Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Aren't the weather conditions supposed to be lousy tonight? How is Murray in those conditions? Any worries that Reece has a larger role?
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RB Latavius Murray, BUF (2 Viewers)
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Fireballer
Footballguy
Olawale has been getting the carries recently, not Reece. Carr has actually had more rushing attempts recently than all the backups
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
So that's a good thing then. Murray at least has been getting carries. Guy is so due to bust a long one!
Wishful thinking....
buck naked
Footballguy
Well that's good because I was worried you were not reading the Weather Channel correctly.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
BOOM!!!
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
Fireballer
Footballguy
Thank goodness! 100 total and a TD will be a great start!
skol asylum
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Thursday night football has been brutal to me all year, good week to stop that. Thanks Murray. That sure was a nice start. He just waltzed in there. Lets see some more holes like that please.
SpruceGoose
Footballguy
doesnt seem like they are going to give anyone anything for it.
I would imagine that will be fixed later.
edit: they already fixed it
I would imagine that will be fixed later.
edit: they already fixed it
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Fireballer
Footballguy
My ESPN team has Murray with 19 pts in standard and my NFL.com team has Murray with 16 pts
Fireballer
Footballguy
This makes it look like the illegal man downfield penalty was accepted, when the ref clearly stated both were declined. From NFL.com box score:
4-4-OAK 46
03) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass short right to L.Murray to SD 30 for 24 yards. Lateral to A.Cooper to OAK 46 for -24 yards. Lateral to D.Carr to SD 49 for 5 yards. Lateral to M.Crabtree to SD 49 for no gain (M.Te'o). Penalty on OAK-J.Feliciano, Illegal Block Above the Waist, declined. PENALTY on OAK-G.Jackson, Ineligible Downfield Pass, 0 yards, enforced at OAK 46 - No Play.
4-4-OAK 46
03) (Shotgun) D.Carr pass short right to L.Murray to SD 30 for 24 yards. Lateral to A.Cooper to OAK 46 for -24 yards. Lateral to D.Carr to SD 49 for 5 yards. Lateral to M.Crabtree to SD 49 for no gain (M.Te'o). Penalty on OAK-J.Feliciano, Illegal Block Above the Waist, declined. PENALTY on OAK-G.Jackson, Ineligible Downfield Pass, 0 yards, enforced at OAK 46 - No Play.
skol asylum
Footballguy
I wasn't watching the game but it looks like MFL took these pts away?
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Fireballer
Footballguy
The NFL box score is saying a penalty was accepted which ended the half. That wasnt the case. The referee said both were declined which would allow the outcome of the play to stand.
skol asylum
Footballguy
I hope it gets reversed then. I can use all the points i can get.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not sure how it can't. It was a play, reception, and no penalty since it was declined to end the half.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So any reason as to why the hell they took away that reception at the end of the first half?
Only speculation I've heard is the coaches actually accepted the penalty, although it was announced by the referee as declined. Story makes sense, but that is speculative.
No clue if we will see a correction; my guess is we will not
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If they accepted the penalty, wouldnt there have been one more play?
Or maybe when the clock hits zero and there is an offensive penalty during the play, it is the end of the half whether they accept it or not
the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
03) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr pass short right to 28-L.Murray to SD 30 for 24 yards. Lateral to 89-A.Cooper to OAK 46 for -24 yards. Lateral to 4-D.Carr to SD 49 for 5 yards. Lateral to 15-M.Crabtree to SD 49 for no gain (50-M.Te'o). Penalty on OAK-68-J.Feliciano, Illegal Block Above the Waist, declined. PENALTY on OAK-66-G.Jackson, Ineligible Downfield Pass, 0 yards, enforced at OAK 46 - No Play.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
03) (Shotgun) 4-D.Carr pass short right to 28-L.Murray to SD 30 for 24 yards. Lateral to 89-A.Cooper to OAK 46 for -24 yards. Lateral to 4-D.Carr to SD 49 for 5 yards. Lateral to 15-M.Crabtree to SD 49 for no gain (50-M.Te'o). Penalty on OAK-68-J.Feliciano, Illegal Block Above the Waist, declined. PENALTY on OAK-66-G.Jackson, Ineligible Downfield Pass, 0 yards, enforced at OAK 46 - No Play.
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Blick
Footballguy
According to ESPN's play by play and the official ruling on the field, both penalties were declined. The yardage should be awarded.the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
Jack White
Footballguy
There is no reason for a defensive team to decline a penalty and let a play stand that resulted in yards allowed.According to ESPN's play by play and the official ruling on the field, both penalties were declined. The yardage should be awarded.the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
John Paul
Footballguy
As a dyno owner since his rookie year, I've been disappointed like a lot of GMs. However, he is still a rare breed in that not only is he an exceptional athlete, but he's also a bell cow. I hope the problem just comes down to touches. He should be getting 20-25 a game between rushing/receiving.
He is still in firm RB2 territory in my PPR league, so this comes down to me having higher expectations. I envisioned Gurley and Murray being my stable as Forte rode off into the sunset. That may still happen, but it didn't in '15.
He is still in firm RB2 territory in my PPR league, so this comes down to me having higher expectations. I envisioned Gurley and Murray being my stable as Forte rode off into the sunset. That may still happen, but it didn't in '15.
