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RB Samaje Perine, KC (1 Viewer)

Am I the only one who finds this situation extremely underrated?  On 10/3 coach said Kelly is day to day.  That same day Kelly said he expects to play after the bye.  8 days later he's now a long shot to play?  Then today Gruden quickly revealed Perine will get majority of carries and that he is capable of having success both when QB is under center and shotgun formations where Oaklahoma ran its scheme.  It sounds like to me Perine has figured it out during the bye and he's ready to breakout.  I'm not familiar with J. Gruden but coaches normally aren't forthcoming like this unless they know they have something.  I scooped him up soon as news Kelly missed practice spread.  Was just surprised how quick Gruden was to announce this.  Anyway I'll be monitoring this situation closely.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/10/11/wednesdays-takeaways-redskins-want-to-get-jamison-crowder-more-targets/?utm_term=.068ad07fa17c

 
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Perine is pretty unproven with his hands but doesn’t have stone hands.

I know I’m a homer and I’ll be the first to admit I’ve been dissapponted so far, but I think it’s far too early to write him off as a JStew. It really seems like he’s overthinking things and not yet comfortable at the next level.  He’s a super hard worker and he’s pretty smart, and I’m sure everybody in the locker room has his back because he’s a team first guy.  Give it some time and hopefully it will pan out. 
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If he turns out to be Stewart skillset I'd be thrilled.  People love bagging on the guy but he was a stud as a younger guy, his production just got ruined by Rivera's insistence on RBBC and health concerns. 

 
Very close to dropping A.Collins for him. Guaranteed opportunity has value...then again this will probably turn out to be the Chris Thompson show.

 
Perine has shown nothing whatsoever that he could reach the same level of Jonathan Stewart yet, and I’m surprised at the JStew hate. He was solid in combo with DWill and has been a serviceable NFL back. 

I bought into Perine coming into the season but moved on when he failed to do anything when Kelley was out the first go-around. That turned into the Chris Thompson show, who is great for this offense, but Perine didn’t pass the eye test for me. Looked plodding, not a lot of vision, not a lot of burst.

Rookies can turn it around, and I’m always interested in the next possible RB lotto ticket, but I think I’m willing to wait to see instead of making another speculative add on this guy - we’ve seen this script before (Rob out, Perine in line for being a 2 down back) and it didn’t work out. Doubt he suddenly sees the light out of the blue in practice.

Willing to be wrong, but there you have it.

 
When I say he looks like JStew, I mean 30 year old JStew not Double Trouble JStew. And even then, JStew is still pretty elusive, especially for his size. How many times can I type JStew?

I've always defended JStew.

 
Perine may end up being the guy that forever reminds me that bench press is factored way too heavily into SPARQ. Thankfully, that metric has moved down my list of importance. Hoping I can correctly position guys like Perine below the Marlon Mack’s and Aaron Jones’ next year.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Perine may end up being the guy that forever reminds me that bench press is factored way too heavily into SPARQ. Thankfully, that metric has moved down my list of importance. Hoping I can correctly position guys like Perine below the Marlon Mack’s and Aaron Jones’ next year.
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Well that's easy to say now esp after both coming off good games. It can be a little harder to predict ahead of time. I also think it's too soon to make any conclusions on their careers.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Perine has shown nothing whatsoever that he could reach the same level of Jonathan Stewart yet, and I’m surprised at the JStew hate. He was solid in combo with DWill and has been a serviceable NFL back. 

I bought into Perine coming into the season but moved on when he failed to do anything when Kelley was out the first go-around. That turned into the Chris Thompson show, who is great for this offense, but Perine didn’t pass the eye test for me. Looked plodding, not a lot of vision, not a lot of burst.

Rookies can turn it around, and I’m always interested in the next possible RB lotto ticket, but I think I’m willing to wait to see instead of making another speculative add on this guy - we’ve seen this script before (Rob out, Perine in line for being a 2 down back) and it didn’t work out. Doubt he suddenly sees the light out of the blue in practice.

