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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA (3 Viewers)

Bell went 4th round my my draft (PPR/12 team), All in the 4th were

- Lacy @ 4.03

- Gio @ 4.06

- Miller @ 4.08

- Bell @ 4.10

Order seems about right to me. I dont think Bell is much of a value anymore, factoring in playing time and injury risk..

 
Concept Coop said:
This place can be funny (and I'm not excluding myself).

Bell is a top 3 rookie, gets dinged, doesn't look great on 4 preseason carries, sprains his foot...and the sky is falling.

Eddie Lacy is fat, injury prone, threatened by Franklin, then looks good in one game...and he's the top rookie RB.

All from a few pre-season carries.
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And Bell's knee wasn't 100% in that game either.

 
fCheeze said:
Bell went 4th round my my draft (PPR/12 team), All in the 4th were

- Lacy @ 4.03

- Gio @ 4.06

- Miller @ 4.08

- Bell @ 4.10

Order seems about right to me. I dont think Bell is much of a value anymore, factoring in playing time and injury risk..
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Umm, at 4 he's not a value

 
3C said:
Concept Coop said:
This place can be funny (and I'm not excluding myself).

Bell is a top 3 rookie, gets dinged, doesn't look great on 4 preseason carries, sprains his foot...and the sky is falling.

Eddie Lacy is fat, injury prone, threatened by Franklin, then looks good in one game...and he's the top rookie RB.

All from a few pre-season carries.
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And Bell's knee wasn't 100% in that game either.
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You guys nailed the fickle natured tendencies we share in this short memory hobby if ours.

 
Plucked him from waivers last night. Went undrafted since the injury occurred before our draft and everyone got scared. Subsequently, news that he is out of the walking boot already and its not a serious injury makes him a luke warm commodity. I'll stash him for awhile and hope that he gets a starting opportunity.

 
yoadrian said:
fCheeze said:
Bell went 4th round my my draft (PPR/12 team), All in the 4th were

- Lacy @ 4.03

- Gio @ 4.06

- Miller @ 4.08

- Bell @ 4.10

Order seems about right to me. I dont think Bell is much of a value anymore, factoring in playing time and injury risk..
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Umm, at 4 he's not a value
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I agree. When he was healthy that was the tier he was going in, and at the time Lacy's role was not as clear because Harris had yet to be IR'd. If he were healthy today without the injury scare I could see him being in that mix. Personally I'd have him between Lacy and Gio, but you could argue where to slot him specifically.

That said, he isn't healthy and I'd expect Bell to go a few rounds lower at this point. I got him quite late, but it was a 2 QB league which throws the ADP off considerably.

 
The worst part of foot injuries is maintaining your conditioning. Saying he's ready to play in 4 weeks means he may be able to START playing in 4 weeks -- best case.

That doesn't mean he'll be shouldering the load as lead back at that point.

Ill be drafting Bell as if he's lead back no sooner than week 8.

 
Shutout said:
chinawildman said:
Not sure what the Steelers saw in Bell... he kind of reminds me of <gulp> Daniel thomas.
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It is scary how many people I have seen and heard make that same comparison. There must be something to that.
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Nothing to it at all. It's an easy one to make because they look similar in pads. They're the same height and very close in weight. Bell is a very agile player and moves surprisingly well for a guy his size. I don't know if he has the burst to be a top 10 back, but he's not Daniel Thomas. Not to say he can't bust; I think there is some bust potential. But again, the Thomas comparison doesn't work for me, personally.

 
austinball said:
The worst part of foot injuries is maintaining your conditioning. Saying he's ready to play in 4 weeks means he may be able to START playing in 4 weeks -- best case.

That doesn't mean he'll be shouldering the load as lead back at that point.

Ill be drafting Bell as if he's lead back no sooner than week 8.
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I think that might be overly pessimistic - but foot issues obviously concern you a lot. Easy to reinjure, or if you are not 100% you end up with other injuries from compensating.

