RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (4 Viewers)

[DJackson10]

People like to be contrarians. He’s the highest rated RB in a long time. If they say he’s overrated and he doesn’t live up to the billing, they can then beat their chest. If he is every bit as good as most thought he would be, they don’t mention it again and it’s forgotten.

You mean like all the people who road RG3 and Kapernick's Jocks and no one has brought it up? People tend to get caught up in sexy highlights and athletic freaks. Not trying to figure out if their ability from college transfers to the pros or not. People are saying Lamar Jackson is underrated this draft. I just don't see his skills translating to the NFL at the QB position just like the I believe Flowers (The guys from USF QB) would make a better WR then QB. However thats the good thing about prospects in all sports. Everyone is allowed an opinion. 

 

[Pipes]

My point is we tend to overhype these guys and use one in a generation talent way too often. Gurley and Fournette maybe the two best RB prospects I've seen in the last 20 years not named AP or Barry Sanders. I feel Barkley is getting overrated also do to the poor QB class and other positions not being as good as the RB spot this year. The Something happened with Mariotta and Winston. I didn't think they were amazing talents and had Gurely not gotten hurt I think he'd have been in the convo for the #1 overall pick. Don't get me wrong I never said Barkley would be a bust. I think he'll have a great career. I'm just not one to put the dude in Canton before he plays an NFL down 

wat???

 

[Concept Coop]

I would say he's got better character then Zeke and he doesn't have Zekes wear and tear. Also I was never that high on Zeke either. I think he's been an extreme benefactor of great offensive line run blocking in both College and the pros so far. Barkley he's been more durable IN COLLEGE then Fournette or Gurley but honestly I'd have taken Gurley in the top 5 despite his injury the year he was drafted. People have compared Barkley to Barry Sanders. I don't see it. I saw Shady pulling off Barry Sanders better then Barkley. Speaking of Shady he does what Shady does runs more East West then North South which he needs to get a better handle on. Despite his size he more quick then a bulldozer to break tackles which he'll need to do in the NFL because he's not gonna have the Truck size lanes like he did in college. He also looks too much to make a highlight reel miss rather then take whats given to him in the hole. Not a great pass blocker either. He was also contained in games where he should've destroyed teams especially against Michigan St. Fournette has the same Strengths as Barkley and hhis receiving ability honestly is incredible underrated This guy isn't all power he's got surprising quickness. He also has pass Pro disadvantages as well. Leonard fournette was the most polished backed NFL Prospect wise since AP yet he got no where near the hype AP got and people were locked onto the McCaffery hype train. I would've taken Gurley over both Winston and Mariotta in that Draft. 

My point is we tend to overhype these guys and use one in a generation talent way too often. Gurley and Fournette maybe the two best RB prospects I've seen in the last 20 years not named AP or Barry Sanders. I feel Barkley is getting overrated also do to the poor QB class and other positions not being as good as the RB spot this year. The Something happened with Mariotta and Winston. I didn't think they were amazing talents and had Gurely not gotten hurt I think he'd have been in the convo for the #1 overall pick. Don't get me wrong I never said Barkley would be a bust. I think he'll have a great career. I'm just not one to put the dude in Canton before he plays an NFL down 

Barkley is a very good pass blocker; better than Fournette.

Fournette does not have the same strengths as Barkley.  He's nowhere near the receiver - routes and hands.  He's not nearly as agile, lacking Barkley's hips, feet and lateral agility. He doesn't have Barkley's vision and isn't as elusive.  Two very different players.  Saying he isn't Fournette isn't really a knock on Barkley - in the same way that LeVeon Bell not being Fournette isn't a knock on him.

I'll grant that Barkley looks for the homerun too often - and that he'll need to work on that at the next level.

Have you watched the games you're claiming Barkley underperformed in?  Georgia State is the best example, but the games you mention work as well.  Sure - PSU should win the LOS against a DII school, allowing Barkley to dominate.  But they didn't, and Barkley was hit in the backfield often and had very little room to work.  That's not on Barkley; the same thing would have happened to whoever you put in that situation - Zeke, Fournette, etc.  Barkley's line was trash, and that's especially an issue in an RPO offense.  

If you want to cherry pick game logs to knock him, spend the few minutes it takes to watch his carries in those games.

 

[DJackson10]

Barkley is a very good pass blocker; better than Fournette.

