RB Trey Benson, ARZ (3 Viewers)

[VikingFrog]

Benson or KW3 tonight

I’m in this same predicament where I can start both or one. I think I’m leaning KW3.

 

[kylechoffman]

Was he on the wire in anyone's leagues? If so how much % did he go for? This is the kind of player you dump 100% for IMO lol.

I was stupid enough to drop him Sunday morning because I needed a defense and we have a short bench. I dumped all $100 of my FAAB on him as this is a keeper league where he will cost me my last rounder next year if he pans out.

 

[Pietaster2]

Going Benson over C.Brown.

Same!

 

[skinsrule05]

Going Benson over Swift.

 

[Crazy8s__]

Benson or KW3 tonight

I’m in this same predicament where I can start both or one. I think I’m leaning KW3.

I’m starting both Oo

 

[KellysHeroes]

Benson or KW3 tonight

I’m in this same predicament where I can start both or one. I think I’m leaning KW3.

I’m starting both Oo

Have Benson, KW3 and Charbs. Damm, think I will stick with KW3 for the night even though im scared Charbs is going to eat

 

[ClownDogs]

Had benson on bench waiting patiently. Got
Him in my flex spot, starters bijan/cook. Huge upgrade in flex spot over Tillman/ridley

 

[3nOut]

Mostly because of a bye week conflict between my RB starters (I have Jeanty), I traded Benson for C. Brown as my RB3.

 

[VikingFrog]

Had benson on bench waiting patiently. Got
Him in my flex spot, starters bijan/cook. Huge upgrade in flex spot over Tillman/ridley

Insert the :Never start a player in your flex spot on Thursday night: tip here.

 

[WaltonGoggins]

so want to plug him in over Breece Hall

 

[fred_1_15301]

I’m starting Pollard over Benson in my flex. I want to avoid a Thursday night clunker. But if he does well, giddy up rest of the way.

 

[ClownDogs]

Had benson on bench waiting patiently. Got
Him in my flex spot, starters bijan/cook. Huge upgrade in flex spot over Tillman/ridley

Insert the :Never start a player in your flex spot on Thursday night: tip here.

Ok, he’s my flex/3rd rb, he’s in my rb1 spot and cooks in my flex, I just count him as my “flex” if that makes sense.

 

[3nOut]

He’s been open a few times but Kyler not looking his way.

 

[Ray Barboni]

He’s been open a few times but Kyler not looking his way.

Kyler only has eyes for McBride

 

[calcinorjones]

This is starting to look like a bad investment. Seahawks stacking the box because Murray isn’t effective.

 

[Ilov80s]

This is starting to look like a bad investment. Seahawks stacking the box because Murray isn’t effective.

What did you possibly pay for him that could make this a bad investment at this point?

 

[Proteus]

This is starting to look like a bad investment. Seahawks stacking the box because Murray isn’t effective.

What did you possibly pay for him that could make this a bad investment at this point?

Pretty sure a lotta guys emptied their FAAB wallets in shallow leagues, and went trade crazy in deeper ones

 

[dmac37]

In spite of the offense I have been impressed with Benson.

 

[Dizzy]

In spite of the offense I have been impressed with Benson.

Man, this offense look terrible.

 

[Banger]

Kyler Murray is a bad QB. Super athletic but can’t read a defense to save his life.

 

[Harjiran]

WTF

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Owning shares of Benson is like being king of sh!t mountain. Total split backfield. I don't want action on either player because this offensive line is bottom 5 of the league (haven't checked stats).

 

[FarFromHome]

WTF

We good. It was the hurry up. This has been a weird game script for him. Offense has been brutal for 3 quarters. Better days ahead imo.

 

[Harjiran]

I was waiting for that exact scenario for 4 quarters and he throws it to Demercado. It's an exciting game at least.

 

[msudaisy26]

It is only one game, butthis is what I was worried about. Benson needs volume and he isn't getting all the work Connor got.

 

[Harjiran]

It is only one game, butthis is what I was worried about. Benson needs volume and he isn't getting all the work Connor got.

And that OL is brutal - the usage in the passing game is nice though.

