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RB Tarik Cohen, NYJ (2 Viewers)

Dr. Dan said:
Anyone thinking of throwing him into their lineups this next week? NO's offense can move the ball, which I would imagine Chicago would be throwing more as a result. Cohen is their play maker, but just not getting the touches... 

But then again we've seen Fox run the ball down 2-3 scores

 
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It's between him and Richard 

 
kyoun1e said:
No way.

Plenty of data showing McKinnon is a key part of the MN offense.

Who knows if Mitch even throws the ball. Or if Cunningham steals touches. 
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The logical, conservative part of me agrees.

The risk taker says Cohen could explode again and I need the big points. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
Anyone thinking of throwing him into their lineups this next week? NO's offense can move the ball, which I would imagine Chicago would be throwing more as a result. Cohen is their play maker, but just not getting the touches... 

But then again we've seen Fox run the ball down 2-3 scores

 
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I wouldn't count on Chicago throwing more for any reason. Fox is a moron. I also don't think New Orleans will be moving the ball well against Chicago. The D is destroying folks right now 

 
no, no, and no. Of course, this is dependent on your options but there have already been multiple game negative game scripts where they didn't use Cohen much so to bank on this being one is a real roll of the dice. Should they use him more? Probably so, but I'm not an NFL coach and more importantly, I don't coach the Bears.

 
I'm rolling him out in a few leagues over some pretty decent other flex options (Powell, Coleman, Kearse, Lewis etc.).  Not that I don't share the same concerns of some posters being pessimistic this week because of John Fox or Benny Cunningham inexplicably cutting in, I just think this is the perfect game for him.  On the turf in the dome in a likely up hill battle where there will likely be several dump off passes.  I think he's a lock for double digit points with upside.  

 
-OZ- said:
The logical, conservative part of me agrees.

The risk taker says Cohen could explode again and I need the big points. 
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McKinnon certainly capable of explosive plays as well. 

The Browns may have a better run defense than New Orleans, but the Saints offense certainly better than the Browns.

Howard>Murray

Any given Sunday and all that but I think you should tell the risk taker to take a day off here.

 
Widbil83 said:
I'm rolling him out in a few leagues over some pretty decent other flex options (Powell, Coleman, Kearse, Lewis etc.).  Not that I don't share the same concerns of some posters being pessimistic this week because of John Fox or Benny Cunningham inexplicably cutting in, I just think this is the perfect game for him.  On the turf in the dome in a likely up hill battle where there will likely be several dump off passes.  I think he's a lock for double digit points with upside.  
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I wish I shared your projections. I don't know what to think about this guy anymore

 
Well, due to IR syndrome of ALL my first 3-4 round picks, I have no choice, really... 

I need to hit homeruns to make the playoffs, so this is one of them. 

 
All of you starting him, do you know if Cunningham has practiced?

Again, this would be key info. If he's active, trouble.

 
Biabreakable said:
McKinnon certainly capable of explosive plays as well. 

The Browns may have a better run defense than New Orleans, but the Saints offense certainly better than the Browns.

Howard>Murray

Any given Sunday and all that but I think you should tell the risk taker to take a day off here.
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:excited: good call.  (I started McKinnon)

 
I wish I could tell you. I dud just trade for Cohen because you know Howard is going down at some point. It is written. Schedule is fairly friendly too.

 
NREC34 said:
Cunningham would start if it happens. 
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I'm confident Cunningham would leave a lot to be desired, if he did start.  If nothing else, I highly, highly doubt they'd have nearly the success they're currently having with Howard running Cunningham into stacked boxes 25 times a game.

 
I think the Bears are going to pass more this week and if they're smart they'll get Cohen involved more in the passing game again.  Hoping he has a big game.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
That is a very good point.  They have been saying that they want to throw the ball more this week so at least they are acknowledging it for once.
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I have just been baffled that Cohen is misused so badly.  You can see from just watching a couple minutes with him on the field he is the most explosive player they have by a long ways.  He should be on the field all the time and should touch the ball 10-15 times a game at a minimum.  I would have him and Howard on the field together most of the time. 

 
I'm between Cohen and Crowell and Abdullah this week. Need to pick 2. I'd love to start Cohen. Common sense says that Cohen is the best play in my PPR league since Chicago should pass the ball. However, last time they played GB they were losing badly and Fox ran the ball down 3 scores. This game should be mre in reach, so I can expect Chicago to pass right? I don't know... 

If I were betting on Cohen I'd be playing him. Because,again, common sense says Cohen should be involved more. But I'm betting on Fox. Cohen has consistently played less and less over the season- or been less involved is more accurate. I'd like to think they used the bye week to get him more involved, but again, that's common sense. With Fox you almost need to just expect the opposite of what common sense would be. 

