RB Travis Etienne, JAX (3 Viewers)

[travdogg]

This is obvious. No way they are going out with ETN and Hasty again next year.

I like Etienne, but there is certainly a part of me that could see him being challenged for the starting job this offseason. Seemed like he got pulled in important situations way too much to think he's got a lot of job security. Not saying its a major priority, but if the right guy falls in the draft or the right vet comes around for the right price (maybe Damien Harris) I could see Etienne in a somewhat similar situation to the one he began last season in.

I guess. Aaron Jones was the only regularly used RB with a higher ypc and it was only ETN’s first season. But sure I guess he could be in danger.

Etienne had his moments and was a good runner, albeit more boom/bust than most (which isn't a knock, Pollard and Walker were even more) but he was downright bad in the passing game (which was supposed to be a strength) and it seemed like they didn't trust him in many key situations, despite the other guy being Hasty, who might not be a lock to make the team next year.

I'm not saying Etienne will suddenly be a backup, but I do think he could be in a D'Andre Swift situation, and possibly with somebody better than Jamaal Williams. I just wonder if it might not be a good time to get out on Etienne while he's coming off a nice season and is seemingly the unchallenged starter for an offense on the rise.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is obvious. No way they are going out with ETN and Hasty again next year.

I like Etienne, but there is certainly a part of me that could see him being challenged for the starting job this offseason. Seemed like he got pulled in important situations way too much to think he's got a lot of job security. Not saying its a major priority, but if the right guy falls in the draft or the right vet comes around for the right price (maybe Damien Harris) I could see Etienne in a somewhat similar situation to the one he began last season in.

I don’t think it matters who they bring in, so long as ETN is getting his ~15 touches, and 4-6 of those are receptions.

They eased him back from Lisfranc and they increased his workload with excellent results.

I see no danger of ETN losing his job. He has his college QB throwing him the ball and he’s a ridiculously talented player. Jags likely want to keep him fresh, ala the plan for Swift.

I’m excited for ETN in 2023, and fully expected them to bring in another back. If anything Hasty is probably in jeopardy.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is obvious. No way they are going out with ETN and Hasty again next year.

I like Etienne, but there is certainly a part of me that could see him being challenged for the starting job this offseason. Seemed like he got pulled in important situations way too much to think he's got a lot of job security. Not saying its a major priority, but if the right guy falls in the draft or the right vet comes around for the right price (maybe Damien Harris) I could see Etienne in a somewhat similar situation to the one he began last season in.

I guess. Aaron Jones was the only regularly used RB with a higher ypc and it was only ETN’s first season. But sure I guess he could be in danger.

Etienne had his moments and was a good runner, albeit more boom/bust than most (which isn't a knock, Pollard and Walker were even more) but he was downright bad in the passing game (which was supposed to be a strength) and it seemed like they didn't trust him in many key situations, despite the other guy being Hasty, who might not be a lock to make the team next year.

I'm not saying Etienne will suddenly be a backup, but I do think he could be in a D'Andre Swift situation, and possibly with somebody better than Jamaal Williams. I just wonder if it might not be a good time to get out on Etienne while he's coming off a nice season and is seemingly the unchallenged starter for an offense on the rise.

Couldn’t disagree more.

He finished the season going 19/103 with 2/3 for 24, then 22/83 against a tough Jets D, with another 3 receptions. Then week 17 he was 9/108/1 with 3/32

Then in the playoffs divisional round he busted out 20/109 with 1 reception, followed by 10/62/1 with 3 more receptions.

Average those numbers over 5 games, 80 rushes for 465, 14 receptions for 105

• 16 rushes/game for 93 RuYd
• 2.8 rec for 21 ReYd
• .4 TD/GM

I didn’t include week 18, as I don’t think the starters played the whole game. If I’m mistaken, please do correct me.

But that 5 game stretch told me
1. They trust ETN with a heavy workload where they didn’t early in the year.
2. 18-19 touches/game gives him RB1 upside, but he’s more likely a RB2 for FF purposes. (Not overall, for a FF build)

That OL was pretty rough, too. 15th overall, but dead last in PFF run blocking grade. I’m assuming this will be an area of focus for the jags this off-season.

ETA: averaged for a 17 game season, that 5-game end of season stretch looks like this:

1581 RuYd on 272 rushes
47.6 receptions for 357 yards
7 TDs

Pretty respectable numbers. If he does even 85% of those numbers he’s gonna be a very valuable FF asset.

 

[travdogg]

This is obvious. No way they are going out with ETN and Hasty again next year.

I like Etienne, but there is certainly a part of me that could see him being challenged for the starting job this offseason. Seemed like he got pulled in important situations way too much to think he's got a lot of job security. Not saying its a major priority, but if the right guy falls in the draft or the right vet comes around for the right price (maybe Damien Harris) I could see Etienne in a somewhat similar situation to the one he began last season in.

I guess. Aaron Jones was the only regularly used RB with a higher ypc and it was only ETN’s first season. But sure I guess he could be in danger.