I'd think as of now, health wise, week 8 would be the worst case scenario (unless obviously there's something we just dont know about). If he really heals up in the next 2-3 weeks, Id think we are looking for him around week 4-5 with a 2 week or so build up with is more 4-6 weeks. 6 is probably a safe bet, possible production earlier if all goes right.

Also, he got through most of camp and should be in good condition, and it's not "football condition" but he can spend a few weeks on the bike, in the pool and other non impact - it's not like he was out for months, missed camp and has to start from square 1.

 
Koya said:
austinball said:
The worst part of foot injuries is maintaining your conditioning. Saying he's ready to play in 4 weeks means he may be able to START playing in 4 weeks -- best case.

That doesn't mean he'll be shouldering the load as lead back at that point.

Ill be drafting Bell as if he's lead back no sooner than week 8.
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I think that might be overly pessimistic - but foot issues obviously concern you a lot. Easy to reinjure, or if you are not 100% you end up with other injuries from compensating.

I'd think as of now, health wise, week 8 would be the worst case scenario (unless obviously there's something we just dont know about). If he really heals up in the next 2-3 weeks, Id think we are looking for him around week 4-5 with a 2 week or so build up with is more 4-6 weeks. 6 is probably a safe bet, possible production earlier if all goes right.

Also, he got through most of camp and should be in good condition, and it's not "football condition" but he can spend a few weeks on the bike, in the pool and other non impact - it's not like he was out for months, missed camp and has to start from square 1.
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I think the Steelers have a bye in week 5. Even if he were ready to go prior to that, I don't know that he would play in week 4 (unless they are 0-3, in which case they might "rush" him back).

 
Bayhawks said:
Koya said:
austinball said:
The worst part of foot injuries is maintaining your conditioning. Saying he's ready to play in 4 weeks means he may be able to START playing in 4 weeks -- best case.

That doesn't mean he'll be shouldering the load as lead back at that point.

Ill be drafting Bell as if he's lead back no sooner than week 8.
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I think that might be overly pessimistic - but foot issues obviously concern you a lot. Easy to reinjure, or if you are not 100% you end up with other injuries from compensating.

I'd think as of now, health wise, week 8 would be the worst case scenario (unless obviously there's something we just dont know about). If he really heals up in the next 2-3 weeks, Id think we are looking for him around week 4-5 with a 2 week or so build up with is more 4-6 weeks. 6 is probably a safe bet, possible production earlier if all goes right.

Also, he got through most of camp and should be in good condition, and it's not "football condition" but he can spend a few weeks on the bike, in the pool and other non impact - it's not like he was out for months, missed camp and has to start from square 1.
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I think the Steelers have a bye in week 5. Even if he were ready to go prior to that, I don't know that he would play in week 4 (unless they are 0-3, in which case they might "rush" him back).
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You may be right but I think that Bell is going to play when the medical staff clears him. If that is week 4, he is going to play week 4.

I suppose if the Steelers got off to a 3-0 start and the running game is doing great without him they might be more likely to sit him. However once a player is cleared medically and is not at a greater risk to be reinjured then there is no reason why he shouldn't be out there.

 
I agree that Week 8 may be overly pessimistic. But Im just thinking that as a rookie, not playing his first game until Week 4 at the earliest, probably Week 6, he won't be a back you're excited to plug into the lineup for a couple games after that IMO.

Dont forget he's a ROOK coming off an injury, and the rest of the backfield will be 4 games in before he starts taking snaps. So I bet the workload comes gradually. And if he outplays his peers, stays healthy, picks up the blitz, and doesn't fumble, he has a shot of carrying the load by Week 7 or 8.

Again thats my opinion and I realize its a conservative case. Thats just how Ill be drafting him.

 
In a ppr 2rb/3wr league with 3 keepers, i grabbed him in the 7th round, which would be 10th round equivilent. If he starts for half the year, thats good value. If not, I missed out on one of the 2nd tier wr lottery tickets like Patterson or Hopkins.

 
Lots of players aim for lots of things. I'd feel a lot better if the coaches were saying they were aiming for week 2. With that said, a week ago I was planning on him being out for at least 6 weeks, so any news that it might be shorter has to be considered a positive development.

 
pghrob said:
3C said:
Concept Coop said:
This place can be funny (and I'm not excluding myself).

