FarFromHome
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I stand by my professional scouting opinion from last year. He just isn't that guy. Imo
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RB Roschon Johnson, CHI (2 Viewers)
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Roschon's not been playing because he was hurt and and just got back to practice a few days ago. Bottom line is him not suiting up is probably health related.
Swift not suiting is not health related but rather an outstanding sign of his role. It's not the same thing as the WR's needing to get on the same page as Caleb or needing the starting OL to play and protect him.
Swift not suiting is not health related but rather an outstanding sign of his role. It's not the same thing as the WR's needing to get on the same page as Caleb or needing the starting OL to play and protect him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hard to find anything on him being hurt. Yahoo doesn’t have a note on him about an injury. Searched Twitter and see 1 or 2 mentions but nothing an official account covering fantasy or the Bears.
Multiple practice reports have had him out of practice. Just got back to practice on August 14th. Can't recall exactly how long he'd been out, I think since the HOF game. Since he just returned to practice I think it's a safe assumption they did not think he was quite ready for live contact.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Thanks do you know what the injury was/is?
No I don’t, just that the reports kept saying he was not at practice or working to the side, on a bike, etc.
Saw some speculation he was just all around banged up, which sounds more like a later in the year situation. Maybe, don’t know and whatever it was it was nothing anyone seemed to press the Bears on to get an answer.
Returned to full practice on Aug 14th, but don’t know his participation levels, just that he was back in full pads
rockaction
Footballguy
Will be a priority add this week, although I wonder if CHI will bench bum Swift since they paid him $.
zamboni
Footballguy
Roschon didn't exactly light it up, so unless a lot of fantasy pundits start touting him, he might slip through the cracks in waivers.
As for Swift's contract, I don't think it's a huge amount of money to factor into reducing his workload.
Max Power
Footballguy
He's their Goal Line back for some reason. I can't figure out what they are trying to do with him this year. Should have traded him at this point.
zamboni
Footballguy
I was hoping he would have gone to the Cowboys but that was just wish-casting on my part.
Chaka
Footballguy
Roshon got more usage on the first drive than Swift. Not sure why he was inactive previously but it seems that he was immediately more of a factor than Herbert has been all season.
Chaka
Footballguy
After Henry ran all over them and Jerry had to answer questions about the run game post game yesterday I would imagine the Cowboys are at the top of the list for teams likely to trade for a RB at this point.
Max Power
Footballguy
Chicago RB stats
Swift 37 carries for 68 yards. 1.8 YPC
Herbert 8 carries for 16 yards. 2.0 YPC
Roschon 8 carries for 30 yards 3.8 YPC
I'd avoid them all for now honestly.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I have explained it before. There is something with Herbert they don't like or trust. Maybe he doesn't follow/run the plays properly. I've been saying it since last year they don't trust him to be the lead/feature guy. Something is going on behind the scenes. They could have given Herbert the lead role and not brought in Swift this offseason but they decided against it.
Something is odd with this situation for Herbert and why I have stayed away from it until we see otherwise.
I'm definitely going after Roschon.
He also seems to be the pass catching back.
However, it seems like the CHI offensive coordinator seriously has his head up his **s. They are facing a terrible, terrible run D and they hardly ran it. Just dumb.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Drafted K. Herbert as a rookie and have held tightly ever since just waiting for his time. Passed on Rhamondre Stevenson based on the level of unbridled love a guy named Matt had for him. Obviously, it only got this far because he was living up to the hype. He filled up the boxscore when given volume (mostly early). Didn't even seem like empty stats given the offense and some encouraging advanced stats.
I'm coming to this same conclusion, which means he will go down as one of the all-time roster cloggers if I move forward with the drop this week. The Herbert mantra was always stupid bleeping Chicago Bears. Holding this guy until he's free. I still might talk myself into holding until the trade deadline, which will only guarantee that he remains a Bear for the duration of the season. However, it seems like I'm just setting myself up for failure to continue to waste this roster spot and insist that the Bears are the most incompetent organization of all-time not to give him any run. Something has to be holding him back that's going to follow him to his next location. Or at least something that will stop him from ever claiming anything resembling a lead role. Even if he finds a nice #2 or 1b role at his next home, will it really be that devastating losing out on such a veteran RB north of age 27?