Etienne had his moments and was a good runner, albeit more boom/bust than most (which isn't a knock, Pollard and Walker were even more) but he was downright bad in the passing game (which was supposed to be a strength) and it seemed like they didn't trust him in many key situations, despite the other guy being Hasty, who might not be a lock to make the team next year.

I'm not saying Etienne will suddenly be a backup, but I do think he could be in a D'Andre Swift situation, and possibly with somebody better than Jamaal Williams. I just wonder if it might not be a good time to get out on Etienne while he's coming off a nice season and is seemingly the unchallenged starter for an offense on the rise.

Couldn’t disagree more.

He finished the season going 19/103 with 2/3 for 24, then 22/83 against a tough Jets D, with another 3 receptions. Then week 17 he was 9/108/1 with 3/32

Then in the playoffs divisional round he busted out 20/109 with 1 reception, followed by 10/62/1 with 3 more receptions.

Average those numbers over 5 games, 80 rushes for 465, 14 receptions for 105

• 16 rushes/game for 93 RuYd
• 2.8 rec for 21 ReYd
• .4 TD/GM

I didn’t include week 18, as I don’t think the starters played the whole game. If I’m mistaken, please do correct me.

But that 5 game stretch told me
1. They trust ETN with a heavy workload where they didn’t early in the year.
2. 18-19 touches/game gives him RB1 upside, but he’s more likely a RB2 for FF purposes. (Not overall, for a FF build)

That OL was pretty rough, too. 15th overall, but dead last in PFF run blocking grade. I’m assuming this will be an area of focus for the jags this off-season.

ETA: averaged for a 17 game season, that 5-game end of season stretch looks like this:

1581 RuYd on 272 rushes
47.6 receptions for 357 yards
7 TDs

Pretty respectable numbers. If he does even 85% of those numbers he’s gonna be a very valuable FF asset.

The starters 100% played the whole game in week 18, it was win or go home if you recall with the Titans. I don't see Etienne flirting with 300 touches at all. He was worked during that 5 game stretch, but he got pulled at some times that are concerning to me. 3rd downs and GL especially.

Again, I like Etienne as a player, I just think its a good time to get out. If Etienne+ can get a big upgrade elsewhere (say Etienne+WR2 for WR1) I'd pull that trigger. I'd say the same thing about Swift, whom I like less than Etienne.

I don't do rankings this early for obvious reasons, but I'm guessing I'll have Etienne somewhere around RB15-21

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This is obvious. No way they are going out with ETN and Hasty again next year.

I like Etienne, but there is certainly a part of me that could see him being challenged for the starting job this offseason. Seemed like he got pulled in important situations way too much to think he's got a lot of job security. Not saying its a major priority, but if the right guy falls in the draft or the right vet comes around for the right price (maybe Damien Harris) I could see Etienne in a somewhat similar situation to the one he began last season in.

I guess. Aaron Jones was the only regularly used RB with a higher ypc and it was only ETN’s first season. But sure I guess he could be in danger.

Etienne had his moments and was a good runner, albeit more boom/bust than most (which isn't a knock, Pollard and Walker were even more) but he was downright bad in the passing game (which was supposed to be a strength) and it seemed like they didn't trust him in many key situations, despite the other guy being Hasty, who might not be a lock to make the team next year.

I'm not saying Etienne will suddenly be a backup, but I do think he could be in a D'Andre Swift situation, and possibly with somebody better than Jamaal Williams. I just wonder if it might not be a good time to get out on Etienne while he's coming off a nice season and is seemingly the unchallenged starter for an offense on the rise.

Couldn’t disagree more.

He finished the season going 19/103 with 2/3 for 24, then 22/83 against a tough Jets D, with another 3 receptions. Then week 17 he was 9/108/1 with 3/32

Then in the playoffs divisional round he busted out 20/109 with 1 reception, followed by 10/62/1 with 3 more receptions.

Average those numbers over 5 games, 80 rushes for 465, 14 receptions for 105

• 16 rushes/game for 93 RuYd
• 2.8 rec for 21 ReYd
• .4 TD/GM

I didn’t include week 18, as I don’t think the starters played the whole game. If I’m mistaken, please do correct me.

But that 5 game stretch told me
1. They trust ETN with a heavy workload where they didn’t early in the year.
2. 18-19 touches/game gives him RB1 upside, but he’s more likely a RB2 for FF purposes. (Not overall, for a FF build)

That OL was pretty rough, too. 15th overall, but dead last in PFF run blocking grade. I’m assuming this will be an area of focus for the jags this off-season.

ETA: averaged for a 17 game season, that 5-game end of season stretch looks like this:

1581 RuYd on 272 rushes
47.6 receptions for 357 yards
7 TDs

Pretty respectable numbers. If he does even 85% of those numbers he’s gonna be a very valuable FF asset.

The starters 100% played the whole game in week 18, it was win or go home if you recall with the Titans. I don't see Etienne flirting with 300 touches at all. He was worked during that 5 game stretch, but he got pulled at some times that are concerning to me. 3rd downs and GL especially.

