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RB Najee Harris, LAC (2 Viewers)

Najee and Stafford are two players right now whose workout/rehab sounds what I'd expect I'd be shooting for when I'm in my 70's. Seems less then ideal way to get ready for a season about a month away.
Seriously - I’m picturing Najee with the walker with tennis balls on the legs.
 
Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh said, “there’s a chance” Najee Harris (eye) is unable to play in Week 1 against the Chiefs.
Harbaugh refused to elaborate beyond confirming that Harris can indeed “open” his eye. That’s a low bar. Advising fantasy managers on Harris’ re-draft value is difficult. The Chargers are being tight-lipped regarding the actual damage Harris’ eye suffered. Avoiding players who are already injured, while losing their job to an exciting rookie, is generally a good idea, though.

Really? Harbaugh says there's a chance a 1-eyed RB won't be ready? When a player is healthy, that news always finds a way to the public. It's injuries like this that are lied about.
 
Great, he's been upgraded to holding a football, jogging, and opening his eye, but only off to the side at practice. How bad does an eye have to be to make a professional athlete not be able to even jog for 5 weeks after the injury? I'm having weird thoughts here, "And the handoff goes to Najee. He finds a crease and, wait, his eye just fell out."
 
bottom has fallen out - likely for good reason - but i just grabbed him for pretty cheap with missing 1st 4 games baked in.

Assuming he can eventually play hes a great value in that O - if not its not a huge loss at this point
 
bottom has fallen out - likely for good reason - but i just grabbed him for pretty cheap with missing 1st 4 games baked in.

Assuming he can eventually play hes a great value in that O - if not its not a huge loss at this point

I doubt he will be startable for fantasy purposes all year unless Hampton gets hurt. He will probably miss at least the first 4 games and then will probably be eased into the RB2 role whenever he returns, since Hampton will likely already be operating as RB1. Heck, Harris might not be able to pass Rocket Sanders on the depth chart.
 
bottom has fallen out - likely for good reason - but i just grabbed him for pretty cheap with missing 1st 4 games baked in.

Assuming he can eventually play hes a great value in that O - if not its not a huge loss at this point

I doubt he will be startable for fantasy purposes all year unless Hampton gets hurt. He will probably miss at least the first 4 games and then will probably be eased into the RB2 role whenever he returns, since Hampton will likely already be operating as RB1. Heck, Harris might not be able to pass Rocket Sanders on the depth chart.
Im pretty confident he'll be the #2 RB when healthy enough to play - and with that Charger running O there should be plenty of carries to go around for Najee to be a bye week stopgap if needed down stretch - you could do a lot worse with a late flyer
 
bottom has fallen out - likely for good reason - but i just grabbed him for pretty cheap with missing 1st 4 games baked in.

Assuming he can eventually play hes a great value in that O - if not its not a huge loss at this point

I doubt he will be startable for fantasy purposes all year unless Hampton gets hurt. He will probably miss at least the first 4 games and then will probably be eased into the RB2 role whenever he returns, since Hampton will likely already be operating as RB1. Heck, Harris might not be able to pass Rocket Sanders on the depth chart.
Yeah. I agree here.

I think minus the eye injury, it was going to be a 1A, 1B. Now Hampton has had the backfield to himself all of camp and had a chance to show what he can. He'll give games without Najee and establish himself.

There was a time I thought Hampton was way over drafted and owners were going to be let down. Hampton is an active target now given how the situation has unfolded.
 
What the Chargers should seriously consider is to release Harris. Due to the nature of his injury (not football), they could get out of his contract to preserve the cap space, and then he would not count in the comp pick formula, meaning they would either get an additional pick or a pick would move to an earlier round.

They have Hampton at RB1 and Sanders and Hines at RB2/RB3. That’s fine, barring injury.

Having written all that, I assume the Chargers won’t do it.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
 
He's also a vet that didnt need a ton of preseason action. I'm taking the news as it says...he may or may not be ready for week 1 but it wont be a long term problem. Drafting him in the 12th or 13th round (where I just got him in one redraft) is all upside.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?
 
Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?
As I’d mentioned in another topic, eye injury recovery = no physical exertion.

There’s just no way Najee is in football shape. Can’t lift weights, can’t run. Hard to stay in shape when you have the lifestyle of a potato.

Maybe he’ll shock the world and be ready for week 1. I won’t hold my breath.

