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If you lose a contract for your employer and it was out of your control, and employer might let it slide but keep an eye on you. If you lost a contract because you basically hung up the phone on a client and said "wrong number" to your boss, immediately fired.
Because if a team invests a 3rd round pick in a player, they aren't releasing him after his second career game. Even with a major gaffe like this one. If you ran a team that way, you'd be the worst team in the league in a hurry. The player/contract is an asset... until it is not. I can assure you there are other NFL teams who would line up to buy low and trade a late draft pick for him right now, given the opportunity.
But what if you recruited that employee and identified him out of hundreds of options from all across the country as the exact right for your organization and gave him over a million dollars guaranteed and if you do fire him, you know he probably ends up with one of your main competititors the next day. Also if he wasn't ready and didn't know the parameters of his job, why did you put him out there when you have other employees who could handle it? Or did you just put him out there without ever really confirming that he how to do the job?
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You can train a guy for months. Even years. Think they understand the role and are ready, then you put them out there and they **** the bed. Depends on how badly you want to chase bad money. Most just cut their losses.
Oh for sure at some point you cut your losses but seems awfully early for that. Plus that also makes you look like a total idiot for all you invested to get him.
It does. But better to pull the bandaid off than to spend more time and money trying to salvage something because of your image. You wouldn't see Howie doing that. Bryce Huff was a big signing. He played like crap. Gone within a year.
There will definitely be some people rage quitting this guy in redraft leagues this week.
Warren is a seasoned vet who’s had a long and productive career in PIT.
Warren is in his 4th year, he is definitely not a seasoned vet.
Considering the life expectancy of an NFL player is around 3 years...he's an old guy.
This is less about the precise definition of a "seasoned vet" and more the suggestion Warren isn't a comparable talent to Dobbins or Stevenson. My recollection is he was good enough to push Harris in recent seasons - far more than some guy spelling him off when he was tired.
Would you trust him to pick up a Blitz with Aaron Rodgers standing back there?
Exactly. He wasn’t a backup riding a bench. Pretty sure I made that clear in my post.
Tomlin was quoted in the article above saying he'd be given a chance to prove himself and "earn his way back", so maybe that has some merit as well.
I mean, he was already only taking kickoffs. What does earning his way back entail? Carrying the pads back from practice without dropping them?
No idea, but that statement seems to indicate there’s a path to getting out of the doghouse.
I know what you are saying, but basically third round pick Roman Wilson was shoved in his locker and didn't get out last year. The recent history is not encouraging.
The overwhelming majority of teams use a committee. Just because a guy is a #2 in the committee doesn’t mean he is pushing for the starting role or capable of doing it well. Objectively he has been Najee’s backup. Rhamondre and dobbins have shown they are capable nfl starters. Warren hasn’t.
Warren is literally coming off a game where he had 18 touches for 134 APY
There are lots of backs who look good at first when they have fresh legs, but far fewer who can be solid for an extended stretch. Rhamomdre and dobbins have shown that, Warren hasn’t. Dude is averaging 3.4 ypc so far and most of his receiving yards came on a play where the Seahawks forgot how to tackle, not sure how last week proves anything
I’m not saying Warren is the next Jim Brown. I’m saying he is an experienced NFL RB who’s producing.
This. It is what it is. It's still early in dynasty, be patient.
Warren averaged 4.3 ypc in 2024 which is '.1' lower than the NFL league average of 4.4 ypc. That's WITH averaging 3.2 ypc the first 5 weeks (he had some stinkers in there and wasn't really getting a lot of carries).
Heard the quote and I believe he was saying that Johnson would have to earn his way back in practice.
They’re not cutting him after 2 games in the NFL. That would be absurd.
I don't expect the team to cut him. I meant for fantasy, non dynasty.
Its not Tomlin you should be worried about, its Arthur Smith. In Atlanta, even with a much better talent in Bijan Robinson, he preferred a timeshare at RB. That said, I think he has enough upside to consider patiently waiting on. There was reason for all the pre-season hype.
I don't think any of us do. He's had two carries in two games lol. We can definitely extrapolate this means the staff doesn't think he's good (enough) to start (yet). But that's about it.
haha
That's an easy swap. Corum is looking like a bellcow backup. Johnson is RB3 at best. Pitt clearly doesn't trust him (yet).
