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RB Samaje Perine, KC (1 Viewer)

cloppbeast said:
Sucks when an unspecial running back gets selected behind another unspecial running back in an offensive system which hardly runs the ball.

You guys can have all the Samaje Perine you want.
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Well, this "unspecial" or "average" Perine broke Melvin Gordon's NCAA Football's single game rushing record within a week (LaDainian Tomlinson held it since 1999).  And he did it while he was freshman.  

Beside, Redskins' OL ranked highly in the NFL especially in RZ opportunity. 

 
cloppbeast said:
TDs saved, as you offensively call him, Fat Rob. But you know as well as anybody that TDs have much volatility. Redskins made a lot of changes in the offense, so no gaurantee they make it to the red zone as much. Those possibly few carries likely go to..... well, nobody really knows. You make a leap of faith to assume that Perine will win this job. This situation has platoon written all over it. In the event Perine gets the job, per your admission, he's an average RB prospect. Benjarvus Green-Ellis 2.0
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He calls himself Fat Rob. Yes, there is TD variance and the Skins made changes to their offense. Again, we are talking about a guy being taken as RB35, there are plenty of warts. I am willing to take the bet since Fat Rob is an F level prospect and Perine is a C. Put an average back in that offense and maybe rushing numbers go up. Maybe it is BGE 2.0 but BGE has 3 years of fantasy success (RB14,24,19). 

 
Ilov80s said:
He calls himself Fat Rob. Yes, there is TD variance and the Skins made changes to their offense. Again, we are talking about a guy being taken as RB35, there are plenty of warts. I am willing to take the bet since Fat Rob is an F level prospect and Perine is a C. Put an average back in that offense and maybe rushing numbers go up. Maybe it is BGE 2.0 but BGE has 3 years of fantasy success (RB14,24,19). 
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I acknowledge your point. I would take Perine at the right price.

What about you? Would rather have the Redskins current 2nd string RB over Theo Riddick, Paul Perkins, Frank Gore, LaGerrette Blunt, Kareem Hunt, or Doug Martin? IDK about any of those.

Another thing to consider: factor Chris Thompson in this equation too.

 
cloppbeast said:
I acknowledge your point. I would take Perine at the right price.

What about you? Would rather have the Redskins current 2nd string RB over Theo Riddick, Paul Perkins, Frank Gore, LaGerrette Blunt, Kareem Hunt, or Doug Martin? IDK about any of those.

Another thing to consider: factor Chris Thompson in this equation too.
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Obviously, if I take Perine it is because I think he will be the #1 RB in Washington. We will have a better picture of the backfield by the time most drafts start. I would take Perine over: Riddick (for standard), Perkins and Hunt. Gore and Blount are tough calls. 

 
Curious what has changed between the draft and now that Perine has acquired so much traction up the ADP board.  Does he really look that much better now in a tee shirt and shorts?

 
Bronco Billy said:
Curious what has changed between the draft and now that Perine has acquired so much traction up the ADP board.  Does he really look that much better now in a tee shirt and shorts?
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It's just that Rob Kelley looks so bad in shorts and tee shirt because he's over-weight, hence "Fat Rob".

 
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cloppbeast said:
TDs saved, as you offensively call him, Fat Rob. But you know as well as anybody that TDs have much volatility. Redskins made a lot of changes in the offense, so no gaurantee they make it to the red zone as much. Those possibly few carries likely go to..... well, nobody really knows. You make a leap of faith to assume that Perine will win this job. This situation has platoon written all over it. In the event Perine gets the job, per your admission, he's an average RB prospect. Benjarvus Green-Ellis 2.0
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I don't mean to be a Richard, but I have a hard time taking someone's opinion on this RB situation if they don't know that Fat Rob is what he calls himself. It's pretty well-known. He even said it on national TV.

 
kutta said:
I don't mean to be a Richard, but I have a hard time taking someone's opinion on this RB situation if they don't know that Fat Rob is what he calls himself. It's pretty well-known. He even said it on national TV.
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Winston Churchill was an alcoholic and a chain smoker, yet he was also great war time prime minister.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Curious what has changed between the draft and now that Perine has acquired so much traction up the ADP board.  Does he really look that much better now in a tee shirt and shorts?
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This happens every year.

