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RB Ty'son Williams, BAL (1 Viewer)

Go Blue said:
We all know Baltimore will run multiple backs every game. I'm not saying he will pass Edwards, but I think he could. Catches the ball really well. Always keeps those legs driving and moving the pile. Some have said he has good vision, but I think that is a work in progress from watching him. I also saw no issues with pass protection. 

I can't predict what the split with Edwards will be, but Williams looks like a quality fantasy starter to me. 
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Only if Edwards get hurt. To my eyes, they have a very similar style of running. Problem is Edwards is bigger and more powerful while he does it.

 
sho nuff said:
Call me crazy...but how a kid was rated out of HS has zero bearing on how I feel about them in the NFL and for FF purposes.
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Mostly I agree, but the one notable counter-example from recent years that I can think of is Stefon Diggs. Huge HS recruit, 5*, top-10 player in the country who decided to go to Maryland for college ball. Pretty much fell off the map and ended up getting drafted in the 5th round. I remember specifically thinking back then: "Hey, why not take a flyer on this kid, maybe it was Maryland's fault" primarily due to the extremely favorable high school talent rating. That said, there's a billion 4* guys a year like Ty'Son Williams that never pan out, so I'm not saying this is the same case.

 
Desert_Power said:
Only if Edwards get hurt. To my eyes, they have a very similar style of running. Problem is Edwards is bigger and more powerful while he does it.
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One thing to note is that Gus as only seen 24 targets in 43 games. Good rusher? Yes. But not a good receiver, which is why they drafted Dobbins. Williams appears to have good hands AND has looked good rushing.

 
Scooby1974 said:
One thing to note is that Gus as only seen 24 targets in 43 games. Good rusher? Yes. But not a good receiver, which is why they drafted Dobbins. Williams appears to have good hands AND has looked good rushing.
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I think the bold remains to be seen. Don't see much evidence of this in college. Mostly check downs or planned screens, not running routes downfield.

Lamar hasn't really targeted RBs very much either. I do think that the Ravens should add a back that is either a specialist at catching or has the speed the stretch the defense on the outside. I can't project Williams or Edwards to excel at those two aspects, because I don't see it on tape.

I think Williams role will be to spell Edwards instead of compliment him. The longer the Ravens go without adding someone with another skillset, the more likely I am to be wrong about Williams' usage though.

 
Desert_Power said:
I think the bold remains to be seen. Don't see much evidence of this in college. Mostly check downs or planned screens, not running routes downfield.

Lamar hasn't really targeted RBs very much either. I do think that the Ravens should add a back that is either a specialist at catching or has the speed the stretch the defense on the outside. I can't project Williams or Edwards to excel at those two aspects, because I don't see it on tape.

I think Williams role will be to spell Edwards instead of compliment him. The longer the Ravens go without adding someone with another skillset, the more likely I am to be wrong about Williams' usage though.
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Williams had 5 receptions in the first preseason game. And a couple more in the second. I'm unsure that that translates to regular season play calling with Lamar under center, but I agree that SOMEONE needs to be able to catch the ball. So far Williams >>Gus. Maybe Hill will sneak in there a bit too?

 
mcintyre1 said:
Mostly I agree, but the one notable counter-example from recent years that I can think of is Stefon Diggs. Huge HS recruit, 5*, top-10 player in the country who decided to go to Maryland for college ball. Pretty much fell off the map and ended up getting drafted in the 5th round. I remember specifically thinking back then: "Hey, why not take a flyer on this kid, maybe it was Maryland's fault" primarily due to the extremely favorable high school talent rating. That said, there's a billion 4* guys a year like Ty'Son Williams that never pan out, so I'm not saying this is the same case.
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This is a little bit revisionist history because Diggs flashed big time in college and went in both of my devy drafts at the time (not as a HS recruit but after a year or two at Maryland) despite his lack of a dominant season, and I only play in leagues that draft one round of devys so it wasn’t a crazy deep pool being taken or anything. If anything it was weirder that he fell to the 5th, he was very much on the radar as a talented player in a bad situation who needed to stay healthy.

 
All I know is this, he seems to be the no 2 on a team that likes to run and does it very well.  They also have a strong D which can translate into positive scripts.    I also know that reports out of camp and preseason work has been positive.  He has some wiggle and can catch.   How it plays from here, who knows, but it seems there a decent chance he gets on the field to show what he can do.

 
In some ways, I almost think Edwards could be ranked higher than Dobbins was prior to the injury.  Dobbins was always going to spit time with Edwards.  As a No.2, Edwards was significantly more established than either Williams or Hill.  At most, Dobbins was getting 60-65% of the snaps.

Every year, there are Day 3 picks that look good at RB in August and then invariably fall into a nondescript role because there is a facet to their game that is wanting when the games are real (think Josh Kelley/Darwin Thompson types).  I think the Ravens would like to keep the RB1 snaps at a 60-65% rate, but the confidence they have in Willimas/Hill to handle the remaining 35-40% of the work I can't think is as high is the confidence they had in Edwards coming in to spell Dobbins.  And if there is a big gap, I could see Edwards then. getting much for than what Dobbins was slated to.  Let's not forget that Edwards placed a priority in his off-season work to become better in the passing game.

JMO.