 

[crushedspirit]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

 

[Faust]

Jacob Gibbs
Trey Benson in Week 4:

+ 53% snap rate
+ 73% RB rush share
+ 48% route rate

10.4 PPR points even with no TDs in a tough matchup. Mid-range RB2 for Fantasy Football with upside for more

https://x.com/jagibbs_23/status/1971414956315955445?s=61

 

[Schmeabs]

Better days ahead

 

[Dizzy]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

Could be a pass-pro thing?

 

[LawFitz]

OL no bueno. QB is okay/sometimes more. Coach, meh. Benson looks good regardless of all of that. I like him, but wish his situation were better.

 

[msudaisy26]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.

 

[Ilov80s]

This is starting to look like a bad investment. Seahawks stacking the box because Murray isn’t effective.

What did you possibly pay for him that could make this a bad investment at this point?

Pretty sure a lotta guys emptied their FAAB wallets in shallow leagues, and went trade crazy in deeper ones

Oh yeah I guess I didn’t think about a 10 team league. Very possible he was on waivers in many of those. He still likely is a good investment there, he’s a starting RB. Not sure if he’s good or what the share of the role will be exactly but he’s got a sweet spot.

 

[togo]

WTF

Waa Waa waaaa

 

[avoiding injuries]

His value was definitely higher before last nights game due to the hype.

 

[crushedspirit]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.

He lost snaps on 3rd downs and in two minute drill offense which was expected to Demercado.

His early down work was 33 out of 38 plays, and the OC failed to properly utilize him. Gained 4.4 YPC vs a stout run D.

 

[zamboni]

His value was definitely higher before last nights game due to the hype.

I think it’s a bit premature to draw judgement based on one game versus a top defense. But I do think, as mentioned above, that Benson is not going to inherit all the volume that Conner got in the run and pass game. Demarcado is a player and will probably continue to get a reasonable amount of work. Benson may be much more game script dependent than Conner was.

 

[pinkstapler]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.

13 touches and targets for Benson
4 touches and targets for Demarcado

Let's not be pedantic. Benson is the lead back until we are shown otherwise. As of now he's getting 75% of the fantasy relevant work. Outside the rare "bell cow", this is the kind of split people are talking about with regards to a lead back or dominating the touches.

 

[avoiding injuries]

His value was definitely higher before last nights game due to the hype.

I think it’s a bit premature to draw judgement based on one game versus a top defense. But I do think, as mentioned above, that Benson is not going to inherit all the volume that Conner got in the run and pass game. Demarcado is a player and will probably continue to get a reasonable amount of work. Benson may be much more game script dependent than Conner was.

Premature or not, his trade value took a hit after last night. I accepted a trade for him on Tuesday and watched last night expecting to have sellers remorse. This morning I feel fortunate. Maybe that changes, but not this week for people who waited to see how he did.

 

[crushedspirit]

His value was definitely higher before last nights game due to the hype.

I think it’s a bit premature to draw judgement based on one game versus a top defense. But I do think, as mentioned above, that Benson is not going to inherit all the volume that Conner got in the run and pass game. Demarcado is a player and will probably continue to get a reasonable amount of work. Benson may be much more game script dependent than Conner was.

Demercado is not going away and has the trust of the staff on passing downs and two minute offenses. This should have been expected by most. The concerning area was the OC not utilizing him consistently even though he was gaining positive yards vs a top run D. Of course he doesn't have the trust Connor did and that's understandable, but you don't know what you have until you try. Watching Kyler early on was painful to the eye, while 8 carries to your RB is inexcusable.

 

[tkrull2.0]

I don't believe the Cards OC is very good...or even just adequate.

 

[MTskibum]

I have him in 3 leagues, but benched him in 2 of them. Seattles defense is for real, this was kind of expected.

A 10 ppr floor looks pretty good though, I have pretty high expectations going forward.

 

[msudaisy26]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.

13 touches and targets for Benson
4 touches and targets for Demarcado

Let's not be pedantic. Benson is the lead back until we are shown otherwise. As of now he's getting 75% of the fantasy relevant work. Outside the rare "bell cow", this is the kind of split people are talking about with regards to a lead back or dominating the touches.

I said it was only one game, but touches are one thing and can vary based on the matchup and game script. IMO snap rate is more important and all I said was 53 percent isn't dominate. You can manipulate the numbers all you want.

Connor has been a mid to high end rb 2 the last couple of years mostly because of volume. I don't think Benson is getting that volume and I don't think he is better than Connor was. I am saying temper expectations.

