB market in the NFL, made the jump, 3rd, 4th, 5th round, for the kids coming out of college not much difference.
-He spent much of his rookie season watching from the sidelines, probably did him a lot of good. Last year 260 touches, 1350/15TDs but here is what I found interesting
Game Logs include attempt numbers 25 @Ind, 20 AZ, 21 CLE, 25 @ Bal, 27 WAS, 22 @NO, 20 NYG...and he strung several of those game together in the 2nd half of the season
Does that not look like a bell cow to anyone else? Maybe some of it was due to the offense and what the Rams were doing but they made the Playoffs IIRC
It would seem they want to continue to build around what worked last year and add some new wrinkles.
I like Blake Corum a lot but he is also an undersized RB that played over his athleticism many times at Michigan, they did draft him in the 3rd Round and I expect him to see action.
228 carries over 12 games, Williams was on pace for 300+ carries. I would project him over 200 for sure this season, Year 3 of his rookie deal,
Don't think the Rams will make long term commitments to their RBs, no reason to not utilize Williams as much as possible.
He caught 32 balls but almost 50 targets, not the best set of hands
Williams does seem a little risky around the end of the 2nd/early 3rd and there are many WRs I like better in that range vs what yo pick thru at WR in the 5th, 7th, 9th rounds, can still find decent RBs in those areas, makes me want to try and grab WRs early where I can
Kyren was nothing short of amazing last year.
He absolutely was. But this is a new year.
Sure, I was just trying to clarify to MoP that the performance (which he said he didn't pay much attention to) matched the stats.
I like Kyren, and I think he’ll still produce this season as long as he’s healthy.
That said, I had an opportunity a few weeks ago to package him with a late 25’ 1st and get Puka and couldn’t hit accept fast enough.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I am wary of him at the price I have been seeing as being ranked a top 5 RB for redraft.
Whike he performed at that level when healthy last season I think his utilization was too high and that is not sustainable.
Whike he performed at that level when healthy last season I think his utilization was too high and that is not sustainable.
Sean McVay says Kyren Williams will be the Rams’ punt returner.
McVay says this is “another way” for Williams to get touches and “impact the game” and added his comfort level with this decision is there due to the presence of Blake Corum and Ronnie Rivers.
Practices are closed during install and game prep periods starting this week. I will reiterate, Kyren Williams and Blake Corum have both gotten first team reps the majority of August with Williams in the leadoff spot. Corum started with some twos and then moved up.
What the ****?
McVay says this is “another way” for Williams to get touches and “impact the game” and added his comfort level with this decision is there due to the presence of Blake Corum and Ronnie Rivers.
Practices are closed during install and game prep periods starting this week. I will reiterate, Kyren Williams and Blake Corum have both gotten first team reps the majority of August with Williams in the leadoff spot. Corum started with some twos and then moved up.
What the ****?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Goodness, stock up Corum shares.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Never trust Sean McVay and the RB position.
eighsse2
Footballguy
He's comfortable putting Williams out there because of Corum and Ronnie Rivers? How is that comforting?
greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
I picked him up for free in a league around this time last year. I'm enjoying the ride but do not like the feeling that the bottom could fall out at any minute.
The idea of spending an early second on him in redraft is not something I'd have the stomach for even though he clearly demonstrated top 2 overall RB last year.
The idea of spending an early second on him in redraft is not something I'd have the stomach for even though he clearly demonstrated top 2 overall RB last year.
Just spent an early second on him on Monday night.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Kyren Williams returning punts?
For that reason, I'm out.
For that reason, I'm out.
Yeah, not great.
Really glad I moved him in a package to get Puka a few months ago.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
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MrSoup
Footballguy
Went into 2024 draft with Kyren as one of my 5 keepers. Feeling great now about overpaying a bit to get Corum on my bench.
I love everything Kyren did for me last season. Helped me win a league championship. But I tried my hardest to move him during the summer. Couldn’t get what I considered a fair price. Ended up keeping him. Something about him, just always felt too good to be true.