Fournette does not have the same strengths as Barkley.  He's nowhere near the receiver - routes and hands.  He's not nearly as agile, lacking Barkley's hips, feet and lateral agility. He doesn't have Barkley's vision and isn't as elusive.  Two very different players.  Saying he isn't Fournette isn't really a knock on Barkley - in the same way that LeVeon Bell not being Fournette isn't a knock on him.

I'll grant that Barkley looks for the homerun too often - and that he'll need to work on that at the next level.

Have you watched the games you're claiming Barkley underperformed in?  Georgia State is the best example, but the games you mention work as well.  Sure - PSU should win the LOS against a DII school, allowing Barkley to dominate.  But they didn't, and Barkley was hit in the backfield often and had very little room to work.  That's not on Barkley; the same thing would have happened to whoever you put in that situation - Zeke, Fournette, etc.  Barkley's line was trash, and that's especially an issue in an RPO offense.  

If you want to cherry pick game logs to knock him, spend the few minutes it takes to watch his carries in those games.

Those few games the O line didn't perform well. I said Barkley benefitted from a very good offensive line at times. Those games showed he's a benefactor of a better Oline. For the hype this guy is getting I expect this guy to create his own lanes and stuff not get stuffed in the backfield against some cupcake team. 

 

[travdogg]

If I were the GM of all the teams picking in the top-5, then Barkley wouldn't be a top-5 pick. I don't think he's overrated per se, I don't think he's the best prospect in ages, I view he and Elliott as equals, and Gurley was ahead of both pre-knee injury, but he's pretty clearly the best back of this year's or last year's drafts. I simply don't think he's one of the 5 best players in the draft, and that he also plays a position where the supply greatly outweighs the demand.

I don't feel as though that viewpoint makes me a contrarian does it?

 

[Concept Coop]

If I were the GM of all the teams picking in the top-5, then Barkley wouldn't be a top-5 pick. I don't think he's overrated per se, I don't think he's the best prospect in ages, I view he and Elliott as equals, and Gurley was ahead of both pre-knee injury, but he's pretty clearly the best back of this year's or last year's drafts. I simply don't think he's one of the 5 best players in the draft, and that he also plays a position where the supply greatly outweighs the demand.

I don't feel as though that viewpoint makes me a contrarian does it?

Not in my book.  Calling him on par with Zeke and clearly ahead of Fournette is quite the praise.  While I personally don't think there is anyone in this draft better at their position than Barkley is at his, it's certainly reasonable to keep him out of the top 5 with so many quality QBs and a blue chip pass rusher in the mix.

 

[tangfoot]

Why not? 

I value top RB’s over top WR’s. Top RB’s are usually what wins leagues. So yes, I do value 1.01 over Hopkins.

In PPR you should be able to sell Hopkins for Gurley, Zeke or DJ, and probably get the RB side to add to it.  All of those players are worth well more than 1.01.

 

[kutta]

In PPR you should be able to sell Hopkins for Gurley, Zeke or DJ, and probably get the RB side to add to it.  All of those players are worth well more than 1.01.

I disagree on both accounts.

 

[tangfoot]

I disagree on both accounts.

I'm not making this up out of whole cloth, but YMMV.

http://mizelle.net/mfl/2018/

 

[kutta]

I'm not making this up out of whole cloth, but YMMV.

http://mizelle.net/mfl/2018/

Good info.

I still wouldn’t trade Zeke or Gurley straight up for Hopkins. And I wouldn’t give the 1.01 straight up Hopkins.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

In PPR you should be able to sell Hopkins for Gurley, Zeke or DJ, and probably get the RB side to add to it.  All of those players are worth well more than 1.01.

Maybe in theory but in reality I do not think A Gurley or Zeke owner would move them for Hopkins - DJ maybe due to his age and the uncertainty of the offense. I just think the pool of WRs is so much deeper than the RB pool that having a young stud RB trumps even the top WRs right now.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm not making this up out of whole cloth, but YMMV.

http://mizelle.net/mfl/2018/

That doesn't necessarily mean you could pull off those trades in an existing league - those ADPs are also close enough to not be all that meaningful. I'm not saying you are wrong either - I'm sure there are many that would take Hopkins straight up for Gurley. I just don't think it's so cut and dried.

