RB Saquon Barkley, PHI (5 Viewers)

[Grahamburn]

Man I gotta think with what he’s owed he could be had for a 6th. Nobody has to give a premium pick for him. 
 

Also, if the Bucs are going to lay out that kind of money for a RB why not just bring back Lenny? Can’t imagine Saquon is a better player at this point. 

It's a fair point.  Different isn't always better.  The potential of Barkley gaining back his rookie form on a more dynamic offense is probably why I'm interested.

Fournette has been good, but he isn't particularly explosive anymore, and isn't a real threat as a receiver.  He's improved in that area, but can really only be counted on to make the routine check-down grab.  He has managed to stay fairly healthy though. 

 

[Faust]

Speaking Sunday, Giants CEO John Mara said that the team isn't "actively shopping" Saquon Barkley.

It sounds like the Giants didn't wind up with a trade offer they preferred for Barkley at the outset of the offseason. They could clear $7 million in cap space by trading him, but they don't save anything if they release him. It sounds like the Giants are more focused on moving James Bradberry for the cap space they need to sign their rookie class at the moment. Barkley could still be dealt, but it looks more likely that he'll open his fifth-year option season as the Giants starting running back. 

SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter

Mar 27, 2022, 5:26 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Giants RB Saquon Barkley on returning to form after injuries: 'I want to go out there and prove (myself)'

 

[zamboni]

Giants RB Saquon Barkley on returning to form after injuries: 'I want to go out there and prove (myself)'

Well I’m glad he’s not saying I want to go out there and get hurt and underperform again.

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley 'glad' Giants drafted Evan Neal, who shocked him at first glance

 

[Faust]

The Athletic's Dan Duggan expects Saquon Barkley to catch "a ton" of passes in new coach Brian Daboll's offense. 

There are a host of caveats — it is May, these are pad-less practices, this is one man's opinion, etc. etc. — but it is an easy dot to connect. When healthy, Barkley is one of the league's most gifted backfield pass catchers, while Daniel Jones is a quarterback who has never loved to go down the field. Daboll never hesitated to abandon the run in Buffalo, but he can have the best of both worlds in New York, staying pass happy but keeping his running back involved as a viable receiving outlet. Per Duggan, Daboll's offense has featured a "ton of empty sets and pre-snap motion" so far this spring. We can understand why fantasy managers would be out on Barkley after years of injury frustration, but his upside is undeniable in this new system. 

SOURCE: Dan Duggan on Twitter 

May 19, 2022, 3:26 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley expects to be more involved as a receiver this season. 

Everyone observing the Giants' coaching change has expected the same thing, but it is notable for Barkley to confirm those hopes. Barkley's 41 receptions last season were by far his fewest for the 3-of-4 campaigns where he has appeared in at least 13 games. He also averaged a dismal 6.4 yards per grab in the Giants' dysfunctional offense. That was also easily a new career low. With new coach Brian Daboll not one to run the ball just because, focusing on Barkley in the passing game would be an excellent way to make sure a plus weapon stays involved and gets high-quality touches. It helps that Barkley is one of the league's most dangerous receiving backs when healthy. On cue, ESPN's Jordan Raanan tweeted Thursday that Barkley was getting a "ton" of work at receiver in OTAs. "His involvement in the passing game appears on the rise," Raanan observed. Stay healthy, Saquon. 

SOURCE: Josina Anderson on Twitter 

Jun 2, 2022, 2:04 PM ET

 

[Payne]

Ugh. I feel like I am being drawn back in. Took a chance last year and it did not work out well obviously. 

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Ugh. I feel like I am being drawn back in. Took a chance last year and it did not work out well obviously. 

I am in for a try in dynasty.  Paid the 2022 1.8 rookie and two 2nds for him.  RB spot cost me a title last year so I am hoarding them now.

 

[Faust]

Saquon Barkley says his body "feels good" and that he's trusting his knee heading into 2022.

Barkley has had a disappointing two seasons for the Giants after starting his career with back-to-back 1,000-yard performances. He looked like a shell of himself in 2021 after returning from a torn ACL suffered in 2020, but Barkley re-gaining confidence in his knee could spell good things for him and the Giants this season. He has already said that he expects to be more involved in the receiving game this season, but Barkley also needs to rebound from his 162-593-2 (3.7 YPC) rushing line from last season. He will also benefit from improved play along the offensive line after the Giants drafted two offensive linemen in the first three rounds, including Alabama OT Evan Neal with the No. 7 overall pick. If Barkley returns to his old form in 2022 he will be of tremendous value for those taking shots on him and his third-round ADP.