Hampton to the moon 🚀 🌙
 
He's also a vet that didnt need a ton of preseason action. I'm taking the news as it says...he may or may not be ready for week 1 but it wont be a long term problem. Drafting him in the 12th or 13th round (where I just got him in one redraft) is all upside.
Who says it won't be a long term problem?
Here's what we do know - he'll be ready to play when he's ready to play. That could be week 1, week 4, or literally never again.

A snippet from that article - The only image of his eye is a picture posted to his Snapchat account on Aug. 6, where Harris' right eye appears to be closed shut.

Yes, if I draft Hampton, I still want to take Najee, but I'm afraid it's like buying homeowner's insurance that I never use.
 
It wouldn't shock me if Najee never plays again. But there is hope - Wesley Walker was born without vision in his left eye, and he had a long career.
 
It wouldn't shock me if Najee never plays again. But there is hope - Wesley Walker was born without vision in his left eye, and he had a long career.
Tom Dempsey had half a foot and was one of the best kickers in the NFL. He had the record for a 63 yarder.

But yeah, I think l Najee is toast.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
There’s nothing contradictory about it, really. He expects him not to be ready and for them to lie about it while making obvious moves that contradict their lying.

That sounds like the NFL. Hell that sounds like a lot of things these days.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
There’s nothing contradictory about it, really. He expects him not to be ready and for them to lie about it while making obvious moves that contradict their lying.

That sounds like the NFL. Hell that sounds like a lot of things these days.

What obvious moves? The last time they added a RB was July 22nd. Winz clearly stated that he was wondering why they weren’t making moves as part of his pondering.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
There’s nothing contradictory about it, really. He expects him not to be ready and for them to lie about it while making obvious moves that contradict their lying.

That sounds like the NFL. Hell that sounds like a lot of things these days.

What obvious moves? The last time they added a RB was July 22nd. Winz clearly stated that he was wondering why they weren’t making moves as part of his pondering.
The moves you’d make if Winz’s premise is true. There’s nothing contradictory about his position. You might disagree about what the Chargers are doing because you maintain they’re not lying but he makes perfect sense.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
There’s nothing contradictory about it, really. He expects him not to be ready and for them to lie about it while making obvious moves that contradict their lying.

That sounds like the NFL. Hell that sounds like a lot of things these days.

What obvious moves? The last time they added a RB was July 22nd. Winz clearly stated that he was wondering why they weren’t making moves as part of his pondering.
The moves you’d make if Winz’s premise is true. There’s nothing contradictory about his position. You might disagree about what the Chargers are doing because you maintain they’re not lying but he makes perfect sense.

So just to be clear, we are to be certain that they are lying about all these moves at RB that they are making when we have not seen them make any moves at RB in over a month.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
There’s nothing contradictory about it, really. He expects him not to be ready and for them to lie about it while making obvious moves that contradict their lying.

That sounds like the NFL. Hell that sounds like a lot of things these days.

What obvious moves? The last time they added a RB was July 22nd. Winz clearly stated that he was wondering why they weren’t making moves as part of his pondering.
The moves you’d make if Winz’s premise is true. There’s nothing contradictory about his position. You might disagree about what the Chargers are doing because you maintain they’re not lying but he makes perfect sense.

So just to be clear, we are to be certain that they are lying about all these moves at RB that they are making when we have not seen them make any moves at RB in over a month.

I think you’re missing the premise and conclusion entirely. Would you like me to clear it up?
 
By the way, I distinctly remember how you restate arguments that are very easy to understand incorrectly and then get indignant. We don’t have that today do we? I’m on my phone and it’s my day of birth. I don’t want to be hacking out basic if then arguments
 
He’s saying they’re lying. Eventually that bill is coming due so stop the charade and get somebody ready.

I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
There’s nothing contradictory about it, really. He expects him not to be ready and for them to lie about it while making obvious moves that contradict their lying.

That sounds like the NFL. Hell that sounds like a lot of things these days.

What obvious moves? The last time they added a RB was July 22nd. Winz clearly stated that he was wondering why they weren’t making moves as part of his pondering.
The moves you’d make if Winz’s premise is true. There’s nothing contradictory about his position. You might disagree about what the Chargers are doing because you maintain they’re not lying but he makes perfect sense.

So just to be clear, we are to be certain that they are lying about all these moves at RB that they are making when we have not seen them make any moves at RB in over a month.