FWIW, Roschon is available on my waiver as of last week, and I'm still not interested despite the usage. Any other RB on any other team at this point. If I'm dropping Herbert, probably just bringing in another 6th round RB that's RB3/4 on his team (Vidal). At least he's only 23. Probably has a better outlook for end-of-season playing time at this point.
Max Power
Footballguy
Travis Homer went on the IR with a broken finger. He will be back in 3 more weeks. Waldron likes him as the #2 back for some reason.
If I had to guess why Herbert doesn't play its because his pass blocking isn't great. Bears dropped back 57 times against the Colts.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
That would make sense as the most plausible explanation on what went wrong with Herbert. I knew that was the wrap earlier in his career. Wasn't sure how it has progressed and it's hard to know for sure with as little playing time as he gets. But 6th round talent not making sufficient improvement on his biggest weakness makes sense. Can't fault any offense for not wanting to telegraph run-pass based on personnel.
I'm tempted to go after Roschon to see what happens for a week or two. If it's Herbert or Roschon, I would probably concede as an Herbert lifer that it's time to make the switch. I usually play for long-term ceiling when it comes to RB stashes (also, my team is sitting at 0-3). From that standpoint, not particularly high on Roschon, but potentially being an injury away from a workhorse role in 2024 isn't nothing.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
That is a bummer if that is the case about Herbert’s pass pro as he is a talented runner (probably the best pure runner of the football that the Bears have).
Big Nate
Footballguy
Have to still hold him just incase something shakes out where he gets more usage or he is traded. The other option is float him around and see if you can get anything for him. Maybe the Swift owner might do a deal? You are right though, you don't feel good about dropping him and he's not worth a start each week.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
If I drop Herbert, someone might scoop him for $0, but my league is too thin for anyone to actually pay for this experience. KTR value is basically on par with waiver options at this point. I might have to hold him on the off chance the Chiefs or Cowboys trade for him and he instantly becomes everything I always dreamed. That might be enough for me to walk away from this hobby forever. After all these years of clogging my roster with fruitless spot starts, I might have to escort him to the end of the fantasy football earth just to be certain.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Sounds like both Najee and Warren are injured now too for Pitts. Someone may make a trade for a Bears RB. It is a hot mess out there these days.
MrSoup
Footballguy
That’s what they said about Colts run Ds.
The Bears offensive line might be the worst unit in the NFL.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Homer has the highest pass blocking rating of the RB room. That's very likely why we have seen him on the field so much. That said, Roschon was praised for his pass blocking as a rookie last season. Honestly, the RB usage is maddening.
Sometimes rumblings like the ones you are hearing can lead to great things.
Now I am tempted to pick him up.
There's some talk on twitter that he's going to get an extended look this week to see if he can be part of the Bears solution to their terrible run game. Apparently the coaching staff liked what they saw of him last week.
ATB
Footballguy
He got picked up almost immediately in both of my competitive leagues. Looks like he could be the waiver gold of the year if this pans out.
Great for those who picked him up. Bad for me as a Swift owner lol.
Link?ESPN Insider Jeremy Fowler says the Bears plan on giving Roschon Johnson an “extended look” this Sunday against the Rams.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Sorry I just read the tweet on Twitter.Link?ESPN Insider Jeremy Fowler says the Bears plan on giving Roschon Johnson an “extended look” this Sunday against the Rams.
Yup. Read it.Sorry I just read the tweet on Twitter.Link?ESPN Insider Jeremy Fowler says the Bears plan on giving Roschon Johnson an “extended look” this Sunday against the Rams.
Let's see if this picks up steam the next couple of days.
It's not just Fowler fwiw, these are what I'd term strong rumblings when you pull it all together. Nothing concrete and I've never been that big on Roschon and no doubt with the money the Bears gave Swift they'd prefer he drastically improved, but absent of that something has to change.Yup. Read it.Sorry I just read the tweet on Twitter.Link?ESPN Insider Jeremy Fowler says the Bears plan on giving Roschon Johnson an “extended look” this Sunday against the Rams.
Let's see if this picks up steam the next couple of days.
From Brad Biggs in a Q&A today with this line: My hunch is we’ll see more of Johnson and maybe more work for Khalil Herbert and Swift will be utilized less.
