RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

[ffgiant]

My only concern is his QB or QBs play. It might be the only factor limit his upside.

 

[Soulfly3]

Humm, so that's why I just got 2 offers for Patterson.

One month ago I gave up 1.04 and 2.01 in a rookie draft for Patterson and Big Ben (I took over a team that only had RG3 at QB)

Some questioned it.... some liked it...

I feel on top of the world now. I always trust my own rankings and my own eye.

 

[Khy]

Humm, so that's why I just got 2 offers for Patterson.

One month ago I gave up 1.04 and 2.01 in a rookie draft for Patterson and Big Ben (I took over a team that only had RG3 at QB)

Some questioned it.... some liked it...

I feel on top of the world now. I always trust my own rankings and my own eye.

Regardless of this news I'm not sure how much I like that tbh... it could pan out but at 1.04 you could've gotten a lot more polished of a WR with a high floor like ODB and then swung around at 2.01 and grabbed someone probably like Davante Adams, Cody Latimer, Allen Robinson, Marquise Lee, Kelvin Benjamin or Donte Moncrief for the big upside WR. And possibly have gotten a WR2 and potential WR1 upside from those two picks. Instead of having someone who really will likely either be a ELITE WR1 or Devin Hester and unlikely to be anywhere in between. It's not a bad trade, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of that... as a Patterson owner myself I'd probably take that deal if handed to me in the leagues I own him, I just feel like the value is simply too good there. And all those guys outside of Robinson and Lee have a better QB situation right now than Patterson does which has to play a lot into your evaluation of a WR. I like the 2.01 part for Big Ben I guess, although same concept... I'd rather then swing with 2.01 and grab Teddy or Johnny and swing for the fences there. Patterson is a swing for the fences guy and Ben is a safe win-now type of guy. They don't really meld for me much in my head as trade targets for the same team.

Also, as a note: I'm extremely high on Patterson and have turned down some really solid offers for him, but none of them were as good as the offer you noted above. I don't hate the trade but I'm not in love with it either. Probably fairly even, I'd likely have kept my picks though.

 

[Soulfly3]

^^^ I had the 1.01 pick as well, which I traded for 1.02 and a 2015 FIRST.

I also have Dez, Gordon, and other good WRs.. and now Mike Evans as well.

Im very high on Patterson and have zero issues w what I gave up, but I see your POV, absolutely

 

[mlball77]

Humm, so that's why I just got 2 offers for Patterson.

One month ago I gave up 1.04 and 2.01 in a rookie draft for Patterson and Big Ben (I took over a team that only had RG3 at QB)

Some questioned it.... some liked it...

I feel on top of the world now. I always trust my own rankings and my own eye.

Regardless of this news I'm not sure how much I like that tbh... it could pan out but at 1.04 you could've gotten a lot more polished of a WR with a high floor like ODB and then swung around at 2.01 and grabbed someone probably like Davante Adams, Cody Latimer, Allen Robinson, Marquise Lee, Kelvin Benjamin or Donte Moncrief for the big upside WR. And possibly have gotten a WR2 and potential WR1 upside from those two picks. Instead of having someone who really will likely either be a ELITE WR1 or Devin Hester and unlikely to be anywhere in between. It's not a bad trade, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of that... as a Patterson owner myself I'd probably take that deal if handed to me in the leagues I own him, I just feel like the value is simply too good there. And all those guys outside of Robinson and Lee have a better QB situation right now than Patterson does which has to play a lot into your evaluation of a WR. I like the 2.01 part for Big Ben I guess, although same concept... I'd rather then swing with 2.01 and grab Teddy or Johnny and swing for the fences there. Patterson is a swing for the fences guy and Ben is a safe win-now type of guy. They don't really meld for me much in my head as trade targets for the same team.

Also, as a note: I'm extremely high on Patterson and have turned down some really solid offers for him, but none of them were as good as the offer you noted above. I don't hate the trade but I'm not in love with it either. Probably fairly even, I'd likely have kept my picks though.

