RB RJ Harvey, DEN (2 Viewers)

[SayWhat?]

Not the regular season but starters played plenty. Would have hoped for a better stat line. Sutton found a way.

Agreed. Engram is cooked too this year. Zero catches. Looking like the only viable fantasy options are Nix and Sutton.

 

[Soulfly3]

I'm buying, just so I can cut him to the waivers

 

[Bri]

I consistently saw contrary reports on this board favorite and have no shares.
I have a couple Dobbins though

 

[creepythinman]

As we are deciding on Week 1 Starts/Sits, went and reviewed the preseason. Is there a chance we are overestimating J.K. Dobbins?

The Denver first team offense played a total of 41 snaps. Dobbins played a total of 5 snaps out of the 41 (only on 3rd down) and never received a single hand off from Bo Nix. Why? You might say he was being "saved." But how does that make sense? Why risk throwing Nix, Sutton, and Engram (a similar veteran FA signing) snap after snap but not Dobbins? Dobbins has the shortest amount of time in the building and with the playbook but the staff decide to not give Dobbins a single carry in a brand new run scheme for him with the starters?

Is there a chance that Dobbins has 0 juice left and the Broncos FO have realized they made a gigantic mistake when they guaranteed Dobbins $2 million are just trying to save face by not cutting him immediately?

Is there a chance Harvey immediately walks into 60% to 70% of the snaps?

 

[Stoneworker]

As we are deciding on Week 1 Starts/Sits, went and reviewed the preseason. Is there a chance we are overestimating J.K. Dobbins?

The Denver first team offense played a total of 41 snaps. Dobbins played a total of 5 snaps out of the 41 (only on 3rd down) and never received a single hand off from Bo Nix. Why? You might say he was being "saved." But how does that make sense? Why risk throwing Nix, Sutton, and Engram (a similar veteran FA signing) snap after snap but not Dobbins? Dobbins has the shortest amount of time in the building and with the playbook but the staff decide to not give Dobbins a single carry in a brand new run scheme for him with the starters?

Is there a chance that Dobbins has 0 juice left and the Broncos FO have realized they made a gigantic mistake when they guaranteed Dobbins $2 million are just trying to save face by not cutting him immediately?

Is there a chance Harvey immediately walks into 60% to 70% of the snaps?

Doubtful IMO

It makes total sense that Dobbins was being saved for the regular season given his recent injury history and established veteran tape. Also, Dobbins did run with the 1's during both joint practices with the Cardinals and 49ers. Payton was quoted as saying how those reps were just as valuable as the preseason game reps

Payton did very similar things on the defensive side of the ball with starting inside linebackers Alex Singleton and Dre Greenlaw. Neither got a single snap during the preseason even though each practiced the week before the last preseason game.

As far as the first team offense, they looked sluggish and out of synch up until the final drive of the third preseason game. That is why Nix and Sutton and the O-line played so much

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As we are deciding on Week 1 Starts/Sits, went and reviewed the preseason. Is there a chance we are overestimating J.K. Dobbins?

The Denver first team offense played a total of 41 snaps. Dobbins played a total of 5 snaps out of the 41 (only on 3rd down) and never received a single hand off from Bo Nix. Why? You might say he was being "saved." But how does that make sense? Why risk throwing Nix, Sutton, and Engram (a similar veteran FA signing) snap after snap but not Dobbins? Dobbins has the shortest amount of time in the building and with the playbook but the staff decide to not give Dobbins a single carry in a brand new run scheme for him with the starters?

Is there a chance that Dobbins has 0 juice left and the Broncos FO have realized they made a gigantic mistake when they guaranteed Dobbins $2 million are just trying to save face by not cutting him immediately?

Is there a chance Harvey immediately walks into 60% to 70% of the snaps?

Doubtful IMO

It makes total sense that Dobbins was being saved for the regular season given his recent injury history and established veteran tape. Also, Dobbins did run with the 1's during both joint practices with the Cardinals and 49ers. Payton was quoted as saying how those reps were just as valuable as the preseason game reps

Payton did very similar things on the defensive side of the ball with starting inside linebackers Alex Singleton and Dre Greenlaw. Neither got a single snap during the preseason even though each practiced the week before the last preseason game.