SOURCE: Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter

Jun 8, 2022, 1:33 PM ET

 

[Faust]

Video link:

RB Saquon Barkley on how he's used in new offense

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I have to admit, I'm hoping the Giants are quiet with him in August.  The NYG have simply been a train wreck under Gettleman/Judge.  Yes, it's ironic that part of that train wreck was drafting Barkley at #2.

That said, I really don't see much difference between him and Najee Harris at this point.

 

[YoungDro]

I have to admit, I'm hoping the Giants are quiet with him in August.  The NYG have simply been a train wreck under Gettleman/Judge.  Yes, it's ironic that part of that train wreck was drafting Barkley at #2.

That said, I really don't see much difference between him and Najee Harris at this point.

Whats the basis for that comparison?  Volume?  Or a diminished amount of explosive plays from where Barkley used to be?

 

[TheWinz]

I am gonna give Barkley one more year to see if his head's on straight.  I know he has had ankle problems and an ACL tear, but anyone claiming the talent isn't there is nuts.  His 91-catch rookie season is a RB record, and he is one of only 3 players in history with 2K YFS as a rookie.  His ADP is right around the 2/3 turn at the moment.  I would be thrilled to start with something like Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley, and best WR available.

If you are wondering if the Giants are confident in Barkley for 2022, see below:

NYG RB Depth Chart
Saquon Barkley - Starter
Matt Breida - shined in spurts as a 49'er, 101 total touches the last 2 years with MIA and BUF
Gary Brightwell - 2021 6th rounder; 1 carry (week 3) and 1 reception (week 1) last year
Antonio Williams - 2020 UDFA; played 1 meaningless game for BUF in week 17 of 2020
Sandro Platzgummer - 2020 UDFA; has been on the practice squad the last 2 years 
Jashaun Corbin - 2022 UDFA; NFL.com grades him as "Candidate For Bottom Of Roster Or Practice Squad"
Jeremiah Hall - 2022 UDFA; he's a FB/TE hybrid and is hoping to make the roster as a special teamer

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Whats the basis for that comparison?  Volume?  Or a diminished amount of explosive plays from where Barkley used to be?

Volume for one…is Brieda really going to siphon is sizable load?  OL with Evan Neal seems improved.  Daboll >>> Judge/Garrett.

His ADP will rise quite a bit though the next two months.  We can all read a depth chart and August is the time of year for nostalgic trips down no injury possible lane.

 

[TripItUp]

I like his value in PPR redrafts

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Barkley is getting way too much love from writers this off-season for a dude who’s still on a bad/rebuilding team with a bad QB in cap hell. I could see his redraft ADP rising into the 2nd by late August.

if that happens, I’ll likely avoid him. It’s paid off as a strategy the last few years.  

 

[Yenrub]

Based on reports out of OTA & mini camp he is going to be used heavily in the passing game. There are reports of the Giants lining up Brieda at RB an splitting Saquon out wide or in the slot. They like his route running and hands.

They are also using him in motion much more than they did under Garrett (not just Saquon, many of the WR too) 

 

[TheWinz]

Barkley is getting way too much love from writers this off-season for a dude who’s still on a bad/rebuilding team with a bad QB in cap hell. I could see his redraft ADP rising into the 2nd by late August.

if that happens, I’ll likely avoid him. It’s paid off as a strategy the last few years.  

There is a huge difference between 2.1 and 2.12.  Doubt I would even consider him at the start of the 2nd, but would surely pull the trigger at 2.12.

As for the last few years, are you really going to count 2020, when he went down in week 2 after playing 8 snaps?  Yes, I agree 2021 was a disaster for Barkley, but there would've been no reason to avoid him for the 2020 season.  He ended 2019 on a tear (not ACL, haha), with 539 YFS and the #1 overall RB in the last 3 weeks.

 

[TripItUp]

Barkley is getting way too much love from writers this off-season for a dude who’s still on a bad/rebuilding team with a bad QB in cap hell. I could see his redraft ADP rising into the 2nd by late August.

if that happens, I’ll likely avoid him. It’s paid off as a strategy the last few years.  

 

[Jayded]

Every time this thread is bumped I wonder what he hurt this time. 

 

[The Kerminator]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m not fishing at all. I’m giving an honest opinion on how I feel about Barkley.

If you want plant a flag, by all means make a projection.

I respect the front office & coaching staff NYG brought in, but they’re a team with a ton of holes and a bad QB, and no money to fix it.