Again, I like Etienne as a player, I just think its a good time to get out. If Etienne+ can get a big upgrade elsewhere (say Etienne+WR2 for WR1) I'd pull that trigger. I'd say the same thing about Swift, whom I like less than Etienne.

I don't do rankings this early for obvious reasons, but I'm guessing I'll have Etienne somewhere around RB15-21

Like I said - take 85% of those numbers.

That’s a very reasonable 231 rushes for 1343 yards
40 receptions for 303
6 TD (5.95)

He doesn’t need to flirt with 300 touches to be a top 12 FF back - and probably at the price of a 15-18 guy, as I believe many will rate him like you.

I see ETN as a buy low. You see him as a sell high.

 

[travdogg]

This is obvious. No way they are going out with ETN and Hasty again next year.

I like Etienne, but there is certainly a part of me that could see him being challenged for the starting job this offseason. Seemed like he got pulled in important situations way too much to think he's got a lot of job security. Not saying its a major priority, but if the right guy falls in the draft or the right vet comes around for the right price (maybe Damien Harris) I could see Etienne in a somewhat similar situation to the one he began last season in.

I guess. Aaron Jones was the only regularly used RB with a higher ypc and it was only ETN’s first season. But sure I guess he could be in danger.

Etienne had his moments and was a good runner, albeit more boom/bust than most (which isn't a knock, Pollard and Walker were even more) but he was downright bad in the passing game (which was supposed to be a strength) and it seemed like they didn't trust him in many key situations, despite the other guy being Hasty, who might not be a lock to make the team next year.

I'm not saying Etienne will suddenly be a backup, but I do think he could be in a D'Andre Swift situation, and possibly with somebody better than Jamaal Williams. I just wonder if it might not be a good time to get out on Etienne while he's coming off a nice season and is seemingly the unchallenged starter for an offense on the rise.

Couldn’t disagree more.

He finished the season going 19/103 with 2/3 for 24, then 22/83 against a tough Jets D, with another 3 receptions. Then week 17 he was 9/108/1 with 3/32

Then in the playoffs divisional round he busted out 20/109 with 1 reception, followed by 10/62/1 with 3 more receptions.

Average those numbers over 5 games, 80 rushes for 465, 14 receptions for 105

• 16 rushes/game for 93 RuYd
• 2.8 rec for 21 ReYd
• .4 TD/GM

I didn’t include week 18, as I don’t think the starters played the whole game. If I’m mistaken, please do correct me.

But that 5 game stretch told me
1. They trust ETN with a heavy workload where they didn’t early in the year.
2. 18-19 touches/game gives him RB1 upside, but he’s more likely a RB2 for FF purposes. (Not overall, for a FF build)

That OL was pretty rough, too. 15th overall, but dead last in PFF run blocking grade. I’m assuming this will be an area of focus for the jags this off-season.

ETA: averaged for a 17 game season, that 5-game end of season stretch looks like this:

1581 RuYd on 272 rushes
47.6 receptions for 357 yards
7 TDs

Pretty respectable numbers. If he does even 85% of those numbers he’s gonna be a very valuable FF asset.

The starters 100% played the whole game in week 18, it was win or go home if you recall with the Titans. I don't see Etienne flirting with 300 touches at all. He was worked during that 5 game stretch, but he got pulled at some times that are concerning to me. 3rd downs and GL especially.

Again, I like Etienne as a player, I just think its a good time to get out. If Etienne+ can get a big upgrade elsewhere (say Etienne+WR2 for WR1) I'd pull that trigger. I'd say the same thing about Swift, whom I like less than Etienne.

I don't do rankings this early for obvious reasons, but I'm guessing I'll have Etienne somewhere around RB15-21

Like I said - take 85% of those numbers.

That’s a very reasonable 231 rushes for 1343 yards
40 receptions for 303
6 TD (5.95)

He doesn’t need to flirt with 300 touches to be a top 12 FF back - and probably at the price of a 15-18 guy, as I believe many will rate him like you.

I see ETN as a buy low. You see him as a sell high.

The bolded is true. I see your 85%, although, I don't see that 5.8 YPC holding up at all. I'd shave about 200 yards off of that, which would still be a 5.0 YPC.

But now what happens if/when the other RB is a lot better than Hasty?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But now what happens if/when the other RB is a lot better than Hasty?

It’s a complete hypothetical. I’ll answer that if/when it happens. He could be equal to or less than Hasty. He could be a threat only to Hasty’s touches. He could simply be a Hasty replacement and the division of labor could be the same as it’s been.

So long as ETN’s role is similar to what it was last season, he’s going to be fine.

As for his YPC, you might want to look at his college numbers. And again, he did that running behind arguably the worst run blocking OL in the NFL. His YPC could improve if the OL improves.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But now what happens if/when the other RB is a lot better than Hasty?

Is this RB a lot better than ETN? That seems more important than if he's better than Hasty.

When are people going to accept that most RBs are not getting Henry/CMc type backfield domination?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If Etienne+ can get a big upgrade elsewhere (say Etienne+WR2 for WR1) I'd pull that trigger.

