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That's fair, but I already own him in a couple spots. That's enough. I don't want to buy anymore shares. I skipped him for Kerryon in a more recent rookie draft and feel good about that.
Completely. And I don't feel like I'm panicking if I just come out and accept that *I* lost out on this pick. If I were doing the same drafts today I would definitely take a couple of the WRs before him and both Freeman and KJ.
This is the thing - he's always seemed like one of the riskier picks based on his skill set and college profile (reason to doubt about how he can translate to the NFL) but was pumped up somewhat due to landing spot and draft capital. Now that we are already seeing the downside/red flags, you have to wonder whether he's even worth a first round pick. I know he has his supporters but for me, he's always been the shakiest of the RB prospects and way behind a few of the WRs in terms of what I want in a young dynasty asset. I just don't really see the upside with RoJo. I don't own him anywhere but if I did, I'd be waiting for some good news and shopping immediately. I just don't think he has what it takes to succeed in the NFL longer-term. Only one opinion of course, but I see him as a massive dynasty risk, considering who else you can take in the same area of drafts.
I tried to make an offer for him in one of my leagues. Owner isn't selling. Nobody with a brain is going to sell him cheap this early in his career. He just turned 21 and it's 2 games into preseason.
The thing is that you don't know that it's selling cheap - I mean I don't know either, we're all guessing. But any buy low or hold sentiment is assuming that he's going to turn out to be a good, productive NFL RB. It might happen, but it's no guarantee. I wouldn't view selling RoJo as "panicking" necessarily - it might be perfectly reasonable to adjust his value, even 2 games into preseason. Remember, we have heard basically nothing positive about him all offseason - not even puffy camp blurbs.
True, but at least he's shown he can play in the NFL. I don't see any reason why he should be ranked below RoJo in dynasty.
It’s not like I’ve closed the book on him. I’m still contemplating him at 1.3 in my dyno rookie draft. I’m just acknowledging that it doesn’t look good rt now.
Remember that the market follows these information flows rather dramatically at times, especially early in a player's career. If you want to be better than the free market projecting when they're over reacting is a good way to get ahead.
But the truth is that with rojo it’s definitely tougher to predict whether it’s a true overreaction or if he really will be a bust at the nfl level. He had some comps to jamaal Charles BC of his weight and running style. But the big difference is Charles was a prolific pass catcher and great at pass pro.
It goes both ways. The Patterson and Treadwell and Richardson owners were crying “patience” and “overreaction!” all the way down.
Not everyone develops the same and you're never going to bat 1.000. Is his stock down? Sure. Is it time for a panic sell? No. If you think you made a mistake then hope for a rebound at some point then move on. Continuing to crater with no end in sight is uncommon. And even if it does? You're return isn't going to be much different vs the panic sell approach.
That’s fair. He’s certainly worth a good deal less to me than he was a couple months ago, however. I’d take just about any future 1st and would add to him for Johnson, Freeman, or Guice. I don’t know if you’d consider that panic selling, but I think we have some sizable new datapoints to account for - and they’re not good.
Never say never, but I'd be blown away if anyone offered a future 1 for him right now or would be willing to sacrifice one of the other rookie backs to get him plus something else. If I peddled him out there in my idp's right now I wouldn't expect a 2; maybe a 3. I dealt Treadwell + a 5 for a 3 earlier this summer, so that maybe helps explain where I'm coming from. Sure, the Treadwell route is in the range of outcomes but so is Curtis Samuel (trending up), Devonta Freeman (year 2), and Devin Funchess (year 3). And if RoJo continues down the negative path and doesn't come back up my return a year or two from now may be comparable to if I were to test the market now.
I can understand Royce and Johnson as they should get work this year. Their value could go up no matter how well they do. It's looking like Jones might not play much, which would mean you'll probably only salvage a 2nd for him next off season.
I’d bet on Guice having the better career, which is why I’d make the swap.
Fair enough. But i don't know about questioning the career prospect of a rb for poor pass pro in his first training camp. Unless I'm missing something.
I cannot believe the reaction to some in this thread. One cannot conclude anything so far about Jones and to do so is a big mistake.
Oof, that is not a good comment coming from your position coach. Luckily I can put Jones on my practice squad in my dynasty league.
...and I was worried I'd feel the pressure to promote him and the only justifiable cut would be Ty Montgomery
Funny, I was trying to make it easy for you guys to read without clicking. goes to show you.
I don’t know that anyone has done that. I certainly haven’t.cloppbeast said:
I've mentioned that I understand moving Johnson and Royce ahead of him now. I didn't feel that way in May. I liked Jones II a lot because the prospect of immediate production. A rookie blows up like a tick after a good year, or deflates like a balloon if he doesn't play at all. But I'm not jumping off the wagon, I'll probably buy next May for a mid-late second. I'm just not concerned about his career prospects. To me, he hasn't looked good or bad carrying the ball. This is the only important thing to consider. And he's only had 10 carries, not even enough to say one way or the other. I can disregard his struggles catching the ball and pass pro because these things he didn't do (well) in college in the first place, and he's young and can improve. Why would someone expect him to do these things well immediately in the NFL when he didn't do them well in college?
Ok.MAC_32 said:
Sure, any struggle or weakness you expected and built into his price shouldn't be held against him now. That will vary person to person, however. For example, again, I viewed his hands as a question mark at one point and now see them as a firm negative. I also expected him to have more than handcuff value week 1 and I don't think he does.
Or they could cut him and think he’ll have the loyalty to stay on the P.S. with them after strictly judging him for learned traits.
They should. At least they'd see what they have. The Bucs are run terribly. They should have taken a kicker instead.