Willing to be wrong, but there you have it.
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Couldn't agree more with the eye test.  He's looked kinda terrible the times I've watched Washington.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Perine has shown nothing whatsoever that he could reach the same level of Jonathan Stewart yet, and I’m surprised at the JStew hate. He was solid in combo with DWill and has been a serviceable NFL back. 

I bought into Perine coming into the season but moved on when he failed to do anything when Kelley was out the first go-around. That turned into the Chris Thompson show, who is great for this offense, but Perine didn’t pass the eye test for me. Looked plodding, not a lot of vision, not a lot of burst.

Rookies can turn it around, and I’m always interested in the next possible RB lotto ticket, but I think I’m willing to wait to see instead of making another speculative add on this guy - we’ve seen this script before (Rob out, Perine in line for being a 2 down back) and it didn’t work out. Doubt he suddenly sees the light out of the blue in practice.

Willing to be wrong, but there you have it.
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Hang on a sec.  If you can look up his 2017 runs you'll notice exactly what board members and Gruden is saying.

Take a look at his Week 2 carries.

  • In shotgun formation he's gaining chunk yards.  Like explosive runs through the line.  Makes sense coming from that type of scheme in college where after hand off he's near the second level requiring only one cut back.
  • In I-formation he was struggling.  You'll notice some rookie mistakes.  He was hitting the hole too fast not allowing his blocks to develop.  Though I did see some surprising agility when he cuts to the outside.  His I-formation runs are deflating his overall stats.
Fast forward to week 4.  He was reading his blocks much better and with only 6 carries he averaged 4.5 yards per carry.  This is what he should have been working on through the bye and why I believe something clicked.  We're now in week 5 and it makes complete sense that a back coming from a shotgun formation school takes some time to develop into the I-formation.  Here's a link to his record setting day in college.  It's all shotgun formations.

 
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Had my choice between him and Alfred Morris. Chose Morris.
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????  Cowboys are on a bye
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Someone was going to pick up Morris this week (McFadden was taken at the same time I picked up Morris).

My decision was based on which player I thought had the best chance of being a top-10 fantasy RB for multiple weeks. Perine may do alright this week, but I don't foresee him being fantasy relevant once Kelley comes back.

I'd rather take my chances with 6 weeks of Morris.

 
Chaka said:
Does that mean Alex Collins is one of your starting RBs?
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In that league I'm starting Lynch and CJ with Perine in the flex. I have Collins on the bench in all 3 leagues. He is still a hold to me.

 
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Weebs210 said:
In that league I'm starting Lynch and CJ with Perine in the flex. I have Collins on the bench in all 3 leagues. He is still a hold to me.
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Interesting. I would think this is his best opportunity to date and he has a decent shot at 15 carries.

Full week of practice as a #2 RB, soft opponent, no Maclin etc.

 
So the reception TD likely helped people who were forced to start him or took a flyer, but Cousins had more rushes and more yards on the ground, and Thompson got more opportunity (though a lesser ypc) on the ground (and certainly through the air).

9/23/0 and 3/24/1

My :2cents: : In a game where he had the opportunity to break out, I don't think Perine proved that either he 1) will take over any time this season from Kelley when Fat Rob is healthy, 2) that he could really carry the load as the main rushing back, or that 3) Washington's offense is geared towards using Perine's skill set in a more featured role (where Rob Kelley has showed that a little more this year). 

 
Have to say I’m a little jaded on making the mistake of taking this guy over Hunt. He looks like a JAG to me. I guess it could be impatience but every rookie RB that I can think of has looked better than him including guys like Chris Carson, Austin Eckler and Matt Breida.

 
I keep meaning to watch and miss his games. He didn't just become not talented week one. What's the deal?

How come every Redskins back is playing poorly? That's been a bit of a red flag for me looking at stats. 

Does the line stink? Is it "everyone knows they're gonna run" when they run?