WR1s are much easier to find than RB1s - giving away a RB1/RB2 in order to upgrade a bit at WR seems like bad strategy given the current NFL landscape.

 

[zamboni]

Some comments already in the Bigsby thread, but bringing the discussion relating to ETN here.

I know little about Tank, but seems like he’s more of a complementary hammer type that could fill the role Robinson was expected to last year.

A bit too premature to say the sky is falling, but initially not a good look for ETN owners.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Some comments already in the Bigsby thread, but bringing the discussion relating to ETN here.

I know little about Tank, but seems like he’s more of a complementary hammer type that could fill the role Robinson was expected to last year.

A bit too premature to say the sky is falling, but initially not a good look for ETN owners.

I didn’t love the pick but I expected it. JAC was bound to take a Robinson replacement. ETN is not a bruiser. Tank isn’t much of a receiver (he can catch but it’s not his strength).

This seems like. More of a threat to Hasty than ETN. Not too concerned about ETN’s value, barring injury.

 

[zamboni]

Some comments already in the Bigsby thread, but bringing the discussion relating to ETN here.

I know little about Tank, but seems like he’s more of a complementary hammer type that could fill the role Robinson was expected to last year.

A bit too premature to say the sky is falling, but initially not a good look for ETN owners.

I didn’t love the pick but I expected it. JAC was bound to take a Robinson replacement. ETN is not a bruiser. Tank isn’t much of a receiver (he can catch but it’s not his strength).

This seems like. More of a threat to Hasty than ETN. Not too concerned about ETN’s value, barring injury.

Agree for the most part although ETN himself wasn’t used much as a receiver last year. Maybe that will change now, although seems like check downs are not a big part of Trevor’s arsenal.

 

[kface]

i think that means i don't keep him this year. Was trying to choose who to keep as my first round pick between Etienne and Kupp and now leaning Kupp or just let them both go and draft. Won the league last year so i pick 10

 

[Ilov80s]

Best case scenario for ETN. Huge W

 

[Ilov80s]

Some comments already in the Bigsby thread, but bringing the discussion relating to ETN here.

I know little about Tank, but seems like he’s more of a complementary hammer type that could fill the role Robinson was expected to last year.

A bit too premature to say the sky is falling, but initially not a good look for ETN owners.

I didn’t love the pick but I expected it. JAC was bound to take a Robinson replacement. ETN is not a bruiser. Tank isn’t much of a receiver (he can catch but it’s not his strength).

This seems like. More of a threat to Hasty than ETN. Not too concerned about ETN’s value, barring injury.

Agree for the most part although ETN himself wasn’t used much as a receiver last year. Maybe that will change now, although seems like check downs are not a big part of Trevor’s arsenal.

It gives ETN the chance to grow into that role his in his effectively second year. And Lawrence love dumping it off to Travis in college.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Much worse for Tank than ETN. Good for the Jags.

 

[JohnnyU]

Nice handcuff for ETN I suppose, but that's about it. I'm not even sure how nice of a handcuff he is.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Some comments already in the Bigsby thread, but bringing the discussion relating to ETN here.

I know little about Tank, but seems like he’s more of a complementary hammer type that could fill the role Robinson was expected to last year.

A bit too premature to say the sky is falling, but initially not a good look for ETN owners.

They were going to add depth either way. Honestly I don’t think this move changes ETN’s outlook much, if at all.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Some comments already in the Bigsby thread, but bringing the discussion relating to ETN here.

I know little about Tank, but seems like he’s more of a complementary hammer type that could fill the role Robinson was expected to last year.

A bit too premature to say the sky is falling, but initially not a good look for ETN owners.

I didn’t love the pick but I expected it. JAC was bound to take a Robinson replacement. ETN is not a bruiser. Tank isn’t much of a receiver (he can catch but it’s not his strength).

This seems like. More of a threat to Hasty than ETN. Not too concerned about ETN’s value, barring injury.

Agree for the most part although ETN himself wasn’t used much as a receiver last year. Maybe that will change now, although seems like check downs are not a big part of Trevor’s arsenal.

It gives ETN the chance to grow into that role his in his effectively second year. And Lawrence love dumping it off to Travis in college.

It’s a little weird how folks judge ETN off last year, effectively his rookie season, coming off Lisfranc.

I think there’s quite a bit of meat on the bone for him to grow.

 

[zamboni]

Some comments already in the Bigsby thread, but bringing the discussion relating to ETN here.

I know little about Tank, but seems like he’s more of a complementary hammer type that could fill the role Robinson was expected to last year.

A bit too premature to say the sky is falling, but initially not a good look for ETN owners.

They were going to add depth either way. Honestly I don’t think this move changes ETN’s outlook much, if at all.

Fair point - could be more of an indictment of their faith in Hasty/Johnson/Conner than anything.

ETA: this has the making of a very strong offense, so there may be enough to go around

 

[Ilov80s]

GM Trent Baalke has drafted a RB every year he has been a GM. 8 straight years.