 
TheDirtyWord said:
In some ways, I almost think Edwards could be ranked higher than Dobbins was prior to the injury.  Dobbins was always going to spit time with Edwards.  As a No.2, Edwards was significantly more established than either Williams or Hill.  At most, Dobbins was getting 60-65% of the snaps.
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I think it's more likely that Lamar gets another 1,000 yard rushing season than to see Edwards with a massive boost.  Of course, he was probably due for 850-900 anyway.

 
Was curious about some raw athletic numbers for him and it sounds like all we have are some very unofficial "individual pro day" results from during the pandemic and 6 months removed from ACL surgery. If you believe them, though, they're pretty good:

40: 4.48
Bench press: 24 reps
3-cone: 6.81

 
mcintyre1 said:
Was curious about some raw athletic numbers for him and it sounds like all we have are some very unofficial "individual pro day" results from during the pandemic and 6 months removed from ACL surgery. If you believe them, though, they're pretty good:

40: 4.48
Bench press: 24 reps
3-cone: 6.81
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So if true, Williams benched 7 more reps, was slightly faster in the 40 and .4 seconds faster in the 3-cone drill 6 months after ACL surgery.

 
tangfoot said:
Drop a kicker, push off the roster decision until just before kickoff of Week 1
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I only have 1 K. And it’s blanenship - a dome K with a week 14 BYE. No way. 

And it’s IDP, with a D-Flex, but I waited on defensive players, so I had to double up on DL & take an extra DB to see who’s worth keeping.

Sigh. It’s just not that deep a bench for a league that starts 16.

 
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skillz said:
I dropped Tony Jones for him.  A crapshoot but it seems like Jones will split with Murray while Williams has a better path to touches behind Edwards.  
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I think this is a mistake.  I have Jones higher than Williams, and it's not particulalry close due to potential ceiling.

 
TripItUp said:
skillz said:
I dropped Tony Jones for him.  A crapshoot but it seems like Jones will split with Murray while Williams has a better path to touches behind Edwards.  
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I think this is a mistake.  I have Jones higher than Williams, and it's not particulalry close due to potential ceiling.
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I don’t think that is a mistake at all. Jones still has Kamara there. Williams is competing with Gus and it remains to be seen how much of a load Gus can - or will be allowed to - handle. This probably opens up some opportunity for Williams on the most run heavy team, with the potential for more if Gus falters or gets hurt.

 
skillz said:
I dropped Tony Jones for him.  A crapshoot but it seems like Jones will split with Murray while Williams has a better path to touches behind Edwards.  
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I did the same. Rationale being that I already have Gus, and Murray sticking around cast some doubt on Jones for me. Guess we'll see.

 
skillz said:
I dropped Tony Jones for him.  A crapshoot but it seems like Jones will split with Murray while Williams has a better path to touches behind Edwards.  
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I dropped a 4th DB.

I have Jones, Williams & Gainwell as my lottery tickets 

 
@RapSheet

Source: #Ravens RB Justice Hill tore his Achilles at practice recently. He’s out for the season

 
@jeffzrebiec

Ravens had been looking to add RB depth to their practice squad, but their need increased last Thursday when reserve RB Justice Hill went down with a potentially significant lower-leg injury in practice, believed to be Achilles related. Ravens need a healthy No.3 RB on roster.

 
They’re hiding Levon Bell for a workout today. 

A signing there could hurt the value of Williams, and maybe hurt Gus’ value as well, depending. 
 

ETA: without Hill, there should still be plenty of carries, but if Bell leaves unsigned, I like Williams more. 

 
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Hill done for the year with achilles injury. Does Lev Bell have anything at all left in the tank? I didn't see much of him play last year myself but the stats and usage in KC sure seemed to indicate he was washed. 

 
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Soulfly3 said:
@jeffzrebiec

Ravens had been looking to add RB depth to their practice squad, but their need increased last Thursday when reserve RB Justice Hill went down with a potentially significant lower-leg injury in practice, believed to be Achilles related. Ravens need a healthy No.3 RB on roster.
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Confirmed. Torn Achilles 

 
Ilov80s said:
Hill done for the year with achilles injury. Does Lev Bell have anything at all left in the tank? I didn't see much in person but the stats and usage in KC sure seemed to indicate he was washed. 
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He failed the eye test in KC for me. Looked washed. That dancing behind the line schtick worked when he had burst - in KC it just resulted in loss of yardage. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
He failed the eye test in KC for me. Looked washed. That dancing behind the line schtick worked when he had burst - in KC it just resulted in loss of yardage. 
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Yeah, unless he is willing to change his running style or has revamped his body again, it is hard to see this working out for him. Plus his biggest strength is as a pass catcher and that's not a big part of the Ravens offense. 

 
foxco said:
Don't think so... but I just picked him up in one deep league, just in case
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A Bell signing certainly wouldn’t be happy news for Gus owners. Especially those who just traded for him.  

I suspect it would be more about depth. They can’t go into the season with just 2 dudes. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Lamar is the Ravens offense. Not sure there's a single offense more dependent on 1 player than the Ravens.
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Agreed. 

that said, Huntley looked surprisingly good in the preseason. If LJax were to go down, the Ravens offense might even improve. 

 
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