As far as the first team offense, they looked sluggish and out of synch up until the final drive of the third preseason game. That is why Nix and Sutton and the O-line played so much

-The two of you could not be more opposite on your view of this
Should be interesting as the first 2-3-4 weeks unfold.

 

[Stoneworker]

As we are deciding on Week 1 Starts/Sits, went and reviewed the preseason. Is there a chance we are overestimating J.K. Dobbins?

The Denver first team offense played a total of 41 snaps. Dobbins played a total of 5 snaps out of the 41 (only on 3rd down) and never received a single hand off from Bo Nix. Why? You might say he was being "saved." But how does that make sense? Why risk throwing Nix, Sutton, and Engram (a similar veteran FA signing) snap after snap but not Dobbins? Dobbins has the shortest amount of time in the building and with the playbook but the staff decide to not give Dobbins a single carry in a brand new run scheme for him with the starters?

Is there a chance that Dobbins has 0 juice left and the Broncos FO have realized they made a gigantic mistake when they guaranteed Dobbins $2 million are just trying to save face by not cutting him immediately?

Is there a chance Harvey immediately walks into 60% to 70% of the snaps?

Doubtful IMO

It makes total sense that Dobbins was being saved for the regular season given his recent injury history and established veteran tape. Also, Dobbins did run with the 1's during both joint practices with the Cardinals and 49ers. Payton was quoted as saying how those reps were just as valuable as the preseason game reps

Payton did very similar things on the defensive side of the ball with starting inside linebackers Alex Singleton and Dre Greenlaw. Neither got a single snap during the preseason even though each practiced the week before the last preseason game.

As far as the first team offense, they looked sluggish and out of synch up until the final drive of the third preseason game. That is why Nix and Sutton and the O-line played so much

-The two of you could not be more opposite on your view of this
Should be interesting as the first 2-3-4 weeks unfold.

Not really. I just don't think we should read too much into Dobbins' lack of preseason game action and therefore Harvey getting 60-70% snap share

There's very little evidence to suggest this is going to be anything other than a near 50/50 JK/RJ split with some Badie/McLaughlin thrown in on 3rd and longs

Initially, at least.

 

[rockaction]

As we are deciding on Week 1 Starts/Sits, went and reviewed the preseason. Is there a chance we are overestimating J.K. Dobbins?

The Denver first team offense played a total of 41 snaps. Dobbins played a total of 5 snaps out of the 41 (only on 3rd down) and never received a single hand off from Bo Nix. Why? You might say he was being "saved." But how does that make sense? Why risk throwing Nix, Sutton, and Engram (a similar veteran FA signing) snap after snap but not Dobbins? Dobbins has the shortest amount of time in the building and with the playbook but the staff decide to not give Dobbins a single carry in a brand new run scheme for him with the starters?

Is there a chance that Dobbins has 0 juice left and the Broncos FO have realized they made a gigantic mistake when they guaranteed Dobbins $2 million are just trying to save face by not cutting him immediately?

Is there a chance Harvey immediately walks into 60% to 70% of the snaps?

Doubtful IMO

It makes total sense that Dobbins was being saved for the regular season given his recent injury history and established veteran tape. Also, Dobbins did run with the 1's during both joint practices with the Cardinals and 49ers. Payton was quoted as saying how those reps were just as valuable as the preseason game reps

Payton did very similar things on the defensive side of the ball with starting inside linebackers Alex Singleton and Dre Greenlaw. Neither got a single snap during the preseason even though each practiced the week before the last preseason game.

As far as the first team offense, they looked sluggish and out of synch up until the final drive of the third preseason game. That is why Nix and Sutton and the O-line played so much

-The two of you could not be more opposite on your view of this
Should be interesting as the first 2-3-4 weeks unfold.

Your framing of their positions makes it sound like they're hotly debatable. I think Stoneworker is using Occam's razor while the other person is using a low probability theory. Now, creepythinman's postulation isn't impossible, and people have specifically warned against reading into Sean Payton's preseason because he does things to trick people, but Stoneworker is both a homer and also using better logic and following the bread crumbs in a more likely direction.

I don't really even think it's close and the way you sort of moderated it makes it seem like a point/counterpoint sort of situation when, if I may use a metaphor, it's akin to one guy having a nuclear weapon and the other guy having a nerf dart gun. You know what I mean? They're not of equal weight.