And tbh Barkley hasn’t really done anything to deserve lofty draft capital as 25th overall ADP, which I believe will get higher as the hype builds. Just like it did last season.

As such, I have Barkley as a DND.

You're welcome to form an argument if you disagree. Posting a fishing emoji isn’t that, btw. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Exactly. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There is a huge difference between 2.1 and 2.12.  Doubt I would even consider him at the start of the 2nd, but would surely pull the trigger at 2.12.

I don’t disagree. IMO he’ll settle in somewhere around the 2.06-2.08 range. 

Some might even talk themselves into him at 2.03-2.05

it won’t be me, but some might. I was surprised to see him at a PPR ADP of 25th overall. Seems really high. Lenny at 23rd overall seems like a significantly better value. 

As for the last few years, are you really going to count 2020, when he went down in week 2 after playing 8 snaps?  Yes, I agree 2021 was a disaster for Barkley, but there would've been no reason to avoid him for the 2020 season.  He ended 2019 on a tear (not ACL, haha), with 539 YFS and the #1 overall RB in the last 3 weeks.

I’m counting his career. I’m not singling out any year. I’m looking at his track record of performance and reliability.

I’m also looking at what I believe is a 4-7 win Giants team.

I see Barkley as a perennial tease. A player to avoid at his current ADP, much less what it will rise to as the hype builds.

We all have players we trust or don’t trust. He’s one of my dont’s 

 

[TripItUp]

You're welcome to form an argument if you disagree. Posting a fishing emoji isn’t that, btw. 

My argument is that Saquon has #1 overall upside, below are the reasons why.

1) Significantly better coaching staff

2) another year removed from surgery

3) previously demonstrated ability

4) relatively young and low mileage

5) increase receptions expected in new offense

I'm actually high on most Giants relative to ADP, so I'm also a buyer on Golladay, Jones, Toney etc.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

My argument is that Saquon has #1 overall upside,

that’s quite a flag to plant. 

i wholeheartedly disagree. 

I'm actually high on most Giants relative to ADP, so I'm also a buyer on Golladay, Jones, Toney etc.

sounds like a recipe for disaster to me,  but to each their own. Good luck with your Giants.

I’m avoiding that team like the plague in 2022. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Dalvin Cook post ACL tear: 133-615-2 rushing, 40-305-2 receiving

Saquon Barkley post ACL tear: 162-593-2 rushing, 41-263-2 receiving

 

[TheWinz]

I see Barkley as a perennial tease.

2018 - Did he tease or perform?
Barkley's rookie season was 56.4 PPR fantasy points more than the next highest rookie RB this millennium!  He finished as RB2, behind only CMC.  I'd say this counts as PERFORM instead of TEASE.  Do you concur?

2019 - Did he tease or perform?
311 YFS through the first 3 weeks.  Missed weeks 4 thru 6 with an ankle injury.  Came back in week 7 and finished RB5 for the last 10 weeks.  And if your fantasy SB was in week 16, as most are, Saquon had 43.9 PPR FP (22 for 189 rushing, along with 4 for 90 receiving, and 2 TD's).  I'd say this counts as PERFORM instead of TEASE.  Do you concur?

2020 - Did he tease or perform?
Only played 1 game, and 8 snaps of another before tearing his ACL.  In game 1 vs PIT, he stunk it up rushing, but finished with a respectable 12.6 PPR FP due to his 6/60 receiving line.  In game 2 vs CHI, he had 28 yards on 4 carries before crashing and burning.  I'd say this counts as TEASE instead of PERFORM.  Do you concur?

2021 - Did he tease or perform?
I'm not even going to begin to try to candy coat this season.  He blew chunks, finished RB30, and made journeyman Devontae Booker look good.  He looked like he was running scared from week 1, and I still think that's why he reinjured himself.  I'd say this counts as TEASE instead of PERFORM.  Do you concur?

I only wrote this because you said perennial tease.  Perennial means forever, not just the last 2 years.

 

[TheWinz]

I’m also looking at what I believe is a 4-7 win Giants team

The Giants were last in their division at 5-11 when Saquon was RB2.  And who finished RB1?  CMC, on the 7-9 Panthers.

Over the past 4 seasons, 3 of the overall RB1's did not make the playoffs and combined for 21-28
Over the past 4 seasons, 3 of the overall RB2's did not make the playoffs and combined for 21-28

RB's may be the safest of all fantasy positions as it pertains to team record.

 

[Payne]

I feel a championship team can be built with Zeke and Barkley as your RB's this year. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I feel a championship team can be built with Zeke and Barkley as your RB's this year. 