Before the NFL draft the nerds said the best rbs in the class are kamara, foreman, perine, etc and I'm not changing my rankings based on situation. Those are almost always the first guys to do rookie drafts before after the NFL draft and they drive initial adp. 

The more drafts that get done though - including rookie and start up - the more casual owners come in and go perine, starter.  Kamara, not a starter.  I'll take perine.  

You also get more puff pieces about guys who were drafted to start than guys who weren't.  The local news interviews the coach and he says  we knew he was special but gosh he's even better than we thought.  Suddenly perine is a good pass catcher even though there's barely been time to find out.  Meanwhile kamara gets some reps with the rookies but not as many with the 1s and suddenly it's perine is so much more talented than kamara. 

You're right that nothing has changed, except that we knew this adp change was coming.   So the real takeaway for early drafters should probably be draft for situation, then trade for talent once the rookie hype dies down a little if you really believe in it.  

You would have had to trade perine plus to get kamara a month ago,  now it's the opposite.  Trade down, take the guy with the best situations in that tier,  wait a couple weeks, trade for the guy you really wanted,  profit. 

(Note - I like perine better than kamara but it's close enough to use as an example) 

 
The guy in front of Perine has 704 career rushing yards and was an undrafted back-up RB on Tulane The guys in front of Kamara have 16,000 yards rushing and were both 1st round picks after dominant college careers in elite programs. I would say that's more than enough to shift the slight difference in pre-draft ranking between them.

 
Ilov80s said:
The guy in front of Perine has 704 career rushing yards and was an undrafted back-up RB on Tulane The guys in front of Kamara have 16,000 yards rushing and were both 1st round picks after dominant college careers in elite programs. I would say that's more than enough to shift the slight difference in pre-draft ranking between them.
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I was pretty high on Kamara pre-draft but actually higher after. His best trait right now is what he offers in receiving game and he plays for a team that traditionally is top 3 in RB targets. I'd like him more of course if he did not play behind two RB's more talented than Kelly but it's all relative. Comping the Redkins during Gruden's 3 years to the Saints fantasy RB production in that same 3 year time frame and the Saints average 115 more fantasy points per game out of their RB's then the Redkins, assuming PPR as all my numbers assume. I'd bet the farm, the house and all I got on the Saints RB's outproducing the Redkins RB's by more than 115 fantasy points this season.

Kamara has not proven he can be Sproles, yet, but in terms of sharing the workload in his 3 years with the Saints we saw Sproles average over 16 fantasy points per game on just about 4 carries a game. That's why I say it's relative, you don't always need to have a big rushing workload.

Put another way in the last 3 years with Gruden the entire Redkins RB's have averaged 23.7 fantasy points per game, which is us about 7 fantasy points per game more than Sproles averaged on just 4 carries a game. 

But this is a Perine thread and I'll say about him the same thing I said before the NFL draft. He's Jeremy Hill/Spencer Ware, same guy. That's not horrible and meant to be a big putdown, both of those RB's have some value and were good for brief stretches which is what I think will be the case with Perine. Solid backup or two down back who can be good for brief stretches but on talent that's what I think you got, Hill/Ware type.

 
I'm always going to be a fan of taking a chance on rookie RBs who have traits that are at elite level. In Perine's case, that would be his insane strength. The unsettled depth chart he's now a part of only further endears him to me. Reach for him? No. Never reach for a rookie RB. Depending upon how my roster has fleshed out though, I wouldn't hesitate to take him as a RB3/4.

 
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Perine tires pretty often. You'd probably say "get in shape" or somesuch to another back, but the guy gives it his all on every play. There's gonna be another back involved here.