I love everything Kyren did for me last season. Helped me win a league championship. But I tried my hardest to move him during the summer. Couldn’t get what I considered a fair price. Ended up keeping him. Something about him, just always felt too good to be true.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Didn't McVay do this with Akers at some point?
I don't recall on Akers, but Kyren was on kickoffs as a rookie and got a HAS in his very first game because of it so really don't like this development.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s a totally normal thing to have your RB1 returning kicks, right?
I avoided this situation entirely so far. 2 drafts to go. Hope no one else in my league tomorrow or Saturday is paying attention. I like when Kyren is a 2nd round pick. One more off the board I don’t want.
I avoided this situation entirely so far. 2 drafts to go. Hope no one else in my league tomorrow or Saturday is paying attention. I like when Kyren is a 2nd round pick. One more off the board I don’t want.
Normally no, but its worth pointing out that McVay had Cooper Kupp still returning punts in 2020.It’s a totally normal thing to have your RB1 returning kicks, right?
I avoided this situation entirely so far. 2 drafts to go. Hope no one else in my league tomorrow or Saturday is paying attention. I like when Kyren is a 2nd round pick. One more off the board I don’t want.
Its not ideal, but I'm personally still on board in round 3, over the likes of Etienne. Now if Achane (or maybe even Pacheco) is there in round 3 then its a tougher question. I haven't found myself passing on Achane much.
ETA: Actually just acquired Kyren in a dynasty trade as part of a larger deal, where I gave up Taylor, Pacheco, and J. Brooks (post rookie draft) for Jefferson and Kyren. Possibly a hit this year but can't help but feel like acquiring Jefferson is a do at any costs thing in dynasty. Only need Kyren to be a flex in that league.
Down Under
Footballguy
Went 1.05 in my local draft last night 
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He’s been going in the late 2nd pretty regularly. Too rich for my blood.Normally no, but its worth pointing out that McVay had Cooper Kupp still returning punts in 2020.It’s a totally normal thing to have your RB1 returning kicks, right?
I avoided this situation entirely so far. 2 drafts to go. Hope no one else in my league tomorrow or Saturday is paying attention. I like when Kyren is a 2nd round pick. One more off the board I don’t want.
Its not ideal, but I'm personally still on board in round 3, over the likes of Etienne. Now if Achane (or maybe even Pacheco) is there in round 3 then its a tougher question. I haven't found myself passing on Achane much.
ETA: Actually just acquired Kyren in a dynasty trade as part of a larger deal, where I gave up Taylor, Pacheco, and J. Brooks (post rookie draft) for Jefferson and Kyren. Possibly a hit this year but can't help but feel like acquiring Jefferson is a do at any costs thing in dynasty. Only need Kyren to be a flex in that league.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeesh.Went 1.05 in my local draft last night
On the flip side, I wonder if this news gets his value to tank a bit, and he falls to like round 4 or something.He’s been going in the late 2nd pretty regularly. Too rich for my blood.Normally no, but its worth pointing out that McVay had Cooper Kupp still returning punts in 2020.It’s a totally normal thing to have your RB1 returning kicks, right?
I avoided this situation entirely so far. 2 drafts to go. Hope no one else in my league tomorrow or Saturday is paying attention. I like when Kyren is a 2nd round pick. One more off the board I don’t want.
Its not ideal, but I'm personally still on board in round 3, over the likes of Etienne. Now if Achane (or maybe even Pacheco) is there in round 3 then its a tougher question. I haven't found myself passing on Achane much.
ETA: Actually just acquired Kyren in a dynasty trade as part of a larger deal, where I gave up Taylor, Pacheco, and J. Brooks (post rookie draft) for Jefferson and Kyren. Possibly a hit this year but can't help but feel like acquiring Jefferson is a do at any costs thing in dynasty. Only need Kyren to be a flex in that league.