 

[DJackson10]

If I were the GM of all the teams picking in the top-5, then Barkley wouldn't be a top-5 pick. I don't think he's overrated per se, I don't think he's the best prospect in ages, I view he and Elliott as equals, and Gurley was ahead of both pre-knee injury, but he's pretty clearly the best back of this year's or last year's drafts. I simply don't think he's one of the 5 best players in the draft, and that he also plays a position where the supply greatly outweighs the demand.

I don't feel as though that viewpoint makes me a contrarian does it?

I feel theres enough really good RBs in this draft also that no one really NEEDS TO trade up into the top 5 for the Draft for Barkley

 

[Zyphros]

Those few games the O line didn't perform well. I said Barkley benefitted from a very good offensive line at times. Those games showed he's a benefactor of a better Oline. For the hype this guy is getting I expect this guy to create his own lanes and stuff not get stuffed in the backfield against some cupcake team. 

I got a real kick out of your claims of how Fournette was a once in a generation RB and your views on Barkley so thank you for that.  My question is do you expect Barkley to block for himself too the same way Fournette has apparently done since he was a better prospect in your mind?  

Also it's "due to" not "do to".  

 

[DocHolliday]

Barkley is going to be a stud in the NFL.  He looks fantastic running and catching the ball.  He is a physical specimen.  He is fast, quick, and strong.  He is a good kid that works really hard.  Any team that passes on drafting him is going to be sorry.   

 

[az_prof]

Reps I don't give a #### about. I've seen so many athletes who can lift x Amount but then see non athletes do the same amount. I don't care what a freak he is athletically. Doesn't always translate to the next level. A lot of these athletes also don't lift properly either. I've been going to a rehab center do to a weak hip from playing sports when I was younger that has effected my knee on the same side. We talk about sports a lot and he does a lot of sports rehabs. A lot of these injuries athletes are getting aren't freak accident incidents. It's do to how they are lifting as well. Thats great some guy at 230 can do that lifting but how many are doing it correctly? I understand the Vision and Patiences parts of these things but too many people have a circle jerk in sports over athletes athletic ability. We've seen a lot of freak athletes who do well at college who are complete busts at the next level. I'm not saying Barkley is a bust. I just think we use Generation talent as a overkill these days it doesn't mean what it once did. 

If he were a workout warrior, who had a great Combine but hadn't done much on the field in college, I would agree. But he had a top 1% combine PLUS consistent college production in a top 5 conference.  Short of injury he is a Can't Miss prospect. 

In terms of generational, what people are saying is this: if he stays healthy, he will be a Hall of Fame back.  Lots of HOF careers cut short by injuries, so you never know, but he has that type of ability.  How many guys playing now have that kind of ability?  Gurley, Elliot, Fournette.  If you want to be cautious and wait to see some NFL action, then you could reasonably rank all these guys above him.  However, I think you could make the case that his skills are more balanced than any of these guys.  

 

[mcintyre1]

I know the comp has been made before in this thread, but I really do see a lot of similarities in running style and ability between Tomlinson and Barkley. I also saw that one of my favorite youtube analyst guys did a video on Barkley about a month ago: The Film Room Ep. 66: Saquon Barkley - The Next LaDainian Tomlinson. He's always a bit hyperbolic, but it does seem like he knows his stuff (I enjoyed his Quenton Nelson video that came out right after this one as well).

 

[az_prof]

I know the comp has been made before in this thread, but I really do see a lot of similarities in running style and ability between Tomlinson and Barkley. I also saw that one of my favorite youtube analyst guys did a video on Barkley about a month ago: The Film Room Ep. 66: Saquon Barkley - The Next LaDainian Tomlinson. He's always a bit hyperbolic, but it does seem like he knows his stuff (I enjoyed his Quenton Nelson video that came out right after this one as well).

I've been looking at his tape and at other NFL players past and present, and I agree that LT is the best comp.  Barkley has the jukes and wiggle of LT, he sheds tacklers like him, and he has the extra gear.  I think Barry Sanders was faster, and would stop and start and change direction more.  Barkley's catching ability reminds me of one of my favorites--Chuck Foreman--and Forema also was one of the first to use that spin move and he was a good leaper too.