Its not brand new rules. In any level of the game KJ has played in til now, if the other team picks up the ball on the kick off, they get the ball. There's really no excuse for him.I don't think any of us do. He's had two carries in two games lol. We can definitely extrapolate this means the staff doesn't think he's good (enough) to start (yet). But that's about it.
And I think some people are massively overblowing the kick return thing. It wasn't a lazy thing or a skills thing. It was a not knowing the brand new rule thing. IMO, that's a strong reflection of the coaching staff, especially Tomlin and Danny Smith, as well as obviously on Kaleb. I feel like the other 31 special teams coaches in the league were simultaneously praising whatever higher power they believe in that it was another team's player making that mistake, as with rule changes like this there is almost always a blunder that proves to be the lesson the rest of the league learns from. You know every single ST coach included that play in film study Monday for their teams saying "DON'T DO THIS".
Considering it felt like half the posters here were already saying in August that this was Warrens job, and Kaleb would have to earn a spot, and it might take months if not most of the season to earn a role; it seems real odd to me to see many of the same names now saying "He's a bust!". Isn't this exactly what many of you predicted? Major learning curve, having to unseat a "vet" or whatever you'd like to call Warren, is hard and won't happen overnight?
Two carries and he's a bust lol... man... Maybe he will be. But maybe let's get more than two totes on tape before making that call. Heck, I'm giving Chase Brown at least two more WEEKS of subpar performance before jumping in his thread to dredge up all the comments where people clowned on me for saying he's an average talent at best RB feasting off volume in an offense helmed by a top 5 QB and top 2 WR in the league. Or jumping in the Daniels thread to point out when I said a month or two ago Washington offense is mid, people are way too high on it in general, and that he's an injury risk waiting to happen which will also tank the entire team if he goes down. *pats myself on back for being more patient with my gloating*
Warren is mediocre by starter standards. Outside of the Texans or maybe chiefs I can’t think of any other teams where it would even be a consideration. Not saying he should be out of the league but he is not in consideration for a starting role unless you have one of the bottom rooms in the league. In full PPR for fantasy he should be good, I just don’t think as a real life back he is up to par with other proven starters overall
Its not brand new rules. In any level of the game KJ has played in til now, if the other team picks up the ball on the kick off, they get the ball. There's really no excuse for him.I don't think any of us do. He's had two carries in two games lol. We can definitely extrapolate this means the staff doesn't think he's good (enough) to start (yet). But that's about it.
And I think some people are massively overblowing the kick return thing. It wasn't a lazy thing or a skills thing. It was a not knowing the brand new rule thing. IMO, that's a strong reflection of the coaching staff, especially Tomlin and Danny Smith, as well as obviously on Kaleb. I feel like the other 31 special teams coaches in the league were simultaneously praising whatever higher power they believe in that it was another team's player making that mistake, as with rule changes like this there is almost always a blunder that proves to be the lesson the rest of the league learns from. You know every single ST coach included that play in film study Monday for their teams saying "DON'T DO THIS".
Considering it felt like half the posters here were already saying in August that this was Warrens job, and Kaleb would have to earn a spot, and it might take months if not most of the season to earn a role; it seems real odd to me to see many of the same names now saying "He's a bust!". Isn't this exactly what many of you predicted? Major learning curve, having to unseat a "vet" or whatever you'd like to call Warren, is hard and won't happen overnight?
Two carries and he's a bust lol... man... Maybe he will be. But maybe let's get more than two totes on tape before making that call. Heck, I'm giving Chase Brown at least two more WEEKS of subpar performance before jumping in his thread to dredge up all the comments where people clowned on me for saying he's an average talent at best RB feasting off volume in an offense helmed by a top 5 QB and top 2 WR in the league. Or jumping in the Daniels thread to point out when I said a month or two ago Washington offense is mid, people are way too high on it in general, and that he's an injury risk waiting to happen which will also tank the entire team if he goes down. *pats myself on back for being more patient with my gloating*
That’s fine but the context of this discussion is FF, no?
Not everyone is suited to being a KR.