I drafted Patterson last year and probably would not move him (plus a decent QB2) for 1.04 and 2.01 (assuming a 12-team league). I've seen enough upside with him alreadly and like the offensive system with Norv. No doubt Patterson is far from a lock, but his ceiling is extremely high.

 

[Khy]

^^^ I had the 1.01 pick as well, which I traded for 1.02 and a 2015 FIRST.

I also have Dez, Gordon, and other good WRs.. and now Mike Evans as well.

Im very high on Patterson and have zero issues w what I gave up, but I see your POV, absolutely

Rofl, well yeah I mean that's one of those "The more you know" type of points. Also... how you traded out of 1.01 for 1.02 + 2015 1st Rounder (which I assume is fairly likely to be 1.01 again) is absolutely insane. And yeah, obviously if you have Dez, Gordon, Evans and Patterson you're building a nice stable there. Which certainly changes my post a little bit.

 

[Soulfly3]

^^^ I had the 1.01 pick as well, which I traded for 1.02 and a 2015 FIRST.

I also have Dez, Gordon, and other good WRs.. and now Mike Evans as well.

Im very high on Patterson and have zero issues w what I gave up, but I see your POV, absolutely

Rofl, well yeah I mean that's one of those "The more you know" type of points. Also... how you traded out of 1.01 for 1.02 + 2015 1st Rounder (which I assume is fairly likely to be 1.01 again) is absolutely insane. And yeah, obviously if you have Dez, Gordon, Evans and Patterson you're building a nice stable there. Which certainly changes my post a little bit.

Dynasty league between friends. I KNEW that if I moved up to 1.01, Id be able to trade it to the 1.02 because he is HUGE on Watkins and a Bills fan.

I didnt expect what he gave me tho... I threw the offer out there and he took it instantly.

fwiw, the guy who had 1.01 previously was taking Evans, so the 1.02 guy felt safe... until I moved in like a snake in the grass.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Minnesota Vikings WR Greg Jennings said the team plans to showcase WR Cordarrelle Patterson this season. Jennings hinted that Patterson could overtake him as the No. 1 wide receiver for the team

(Rotoworld)Greg Jennings said he's been told the Vikings are going to "showcase" Cordarrelle Patterson.

Analysis: After sitting down with new coach Mike Zimmer and new offensive coordinator Norv Turner, Jennings "quickly got a sense of how prominently Patterson would be featured in the Vikings' offense." It's a stark change from last season, when Bill Musgrave inexplicably shackled Patterson's freakish natural ability. We're still worried about C-Patt's raw route running, but Turner is going to scheme the ball into his hands any way he can. Owners that like to bet on talent and let the chips fall should be salivating.

This is not new information. We know he is going to start and return kicks. We know they are going to manufacture touches for him since he is not a prolific route runner and is inexperienced on certain routes required in the Norv Turner offense.

I also don't agree that he was "shackled" last year. I just don't think he was ready for the types of routes and plays the offense called for. So he was brought along slowly and sprinkled in in a way that wouldn't hurt the team if he screwed up. I think he is likely used similarly this year, just more frequently. I hope no one is expecting him to be sent out on 9 routes and blowing the top off.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I also don't agree that he was "shackled" last year. I just don't think he was ready for the types of routes and plays the offense called for. So he was brought along slowly and sprinkled in in a way that wouldn't hurt the team if he screwed up. I think he is likely used similarly this year, just more frequently. I hope no one is expecting him to be sent out on 9 routes and blowing the top off.

Yeah. Just think. If they'd have played him more earlier he could have cost them one or two of their...five wins. Couldn't afford that.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I also don't agree that he was "shackled" last year. I just don't think he was ready for the types of routes and plays the offense called for. So he was brought along slowly and sprinkled in in a way that wouldn't hurt the team if he screwed up. I think he is likely used similarly this year, just more frequently. I hope no one is expecting him to be sent out on 9 routes and blowing the top off.

Yeah. Just think. If they'd have played him more earlier he could have cost them one or two of their...five wins. Couldn't afford that.