My biggest fear with Barkley: how often he tries to leap over tacklers. That is plain dangerous and it seems like a serious injury waiting to happen.  It will come in great ont he goal line but in the open field....too dangerous.  I also would like to see him lower his head and pick up the three yards and a pile of dust when that is all that is there; he is big enough and strong enough but doesn't seem to do so instinctively.  But hopefully NFL coaching will help with those.

 

[BigTex]

I've been looking at his tape and at other NFL players past and present, and I agree that LT is the best comp.  Barkley has the jukes and wiggle of LT, he sheds tacklers like him, and he has the extra gear.  I think Barry Sanders was faster, and would stop and start and change direction more.  Barkley's catching ability reminds me of one of my favorites--Chuck Foreman--and Forema also was one of the first to use that spin move and he was a good leaper too.

My biggest fear with Barkley: how often he tries to leap over tacklers. That is plain dangerous and it seems like a serious injury waiting to happen.  It will come in great ont he goal line but in the open field....too dangerous.  I also would like to see him lower his head and pick up the three yards and a pile of dust when that is all that is there; he is big enough and strong enough but doesn't seem to do so instinctively.  But hopefully NFL coaching will help with those.

Agreed yet I wouldn’t worry too much about the leaping. Zeke had this same habit as I’m sure it’s instinct but Emmitt reached out to him and urged him to stop. Emmitt explained to him that leaping left him too exposed and could lead to injury. I’m sure someone will urge/coach/train this young man he’s better off keep his feet on the ground.

Tex

 

[-OZ-]

You must be high on Kupp. You can’t possibly value 1.01 above Hopkins.

Many people do. Depending on format I'll probably agree. 

Barkley going to SF wouldn't be a problem. I'd be more afraid of him in TB in terms of lack of success. 

I'm not as concerned about the Bucs. Last year wasn't good but teams bounce back and I still think Winston/Evans are among the best young players at their positions, with Winston it's more that he has the potential to be among the best.  Barkley would help a lot there. 

Not really the subject but I wonder how much a week one bye hurt the bucs last year. Fins too but they also lost their starting QB. 

 

[-OZ-]

. There is no way Cleveland has taken Barkley off their board tho just because they signed Hyde. 

Agreed. I just question whether they would have signed Hyde if they planned to draft Barkley. Cook kind of fell in the Vikings lap, if the Browns wanted Barkley they knew they were in position to draft him. 

Of course things change and maybe signing Hyde was about providing options, but I really don't think the Browns draft Barkley unless they trade down and he falls to them. (Which I don't think happens)

 

[Bfrahm3]

Agreed. I just question whether they would have signed Hyde if they planned to draft Barkley. Cook kind of fell in the Vikings lap, if the Browns wanted Barkley they knew they were in position to draft him. 

Of course things change and maybe signing Hyde was about providing options, but I really don't think the Browns draft Barkley unless they trade down and he falls to them. (Which I don't think happens)

they need him to fall to 4 which most likely happens but then they also have to decide between him and Chubb so Hyde gives them flexibility in who they take. I'm just in the view of signing a decent FA won't really affect my view of a top rookie talent.

Like it seems like a lot of people think they should just take Nick Chubb or Michel at the beginning of the second but yet they don't seem/talk that much about being it being a landing spot like they are if Barkley goes there. Maybe I'm just reading to much into people saying that but Hyde does not scary me at all. Shoot, 9 months ago people thought Matt brieda was gonna take the job from him

 

[az_prof]

I don't see Hyde as a big obstacle to a back like Barkley, but I do see Duke being an above average COP who will take some of the receptions that Barkley would get otherwise.  And the overall lack of competency in Cleveland and the fear that defenses would focus on him are also reasons Cleveland is not my preferred landing spot.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I don't see Hyde as a big obstacle to a back like Barkley, but I do see Duke being an above average COP who will take some of the receptions that Barkley would get otherwise.  And the overall lack of competency in Cleveland and the fear that defenses would focus on him are also reasons Cleveland is not my preferred landing spot.

Haley negates a lot of that for me.

 

[BigTex]

Cleveland has 3 picks in the 2nd round, I can see them drafting Chubb at the 4th spot only to draft Penny or a different back in the 2nd round. Dorsey drafted Hunt in the 3rd round last year I can totally see him trying to duplicate that process this year.

Tex

 

[BigTex]

Haley negates a lot of that for me.