 

[JohnnyU]

GM Trent Baalke has drafted a RB every year he has been a GM. 8 straight years.

He plays FF.

 

[Faust]

Jaguars' Travis Etienne working on 'fine-tuning my skills' in first healthy offseason, embracing new RB additions

 

[travdogg]

The starters 100% played the whole game in week 18, it was win or go home if you recall with the Titans. I don't see Etienne flirting with 300 touches at all. He was worked during that 5 game stretch, but he got pulled at some times that are concerning to me. 3rd downs and GL especially.

Again, I like Etienne as a player, I just think its a good time to get out. If Etienne+ can get a big upgrade elsewhere (say Etienne+WR2 for WR1) I'd pull that trigger. I'd say the same thing about Swift, whom I like less than Etienne.

I don't do rankings this early for obvious reasons, but I'm guessing I'll have Etienne somewhere around RB15-21

Looking back on this roughly 3 months since. I feel exactly the same on Etienne. Very worried Bigsby takes the GL work (would be shocked if he didn't as Etienne was horrible in GL work) and 3rd downs are completely up for grabs.

Its interesting to me to see this thread and the Kenneth Walker thread, because in my eyes, Etienne and Walker are basically the same. Big play runners, who are in danger of losing work on 3rd downs and GL.

Both Etienne and Walker are in my RB 15-21 range. I'll likely have 0 redraft shares of either. How they are going ahead of a proven high quality, highly efficient vet like Aaron Jones is somewhat baffling to me.

ETA: Hell, Etienne is currently going ahead of Rhamondre Stevenson, which is nuts to me. Stevenson is arguably better at everything a RB can do. Maybe that's just weird Patriots bias?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

ETA: Hell, Etienne is currently going ahead of Rhamondre Stevenson, which is nuts to me. Stevenson is arguably better at everything a RB can do. Maybe that's just weird Patriots bias?

He went 1 round ahead of Stevenson in my startup draft. I happily took RS 1 round later. And you know I love me some ETN.

ETA I just checked and it was 1 round earlier

 

[menobrown]

The starters 100% played the whole game in week 18, it was win or go home if you recall with the Titans. I don't see Etienne flirting with 300 touches at all. He was worked during that 5 game stretch, but he got pulled at some times that are concerning to me. 3rd downs and GL especially.

Again, I like Etienne as a player, I just think its a good time to get out. If Etienne+ can get a big upgrade elsewhere (say Etienne+WR2 for WR1) I'd pull that trigger. I'd say the same thing about Swift, whom I like less than Etienne.

I don't do rankings this early for obvious reasons, but I'm guessing I'll have Etienne somewhere around RB15-21

Looking back on this roughly 3 months since. I feel exactly the same on Etienne. Very worried Bigsby takes the GL work (would be shocked if he didn't as Etienne was horrible in GL work) and 3rd downs are completely up for grabs.

Its interesting to me to see this thread and the Kenneth Walker thread, because in my eyes, Etienne and Walker are basically the same. Big play runners, who are in danger of losing work on 3rd downs and GL.

Both Etienne and Walker are in my RB 15-21 range. I'll likely have 0 redraft shares of either. How they are going ahead of a proven high quality, highly efficient vet like Aaron Jones is somewhat baffling to me.

ETA: Hell, Etienne is currently going ahead of Rhamondre Stevenson, which is nuts to me. Stevenson is arguably better at everything a RB can do. Maybe that's just weird Patriots bias?

Pretty much in agreement here and I've said a few times that I view Bigsby as threat to ETN's value similar to Charbonett for Walker. And I own multiple shares of Walker and ETN, terrific real life talents, but does me no good pretending they don't have threats to some key fantasy usage.

Only thing I'd add is in FFPC leagues Rhamondre is going ahead of ETN. I'm in a draft right now and Aaron Jones did go ahead of Walker, but that's not quite the norm but Rhamondre over ETN and well over Walker is what you normally see in these leagues which is close to all I'm playing in this year.

 

[northern exposure]

The starters 100% played the whole game in week 18, it was win or go home if you recall with the Titans. I don't see Etienne flirting with 300 touches at all. He was worked during that 5 game stretch, but he got pulled at some times that are concerning to me. 3rd downs and GL especially.

Again, I like Etienne as a player, I just think its a good time to get out. If Etienne+ can get a big upgrade elsewhere (say Etienne+WR2 for WR1) I'd pull that trigger. I'd say the same thing about Swift, whom I like less than Etienne.

I don't do rankings this early for obvious reasons, but I'm guessing I'll have Etienne somewhere around RB15-21

Looking back on this roughly 3 months since. I feel exactly the same on Etienne. Very worried Bigsby takes the GL work (would be shocked if he didn't as Etienne was horrible in GL work) and 3rd downs are completely up for grabs.

Its interesting to me to see this thread and the Kenneth Walker thread, because in my eyes, Etienne and Walker are basically the same. Big play runners, who are in danger of losing work on 3rd downs and GL.