As I picked up Alfred Morris. I remembered him and that FB Cartwright and some others. Why do the Redskins draft a different back every year? From afar it sure seems like they'd be better off drafting linemen. Something kind of stinks about how they're building. I just don't follow them closely enough to know

 
Surprised not to see more chatter on either Rob Kelly being placed on IR, and how Perine might benefit.

Yes, Chris Thompson seems to be the back that will be used most often, but Perine -- despite not really showing me anything all season, even when he got the start over Kelly earlier in the season -- looked pretty good running the ball this past week.

 
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Perine against the Vikings didn't look bad. He isn't great though. He needs volume to be useful for fantasy. He did have one reception for 25 yards. He has shown to be an effective receiver when they have used him, which to me is somewhat of a surprise. That is promising.

He had 20 offensive snaps and Rob Kelly had 10 offensive snaps before being injured. If he picks up Kellys plays that was 40% of the offensive snaps in the most recent game, Thompson had 45 offensive snaps which was 60%.

The last time Perine played significant offensive snaps was against SF in game 5 of the season. He had 3 receptions for 24 yards in that game.

Thrust back into a more prominent role with Kelly out Perine may be able to get 10-15 rushing attempts a game with two or 3 targets, which could be enough volume for him to be worth considering. I would still expect Thompson to play more than him though, a 60/40 split unless something changes.

What is a positive sign is that Washington got most of their starting offensive linemen back in the last game. Guys there are still banged up. I think Williams injury is such that it is something he will just try to play through for the rest of the year if he can. Their center Long did play in the game but he had to leave again after playing 12 offensive snaps. Maybe they will get him back full time now.

If the starters can stay healthy now for the rest of the year that should give Perine better blocking to work with and perhaps his per touch efficiency improves because of that, and also because of him having a better understanding of the offence now.

 
I'll be the first to admit I was wrong and have been surprised by his slow start in the NFL.  I know things change a lot going from college to the NFL, but he really has all the physical tools to be a strong NFL back.

A lot of the things I have read is that he is running indecisive.  I honestly think he just looks like a typical rookie and needs more time.

This year he probably will not amount to much more than a flex for fantasy, but he is in a good situation on a above average offense, so there is hope still.

He really is a great teammate and a extremely hard worker, so I wouldn't write him off just yet.  The skins will find ways to utilize him and I think the light bulb will come on eventually and he will start producing for patient FFB owners.

 
I'll be the first to admit that I was right. From day 1 I was skeptical. Hasn't stopped me from buying an expendable piece of him for this week to see what he can do. Starting RBs off the WW are in short supply these days, so I figured I could hang onto him and see how it plays out given my RB2 situation is horrid (unless AA keeps those goal line carries)

If Perine gets goal line carries and can get about 60 total yards a game, he could be a decent RB2 at this point of the season. It would be a nice surprise, but I'm not holding my breath. At this point I think he needs to be owned just because he's got a bigger piece of the pie with Kelly IRed 

 
Welp, now Thompson probably gone, so he will have tons of opportunity.  Though I hope it doesn't make the offense easier to defend overall.

 
Perine is turning me around. Obviously his performance today is compelling evidence in it's own right, but in the beginning of the season, I saw indecisiveness at the point of attack where he is now picking a hole and being elusive through it. 

Before, I saw a guy who was being taken down on first contact -- now he seems to effectively be using his side to break arm tackles and forcing you to bring him down.

There was always some degree of burst but he was never getting to the second level, whereas now, with maybe his vision settling in at this new level, he seems to seek out and power towards the next level.

I picked him back up for depth into the playoffs with Fat Rob going out. Perine may just be my new set and forget flex guy or match up RB2 if he keeps this up. 

 
Those were two quality runs trying to ice the game.  Everyone in the box to stop the run and he waited for his blocks and exploded through the holes.  Didn't go down on arm tackles.  Impressive runs.

 
Nice to see him have a good game, but wow he looked SLOW on that long run. He almost looks more like a FB than a RB.

 
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