I have Patterson's recieving floor this year as 50-800-5 on about 90-95 targets.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I also don't agree that he was "shackled" last year. I just don't think he was ready for the types of routes and plays the offense called for. So he was brought along slowly and sprinkled in in a way that wouldn't hurt the team if he screwed up. I think he is likely used similarly this year, just more frequently. I hope no one is expecting him to be sent out on 9 routes and blowing the top off.

Yeah. Just think. If they'd have played him more earlier he could have cost them one or two of their...five wins. Couldn't afford that.

Your statement makes absolute sense when you take out the sarcasm. Early in the season, everybody is alive for the playoffs and less likely to take risks. You know, like putting rookies who are novices in pro route running and blocking in the game for substantial snaps. Keep thinking you know it all bro.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I also don't agree that he was "shackled" last year. I just don't think he was ready for the types of routes and plays the offense called for. So he was brought along slowly and sprinkled in in a way that wouldn't hurt the team if he screwed up. I think he is likely used similarly this year, just more frequently. I hope no one is expecting him to be sent out on 9 routes and blowing the top off.

Yeah. Just think. If they'd have played him more earlier he could have cost them one or two of their...five wins. Couldn't afford that.

Your statement makes absolute sense when you take out the sarcasm. Early in the season, everybody is alive for the playoffs and less likely to take risks. You know, like putting rookies who are novices in pro route running and blocking in the game for substantial snaps. Keep thinking you know it all bro.

They started out 1-8. Yeah. I see where that makes sense.

Anyway, it's not a shot at you. It's a shot at Musgrave. The idea that he couldn't figure out how to use Patterson at the beginning of the season like he did toward the end - where CP was STILL extremely limited in his route running ability - is one of the reasons he's now the QB coach in Philly.

 

[jurb26]

I also don't agree that he was "shackled" last year. I just don't think he was ready for the types of routes and plays the offense called for. So he was brought along slowly and sprinkled in in a way that wouldn't hurt the team if he screwed up. I think he is likely used similarly this year, just more frequently. I hope no one is expecting him to be sent out on 9 routes and blowing the top off.

Yeah. Just think. If they'd have played him more earlier he could have cost them one or two of their...five wins. Couldn't afford that.

Your statement makes absolute sense when you take out the sarcasm. Early in the season, everybody is alive for the playoffs and less likely to take risks. You know, like putting rookies who are novices in pro route running and blocking in the game for substantial snaps. Keep thinking you know it all bro.

They started out 1-8. Yeah. I see where that makes sense.Anyway, it's not a shot at you. It's a shot at Musgrave. The idea that he couldn't figure out how to use Patterson at the beginning of the season like he did toward the end - where CP was STILL extremely limited in his route running ability - is one of the reasons he's now the QB coach in Philly.

I agree. It became rather obvious that Patterson had game changing ability early on in the season. I don't think anyone can hold it against Minn for not using him right out of the gate. The issues is it took them too long to see what seem blatantly obvious to anyone who watched a Minn football game.

 

[Touchdown There]

I have Patterson's recieving floor this year as 50-800-5 on about 90-95 targets.

Floor is that he tears an ACL in camp and misses the whole year. 95 targets while also performing KO/KR duties + some handoffs seems more like an average case scenario if he stays healthy, not a floor. I'll take the Packers second best WR over the Vikings #1...probably even the Bears second best WR.

 

[Khy]

I have Patterson's recieving floor this year as 50-800-5 on about 90-95 targets.

Floor is that he tears an ACL in camp and misses the whole year. 95 targets while also performing KO/KR duties + some handoffs seems more like an average case scenario if he stays healthy, not a floor. I'll take the Packers second best WR over the Vikings #1...probably even the Bears second best WR.

Okay cool, so nobody has a floor. We can no longer use the term floor because everyone's 'floor' is 0/0/0/0 according to TouchdownThere because anyone can either get hurt and miss the season or die before the season starts.