Bell is a top 3 rookie, gets dinged, doesn't look great on 4 preseason carries, sprains his foot...and the sky is falling.

Eddie Lacy is fat, injury prone, threatened by Franklin, then looks good in one game...and he's the top rookie RB.

All from a few pre-season carries.
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And Bell's knee wasn't 100% in that game either.
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You guys nailed the fickle natured tendencies we share in this short memory hobby if ours.
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I agree and I have tried to not do this.

However due to the injury I had to downgrade Bell because of the conditioning issues as others have mentioned. This makes his rookie season closer to a red shirt year. So much of the value I saw for Bell early on.. being that he would be somewhat uncontested starter.. that value has been lost now.

So it goes.

 
Rotoworld:

Le'Veon Bell (foot) told reporters Monday he's aiming for a Week 2 return.
"I'm going to try to be back for Week 2, but I'm not making promises," were Bell's words. We'll take it. Initial fears had Bell out until October at the soonest, but there's now optimism he'll return at some point in September. Despite one report from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Isaac Redman is currently practicing as the Steelers' starting tailback -- not Felix Jones. Bell is worth rostering in all fantasy leagues as a bench stash.

Source: Jim Wexell on Twitter
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I have Gio and Bell as my 3rd and 4th RB's, hoping to use at least one of them as a very strong flex, or even weekly starter at some point. Personally, I have been hoping that Bell wouldn't come back till after the Steelers bye in week 5, giving him 6 full weeks to heal. Anything sooner would be a bonus, but I will be watching nervously if they roll him back out there in week 2. In my mind, he is by far the best RB talent-wise on the roster. With some good health for a change, and a (fingers crossed) Steelers O-line that gels by week 3 or 4, I envision Bell as a 3-down back that will make a lot of fantasy owners that got him at good value very, very happy.

 
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Clifford said:
Where is dr. Jene on this? Is a week 3 return even realistic?
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http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=13bramel_second_opinion_draft

We've yet to hear a formal diagnosis on Bell's midfoot injury. There was strong speculation that it was a Lisfranc sprain, but I don't think the medical staff would allow him to weight bear without a boot and crutches so soon after his injury were that the case. Running backs who have begun weight bearing rehab for midfoot injuries have generally been within 2-4 weeks of a return, but there are no guarantees.

Draft Recommendation: Last week, I recommended Bell no higher than your RB5 tiers. Now that it seems certain he'll avoid surgery, you can again begin considering Bell in the RB3/RB4 range. Work under the assumption that his Over/Under for games played this season will be 12. Draft him as your RB3 only if you're comfortable risking the under, which could be significant. If you can get him after the 10th round as your RB4 behind a solid top three, it's a reasonable risk to take.
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Work under the assumption that his Over/Under for games played this season will be 12. Draft him as your RB3 only if you're comfortable risking the under, which could be significant. If you can get him after the 10th round as your RB4 behind a solid top three, it's a reasonable risk to take.

Sounds here like the good doctor does not consider a week 2 return realistic at all. They have a week 5 bye, so if Jene is saying 12 games is the most likely, then that means returning after the bye week. I'm betting on a week 4 return against Minny, though I'm sure they would like to have him for that divisional matchup against Cincy.

 
Clifford said:
Work under the assumption that his Over/Under for games played this season will be 12. Draft him as your RB3 only if you're comfortable risking the under, which could be significant. If you can get him after the 10th round as your RB4 behind a solid top three, it's a reasonable risk to take.

Sounds here like the good doctor does not consider a week 2 return realistic at all. They have a week 5 bye, so if Jene is saying 12 games is the most likely, then that means returning after the bye week. I'm betting on a week 4 return against Minny, though I'm sure they would like to have him for that divisional matchup against Cincy.
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The over/under of 4 missed games doesn't mean Jene thinks he'll miss 4 games. It's possible that Bell could miss anywhere from 1 to 8, and 4 games just serves as a nice midpoint of the range. I don't think Jene has said anything that would speak to the feasibility of a week 2 return.