+ Dorsey 

Tex

 

[-OZ-]

they need him to fall to 4 which most likely happens but then they also have to decide between him and Chubb so Hyde gives them flexibility in who they take. I'm just in the view of signing a decent FA won't really affect my view of a top rookie talent.

Like it seems like a lot of people think they should just take Nick Chubb or Michel at the beginning of the second but yet they don't seem/talk that much about being it being a landing spot like they are if Barkley goes there. Maybe I'm just reading to much into people saying that but Hyde does not scary me at all. Shoot, 9 months ago people thought Matt brieda was gonna take the job from him

Hyde shouldn't scare anyone away from a back they like. Although I do think if they draft a back other than Barkley, that rookie isn't going to get much playing time at first. 

If I'm reading his Contract right, he's very cuttable after 2018. 

 

[Tool]

they need him to fall to 4 which most likely happens but then they also have to decide between him and Chubb so Hyde gives them flexibility in who they take. I'm just in the view of signing a decent FA won't really affect my view of a top rookie talent.

Like it seems like a lot of people think they should just take Nick Chubb or Michel at the beginning of the second but yet they don't seem/talk that much about being it being a landing spot like they are if Barkley goes there. Maybe I'm just reading to much into people saying that but Hyde does not scary me at all. Shoot, 9 months ago people thought Matt brieda was gonna take the job from him

And others thought Joe Williams was going to take the job. And they were both wrong.  I could see Barkley as a possibility because of his elite talent. But I think if they pass on Barkley they won't take a RB high.

 

[Bfrahm3]

And others thought Joe Williams was going to take the job. And they were both wrong.  I could see Barkley as a possibility because of his elite talent. But I think if they pass on Barkley they won't take a RB high.

Yeah I'd agree, I'm not saying Hyde is bad. Just that just because the browns signed him doesn't make Cleveland a bad spot for Barkley. I think if guice somehow falls to the second or even late first they may trade up for him but otherwise I would agree they could wait and still get a decent rookie in the third or later to challenge Hyde.

 

[Concept Coop]

And others thought Joe Williams was going to take the job. And they were both wrong.  I could see Barkley as a possibility because of his elite talent. But I think if they pass on Barkley they won't take a RB high.

Joe got hurt, and the same guy who couldn't beat out Latavious (sp?) Murray did take the job.  

 

[Snorkelson]

I think the writing was on the wall when they signed hyde. I don’t see them investing draft capital when they have 2 decent backs already and so many other holes. 

 

[Tool]

Joe got hurt, and the same guy who couldn't beat out Latavious (sp?) Murray did take the job.  

Think it was pretty well known that Williams was placed on IR with a bogus injury. And the second part is false.

 

[Concept Coop]

Think it was pretty well known that Williams was placed on IR with a bogus injury. And the second part is false.

Link?

Mckinnon started a single game last year and got 150 carries.  Murray started 11 and got 216.  

 

[bostonfred]

Free agency happens before the draft so unless they knew a month ago that they were 100% taking Barkley at 1.1, they still needed to cover themselves even if they were hoping to get him at 1.4. So I don't think the Hyde signing necessarily means they won't take Barkley. 

But I don't see the browns as being in the rb market.  I think they're adding the best players they can, and if they can get a super star then they would. But I also think the best pick for them is Chubb. 

The most important thing for them should be winning, not having a flashy offense.  The truth of the matter is that they should have cut Josh Gordon but they couldn't afford to because they needed the talent.  We can argue about what Gordon did and whether he should have been suspended at all and how good he is and so on... but what they really did is spend two years telling his teammates that you can get away with anything here and not get fired. Meanwhile these guys lose games and the veterans tell them hey you need to learn to deal with that, it's a long season and we're going to lose a lot of games.  That's awful. 

Get an offense and a defense that are good enough to win games and get to a point where you can cut a good player without crippling your rebuild and guys will start to pay attention. Get to a point where you're winning games and free agents won't say I'd only play on Cleveland if they paid me a lot more money.   Right now their 53rd guy is a 7th round pick or the best of what's left in free agency, but if players actually wanted to go there they might be able to get a quality veteran to fill that spot instead.  

Barkley gives them flash and he might help them become a playoff offense but they aren't going to have an advantage over the Steelers by matching up a rookie qb vs roethlisberger, Barkley vs bell, Gordon vs a brown, Landry vs juju and Coleman vs Bryant.  But give them an elite d line and pass rush and they have a legitimate strength to work from, and that changes a lot. 