Possible. A 4-11 team could also be built with those 2. 

The Giants were last in their division at 5-11 when Saquon was RB2.  And who finished RB1?  CMC, on the 7-9 Panthers.

Over the past 4 seasons, 3 of the overall RB1's did not make the playoffs and combined for 21-28
Over the past 4 seasons, 3 of the overall RB2's did not make the playoffs and combined for 21-28

RB's may be the safest of all fantasy positions as it pertains to team record.

How’s that worked out for CMC owners the last 2 seasons? 

There are other factors besides record. I mentioned a few of them. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I only wrote this because you said perennial tease.  Perennial means forever, not just the last 2 years.

No, it actually doesn’t mean forever. 
It means “continuously recurring”. 

One plants Zinnias every year. One plants a sage bush once and it continues to live through the winter. 

In this context I’m using the term very specifically to mean that Barkley, the last several years, has been hyped up as a post injury sleeper. His ADP has started too high, and risen higher with off-season hype about status.

By all means, if you’d like to draft him I won’t stop you. But I won’t for the reasons given. 

 

[-OZ-]

that’s quite a flag to plant. 

i wholeheartedly disagree. 

sounds like a recipe for disaster to me,  but to each their own. Good luck with your Giants.

I’m avoiding that team like the plague in 2022. 

he definitely has the upside. Most likely won’t hit it, but it’s within the realm of possible without being completely shocking. 
i generally agree to avoid giants, but I was happy to take him 1.15 in best ball ppr. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Saquon Barkley post ACL tear: 162-593-2 rushing, 41-263-2 receiving

if his ADP rises to the mid-2nd, would those numbers represent a good value? 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

he definitely has the upside. Most likely won’t hit it, but it’s within the realm of possible without being completely shocking. 
i generally agree to avoid giants, but I was happy to take him 1.15 in best ball ppr. 

I’ll never say anything is impossible. I’m just saying it won’t be me drafting him & finding out.

He could be the steal of the draft. Good luck to everyone who drafts him. I hope all your sugar plum dreams come true. 

ETA: best ball seems like a good format to draft him. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

if his ADP rises to the mid-2nd, would those numbers represent a good value? 

Those aren't projections, those are his numbers from his post-ACL tear season (last year), and Cook's numbers from his post ACL tear season.

Two years after his ACL tear, Cook was a top 3 RB.  This year will be Barkley's two years after ACL season.

We'll see if it breaks the same way, but like happened with Cook I think we've gotten somewhat accustomed to the handful of guys that bounce back the year after an ACL and look like the injury never happened, when there are still some guys that play by the old rules of it taking 2 years to really get back to themselves.  I think it's obvious to us that Barkley was not himself last year, and was still struggling with the knee.  We'll see if he bounces back with more trust in the knee.  He's running out of excuses, that's for sure, but it's still not unusual historically if the ACL ends up being a 2 year blip for him like it has been for several other guys in the past, Cook included.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Those aren't projections, those are his numbers from his post-ACL tear season (last year), and Cook's numbers from his post ACL tear season.

Yes, I get that.  I see those numbers as a potential outcome of this season for Barkley. So I’m wondering if owners would be happy with that return as his floor at his ADP. 

Two years after his ACL tear, Cook was a top 3 RB.  This year will be Barkley's two years after ACL season.

We'll see if it breaks the same way, but like happened with Cook I think we've gotten somewhat accustomed to the handful of guys that bounce back the year after an ACL and look like the injury never happened, when there are still some guys that play by the old rules of it taking 2 years to really get back to themselves.  I think it's obvious to us that Barkley was not himself last year, and was still struggling with the knee.  We'll see if he bounces back with more trust in the knee.  He's running out of excuses, that's for sure, but it's still not unusual historically if the ACL ends up being a 2 year blip for him like it has been for several other guys in the past, Cook included.

It’s possible. But looking at the Vikings team Cook came back to and the current Giants team, which player is/was set up for success? 

IIRC, that Vikes team had a better OL, a better QB, better receiving weapons, a proven ability to run the ball (Mattisson was pretty good in relief when Cook was out) and a better defense to keep games close. 

Barkley is coming back to a vastly different situation. Danny Dimes is on his last chance to prove he can play QB at the NFL level, with a team that did not commit to him beyond this year. The Giants are in a tough cap situation, and while I love what ownership has done with front office and coaching, Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Again, I concede it is absolutely possible for Barkley to look great year 2 after his ACL. it does happen. But I’m also looking at the big picture, and the team around him, and his ADP seems a bit high for my tastes.