Still torn. Still might start him over Abdullah. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
I'm between Cohen and Crowell and Abdullah this week. Need to pick 2. I'd love to start Cohen. Common sense says that Cohen is the best play in my PPR league since Chicago should pass the ball. However, last time they played GB they were losing badly and Fox ran the ball down 3 scores. This game should be mre in reach, so I can expect Chicago to pass right? I don't know... 

If I were betting on Cohen I'd be playing him. Because,again, common sense says Cohen should be involved more. But I'm betting on Fox. Cohen has consistently played less and less over the season- or been less involved is more accurate. I'd like to think they used the bye week to get him more involved, but again, that's common sense. With Fox you almost need to just expect the opposite of what common sense would be. 

Still torn. Still might start him over Abdullah. 
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I would not ever start Cohen at this point in the season unless they prove they will use him.  His touches are just so small that his potential for bust is much, much higher than his potential for boom.  He definitely has the skill that even on one touch he can be productive (see Carolina Game - 1 rec, 70 yds) but I wouldn't risk the likelihood of 1 catch for 7 yds and 2 rushes for 4 yds.  This is the most likely scenario unless they stop using Cunningham. 

All of Cohens good games came at the beginning of the season when Cunningham was injured.  Since he has been back they have really diminished Cohen's opportunities and because of that when he does get the ball he tries to hard to make something happen so he usually turns it into a negative play.  Bottom line is I wouldn't start Cohen unless his usage changes first.

 
Don't forget that they had Glennon at QB in those earlier games when Cohen was being used.  As soon as Trubisky took over they changed the offense and went more run heavy.

 
Good points. One question to ponder, and maybe more for dynasty purposes, but as mentioned above if Howard went down Cunningham would be expected to do more (I agree with that)

Is Cohen too small to be a featured back? Why can't he be a featured back? 

 
Rolling him out for the first time in weeks. I just have a gut feeling. May be indigestion but I'm starting him over CJA, Booker, Dion, and Fuller. Again no evidence Fox knows where he is let alone what he's doing but going with it.

 
Dr. Dan said:
Good points. One question to ponder, and maybe more for dynasty purposes, but as mentioned above if Howard went down Cunningham would be expected to do more (I agree with that)

Is Cohen too small to be a featured back? Why can't he be a featured back? 
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Cohen isn't a small back.  He is a short back.  He has power and can take a hit as well as knowing how to avoid with his quickness.  I was surprised by his strength as I was expecting a Tavon Austin type.  I don't think he could be a 25 carry a week RB but if you play to his strengths (space) he could be a 10 carry/5-10 reception RB without an issue. 

The biggest problem for him now is that his snap counts have been minor and when he is in the defense keys on him.  His touches over the last few games have been 10, 7, 15, 1, and 8.  They have been in situations where the defense can key on him.  He needs to be utilized better and that starts with being on the field more. 

 
Gally said:
Cohen isn't a small back.  He is a short back.  He has power and can take a hit as well as knowing how to avoid with his quickness.  I was surprised by his strength as I was expecting a Tavon Austin type.  I don't think he could be a 25 carry a week RB but if you play to his strengths (space) he could be a 10 carry/5-10 reception RB without an issue. 

The biggest problem for him now is that his snap counts have been minor and when he is in the defense keys on him.  His touches over the last few games have been 10, 7, 15, 1, and 8.  They have been in situations where the defense can key on him.  He needs to be utilized better and that starts with being on the field more. 
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He's a hold in dynasty. New coach coming......could you imagine him being used like Chris Thompson in Washington? He'd be a top 8ish RB in PPR. 

 
Gally said:
Cohen isn't a small back.  He is a short back.  He has power and can take a hit as well as knowing how to avoid with his quickness.  I was surprised by his strength as I was expecting a Tavon Austin type.  I don't think he could be a 25 carry a week RB but if you play to his strengths (space) he could be a 10 carry/5-10 reception RB without an issue. 

The biggest problem for him now is that his snap counts have been minor and when he is in the defense keys on him.  His touches over the last few games have been 10, 7, 15, 1, and 8.  They have been in situations where the defense can key on him.  He needs to be utilized better and that starts with being on the field more. 
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agree with all of this, but the answer is yes he's not built to be a feature back (NFL, not fantasy) and no way he becomes one for any team at his size imo. closest comparison i can find right now is MJD, who was about an inch taller but played at 205+ pounds to cohen's listed 181. just don't think cohen can take the pounding for a true feature back. i think the bolded prediction on your part is spot on for his ceiling, which would still be a good starting RB in PPR. just not with the bears while howard is upright. i have him on my roster as a backup to howard, but my league isn't PPR so his value really isn't that high.