P.S. Floor doesn't take into account injuries, don't be a tool.

 

[Touchdown There]

I have Patterson's recieving floor this year as 50-800-5 on about 90-95 targets.

Floor is that he tears an ACL in camp and misses the whole year. 95 targets while also performing KO/KR duties + some handoffs seems more like an average case scenario if he stays healthy, not a floor. I'll take the Packers second best WR over the Vikings #1...probably even the Bears second best WR.

Okay cool, so nobody has a floor. We can no longer use the term floor because everyone's 'floor' is 0/0/0/0 according to TouchdownThere because anyone can either get hurt and miss the season or die before the season starts.

P.S. Floor doesn't take into account injuries, don't be a tool.

Floor is the worst outcome of all possibilities. Pretty sure you do not write code for a living.Floor discussion is pointless all the time every time. You can give your projection or average case scenario, but floor most certainly is not a made up word just for fantasy football that comes with an asterisk assumed.

Plus your response was extremely douchey.

 

[Touchdown There]

Just double douchey now that I see you were not in the conversation. You just jump in calling names max troll style. Normally that would not be enough to go on my ignore list, but over the years I have grabbed that you dont know football or contribute any insightful nuggets.

 

[Soulfly3]

Calling someone's floor as zero is pretty... Trollish too, isnt it?

 

[jurb26]

Calling someone's floor as zero is pretty... Trollish too, isnt it?

Extremely.

 

[Touchdown There]

Noted but ceiling talk is good chatter. Projections are great chatter. Floor just makes no sense. Total waste of time.

 

[Faust]

http://www.nfl.com/podcast/aroundtheleague-podcast/1403564901000/detail

NFL ATL podcast synopsis:

A room with some heroes -- Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Chris Wesseling -- react to the latest NFL news including New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski's expected return to action and Cordarrelle Patterson's potential rise to no. 1 receiver for the Minnesota Vikings. Later, Marc Sessler calls in to reveal new "Making the Leap" candidates and the guys answer your mailbag questions.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I also don't agree that he was "shackled" last year. I just don't think he was ready for the types of routes and plays the offense called for. So he was brought along slowly and sprinkled in in a way that wouldn't hurt the team if he screwed up. I think he is likely used similarly this year, just more frequently. I hope no one is expecting him to be sent out on 9 routes and blowing the top off.

Yeah. Just think. If they'd have played him more earlier he could have cost them one or two of their...five wins. Couldn't afford that.

Your statement makes absolute sense when you take out the sarcasm. Early in the season, everybody is alive for the playoffs and less likely to take risks. You know, like putting rookies who are novices in pro route running and blocking in the game for substantial snaps. Keep thinking you know it all bro.

They started out 1-8. Yeah. I see where that makes sense.Anyway, it's not a shot at you. It's a shot at Musgrave. The idea that he couldn't figure out how to use Patterson at the beginning of the season like he did toward the end - where CP was STILL extremely limited in his route running ability - is one of the reasons he's now the QB coach in Philly.

http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/7398/jennings-continues-to-work-with-patterson"Patterson said his work ethic wasn't good enough last year, and Jennings could see lapses as Patterson worked through the grind of a NFL season."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000360850/article/greg-jennings-cordarrelle-patterson-to-be-showcased

"Like many rookies, Patterson struggled out of the gate understanding routes, timing with his quarterbacks and how defenses played him. However, as the season wore on, Patterson settled in and displayed his exciting, explosive potential."

 

[Khy]

Noted but ceiling talk is good chatter. Projections are great chatter. Floor just makes no sense. Total waste of time.

Floor is a common decision point in fantasy football. Has been for years and will remain as such. Changing the name of floor to "expected average" or whatever doesn't change the definition. You're just playing semantics to be smartass. Floor is by definition "What do you think his lowest statline will be, barring injury?"

 

[DropKick]

I have Patterson's recieving floor this year as 50-800-5 on about 90-95 targets.