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Fireballer
Footballguy
Agreed...but we're not evaluating how smart it was. We're trying to figure out why the ref verbalized that both were declined but now they are saying one was enforced.There is no reason for a defensive team to decline a penalty and let a play stand that resulted in yards allowed.According to ESPN's play by play and the official ruling on the field, both penalties were declined. The yardage should be awarded.the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Espn play by play still shows both declined. It was a gain of 4 yards net and the half was over. I could easily see a coach getting confused and thinking if they accepted the penalty that there would be another play.Agreed...but we're not evaluating how smart it was. We're trying to figure out why the ref verbalized that both were declined but now they are saying one was enforced.There is no reason for a defensive team to decline a penalty and let a play stand that resulted in yards allowed.According to ESPN's play by play and the official ruling on the field, both penalties were declined. The yardage should be awarded.the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
Jack White
Footballguy
Highly unlikely. Anyone who has followed football for more than a week knows a half cannot end on a defensive penalty, but can on an offensive penalty.Espn play by play still shows both declined. It was a gain of 4 yards net and the half was over. I could easily see a coach getting confused and thinking if they accepted the penalty that there would be another play.Agreed...but we're not evaluating how smart it was. We're trying to figure out why the ref verbalized that both were declined but now they are saying one was enforced.There is no reason for a defensive team to decline a penalty and let a play stand that resulted in yards allowed.According to ESPN's play by play and the official ruling on the field, both penalties were declined. The yardage should be awarded.the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
What seems more likely is the penalty was ultimately accepted but not announced on TV.
Blick
Footballguy
Except that the ref said both were declined.Highly unlikely. Anyone who has followed football for more than a week knows a half cannot end on a defensive penalty, but can on an offensive penalty.What seems more likely is the penalty was ultimately accepted but not announced on TV.Espn play by play still shows both declined. It was a gain of 4 yards net and the half was over. I could easily see a coach getting confused and thinking if they accepted the penalty that there would be another play.Agreed...but we're not evaluating how smart it was. We're trying to figure out why the ref verbalized that both were declined but now they are saying one was enforced.There is no reason for a defensive team to decline a penalty and let a play stand that resulted in yards allowed.According to ESPN's play by play and the official ruling on the field, both penalties were declined. The yardage should be awarded.the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Highly unlikely? Coaches still do stupid ridiculous stuff all the time. They challenge plays that can't be challenged. They question calls that are no-brainers. Split second decision on an inconsequential play when half is over? Super easy to say declined and go into the locker room without giving it a second thought.Highly unlikely. Anyone who has followed football for more than a week knows a half cannot end on a defensive penalty, but can on an offensive penalty.Espn play by play still shows both declined. It was a gain of 4 yards net and the half was over. I could easily see a coach getting confused and thinking if they accepted the penalty that there would be another play.Agreed...but we're not evaluating how smart it was. We're trying to figure out why the ref verbalized that both were declined but now they are saying one was enforced.There is no reason for a defensive team to decline a penalty and let a play stand that resulted in yards allowed.According to ESPN's play by play and the official ruling on the field, both penalties were declined. The yardage should be awarded.the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
What seems more likely is the penalty was ultimately accepted but not announced on TV.
Jack White
Footballguy
That's all well good, except that the play by play and the stats indicate the penalty was accepted.Highly unlikely? Coaches still do stupid ridiculous stuff all the time. They challenge plays that can't be challenged. They question calls that are no-brainers. Split second decision on an inconsequential play when half is over? Super easy to say declined and go into the locker room without giving it a second thought.Highly unlikely. Anyone who has followed football for more than a week knows a half cannot end on a defensive penalty, but can on an offensive penalty.Espn play by play still shows both declined. It was a gain of 4 yards net and the half was over. I could easily see a coach getting confused and thinking if they accepted the penalty that there would be another play.Agreed...but we're not evaluating how smart it was. We're trying to figure out why the ref verbalized that both were declined but now they are saying one was enforced.There is no reason for a defensive team to decline a penalty and let a play stand that resulted in yards allowed.According to ESPN's play by play and the official ruling on the field, both penalties were declined. The yardage should be awarded.the half would be over either way, no need to give away free yards.
according to the play by play on nfl.com one of the penalties was accepted.
What seems more likely is the penalty was ultimately accepted but not announced on TV.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Luckily it happened on a Thursday instead of a monday. Dust has settled, so no big deal really. I mostly find it odd that the penalty was clearly declined, so much so that the play by play on ESPN.com says even today...
I just find it odd at this point that an official explanation hasn't been released. Maybe they have, but if they havent it just seems weird. There have to be thousands of people scratching their heads asking where did my points go???
What are people feeling about Murray these days? Word has been quiet out of Oakland. Usually that's a good thing but only for the short term I think. There are some prime targets at RB next year and unless Murray or Washington breaks out, I can see them making the move in the draft. I've never been impressed with Murray outside of his big game in 2014 against KC. He only finished as an rb1 this last year because the position suffered so many injuries while he played the whole year. I personally see him being average but maintaining his job this year due to excellent O-line play. Washington will get work but I can't see him winning the job without Murray blowing it.
What are your thoughts? Anyone going after him in dynasty?
What are your thoughts? Anyone going after him in dynasty?
Chaka
Footballguy
I don't play dynasty but I am pretty optimistic about him this season. The Raiders are building a mostly young and deep offensive line and Murray is definitely going to get the first crack at producing behind them. He's big, he can catch, he seems to have some quicks and straight line speed. I think he could do great things this year and I think the cost of acquiring him in dynasty will reflect that possibility. That means if he fails this year you are going to lose even more.
If I had him I would hold him. If I thought for a second that I could get him for cheap I would be all over that. But if I had to pay a premium based solely on limited info and potential then I would probably pass.
If I had him I would hold him. If I thought for a second that I could get him for cheap I would be all over that. But if I had to pay a premium based solely on limited info and potential then I would probably pass.
Fox Scream
Footballguy
He'll see less carries than last year, might be an improvement. Coaching staff doesn't seem very high on him. Would not feel comfortable owning him without also owning DeAndre Washington who looks like MJD reincarnated.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Fox Scream
Footballguy
Fireinside
Footballguy
Sold him in dynasty... looking forward of re-drafting him in the late rounds.