 
Adam Harstad said:
Clifford said:
Work under the assumption that his Over/Under for games played this season will be 12. Draft him as your RB3 only if you're comfortable risking the under, which could be significant. If you can get him after the 10th round as your RB4 behind a solid top three, it's a reasonable risk to take.

Sounds here like the good doctor does not consider a week 2 return realistic at all. They have a week 5 bye, so if Jene is saying 12 games is the most likely, then that means returning after the bye week. I'm betting on a week 4 return against Minny, though I'm sure they would like to have him for that divisional matchup against Cincy.
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The over/under of 4 missed games doesn't mean Jene thinks he'll miss 4 games. It's possible that Bell could miss anywhere from 1 to 8, and 4 games just serves as a nice midpoint of the range. I don't think Jene has said anything that would speak to the feasibility of a week 2 return.
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I read this differently, with potential implications that arise. If his over/under is 12 games, are we to assume that he will miss the first four then be healthy from here out? Or do we think he might be back by week three, but with a probability of reinjuring himself at some point, sit another couple of games and/or miss weeks at the end of the year?

 
Koya said:
Adam Harstad said:
Clifford said:
Work under the assumption that his Over/Under for games played this season will be 12. Draft him as your RB3 only if you're comfortable risking the under, which could be significant. If you can get him after the 10th round as your RB4 behind a solid top three, it's a reasonable risk to take.

Sounds here like the good doctor does not consider a week 2 return realistic at all. They have a week 5 bye, so if Jene is saying 12 games is the most likely, then that means returning after the bye week. I'm betting on a week 4 return against Minny, though I'm sure they would like to have him for that divisional matchup against Cincy.
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The over/under of 4 missed games doesn't mean Jene thinks he'll miss 4 games. It's possible that Bell could miss anywhere from 1 to 8, and 4 games just serves as a nice midpoint of the range. I don't think Jene has said anything that would speak to the feasibility of a week 2 return.
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I read this differently, with potential implications that arise. If his over/under is 12 games, are we to assume that he will miss the first four then be healthy from here out? Or do we think he might be back by week three, but with a probability of reinjuring himself at some point, sit another couple of games and/or miss weeks at the end of the year?
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That's another possibility, although I doubt the good Dr. Bramel meant for it all to be dissected so closely. Hopefully he'll weigh in again now that we have additional information regarding the injury.

 
Adam Harstad said:
Koya said:
Adam Harstad said:
Clifford said:
Work under the assumption that his Over/Under for games played this season will be 12. Draft him as your RB3 only if you're comfortable risking the under, which could be significant. If you can get him after the 10th round as your RB4 behind a solid top three, it's a reasonable risk to take.

Sounds here like the good doctor does not consider a week 2 return realistic at all. They have a week 5 bye, so if Jene is saying 12 games is the most likely, then that means returning after the bye week. I'm betting on a week 4 return against Minny, though I'm sure they would like to have him for that divisional matchup against Cincy.
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The over/under of 4 missed games doesn't mean Jene thinks he'll miss 4 games. It's possible that Bell could miss anywhere from 1 to 8, and 4 games just serves as a nice midpoint of the range. I don't think Jene has said anything that would speak to the feasibility of a week 2 return.
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I read this differently, with potential implications that arise. If his over/under is 12 games, are we to assume that he will miss the first four then be healthy from here out? Or do we think he might be back by week three, but with a probability of reinjuring himself at some point, sit another couple of games and/or miss weeks at the end of the year?
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That's another possibility, although I doubt the good Dr. Bramel meant for it all to be dissected so closely. Hopefully he'll weigh in again now that we have additional information regarding the injury.
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Fair enough. That said, over/under in that context implies now and future, otherwise I would have expected "over/under on his return would be 4 weeks" - we shall see

 
Assuming he comes back in week 3, how do folks feel about a rookie RB with no preseason play, coming off a big injury scare coming into the mix?

 
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