I don't know that you can compare Perine to many backs in today's era, but there's a zillion from other eras that he'd compare favorably to. He's a pile mover.

Means, Bus, Jacobs, Alstott, Bam Morris, J Stewart....pick anyone from other eras. Maybe best hope is Jamal Lewis. 

 
Bri said:
Perine tires pretty often. You'd probably say "get in shape" or somesuch to another back, but the guy gives it his all on every play. There's gonna be another back involved here.

I don't know that you can compare Perine to many backs in today's era, but there's a zillion from other eras that he'd compare favorably to. He's a pile mover.

Means, Bus, Jacobs, Alstott, Bam Morris, J Stewart....pick anyone from other eras. Maybe best hope is Jamal Lewis. 
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I'd like it to be Keith Marshall. Could be a nice Lightning and Thunder combo. 

 
menobrown said:
But this is a Perine thread and I'll say about him the same thing I said before the NFL draft. He's Jeremy Hill/Spencer Ware, same guy. That's not horrible and meant to be a big putdown, both of those RB's have some value and were good for brief stretches which is what I think will be the case with Perine. Solid backup or two down back who can be good for brief stretches but on talent that's what I think you got, Hill/Ware type.
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Sometimes the nature of posts in this forum makes me think I'm in the minority in playing in leagues that start as many as 48 RBs every week (12 x 4). I'm not much of a Hill fan, but Ware is very valuable in such leagues. I'll gladly take that from Perine at his ADP, whether in redraft or dynasty rookie draft.

 
Just Win Baby said:
Sometimes the nature of posts in this forum makes me think I'm in the minority in playing in leagues that start as many as 48 RBs every week (12 x 4). I'm not much of a Hill fan, but Ware is very valuable in such leagues. I'll gladly take that from Perine at his ADP, whether in redraft or dynasty rookie draft.
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Like I said in the post you responded to, these backs have some value.

Ware was very valuable, will he be less valuable now that they added Hunt? Personally I think so. As for Hill on one hand you try and establish the point that in a league that starts 48 RB's that a contributing RB has value, which I agree even in leagues that don't start near that many,  but then go on to say you are not much of a Hill fan. I'm no big Hill fan either but I'm pretty sure Hill has been a top 24 RB every year he's been in the league so again he's had value, but similar to Ware it's a valid question to wonder if the new rookie RB they drafted will make him less valuable. I would again so I think so.

 
menobrown said:
Like I said in the post you responded to, these backs have some value.

Ware was very valuable, will he be less valuable now that they added Hunt? Personally I think so. As for Hill on one hand you try and establish the point that in a league that starts 48 RB's that a contributing RB has value, which I agree even in leagues that don't start near that many,  but then go on to say you are not much of a Hill fan. I'm no big Hill fan either but I'm pretty sure Hill has been a top 24 RB every year he's been in the league so again he's had value, but similar to Ware it's a valid question to wonder if the new rookie RB they drafted will make him less valuable. I would again so I think so.
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My comment on Hill was related to my view of his prospects going forward, which IMO doesn't have much to do with his past performance. :shrug:  

 
I'm definitely on the Perine hater side of the fence but he is intriguing to some degree. As much as I am negative on his outlook, you have to do due diligence and acknowledge the situation he has is very favorable. Sure, WAS hasn't historically run the ball much, but they haven't had a bell cow that could do this in quite some time. Perine, if anything, is a strong back that can pound the ball. The fact that he won't lose goal line carries, to me, is why I have some interest. If he can take the bulk of the carries and get goal line touches, he's incredibly valuable at where he's being drafted. 

Borden said:
I'd like it to be Keith Marshall. Could be a nice Lightning and Thunder combo. 
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Careful, I was ridiculed heavily for suggesting Marshall could emerge as a useful back in this offense

 
Dr. Dan said:
I'm definitely on the Perine hater side of the fence but he is intriguing to some degree. As much as I am negative on his outlook, you have to do due diligence and acknowledge the situation he has is very favorable. Sure, WAS hasn't historically run the ball much, but they haven't had a bell cow that could do this in quite some time. Perine, if anything, is a strong back that can pound the ball. The fact that he won't lose goal line carries, to me, is why I have some interest. If he can take the bulk of the carries and get goal line touches, he's incredibly valuable at where he's being drafted. 

