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RB Le'Veon Bell, FA (3 Viewers)

ghostguy123 said:
Its weird how people tend to think that injuries are ONLY game related.  We see a dozen non contact training injuries every year.  Mckinnon anyone?  Hell, an illness could cost him all of his future earnings.

In Bells exact situation it makes the most financial sense to report and play right now.  I still think he shows before week 1.  

To me, the risk is NOT signing right now, not the other way around. 
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I agree with this too.   Passing up a guaranteed $14.5 million for one season seems dumb to me.

 
ghostguy123 said:
Its weird how people tend to think that injuries are ONLY game related.  We see a dozen non contact training injuries every year.  Mckinnon anyone?  Hell, an illness could cost him all of his future earnings.

In Bells exact situation it makes the most financial sense to report and play right now.  I still think he shows before week 1.  

To me, the risk is NOT signing right now, not the other way around. 
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This is what insurance policies do.  

And McKinnon is a great argument for how this works in Bell's favor.

 
maybe Carl Nasib can talk to Bell to make sure he understands that the $14.5 million this year is very valuable due to compound interest and the time value of money :)

 
ghostguy123 said:
Thinking your petty typo comment got us here.
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?

You seem to be taking this personal, and getting personal.

If you thought I was doing the same at any point, I ensure you - I was not.  I made a typo.. you went here.

 
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ghostguy123 said:
Right, and have 9 million less in the bank. 
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While maximizing his chances at far more.

You get it, you are just having a rough morning apparently?  Been there.

Hope your day gets better man.. just debating some random football stuff, nothing serious.

 
What is Conner worth?

Tryng to move him to the Bell owner 

Or maybe see what it’ll take to get Bell? 

 
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I’ll admit I own Bell in one dynasty but right now I’m hoping he reports more so that we no longer have to hear arguments why holding out does or does not make more sense for him financially in the long run.

 
habsfan said:
I think another variable is the extent to which (if any) the way he is doing business this year costs him money next year. Some teams may be wary of (or discount) a player who has proved he is ready to "work to rule". 
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While there may be a team (or teams) who feel that way, next year he will not be restricted to negotiating with just one team.  As long as EVERY team isn't wary of that, he'll command much more money than Pitt offered him.

 
As a Conner owner (and not Bell), I have read every post in this thread for the last few days.  I am just a FF'er and not a contract lawyer, nor do I claim to know what Bell is thinking.  At this point, all I want to know is when Bell shows up.  And for every day he doesn't show, I get that much happier.  I have learned far too much about the CBA in the last 48 hours.  The only meaningful post to me over the last 24 hours is that he missed today's meeting.

 
Dave Richard‏Verified account @daverichard 5m5 minutes ago

Talking on @SiriusXMNFL, agent @AdisaBakari wouldn't commit to Le'Veon Bell showing up on any specific date. He did say Le'Veon has "every intention to make this the best statistical season of his career."
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Adis Bakari is Bell's agent - so judging by the second part of his statement it looks like a holdout is not in the cards.

 
TheWinz said:
As a Conner owner (and not Bell), I have read every post in this thread for the last few days.  I am just a FF'er and not a contract lawyer, nor do I claim to know what Bell is thinking.  At this point, all I want to know is when Bell shows up.  And for every day he doesn't show, I get that much happier.  I have learned far too much about the CBA in the last 48 hours.  The only meaningful post to me over the last 24 hours is that he missed today's meeting.
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IMO, Bell is not thinking, his agent is doing it for him.

 
Bell was value to me in my auction last night so I took him without really targeting him prior.  Now the risks seems exponentially worse by the day, tho maybe I just havent been paying attention.  Guess I'm somewhat addicted to high risk/reward and perceived value which is how you end up owning Zeke in redrafts last year.  And I didnt pony up for Connor later.  Terrible choices...

Sign and play.  Yes, please.

 
I heard this all over talk radio yesterday and it makes a ton of sense - if he doesn't play week #1 (which to me means reporting by now so he could play week #1) why would he report before week #12?  He should either play the season or hold out as long as possible.  Holding out for 5 games (or whatever) really doesn't make too much sense to me.

 
Steeler said:
I heard this all over talk radio yesterday and it makes a ton of sense - if he doesn't play week #1 (which to me means reporting by now so he could play week #1) why would he report before week #12?  He should either play the season or hold out as long as possible.  Holding out for 5 games (or whatever) really doesn't make too much sense to me.
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he would need to sign by week 11, needs 6 games to have this year count and be a free agent next year

 
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Steelers’ QB Ben Roethlisberger said he is proceeding as if James Conner will be Pittsburgh’s starting RB Sunday at Cleveland. Wise move. If we haven’t seen Bell by now, why would we see him the rest of this week?