Both Etienne and Walker are in my RB 15-21 range. I'll likely have 0 redraft shares of either. How they are going ahead of a proven high quality, highly efficient vet like Aaron Jones is somewhat baffling to me.

ETA: Hell, Etienne is currently going ahead of Rhamondre Stevenson, which is nuts to me. Stevenson is arguably better at everything a RB can do. Maybe that's just weird Patriots bias?

Regarding Stevenson, there seems to be a real bias against Patriots RBs. I own him in one league where I'm deep at RB and need some help at WR. I've offered Stevenson to a few teams. All of my offers have been rejected with a variation of "not interested in Patriots RBs" as the comment.

 

[TripItUp]

Etienne is in my overvalued bucket right now.

If I were the Jags I'd be focusing on keeping him health for the playoffs...and I'm guessing that's what they'll do.

 

[Faust]

ESPN's Michael DiRocco writes the Jaguars "didn't want to see" Travis Etienne taking 74 percent of the running back carries again.​

That figure comes from how often the Jaguars used Etienne after jettisoning James Robinson. Jaguars coach Doug Pederson praised the depth added at running back in D'Ernest Johnson and Tank Bigsby, saying "this is one of the stronger rooms on the team." Etienne said of a committee approach: “I feel like it keeps the wear and tear off my body ... I don’t have to go and bang myself up each and every play." Jaguars OC Press Taylor said the team doesn't have a breakdown of how it will go just yet, but added that "there's a possibility of keeping everybody fresh through the long run of the season." Etienne's ADP is hovering near 40 and he stands to be on the strong side of a committee, but it very well could be a committee this year for the Jaguars now that they've invested in the position.
SOURCE: ESPN
May 28, 2023 at 1:49 PM ET

 

[kface]

meh....he hasn't shown anything too exciting. i have to decide to keep him this year at the end of the first in my modified keeper league. Pretty much a hard drop i think

 

[popeye]

A lot of people down on a back that averaged 5+ yards a carry during his rookie season. Seems like "hold" at worst unless you're loaded at that position.

 

[eighsse2]

1,441 scrimmage yards as a rookie on 255 touches. 255 is very solid but isn't exactly workhorse bellcow usage that he would have to replicate.

 

[Ilov80s]

His entire NFL career so far has basically been about recovery. Having this offseason to focus on getting better as a player could deliver a big payoff. He showed at Clemson the ability to improve parts of his game each year. He's not going to be an old school Zeke, Lev Bell workhorse. Like most RBs, he is going to share with other players. That said, he was 10th in yards per touch, 10th in yards created with an elite profile and room to grow as a pass catcher. Once again though, it sounds like we are going to play the game where people doubt him.

 

[The Future Champs]

Etienne is in my overvalued bucket right now.

If I were the Jags I'd be focusing on keeping him health for the playoffs...and I'm guessing that's what they'll do.

Where do you have him ranked? FBG has him as the #12 dynasty RB, with the next four guys being J WIlliams, R Stevenson, T Pollard, and J Mixon. Personally, I'd move Pollard ahead of him, but not any of the others. (B/c, respectively, that was a BAD knee injury, Belichick, and Mixon might be out of a job soon.)

 

[TripItUp]

Etienne is in my overvalued bucket right now.

If I were the Jags I'd be focusing on keeping him health for the playoffs...and I'm guessing that's what they'll do.

Where do you have him ranked? FBG has him as the #12 dynasty RB, with the next four guys being J WIlliams, R Stevenson, T Pollard, and J Mixon. Personally, I'd move Pollard ahead of him, but not any of the others. (B/c, respectively, that was a BAD knee injury, Belichick, and Mixon might be out of a job soon.)

stevenson and Pollard are no brainers IMHO.

I don't compile dynasty rankings, but would definitely take these two over him.

 

[Terpman22]

meh....he hasn't shown anything too exciting. i have to decide to keep him this year at the end of the first in my modified keeper league. Pretty much a hard drop i think

Other than 5.1 YPC coming off a Lisfranc injury and 1400+ total yards, showing chops to be a PPR asset, what *would* excite you?

 

[menobrown]

Etienne is in my overvalued bucket right now.

If I were the Jags I'd be focusing on keeping him health for the playoffs...and I'm guessing that's what they'll do.

Where do you have him ranked? FBG has him as the #12 dynasty RB, with the next four guys being J WIlliams, R Stevenson, T Pollard, and J Mixon. Personally, I'd move Pollard ahead of him, but not any of the others. (B/c, respectively, that was a BAD knee injury, Belichick, and Mixon might be out of a job soon.)

stevenson and Pollard are no brainers IMHO.

I don't compile dynasty rankings, but would definitely take these two over him.

I would take ETN over both of them in dynasty, would prefer those two in redraft,

 

[TripItUp]

small backs like Etienne typically don't last very long which is why I would sell high in dynasty. This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

it certainly is within the range of outcomes that he has an outlier career like Jamal Charles too...but I consider that the outlier and not the norm. Andre Ellington is the norm.