 

[msudaisy26]

I have him in 3 leagues, but benched him in 2 of them. Seattles defense is for real, this was kind of expected.

A 10 ppr floor looks pretty good though, I have pretty high expectations going forward.

I am not sure 10 ppr is his floor. I could see him having a similar stat line in several games this season, but with less than 5 catches. Connor wasn't catching 85 passes a year.

 

[pinkstapler]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.

13 touches and targets for Benson
4 touches and targets for Demarcado

Let's not be pedantic. Benson is the lead back until we are shown otherwise. As of now he's getting 75% of the fantasy relevant work. Outside the rare "bell cow", this is the kind of split people are talking about with regards to a lead back or dominating the touches.

I said it was only one game, but touches are one thing and can vary based on the matchup and game script. IMO snap rate is more important and all I said was 53 percent isn't dominate. You can manipulate the numbers all you want.

Connor has been a mid to high end rb 2 the last couple of years mostly because of volume. I don't think Benson is getting that volume and I don't think he is better than Connor was. I am saying temper expectations.

I'd strongly disagree that snap rate is more important that actual touches for fantasy RBs. Kind of wild to even suggest IMO unless you're just trying to be "right" for the sake of being right. And I'm not manipulating numbers lol. I put exactly what their carry and pass target numbers were for the game. Seems relevant as it's directly correlated to opportunities to score fantasy points. Unlike snaps. Which could just be them standing next to the QB and blocking.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I wouldn't panic here.

SEA has been tough on RB's on the ground so far this year only yielding a 3.15 YPC heading into this game.

And a 47:17 run/pass ratio, with Kyler accounting for 5 of the 17 is not what this offense does.

 

[crushedspirit]

Going forward the coaching staff should find out what they have for the future. Maybe letting coach Adams go to Dallas is a bigger issue than they want to admit. That Dallas run game sure looks good now.

 

[msudaisy26]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.

13 touches and targets for Benson
4 touches and targets for Demarcado

Let's not be pedantic. Benson is the lead back until we are shown otherwise. As of now he's getting 75% of the fantasy relevant work. Outside the rare "bell cow", this is the kind of split people are talking about with regards to a lead back or dominating the touches.

I said it was only one game, but touches are one thing and can vary based on the matchup and game script. IMO snap rate is more important and all I said was 53 percent isn't dominate. You can manipulate the numbers all you want.

Connor has been a mid to high end rb 2 the last couple of years mostly because of volume. I don't think Benson is getting that volume and I don't think he is better than Connor was. I am saying temper expectations.

I'd strongly disagree that snap rate is more important that actual touches for fantasy RBs. Kind of wild to even suggest IMO unless you're just trying to be "right" for the sake of being right. And I'm not manipulating numbers lol. I put exactly what their carry and pass target numbers were for the game. Seems relevant as it's directly correlated to opportunities to score fantasy points. Unlike snaps. Which could just be them standing next to the QB and blocking.

This is the exact opposite of how it works. A players usage can fluctuate in any given game, but unless they get hurt teams have an idea how much they want a certain player to play.

So if he averages 30 plays a game roughly, some weeks he will see 12 attempts in those 30 plays and some weeks he might only see six. Now if he plays 50 plays a game his floor goes higher. Being on the field more leads to more touches and as I said it was only one week.

 

[pinkstapler]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.

13 touches and targets for Benson
4 touches and targets for Demarcado

Let's not be pedantic. Benson is the lead back until we are shown otherwise. As of now he's getting 75% of the fantasy relevant work. Outside the rare "bell cow", this is the kind of split people are talking about with regards to a lead back or dominating the touches.

I said it was only one game, but touches are one thing and can vary based on the matchup and game script. IMO snap rate is more important and all I said was 53 percent isn't dominate. You can manipulate the numbers all you want.

Connor has been a mid to high end rb 2 the last couple of years mostly because of volume. I don't think Benson is getting that volume and I don't think he is better than Connor was. I am saying temper expectations.

I'd strongly disagree that snap rate is more important that actual touches for fantasy RBs. Kind of wild to even suggest IMO unless you're just trying to be "right" for the sake of being right. And I'm not manipulating numbers lol. I put exactly what their carry and pass target numbers were for the game. Seems relevant as it's directly correlated to opportunities to score fantasy points. Unlike snaps. Which could just be them standing next to the QB and blocking.