Floor is that he tears an ACL in camp and misses the whole year. 95 targets while also performing KO/KR duties + some handoffs seems more like an average case scenario if he stays healthy, not a floor. I'll take the Packers second best WR over the Vikings #1...probably even the Bears second best WR.

Okay cool, so nobody has a floor. We can no longer use the term floor because everyone's 'floor' is 0/0/0/0 according to TouchdownThere because anyone can either get hurt and miss the season or die before the season starts.

P.S. Floor doesn't take into account injuries, don't be a tool.

Floor is the worst outcome of all possibilities. Pretty sure you do not write code for a living.Floor discussion is pointless all the time every time. You can give your projection or average case scenario, but floor most certainly is not a made up word just for fantasy football that comes with an asterisk assumed.

Plus your response was extremely douchey.

What does "writing code" have to do with it? I write code for a living and thought Khy was right on the money. You need to look in the mirror for "douchey".

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Calling someone's floor as zero is pretty... Trollish too, isnt it?

Extremely.

I see you gentlemen have met Touchdown There. Good luck with that.

 

[Biabreakable]

Jennings continues to work with Patterson
By Ben Goessling | ESPN.com http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/130420/jennings-continues-to-work-with-patterson

MINNEAPOLIS -- Before the Minnesota Vikings had their first team meeting with new coach Mike Zimmer and his staff in April, Greg Jennings found Cordarrelle Patterson to deliver an updated version of the message he'd sent to receiver throughout his rookie season.
Jennings, who had already been in town and had sat down with Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, quickly got a sense of how prominently Patterson would be featured in the Vikings' offense. He wanted to make sure the electric receiver knew what that required of him.
"I wanted him to know that, coming in, the expectation of you is no longer 'rookie.' It's, 'You gotta go. We saw what you can do. We're gonna showcase this,'" Jennings recalled last week. "For me, it was making sure that he understands that he has to be a professional. He has to be a pro's pro when he steps foot in this building, because we're expecting (him) to give us what we've seen you put out there."
Jennings was asked to mentor Patterson last season, as the Vikings signed him to a five-year deal in March 2013 and spent a first-round pick on Patterson a month later. That relationship will continue in 2014, but a year after Patterson put a spark into the Vikings' offense despite a role that even Jennings believed needed to be bigger, there seems to be little doubt about how much the Vikings will use Patterson this season.
That might make Patterson, not Jennings, the featured receiver in the Vikings' passing game. But there's plenty for both to gain if Patterson can take the next step in his second season.
"Greg told me a lot coming in as a rookie that I have more confidence than anyone he knows," Patterson said earlier this offseason. "I just like to set the tone for myself and my teammates."
Patterson said his work ethic wasn't good enough last year, and Jennings could see lapses as Patterson worked through the grind of a NFL season.
"We all had to learn it," Jennings said. "I had to learn it as a rookie. The best way to learn it is, not so much by someone telling you, but it's by watching someone who does it. It didn't have to be me; it could have been (Jerome) Simpson, it could have been Jarius (Wright). It could have been Rudy (tight end Kyle Rudolph). The little, 'I don't really feel like getting it done today,' it's not going to fly. There's going to be days you feel like that. But when you come out here, nobody cares about that. Once you set that bar, you have to reach that or exceed it every single day.
"As a rookie, not being given a whole lot of opportunities and then coming on strong at the end of the year, the expectation of Eight-Four went to another level. I'm going to be honest: Once I saw him make a couple plays, I'm like, 'We've got to get him the ball. He does too much well for us not to get him the ball.'"
Jennings said he recently invited Patterson and the rest of the Vikings' younger receivers over to his house for the first time -- "They're giving me a hard time, saying, 'Oh, now we just get to come over for the first time? I said, 'Man, I've got kids. I've got to feel you guys out,'" Jennings said -- and many of the receivers in the group stand to benefit from working well together in an offense that should have many more opportunities than wideouts saw in former coordinator Bill Musgrave's scheme.
Turner said last week that deep threats such as Simpson have typically averaged 18-20 yards per catch in his offense, and the spacing of Turner's attack should create room for Jennings, who did some of his best work over the middle during his time with the Green Bay Packers. There's plenty to go around, and as Jennings knows, Patterson has the ability to unlock plenty of favorable matchups for the rest of the Vikings' receivers because of how much attention he figures to command.
"If I'm having success, it's going to open up the door for success for other guys," Jennings said. "If Cordarrelle's having success, it's going to open up the door for a lot of other guys, as well."