- Schefter

 
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gethugefast1 said:
he would need to sign by week 11, needs 6 games to have this year count and be a free agent next year
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If it got to week 10, they should revoke the franchise tag at that time and say kiss it. He will sign huge deal next year and will either get hurt, suspended or be huge disappointment. Bank on it.

 
irish eyes said:
If it got to week 10, they should revoke the franchise tag at that time and say kiss it. He will sign huge deal next year and will either get hurt, suspended or be huge disappointment. Bank on it.
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They are not going to revoke the franchise tag no matter how much you want them to do that --- lol

 
I have to say that it looks like I was wrong about this and Bell may indeed hold out for one game at least.   I think he is making a mistake not getting the $14.5 million guaranteed this season but it certainly is his right to hold out most of the season in the pursuit of a big contract next year.

I am thinking the Steelers may indeed revoke the tag if Bell's hold out extends beyond the first month of the season.  If Bell is that concerned about taking hits then you have to wonder what kind of a back and team player he will be (i.e. will he fake an injury to limit playing time) when he eventually does sign.

If I were the Steelers I would be trying to work the phones to see which teams might be interested in Bell and give permission to contact his agent to discuss a possible long term deal.  

 
Steeler said:
I heard this all over talk radio yesterday and it makes a ton of sense - if he doesn't play week #1 (which to me means reporting by now so he could play week #1) why would he report before week #12?  He should either play the season or hold out as long as possible.  Holding out for 5 games (or whatever) really doesn't make too much sense to me.
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Was kinda thinking the same thing.  If he doesn't report to week 1, he's cost himself $900k for some reason in his mind.  If he's in it for that, why report week 2?

 
Godsbrother said:
I have to say that it looks like I was wrong about this and Bell may indeed hold out for one game at least.   I think he is making a mistake not getting the $14.5 million guaranteed this season but it certainly is his right to hold out most of the season in the pursuit of a big contract next year.

I am thinking the Steelers may indeed revoke the tag if Bell's hold out extends beyond the first month of the season.  If Bell is that concerned about taking hits then you have to wonder what kind of a back and team player he will be (i.e. will he fake an injury to limit playing time) when he eventually does sign.

If I were the Steelers I would be trying to work the phones to see which teams might be interested in Bell and give permission to contact his agent to discuss a possible long term deal.  
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The deadline to agree on a long term deal passed in July.

 
Also, say he reports week 10 or 11 or whatever to get his 6 games....but then gets hurt week 14 and spends the next few weeks on the IR.  Does that count as a season contractually?

 
matttyl said:
Also, say he reports week 10 or 11 or whatever to get his 6 games....but then gets hurt week 14 and spends the next few weeks on the IR.  Does that count as a season contractually?
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yes; imo, the friction between bell and his agent and pitt  front office, if and when he signs, would not doubt the old hammy issue occurs on the first play back

 
davearm said:
The deadline to agree on a long term deal passed in July.
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With the Steelers yes but once he signs his tender the Steelers can trade Bell.  At that point another team can sign him to a new long term deal.    Of course that would require a team put up at least a Gurly-sized contract and for Bell to agree to take it.  Unlikely but worth trying if I am the Steelers

 
Godsbrother said:
With the Steelers yes but once he signs his tender the Steelers can trade Bell.  At that point another team can sign him to a new long term deal.    Of course that would require a team put up at least a Gurly-sized contract and for Bell to agree to take it.  Unlikely but worth trying if I am the Steelers
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I don't think that's correct.  Once he signs the tender, they can trade him, but he is still under the franchise tag contract.  And the team and a player under the franchise tag can't discuss a new deal until after the season is over.  That's why Pitt couldn't work on a new deal with him after he signed his tender this year, either.

 
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Oh no - this doesn't look good.  Basically Bell's agent saying they don't want the Steelers to run Bell into the ground this year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/leveon-bells-agent-explains-why-steelers-rb-is-holding-out-how-much-time-he-might-miss/
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Yep, was just coming here to post same thing, this just got a whole other level concerning.

Kind of hard to swallow a guy getting paid more then any RB in the game by a healthy margin dictating his playing time demands. I'm starting to hear stuff like his teammates support for him could wane if he misses games. How about missing games and trying to make demands to not be used to much? I don't think that will play well.

 
OK, trying to game this out: As I understand it, there is nothing that can be done with his contract, so the three options are:

  1. Report to camp and play under the franchise tag
  2. Sit out up to 10 games, then play out the string and become a free agent
  3. Force a trade to a team that will sign him to a long-term deal
It sounds like he's threatening 2 to get 3. Which is kind of scary since there's nothing the Steelers can do to mollify him other than trade him.

 
matttyl said:
Ok, so then what stops him from signing tender and faking injury all year?  He'd still get his money in that case, and a accrue a season - with (nearly) no injury risk
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Nothing.  I discussed it during the summer (after the July deadline), and got ripped up and down on these boards by Steeler fans.  To be fair, I was discussing it not as "faking" an injury, but more like milking it:  dings his ankle, hammy, shoulder, etc & refuse to play until HE FEELS like he's 100%.

I was told it was impossible, and that I didn't understand football players, etc.  When I responded that IF this were to happen, it'd be a BUSINESS decision, not a FOOTBALL decision, they continued to insist it was impossible.

 
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