 

[JoeJoe88]

small backs like Etienne typically don't last very long which is why I would sell high in dynasty. This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

it certainly is within the range of outcomes that he has an outlier career like Jamal Charles too...but I consider that the outlier and not the norm. Andre Ellington is the norm.

But he’s not really that small…

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

small backs like Etienne typically don't last very long which is why I would sell high in dynasty. This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

it certainly is within the range of outcomes that he has an outlier career like Jamal Charles too...but I consider that the outlier and not the norm. Andre Ellington is the norm.

He’s 5’10 215, prototypical stud RB size.

all due respect but this is a false premise & a preposterous conclusion.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But he’s not really that small…

He’s the exact size you want a RB to be.

Ellington 5’9, 201
Jamaal Charles 5’11, 199

Neither are comps to ETN. @TripItUp is making some seriously bizarre comparisons and drawing incoherent conclusions based on those.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

Also, it’s fully expected that they will split touches.

But ETN should still be plenty valuable regardless. And it’s not like ETN had that many GL touches to “steal” anyway since that was Robinson’s thing, and later Hasty’s tbing.

The only concern with ETN is his health, and he seems to be 100% coming into a season for the 1st time.

I’m not sure where this narrative is coming from that Bigsby is taking ETN’s job. Most teams use some sort of committee. Pollard had plenty of value with Zeke getting short yardage work last year.

The hope is that ETN gets more receptions. Otherwise I see him having the same RB2-ish season as last year.

Also who’s buying high on ETN? His value seems to have Tank’s presence baked in.

 

[Terpman22]

small backs like Etienne typically don't last very long which is why I would sell high in dynasty. This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

it certainly is within the range of outcomes that he has an outlier career like Jamal Charles too...but I consider that the outlier and not the norm. Andre Ellington is the norm.

He's listed as 5'10/210. This is not small for a RB

 

[TripItUp]

small backs like Etienne typically don't last very long which is why I would sell high in dynasty. This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

it certainly is within the range of outcomes that he has an outlier career like Jamal Charles too...but I consider that the outlier and not the norm. Andre Ellington is the norm.

He’s 5’10 215, prototypical stud RB size.

all due respect but this is a false premise & a preposterous conclusion.

agree to disagree

will be fun to revisit this after the upcoming season

now is the time to sell high on Etienne

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

small backs like Etienne typically don't last very long which is why I would sell high in dynasty. This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

it certainly is within the range of outcomes that he has an outlier career like Jamal Charles too...but I consider that the outlier and not the norm. Andre Ellington is the norm.

He’s 5’10 215, prototypical stud RB size.

all due respect but this is a false premise & a preposterous conclusion.

agree to disagree

will be fun to revisit this after the upcoming season

now is the time to sell high on Etienne

There’s no agreeing to disagree when you’re saying he’s undersized and making comparisons to players under 200 LBs. It’s like agreeing to disagree with a flat-Earther.


The sun is hot
Puppies are cute
ETN is between 210-215 LBs at 5’10, the ideal size for a RB.

These are just facts.

He is not undersized.

 

[travdogg]

This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

Also, it’s fully expected that they will split touches.

But ETN should still be plenty valuable regardless. And it’s not like ETN had that many GL touches to “steal” anyway since that was Robinson’s thing, and later Hasty’s tbing.

The only concern with ETN is his health, and he seems to be 100% coming into a season for the 1st time.

I’m not sure where this narrative is coming from that Bigsby is taking ETN’s job. Most teams use some sort of committee. Pollard had plenty of value with Zeke getting short yardage work last year.

The hope is that ETN gets more receptions. Otherwise I see him having the same RB2-ish season as last year.

Also who’s buying high on ETN? His value seems to have Tank’s presence baked in.

I think most aren't viewing Tank as enough of a threat. Etienne is currently ranked as RB11, which is a little high in my eyes, especially as (as we touched on earlier) Stevenson is RB13. But even guys like Aaron Jones (RB17) and Jahmyr Gibbs (RB20, who I am very high on as discussed in the Montgomery thread) are guys I wouldn't hesitate to take over Etienne. Maybe even Najee (RB12)

I 100% agree that Etienne's size is of no concern at all. He's close to ideal. The concerns I have are that he was arguably the worst RB in the NFL last year in short yardage (I would expect Bigsby to take that role) and Etienne was quietly awful as a receiver (bad routes and hands, 2nd worst PFF grade) and I think that role is very much in danger.

As a between the 20s runner, he's excellent, but that was really the only place he excelled, which makes him very similar to Kenneth Walker (Etienne has less competition, but I think Walker is a slightly better player) high to mid RB2 sounds fair to me, but I think Etienne is getting a little too much credit for being young and the assumption being he'll only improve.

I think another issue I have with where Etienne is going is despite being RB11, he's going 20 overall, which is about 2 full rounds higher than I'd take him. Its really hard seeing him over Amon-Ra or Wilson at WR, any of the big 3 QBs, or even Mark Andrews. So, for that reason as well, I think Etienne is overvalued. Obviously, every league is different, but based on what consensus ranks are right now, Etienne is a guy I'm pretty out on.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

now is the time to sell high on Etienne

Is it?