 

[steveski]

I acquired Patterson from what I thought was a lopsided trade and didn't expect the guy to accept, but he did. My goal was to dish away Patterson to someone who was really high on and try to get a true stud. Now I'm not so sure. Yes, he needs work to become a good traditional WR/route runner, but he has a lot of other things that I like to see in extremely athletic players that need work. He has a good mentor in Jennings. The fact that Jennings is talking him up means that it's a true mentor relationship and not just a "mentor" that is worried about losing his job to the young guy. It sounds very Brandon Marshall/Alshon Jeffery like.

Also the fact that Norv is putting in special plays and realizes he needs to get the ball in his hands. Even though Jennings fits the mold of the guy who usually does best in Norvs system, it's good that he came in knowing that he has to tweak his system to get playmakers the ball. Can anyone think of a player closest to Pattersons skillset that Norv has coached?

I think a lot of immature players make a big jump their 2nd year. Do you guys remember your first year of college? What a mess. It takes a year or two for you start to find the work/life balance.

I know it's the offseason and just talk, but it's still nice when all the talk is positive.

 

[Noah Davis]

Noted but ceiling talk is good chatter. Projections are great chatter. Floor just makes no sense. Total waste of time.

All talk of Floor/Ceiling is assuming no injury - injuries are impossible to predict therefore not considered a factor. It's not programming it's real life, which introduces random chaos.

I think you'll find somewhere on the FBG site that says predictions are for a full 16 game season unless injury (pup list) and/or suspension are known prior to the season - such as Josh Gordon / Justin Blackmon last year.

 

[Khy]

Jennings continues to work with Patterson
By Ben Goessling | ESPN.com http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/130420/jennings-continues-to-work-with-patterson

MINNEAPOLIS -- Before the Minnesota Vikings had their first team meeting with new coach Mike Zimmer and his staff in April, Greg Jennings found Cordarrelle Patterson to deliver an updated version of the message he'd sent to receiver throughout his rookie season.
Jennings, who had already been in town and had sat down with Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, quickly got a sense of how prominently Patterson would be featured in the Vikings' offense. He wanted to make sure the electric receiver knew what that required of him.
"I wanted him to know that, coming in, the expectation of you is no longer 'rookie.' It's, 'You gotta go. We saw what you can do. We're gonna showcase this,'" Jennings recalled last week. "For me, it was making sure that he understands that he has to be a professional. He has to be a pro's pro when he steps foot in this building, because we're expecting (him) to give us what we've seen you put out there."
Jennings was asked to mentor Patterson last season, as the Vikings signed him to a five-year deal in March 2013 and spent a first-round pick on Patterson a month later. That relationship will continue in 2014, but a year after Patterson put a spark into the Vikings' offense despite a role that even Jennings believed needed to be bigger, there seems to be little doubt about how much the Vikings will use Patterson this season.
That might make Patterson, not Jennings, the featured receiver in the Vikings' passing game. But there's plenty for both to gain if Patterson can take the next step in his second season.
"Greg told me a lot coming in as a rookie that I have more confidence than anyone he knows," Patterson said earlier this offseason. "I just like to set the tone for myself and my teammates."
Patterson said his work ethic wasn't good enough last year, and Jennings could see lapses as Patterson worked through the grind of a NFL season.
"We all had to learn it," Jennings said. "I had to learn it as a rookie. The best way to learn it is, not so much by someone telling you, but it's by watching someone who does it. It didn't have to be me; it could have been (Jerome) Simpson, it could have been Jarius (Wright). It could have been Rudy (tight end Kyle Rudolph). The little, 'I don't really feel like getting it done today,' it's not going to fly. There's going to be days you feel like that. But when you come out here, nobody cares about that. Once you set that bar, you have to reach that or exceed it every single day.
"As a rookie, not being given a whole lot of opportunities and then coming on strong at the end of the year, the expectation of Eight-Four went to another level. I'm going to be honest: Once I saw him make a couple plays, I'm like, 'We've got to get him the ball. He does too much well for us not to get him the ball.'"
Jennings said he recently invited Patterson and the rest of the Vikings' younger receivers over to his house for the first time -- "They're giving me a hard time, saying, 'Oh, now we just get to come over for the first time? I said, 'Man, I've got kids. I've got to feel you guys out,'" Jennings said -- and many of the receivers in the group stand to benefit from working well together in an offense that should have many more opportunities than wideouts saw in former coordinator Bill Musgrave's scheme.
Turner said last week that deep threats such as Simpson have typically averaged 18-20 yards per catch in his offense, and the spacing of Turner's attack should create room for Jennings, who did some of his best work over the middle during his time with the Green Bay Packers. There's plenty to go around, and as Jennings knows, Patterson has the ability to unlock plenty of favorable matchups for the rest of the Vikings' receivers because of how much attention he figures to command.
"If I'm having success, it's going to open up the door for success for other guys," Jennings said. "If Cordarrelle's having success, it's going to open up the door for a lot of other guys, as well."