And I’m getting Déjà vu seeing all the positive reports and glowing hype about how good he looks, and how many passes he might catch this year. The same stuff was being said last year & drove his ADP into the mid-2nd. It’s happening again. 25th overall PPR (current ADP) seems high.

i agree if he comes back and looks like his rookie season, and the Giants OL is better than I expect, and if Daniel Jones isn’t a turnover machine, and if the receivers stay healthy/perform, then he’s going to be a potential league winner. 

Seems like a lot of things have to break right for that ADP to pay off. 

 

[TripItUp]

i agree if he comes back and looks like his rookie season, and the Giants OL is better than I expect, and if Daniel Jones isn’t a turnover machine, and if the receivers stay healthy/perform, then he’s going to be a potential league winner. 

Seems like a lot of things have to break right for that ADP to pay off. 

All those things don't have to happen for Barkley to surpass ADP expectations.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

All those things don't have to happen for Barkley to surpass ADP expectations.

Didn't he score a lot of fantasy points as a rookie when Manning (and the OL) sort of stunk and dumped the ball off to him all the time?

 

[Payne]

Possible. A 4-11 team could also be built with those 2. 

How’s that worked out for CMC owners the last 2 seasons? 

There are other factors besides record. I mentioned a few of them. 

We all get it. You're down on him. That's what makes this hobby so great. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Didn't he score a lot of fantasy points as a rookie when Manning (and the OL) sort of stunk and dumped the ball off to him all the time?

He also had good production with Danny Dimes once upon a time. ~1500 APY, 52 receptions. 

The year was 2019.

The Giants had a better roster, IMO. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

We all get it. You're down on him. That's what makes this hobby so great. 

weird appeal to the masses, but ok.

I’m down on his situation a bit more than I’m down on him. But yes, I’m also down on him at his ADP.

If he was going in the late 3rd/early 4th I’d be a buyer. Context is important. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All those things don't have to happen for Barkley to surpass ADP expectations.

I actually didn’t say they all had to happen. I specifically said “a lot of things have to break right”. I also listed some of the things. 

At a bare minimum 

• Has to return to form 

• OL has to show it can block well. 

• Jones has to throw the ball to Barkley for him to get receptions.

so what’s your minimum projection to justify what will likely be a late 2nd round selection then?  Very curious what an acceptable floor would be for you. Even at 25th overall it’s would seem like quite a few of those things would have to happen for Barkley to be as worthy of that selection.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

He also had good production with Danny Dimes once upon a time. ~1500 APY, 52 receptions. 

The year was 2019.

The Giants had a better roster, IMO. 

Fair enough. My point is that he has proven that he can get points in a crappy offense. It's not ideal but he has shown it due to his pass receiving skills. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fair enough. My point is that he has proven that he can get points in a crappy offense. It's not ideal but he has shown it due to his pass receiving skills. 

Absolutely true. I never argued he couldn’t.

But it’s also true that was several years, and several injuries ago.

The Giants aren’t the same team, and Daniel Jones has regressed since that season. 

My point wasn’t that Barkley can’t possibly perform well in 2022. He could.  My point is that the shine should have faded on him far more than his 3.01 redraft ADP represents, IMO. And that there are significant barriers to him being the #1 RB as Trip believes he can be.

I’ll comment more when I see that team in the preseason.

 

[TripItUp]

Absolutely true. I never argued he couldn’t.

But it’s also true that was several years, and several injuries ago.

The Giants aren’t the same team, and Daniel Jones has regressed since that season. 

My point wasn’t that Barkley can’t possibly perform well in 2022. He could.  My point is that the shine should have faded on him far more than his 3.01 redraft ADP represents, IMO. And that there are significant barriers to him being the #1 RB as Trip believes he can be.

I’ll comment more when I see that team in the preseason.

you don't want him at his ADP...will be fun to revisit this in 9 months.

 

[humpback]

Dalvin Cook post ACL tear: 133-615-2 rushing, 40-305-2 receiving

Saquon Barkley post ACL tear: 162-593-2 rushing, 41-263-2 receiving

I can't tell which "side" this favors...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I can't tell which "side" this favors...

I think his point was that Barkley and Cook both struggled the year after their ACL tears - but look what Cook has done since.

 

[humpback]

I think his point was that Barkley and Cook both struggled the year after their ACL tears - but look what Cook has done since.

That's what I would guess too, but while they both struggled with health the year after, Cook was much more effective when he played.