 

[Soulfly3]

Is there a chance that Dobbins has 0 juice left and the Broncos FO have realized they made a gigantic mistake when they guaranteed Dobbins $2 million are just trying to save face by not cutting him immediately?

Is there a chance Harvey immediately walks into 60% to 70% of the snaps?

No doubt his 3.6ypc in preseason has them thinking they drafted the next MJD.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Still pretty bullish on Harvey and think by Week 5-6 he should be established as one of their playmakers or catch a lot of balls like he did in college and his head coach enjoys exploiting the RBs
I'm talking as a playmaker catching balls from Bo Nix

-You don't have to be the biggest fan or rave about how good or bad you think RJ Harvey is
It's not unreasonable that he is put in a position for about 10 carries a game and anywhere from 2-3-4+ catches a week once he gets rolling. TDs might be hard to predict and I'm not expecting him to take on the role of thumper inside the 5-10 yd line but he did score a lot the last 2 years in college, this is the NFL which is much harder but he's not new to being featured or touching the ball a lot. I'll adjust my projections just a tad

160-180 carries and he has a decent OL, 800-900 rush yds if he's worth his salt
50 catches, 400 yds

1,200 total yds, 50+ receptions which helps a lot in PPR
5-6+ TDs unreasonable?
Denver RBs have caught over 200 passes in the last 2 years, he's being projected in the 15-20 range from a lot of sites, my numbers would come in under those expectations
That said, I think Harvey could do a lot more than what I listed.
What if he ends up with 70+ catches and closer to 1,500 yds of offense? Push the TDs up to 8-9 vs 5-6 and you can see how much further up the pole he can go

I like the upside and I believe he is worth a roll of the dice where he's being drafted towards the end of the 5th round in 12 teams and closer to the Mid 6th in 10 team formats
He's not that cheap but you likely are not taking him as your RB1, he can be a strong RB2 prospect or part of a RB2/3 platoon that many start assembling around the 6th and beyond to try and fill up flex positions as well. Harvey works in most redraft game plans, will he actually execute and produce the numbers many are anticipating? Your choice what you want to believe

This was mid July, not much has changed IMO

 

[rockaction]

Still pretty bullish on Harvey and think by Week 5-6 he should be established as one of their playmakers or catch a lot of balls like he did in college and his head coach enjoys exploiting the RBs
I'm talking as a playmaker catching balls from Bo Nix

-You don't have to be the biggest fan or rave about how good or bad you think RJ Harvey is
It's not unreasonable that he is put in a position for about 10 carries a game and anywhere from 2-3-4+ catches a week once he gets rolling. TDs might be hard to predict and I'm not expecting him to take on the role of thumper inside the 5-10 yd line but he did score a lot the last 2 years in college, this is the NFL which is much harder but he's not new to being featured or touching the ball a lot. I'll adjust my projections just a tad

160-180 carries and he has a decent OL, 800-900 rush yds if he's worth his salt
50 catches, 400 yds

1,200 total yds, 50+ receptions which helps a lot in PPR
5-6+ TDs unreasonable?
Denver RBs have caught over 200 passes in the last 2 years, he's being projected in the 15-20 range from a lot of sites, my numbers would come in under those expectations
That said, I think Harvey could do a lot more than what I listed.
What if he ends up with 70+ catches and closer to 1,500 yds of offense? Push the TDs up to 8-9 vs 5-6 and you can see how much further up the pole he can go

I like the upside and I believe he is worth a roll of the dice where he's being drafted towards the end of the 5th round in 12 teams and closer to the Mid 6th in 10 team formats
He's not that cheap but you likely are not taking him as your RB1, he can be a strong RB2 prospect or part of a RB2/3 platoon that many start assembling around the 6th and beyond to try and fill up flex positions as well. Harvey works in most redraft game plans, will he actually execute and produce the numbers many are anticipating? Your choice what you want to believe

This was mid July, not much has changed IMO

Never been in on this guy and still don't get it. There are guys that that Payton could have had that would have won the job already, but instead the plum spots in Dallas and Denver are seeing former wunderkinds that have reconstructed ACLs and/or achilles running the football . . . very slowly.