This was a really solid read and seems to not be the first time that we've heard this stuff this offseason. I don't really think this is coach speak at this point. It's becoming more and more obvious it seems like Zimmer and Turner actually sat Jennings down and spoke to him about their plans for him and Patterson this year. Sounds like they said to him flat out "Cordarrelle is going to be the feature guy in this offense going forward, and we want you to help him in any way possible". If this were one random report from some beat writer I wouldn't believe it and would just say "Ahh, typical Rotoworld nonsense" but it seems to be a genuine report. Patterson could really be the legit sophomore ceiling guy to own and the hype might be real.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Nice to get some clarity on this, hopefully this doesn't make Patterson get substantially more expensive. The ADPs on FantasyfootballCalculator have Jennings outside the top 150 so you could easily grab both hoping to hedge anyways, assuming there isn't a major shift.

 

[Soulfly3]

Nice to get some clarity on this, hopefully this doesn't make Patterson get substantially more expensive. The ADPs on FantasyfootballCalculator have Jennings outside the top 150 so you could easily grab both hoping to hedge anyways, assuming there isn't a major shift.

His ADP is 37 on MFL in redraft, since May 15.

Will rise, without doubt too.

 

[Biabreakable]

I posted the Ben Goessing article because that is what other people such as the ATL crew were citing, and to be honest I think taking it a bit out of context, and just hearing what they wanted to hear.

The hot takes as it were. But that can quickly lead to an incorrect conclusion.

Jennings was brought in by Rick Spielman to help the QBs and young WRs because of his experience and professionalism. I like hearing more about that too, but I do not come away from reading that article thinking Patterson will be the WR1 in this offense. As has been speculated from it.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Nice to get some clarity on this, hopefully this doesn't make Patterson get substantially more expensive. The ADPs on FantasyfootballCalculator have Jennings outside the top 150 so you could easily grab both hoping to hedge anyways, assuming there isn't a major shift.

How could he? He's already impossible to acquire. Owner in my main league requested AJ Green!

 

[Ted Mullins]

Wow, didn't realize folks were that high on him. I actually have him in the only dynasty league I am in, so I will have to ask around and see if anyone else likes him that much.

 

[Eminence]

Wow, didn't realize folks were that high on him. I actually have him in the only dynasty league I am in, so I will have to ask around and see if anyone else likes him that much.

I recently traded him for Andre Johnson. So there are people willing to pay the premium.

 

[lbouchard]

Wow, didn't realize folks were that high on him. I actually have him in the only dynasty league I am in, so I will have to ask around and see if anyone else likes him that much.