 
Wk 1 28 offensive snaps 41.8% 5 rushing attempts 66 yards 12 targets 8 receptions 47 yards 1 TD

Wk 2 40 offensive snaps 62.5% 7 rushing attempts 13 yards 9 targets 8 receptions 55 yards 

Wk 3 28 offensive snaps 43.1% 12 rushing attempts 78 yards 4 targets 4 receptions 24 yards 

Wk 4 18 offensive snaps 26.5% 6 rushing attempts 24 yards 4 targets 4 receptions 24 yards 

Wk 5 17 offensive snaps 27.9% 6 rushing attempts 13 yards 1 target 1 reception -1 yards 

Wk 6 26 offensive snaps 32.5% 14 rushing attempts 32 yards 3 targets 1 reception 12 yards 

Wk 7  7 offensive snaps 18.4% 0 rushing attempts 0 yards 3 target 1 receptions 70 yards 

Wk 8 18 offensive snaps 26.9% 4 rushing attempts 2 yards 3 targets 1 reception 6 yards 

Average 22.8 offensive snaps 36% 6.8 rushing attempts 28.5 yards 4.9 targets 3.5 receptions 30 yards

Average last 4 weeks 17 offensive snaps 6 rushing attempts 11.8 yards 2.5 targets 1 reception 21.8 yards

I just dont see how anyone could be considering starting a guy who is averaging 30 yards per game over the last 4 games and most of that coming off of one big play.

 
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Yep.  My early-season excitement for a potential flex option gradually ebbed to a Howard handcuff.

I dropped Cohen the moment after clicking Accept to deal Howard away.

 
I'm actually debating dropping him for Maclin just because he's my RB5. I think there's definitely something there but won't materialize until Howard goes down.

 
Bears should pay attention to what Chris Thompson is doing for an otherwise average Cousins right now...so stupid not to use a RB like this as a safety valve for your rookie QB...let him be a dump-off machine if his initial read isn't there, if he really isn't ready for a bigger role in the offense. 

 
Biabreakable said:
Thats the main thing is Jordan Howard is too good for Cohen to get enough opportunity in this offense.
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That seems to be the case but there's really no good reason that Cohen isn't the number two player in that offense and their top receiver. Other than the coach isn't willing or able to make it work. He doesn't need to be the feature back, he has the ability to be a sproles/woodhead or Chris Thompson type, which is good enough in ppr. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Bears should pay attention to what Chris Thompson is doing for an otherwise average Cousins right now...so stupid not to use a RB like this as a safety valve for your rookie QB...let him be a dump-off machine if his initial read isn't there, if he really isn't ready for a bigger role in the offense. 
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-OZ- said:
That seems to be the case but there's really no good reason that Cohen isn't the number two player in that offense and their top receiver. Other than the coach isn't willing or able to make it work. He doesn't need to be the feature back, he has the ability to be a sproles/woodhead or Chris Thompson type, which is good enough in ppr. 
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I hold the opinion that this type of play calling is one big reason cousins is successful today

 
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-OZ- said:
That seems to be the case but there's really no good reason that Cohen isn't the number two player in that offense and their top receiver. Other than the coach isn't willing or able to make it work. He doesn't need to be the feature back, he has the ability to be a sproles/woodhead or Chris Thompson type, which is good enough in ppr. 
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I certainly think he could be as we saw for the first 3 weeks of this season.

However Fox wants to run the ball with Howard and control the clock. Its something that has worked for them as well, they have won some games that way.

I don't think they can use both of them is the problem here. Thompson has been playing a lot more snaps than Cohen has and Washington has a much more developed passing game than the Bears do with other weapons to keep defenses from focusing on Thompson. Washington isn't really happy with their other RB or they wouldn't be using Thompson as much as they have this year. See last year and the coaches comments about that.

Perhaps eventually that will happen, Cohen being used more, like next season or further down the road, but I don't expect that as long as Howard is healthy and Fox is the HC.

To use Cohen like you are talking about means not using Howard, and I don't think that is a good idea either.

 
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Biabreakable said:
I certainly think he could be as we saw for the first 3 weeks of this season.

However Fox wants to run the ball with Howard and control the clock. Its something that has worked for them as well, they have won some games that way.

I don't think they can use both of them is the problem here. Thompson has been playing a lot more snaps than Cohen has and Washington has a much more developed passing game than the Bears do with other weapons to keep defenses from focusing on Thompson. Washington isn't really happy with their other RB or they wouldn't be using Thompson as much as they have this year. See last year and the coaches comments about that.

Perhaps eventually that will happen, Cohen being used more, like next season or further down the road, but I don't expect that as long as Howard is healthy and Fox is the HC.

To use Cohen like you are talking about means not using Howard, and I don't think that is a good idea either.
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Not really. It means not giving Tanner Gentry 97% of the snaps, or McBride 63%

 
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