 

[Tool]

Link?

Mckinnon started a single game last year and got 150 carries.  Murray started 11 and got 216.  

Mckinnon and Murray each had defined roles. And Murray's a pretty good player anyway.

Everyone got excited about Wiliams because of the Peter King article and others about how much Shanahan wanted him and moved up in the draft. He was never a threat for the job. And reports are he's a long shot to make the team this year.

 

[DJackson10]

If he were a workout warrior, who had a great Combine but hadn't done much on the field in college, I would agree. But he had a top 1% combine PLUS consistent college production in a top 5 conference.  Short of injury he is a Can't Miss prospect. 

In terms of generational, what people are saying is this: if he stays healthy, he will be a Hall of Fame back.  Lots of HOF careers cut short by injuries, so you never know, but he has that type of ability.  How many guys playing now have that kind of ability?  Gurley, Elliot, Fournette.  If you want to be cautious and wait to see some NFL action, then you could reasonably rank all these guys above him.  However, I think you could make the case that his skills are more balanced than any of these guys.  

A Heck of a lot of people are drooling over his combine and all like it was the best workout ever. Also theres a heck of a lot of guys people say will be good in the NFL but their college production never translates to the next level. Not saying Barkley won't or he'll be a complete bust. I just never liked using Generational talent because it's so over used because it's used to hype up these sports drafts that are becoming their own set of TV Productions and series now. I'm also in an area where people claimed Christian Hackenburg was the next best QB in the NFL. I live in an area where PSU fans are incredible bias and you saw a lot of that with the Sex Scandal and Sandusky. It was almost sickening. I won't get into the faults and all but many of these people were more concerned about how a coach was fired then the kids. Maybe I'm a bit jealous they have a very good prospect or maybe like you said I'm just cautious about prospects. I've hyped myself before on many prospects in my young life only to be incredible disappointed. So maybe you can say I'm also cautious. I also would've liked to of seen more constituency with Barkley against some of the weaker competition. Especially those he needed to be relied on and came up short. 

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I drafted Barkley in my devy league after his freshman year. He didn't get drafted out of high school because he wasn't a 5 star recruit. I've watched almost all his games, or parts of them at least. I'm no expert, and I have no more knowledge than anyone, but I've been following this guy for years, and to me it looked like he took his foot off the gas the 2nd part of the year. All he has to do is think of Marcus Lattimore, or even Chubb and realize it can all go away in a blink. I think he played not to get hurt. Anyone who doesn't think this guy is super talented has probably never heard of him until this year. I do, however agree with those that think the term generational talent is a bit much. You can't call anyone that until they play in the NFL, no matter what.

 

[Hankmoody]

A Heck of a lot of people are drooling over his combine and all like it was the best workout ever. Also theres a heck of a lot of guys people say will be good in the NFL but their college production never translates to the next level. Not saying Barkley won't or he'll be a complete bust. I just never liked using Generational talent because it's so over used because it's used to hype up these sports drafts that are becoming their own set of TV Productions and series now. I'm also in an area where people claimed Christian Hackenburg was the next best QB in the NFL. I live in an area where PSU fans are incredible bias and you saw a lot of that with the Sex Scandal and Sandusky. It was almost sickening. I won't get into the faults and all but many of these people were more concerned about how a coach was fired then the kids. Maybe I'm a bit jealous they have a very good prospect or maybe like you said I'm just cautious about prospects. I've hyped myself before on many prospects in my young life only to be incredible disappointed. So maybe you can say I'm also cautious. I also would've liked to of seen more constituency with Barkley against some of the weaker competition. Especially those he needed to be relied on and came up short. 

Hyperbole much?  Zero people claimed that after his sophomore year.  He looked the part as a freshman but quickly got exposed.  There was a ton of doubt he'd even come out as a junior and when he did he got drafted in the 2nd round.  That's not where generational QB's get drafted.  It's not even where really good QB prospects get drafted.  You are letting personal bias taint your view and are being contrarian for the same reason and each post is worse than the last.