This is the exact opposite of how it works. A players usage can fluctuate in any given game, but unless they get hurt teams have an idea how much they want a certain player to play.

So if he averages 30 plays a game roughly, some weeks he will see 12 attempts in those 30 plays and some weeks he might only see six. Now if he plays 50 plays a game his floor goes higher. Being on the field more leads to more touches and as I said it was only one week.

Whatever you say bud. I disagree with just about everything you've said here including Conner being volume based considering he's averaged RB13 finish across the past four seasons and done so despite only averaging 200 rushes a season. You are just throwing out stuff as fact but providing nothing to actually back it up. And it's not that important to me to spend time putting together numbers that easily dismiss the stuff you're just throwing at the wall; especially when you just hand wave the data away with some logical fallacy or misdirection which doesn't even pertain to what everyone else in the thread is talking about. It's like talking to a wall. Believe whatever you want. When Demarcado finishes with close to the same fantasy numbers as Benson feel free to come back and tag me. I'll wait with bated breath. And if your reply is "but that's not what I'm saying"; then what are you saying? Because that's what we are talking about here; projecting Bensons usage and fantasy scoring ROS and comping it to both Conner and Demarcado. Either snap rate is irrelevant/at best a correlation that's not actually linked to causation; or it is and you're trying to insinuate Demarcado is going to majorly eat into Bensons production and wind up splitting the workload with him. Or... you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and have literally no point.

 

[msudaisy26]

His own OC took him out of the game plan early and he dominated the snaps until hurry up offense time

53 percent snap rate isn't dominant.

13 touches and targets for Benson
4 touches and targets for Demarcado

Let's not be pedantic. Benson is the lead back until we are shown otherwise. As of now he's getting 75% of the fantasy relevant work. Outside the rare "bell cow", this is the kind of split people are talking about with regards to a lead back or dominating the touches.

I said it was only one game, but touches are one thing and can vary based on the matchup and game script. IMO snap rate is more important and all I said was 53 percent isn't dominate. You can manipulate the numbers all you want.

Connor has been a mid to high end rb 2 the last couple of years mostly because of volume. I don't think Benson is getting that volume and I don't think he is better than Connor was. I am saying temper expectations.

I'd strongly disagree that snap rate is more important that actual touches for fantasy RBs. Kind of wild to even suggest IMO unless you're just trying to be "right" for the sake of being right. And I'm not manipulating numbers lol. I put exactly what their carry and pass target numbers were for the game. Seems relevant as it's directly correlated to opportunities to score fantasy points. Unlike snaps. Which could just be them standing next to the QB and blocking.

This is the exact opposite of how it works. A players usage can fluctuate in any given game, but unless they get hurt teams have an idea how much they want a certain player to play.

So if he averages 30 plays a game roughly, some weeks he will see 12 attempts in those 30 plays and some weeks he might only see six. Now if he plays 50 plays a game his floor goes higher. Being on the field more leads to more touches and as I said it was only one week.

Whatever you say bud. I disagree with just about everything you've said here including Conner being volume based considering he's averaged RB13 finish across the past four seasons and done so despite only averaging 200 rushes a season. You are just throwing out stuff as fact but providing nothing to actually back it up. And it's not that important to me to spend time putting together numbers that easily dismiss the stuff you're just throwing at the wall; especially when you just hand wave the data away with some logical fallacy or misdirection which doesn't even pertain to what everyone else in the thread is talking about. It's like talking to a wall. Believe whatever you want. When Demarcado finishes with close to the same fantasy numbers as Conner feel free to come back and tag me. I'll wait with bated breath. And if your reply is "but that's not what I'm saying"; then what are you saying? Because that's what we are talking about here; projecting Bensons usage and fantasy scoring ROS and comping it to both Conner and Demarcado. Either snap rate is irrelevant/at best a correlation that's not actually linked to causation; or it is and you're trying to insinuate Demarcado is going to majorly eat into Bensons production and wind up splitting the workload with him. Or... you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and have literally no point.

Okay. You don't look at games played or catches or anything. Connor has missed some games and averaged well over 200 carries a year, plus 40 catches. He was the workhorse rb for the Cardinals. I don't think Benson will be and last night proved that in a small sample size.

Sorry you don't value snap rate. Everyone else in the fantasy community does. More snaps, equals more chances, equals more points.