Or was that last week before news broke by the JAX beat writers and others that it’s going to be a committee to keep ETN fresh?

It was the top headline at NBC Sports Edge last Friday, so you would seem to be a day late & a dollar short on this prognostication.

Seems like you’d only be able to sell high to someone who missed that news.

 

[TripItUp]

I think most aren't viewing Tank as enough of a threat. Etienne is currently ranked as RB11, which is a little high in my eyes, especially as (as we touched on earlier) Stevenson is RB13. But even guys like Aaron Jones (RB17) and Jahmyr Gibbs (RB20, who I am very high on as discussed in the Montgomery thread) are guys I wouldn't hesitate to take over Etienne. Maybe even Najee (RB12)

I 100% agree that Etienne's size is of no concern at all. He's close to ideal. The concerns I have are that he was arguably the worst RB in the NFL last year in short yardage (I would expect Bigsby to take that role) and Etienne was quietly awful as a receiver (bad routes and hands, 2nd worst PFF grade) and I think that role is very much in danger.

As a between the 20s runner, he's excellent, but that was really the only place he excelled, which makes him very similar to Kenneth Walker (Etienne has less competition, but I think Walker is a slightly better player) high to mid RB2 sounds fair to me, but I think Etienne is getting a little too much credit for being young and the assumption being he'll only improve.

I think another issue I have with where Etienne is going is despite being RB11, he's going 20 overall, which is about 2 full rounds higher than I'd take him. Its really hard seeing him over Amon-Ra or Wilson at WR, any of the big 3 QBs, or even Mark Andrews. So, for that reason as well, I think Etienne is overvalued. Obviously, every league is different, but based on what consensus ranks are right now, Etienne is a guy I'm pretty out on.

Great posting, well articulated and I share most of these sentiments. We disagree mostly on the size.

 

[TripItUp]

He is not undersized.

I disagree

Rhamondre and Bijan and Saquon are not undersized for a workhorse role. Etienne is. And the Jaguars know it which is why Tank is getting a large portion of the volume this year.

If you don't believe me, watch the games this season.

 

[acarey50]

This preseason may be your last chance to sell high if Tank steals goalline touches and some of the workload.

Also, it’s fully expected that they will split touches.

But ETN should still be plenty valuable regardless. And it’s not like ETN had that many GL touches to “steal” anyway since that was Robinson’s thing, and later Hasty’s tbing.

The only concern with ETN is his health, and he seems to be 100% coming into a season for the 1st time.

I’m not sure where this narrative is coming from that Bigsby is taking ETN’s job. Most teams use some sort of committee. Pollard had plenty of value with Zeke getting short yardage work last year.

The hope is that ETN gets more receptions. Otherwise I see him having the same RB2-ish season as last year.

Also who’s buying high on ETN? His value seems to have Tank’s presence baked in.

I think most aren't viewing Tank as enough of a threat. Etienne is currently ranked as RB11, which is a little high in my eyes, especially as (as we touched on earlier) Stevenson is RB13. But even guys like Aaron Jones (RB17) and Jahmyr Gibbs (RB20, who I am very high on as discussed in the Montgomery thread) are guys I wouldn't hesitate to take over Etienne. Maybe even Najee (RB12)

I 100% agree that Etienne's size is of no concern at all. He's close to ideal. The concerns I have are that he was arguably the worst RB in the NFL last year in short yardage (I would expect Bigsby to take that role) and Etienne was quietly awful as a receiver (bad routes and hands, 2nd worst PFF grade) and I think that role is very much in danger.

As a between the 20s runner, he's excellent, but that was really the only place he excelled, which makes him very similar to Kenneth Walker (Etienne has less competition, but I think Walker is a slightly better player) high to mid RB2 sounds fair to me, but I think Etienne is getting a little too much credit for being young and the assumption being he'll only improve.

I think another issue I have with where Etienne is going is despite being RB11, he's going 20 overall, which is about 2 full rounds higher than I'd take him. Its really hard seeing him over Amon-Ra or Wilson at WR, any of the big 3 QBs, or even Mark Andrews. So, for that reason as well, I think Etienne is overvalued. Obviously, every league is different, but based on what consensus ranks are right now, Etienne is a guy I'm pretty out on.

Where are you getting this ADP from?


FFPC he is the RB13 with an ADP of 34 - Amon-Ra and Wilson are the WR9 and 10 with ADPs of 14 and 17, Andrews has an ADP of 22 (TE premium), and the big 3 QBs are going 22, 24 and 28.

Underdog he is the RB12 with an ADP of 29 - Amon-Ra and Wilson are the WR 9 and 10 both with an ADP of 14, Andrews has an ADP of 32 and the big 3 QBs are going at 19, 21 and 23

NFFC he is the RB13 with an ADP of 32 - Amon-Ra and Wilson are again the WR 9 and 10 with ADPs of 18 and 20m Andrews has an ADP of 40 and the big 3 QBs are going at 9, 12 and 16