 

[fruity pebbles]

A Heck of a lot of people are drooling over his combine and all like it was the best workout ever. Also theres a heck of a lot of guys people say will be good in the NFL but their college production never translates to the next level. Not saying Barkley won't or he'll be a complete bust. I just never liked using Generational talent because it's so over used because it's used to hype up these sports drafts that are becoming their own set of TV Productions and series now. I'm also in an area where people claimed Christian Hackenburg was the next best QB in the NFL. I live in an area where PSU fans are incredible bias and you saw a lot of that with the Sex Scandal and Sandusky. It was almost sickening. I won't get into the faults and all but many of these people were more concerned about how a coach was fired then the kids. Maybe I'm a bit jealous they have a very good prospect or maybe like you said I'm just cautious about prospects. I've hyped myself before on many prospects in my young life only to be incredible disappointed. So maybe you can say I'm also cautious. I also would've liked to of seen more constituency with Barkley against some of the weaker competition. Especially those he needed to be relied on and came up short. 

We get it. You don’t like Barkley cause he went to PSU.

 

[cobalt_27]

A Heck of a lot of people are drooling over his combine and all like it was the best workout ever. Also theres a heck of a lot of guys people say will be good in the NFL but their college production never translates to the next level. Not saying Barkley won't or he'll be a complete bust. I just never liked using Generational talent because it's so over used because it's used to hype up these sports drafts that are becoming their own set of TV Productions and series now. I'm also in an area where people claimed Christian Hackenburg was the next best QB in the NFL. I live in an area where PSU fans are incredible bias and you saw a lot of that with the Sex Scandal and Sandusky. It was almost sickening. I won't get into the faults and all but many of these people were more concerned about how a coach was fired then the kids. Maybe I'm a bit jealous they have a very good prospect or maybe like you said I'm just cautious about prospects. I've hyped myself before on many prospects in my young life only to be incredible disappointed. So maybe you can say I'm also cautious. I also would've liked to of seen more constituency with Barkley against some of the weaker competition. Especially those he needed to be relied on and came up short. 

So much weirdness in this post

 

[Faust]

Greg Cosell's draft analysis: Saquon Barkley is a great prospect, but not without some faults

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley will turn a bad team into a contender

 

[Grahamburn]

Feeling like he goes to the Colts or Bucs.

 

[Faust]

Report: Charley Casserly would take Saquon Barkley over LT

 

[Aznflyer14]

Report: Charley Casserly would take Saquon Barkley over LT

Though I can understand Casserly's assertion on choosing Barkley over LT but both had similar combine results.   And I recalled how frequent LT's vision being consistently raved as his exceptional attribute prior to 2001 draft and we all know how it fared for him in his HoF career. 

LaDainian Tomlinson: 5’10” 221 lbs
Combine Result
40 Yd: 4.43
Bench: 23
Vert: 40.5”
Broad: 124”
Shuttle: 4.21
3Cone: 6.84

Saquon Barkley: 6’0” 233 lbs
Combine Result
40 Yd: 4.40
Bench: 29
Vert: 41
Broad: N/A
Shuttle: 4.24
3Cone: N/A

 

[Grahamburn]

Report: Charley Casserly would take Saquon Barkley over LT

Just ridiculous.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Just ridiculous.

He’s talking about ranking them coming out of college. Doesn’t seem that crazy to me.

 

[Mingooch]

Maybe he was basing it on playoffs and desire during them.

 

[travdogg]

Feeling like he goes to the Colts or Bucs.

I'm starting to wonder if QB's go 1-2-3, if somebody moves up to Denver's spot for him. Maybe Washington? Maybe even Green Bay with their new aggressive GM?

 

[Concept Coop]

Though I can understand Casserly's assertion on choosing Barkley over LT but both had similar combine results.   And I recalled how frequent LT's vision being consistently raved as his exceptional attribute prior to 2001 draft and we all know how it fared for him in his HoF career. 

LaDainian Tomlinson: 5’10” 221 lbs
Combine Result
40 Yd: 4.43
Bench: 23
Vert: 40.5”
Broad: 124”
Shuttle: 4.21
3Cone: 6.84

Saquon Barkley: 6’0” 233 lbs
Combine Result
40 Yd: 4.40
Bench: 29
Vert: 41
Broad: N/A
Shuttle: 4.24
3Cone: N/A

I think it's hard to compare because the game is different today.  While Tomlinson certainly went on to show his receiving ability, he didn't do it much in college.  And 15+ years ago, that wasn't the big deal it is today.