I think you’re missing the premise and conclusion entirely. Would you like me to clear it up?

No thanks. I’m capable of reading. You can go ahead and be condescending in another thread.
 
The Chargers are lying about Najee
They’re going to need a replacement for him because they’re lying regardless of whether or not anyone believes them

So get the guy ready who will have to replace him because you’re going to have to regardless!
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
There’s nothing contradictory about it, really. He expects him not to be ready and for them to lie about it while making obvious moves that contradict their lying.

That sounds like the NFL. Hell that sounds like a lot of things these days.

What obvious moves? The last time they added a RB was July 22nd. Winz clearly stated that he was wondering why they weren’t making moves as part of his pondering.
Yeah, I'm baffled. I don't think Najee is anywhere close to a return, while at the same time we haven't seen movement at the RB position. Possible reasons:
- I am completely wrong. Najee is in great shape and ready to go.
- I am completely right. Najee is toast and LAC is content with the scrubs behind Omarion.
- LAC is secretly looking for another RB.
 
I don't believe this for one second. But I'm wondering - if Najee's eye is as bad as I'm thinking, why hasn't LAC made a move? Does everyone just slide on up the depth chart?

Doesn’t your post seem logically adversarial to you? You don’t believe he’ll be ready but you wonder why they aren’t seeking additional help to fill the hole he leaves if he isn’t ready.

Maybe they aren’t seeking help because he is ready or close to being ready?
I know I sound stupid and that's fine. It's why I worded it that way. On one hand, I think Najee's eye is serious to the point where he may lose peripheral vision. Harbaugh basically said he'll be ready when he's ready, which means nothing. Now the GM is hopeful he will play week 1 and is calling him ready? I'm not buying it. And he isn't practicing with the team. Working off to the side isn't practice - it's rehab. And how do you rehab an eye?

I would never say you sound stupid. I was just wondering if you considered how potentially oppositional the two positions were.
There’s nothing contradictory about it, really. He expects him not to be ready and for them to lie about it while making obvious moves that contradict their lying.

That sounds like the NFL. Hell that sounds like a lot of things these days.

What obvious moves? The last time they added a RB was July 22nd. Winz clearly stated that he was wondering why they weren’t making moves as part of his pondering.
Yeah, I'm baffled. I don't think Najee is anywhere close to a return, while at the same time we haven't seen movement at the RB position. Possible reasons:
- I am completely wrong. Najee is in great shape and ready to go.
- I am completely right. Najee is toast and LAC is content with the scrubs behind Omarion.
- LAC is secretly looking for another RB.

I’m not sure the situation may be as binary as your first two options would indicate. The regular season is two weeks away. A seasoned vet used to the rigors of the NFL could very well be capable of a modified workload in week 1 and ramp up from there.

If his eye is healed sufficiently, of course.
 
A seasoned vet used to the rigors of the NFL could very well be capable of a modified workload in week 1 and ramp up from there.

If his eye is healed sufficiently, of course.
There are very strict limitations for ocular injuries. No strenuous activity. None. Any strain increases pressure which can disrupt healing.

I’m not an optometrist but I did have cataract surgery & the 5 pages of “do not do’s” + 10 lb weight lift limit were extremely clear. I’ve read some of the sports medicine guys on socials comment on this & confirm that he’s not able to work out at all.

So that’s what, 7 weeks without running or lifting? No agility drills, no endurance exercises? Hard to imagine anyone popping in & getting a workload in NFL games ~2 weeks later.
 
it’s my day of birth
Happy birthday old friend. :hifive:

By the way, I distinctly remember how you restate arguments that are very easy to understand incorrectly and then get indignant. We don’t have that today do we? I’m on my phone and it’s my day of birth. I don’t want to be hacking out basic if then arguments
Happy birthday! 🥳

Thank you to both of you! I don’t know why I said that. I’m still in bed and tired. Pardon me, please. But thanks! I appreciate it!
 
It wouldn't shock me if Najee never plays again. But there is hope - Wesley Walker was born without vision in his left eye, and he had a long career.
Tom Dempsey had half a foot and was one of the best kickers in the NFL. He had the record for a 63 yarder.

But yeah, I think l Najee is toast.

He was also kicking with, like, an iron shoe. Not sure he was kicking one-eye or not.

Naj runs like he's wearing iron shoes most of the time tho, so maybe youre on to something.
 

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