Link to Biggs Q&A here: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/09/25/chicago-bears-mailbag-caleb-williams-jayden-daniels/
In an article from the Athletic today: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5789282/2024/09/24/bears-caleb-williams-50-passes/
3. Roschon Johnson could be the spark the Bears need for their run game, but Waldron abandoned him against the Colts.
The Bears had an opportunity to get the run game going against the Colts, who were without defensive tackle DeForest Buckner and were just gashed by the Green Bay Packers for 261 rushing yards,
With that in mind, the Bears leaned into Roschon Johnson, their biggest back, early. But then Waldron stopped. Five of Johnson’s eight carries came in the first quarter.
Johnson may not be able to do everything that D’Andre Swift can do, but he is a physical, downhill runner. His play style could be what the Bears need right now in their zone scheme.
When asked about the run game Monday, Eberflus mentioned all three of the Bears’ running backs but started with Johnson.
“I do think that Roschon gets going here,” Eberflus said. “He did a really good job (Sunday) in terms of denting the pile forward and doing a good job that way.”
I think the one fly in the ointment with Roschon is Waldron.It's not just Fowler fwiw, these are what I'd term strong rumblings when you pull it all together. Nothing concrete and I've never been that big on Roschon and no doubt with the money the Bears gave Swift they'd prefer he drastically improved, but absent of that something has to change.Yup. Read it.Sorry I just read the tweet on Twitter.Link?ESPN Insider Jeremy Fowler says the Bears plan on giving Roschon Johnson an “extended look” this Sunday against the Rams.
Let's see if this picks up steam the next couple of days.
From Brad Biggs in a Q&A today with this line: My hunch is we’ll see more of Johnson and maybe more work for Khalil Herbert and Swift will be utilized less.
Link to Biggs Q&A here: https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/09/25/chicago-bears-mailbag-caleb-williams-jayden-daniels/
In an article from the Athletic today: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5789282/2024/09/24/bears-caleb-williams-50-passes/
3. Roschon Johnson could be the spark the Bears need for their run game, but Waldron abandoned him against the Colts.
The Bears had an opportunity to get the run game going against the Colts, who were without defensive tackle DeForest Buckner and were just gashed by the Green Bay Packers for 261 rushing yards,
With that in mind, the Bears leaned into Roschon Johnson, their biggest back, early. But then Waldron stopped. Five of Johnson’s eight carries came in the first quarter.
Johnson may not be able to do everything that D’Andre Swift can do, but he is a physical, downhill runner. His play style could be what the Bears need right now in their zone scheme.
When asked about the run game Monday, Eberflus mentioned all three of the Bears’ running backs but started with Johnson.
“I do think that Roschon gets going here,” Eberflus said. “He did a really good job (Sunday) in terms of denting the pile forward and doing a good job that way.”
He seems...not good...as an OC.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Can't believe this team only mustered 60 rushing yards last week...The Colts have been abused lol. They REALLY can't run the ball. Good for Caleb stock I guess.
Roschon better hit 80 receptions to be viable! He's at a 70 reception pace extrapolated
Roschon better hit 80 receptions to be viable! He's at a 70 reception pace extrapolated
playin4beer
Footballguy
My two starting RB's that I drafted are J Conner and Z White.. I picked up E Wilson and Roschon.. I'm praying at least one of them can help me out..
I started 2-1 in my league despite my RB's and despite having to start Richardson at QB because of Love's injury..
I started 2-1 in my league despite my RB's and despite having to start Richardson at QB because of Love's injury..
Max Power
Footballguy
Its infuriating. Waldron wants to run RPOs and delayed draws from the shotgun. In theory Swift is the best back to run that style of offense. However the OLine isn't good at blocking that style. Waldron isn't playing to team's strengths and he's forcing his style on players with limited abilities. This creates the worst rushing attack in the NFL.
Roschon is a better back to line up 5-7 yards back, hit the hole running and at worst falls forward for 3-4 yards a pop. He's not likely to break many 20+ yard runs, but he isn't going backward either. This line CAN block that at a decent level. If they ever move Jenkins over to the right side, that duo of Jenkins/Wright was dominant together last season.
Roschon is a better back to line up 5-7 yards back, hit the hole running and at worst falls forward for 3-4 yards a pop. He's not likely to break many 20+ yard runs, but he isn't going backward either. This line CAN block that at a decent level. If they ever move Jenkins over to the right side, that duo of Jenkins/Wright was dominant together last season.