Careful, I was ridiculed heavily for suggesting Marshall could emerge as a useful back in this offense
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So, Marshall is out now.

 
CSN Mid-Atlantic's Rich Tandler doesn't believe fourth-rounder Samaje Perine is going to push Rob Kelley for the starting job "anytime soon."

That's been pretty evident for weeks now, and Perine didn't do anything to close the gap in Thursday's preseason opener by fumbling the ball, dropping a third-down pass, and getting crossed up in a blitz pickup. Fumbling and pass protection have been ongoing issues for Perine all camp. Kelley is miles ahead in this battle.

Related: Rob Kelley

Source: CSN Mid-Atlantic 

Aug 11 - 9:46 AM
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Patience, Perine owners.

He was never going to be handed the job right away.

Wait until it's mid-season and Kelley is wearing down.

That's when our boy is going to emerge.

 
I've been a believer (mostly due to my lack of belief in Kelley), but that was a pretty brutal start. He improved a bit as the night went on, but he certainly didn't flash anything to make a case for a bigger role. He needs to work harder if he's going to get a shot at the starting gig. 

 
Redskins coach Jay Gruden said fourth-round RB Samaje Perine had a "rough" preseason opener.

"A little fumble; dropped a pass," Gruden added. "Didn’t hit the hole as violently as we’d like him to." Despite the bad start, Gruden said he has not lost faith in the rookie and plans to give Perine more work. Even so, Rob Kelley is locked in as the starter.

Source: Liz Clarke on Twitter
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ESPN's John Keim reports "there remains a gap" between fourth-round RB Samaje Perine and Rob Kelley.

This is nothing coach Jay Gruden hasn't already told us, but Keim reports Perine is struggling in pass protection. The coaching staff also apparently believes he's "still thinking too much when running the ball, and learning when to juke a guy vs. just run over him." Perine could eventually unseat Kelley, but it sounds like sophomore Kelley is going to have more rope than expected as starter.

Related: Rob Kelley

Source: ESPN.com

Aug 15 - 7:21 PM
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Miro Z said:
Patience, Perine owners.

He was never going to be handed the job right away.

Wait until it's mid-season and Kelley is wearing down.

That's when our boy is going to emerge.
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Kelley was one of the least impressive backs I've seen in a workhorse role.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Kelley was one of the least impressive backs I've seen in a workhorse role.
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This. I'm loving the bad preseason as a chance to buy low on Perine. Hopefully he lasts until the top of the second in rookie draft.

 
Miro Z said:
Patience, Perine owners.

He was never going to be handed the job right away.

Wait until it's mid-season and Kelley is wearing down.

That's when our boy is going to emerge.
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Not to mention that Redskins drafted Perine for good reasons.  I am often remind that talent will find a way to produce on the field even it takes a while. 

 
As a Perine owner,  I realistically see him as mainly a goal line back in a 65-45 split with Rob Kelley, with Kelley getting the 65.

 
Aznflyer14 said:
Not to mention that Redskins drafted Perine for good reasons.  I am often remind that talent will find a way to produce on the field even it takes a while. 
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Which good reason?  Because they needed a better backup than Matt Jones?  (Who was drafted higher than Perine of memory serves....) 

 
Bri said:
Nice. Looks like himself. Maybe he just needed to get rid of some jitters.
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He looked good. Definitely some missed assignments by the GB D, particularly on his big reception, by but he took advantage of them and looked solid overall.

Would have liked to see some footage of him staying in to block on pass plays. Most reports are that is where he is truly struggling. I can't see Washington risking their $20 million QB if they aren't 100% confident Perine won't get him killed.

 
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