I recently traded him for Andre Johnson. So there are people willing to pay the premium.

Andre Johnson isn't really a premium asset in dynasty. I saw that trade and contract league helps a little, but Andre's holdout is a legit one. Kubiak being gone doesn't really help the cause either.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Wow, didn't realize folks were that high on him. I actually have him in the only dynasty league I am in, so I will have to ask around and see if anyone else likes him that much.

I recently traded him for Andre Johnson. So there are people willing to pay the premium.

Bad trade for you.

 

[Khy]

Wow, didn't realize folks were that high on him. I actually have him in the only dynasty league I am in, so I will have to ask around and see if anyone else likes him that much.

I recently traded him for Andre Johnson. So there are people willing to pay the premium.

If someone offered me Andre Johnson for my Patterson I'd probably laugh in their face and make note to never bother trying to trade with them. That's like trading a 1989 Ford truck for a Tesla. Sure, the Ford is old and reliable but eventually and likely soon the 300,000 miles on that sucker is gonna catch up to you. And the Tesla might be new technology and the battery could leak and explode next week, or it could be this awesome car that last you the next 15 years.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Even the FBG staffer who is most down on Patterson (Adam) has him way above Andre Johnson in his rankings.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Wow, didn't realize folks were that high on him. I actually have him in the only dynasty league I am in, so I will have to ask around and see if anyone else likes him that much.

I recently traded him for Andre Johnson. So there are people willing to pay the premium.

@ premium

 

[JohnnyU]

Wow, didn't realize folks were that high on him. I actually have him in the only dynasty league I am in, so I will have to ask around and see if anyone else likes him that much.

I recently traded him for Andre Johnson. So there are people willing to pay the premium.

ouch

 

[Eminence]

Lol, I had people telling me I made a bad trade last year when I traded David Wilson for Cordarelle Patterson straight up. I'm not too concerned about it. Johnson caught 109 passes last year.

109.

Patterson will be lucky to snag 80.

 

[JohnnyU]

Lol, I had people telling me I made a bad trade last year when I traded David Wilson for Cordarelle Patterson straight up. I'm not too concerned about it. Johnson caught 109 passes last year.

109.

Patterson will be lucky to snag 80.

redraft league?

 

[Eminence]

Lol, I had people telling me I made a bad trade last year when I traded David Wilson for Cordarelle Patterson straight up. I'm not too concerned about it. Johnson caught 109 passes last year.

109.

Patterson will be lucky to snag 80.

redraft league?

Dynasty w/ contract. Patterson for 3-years. Johnson for 1 - 4 (my choice, he was a guy's franchise player and I traded for him). Believe me fellas, I know Patterson's upside. I'm the one who started this thread.

But there's a big difference between a 'raw' player who is going to be catching passes from a Rookie Quarterback and an elite athlete like Andre Johnson who is going to be one of the highest targetted players next season.

 

[JohnnyU]

Lol, I had people telling me I made a bad trade last year when I traded David Wilson for Cordarelle Patterson straight up. I'm not too concerned about it. Johnson caught 109 passes last year.

109.

Patterson will be lucky to snag 80.

redraft league?

Dynasty w/ contract. Patterson for 3-years. Johnson for 1 - 4 (my choice, he was a guy's franchise player and I traded for him). Believe me fellas, I know Patterson's upside. I'm the one who started this thread.

But there's a big difference between a 'raw' player who is going to be catching passes from a Rookie Quarterback and an elite athlete like Andre Johnson who is going to be one of the highest targetted players next season.

That's correct if you're thinking short term. I don't play in contract leagues, so I can't answer to those parameters, but in a straight up dynasty league there is no way on God's green earth I trade CP for Andre Johnson. Those who do will regret it very soon.

 

[jurb26]

Lucky for me I have both Patterson AND Andre in my dynasty leagues.

 

[Eminence]

Also, if you guys want a good laugh and an example of why you shouldn't trust posters around here.

12 Team / .5PPR

David Wilson

for

Cordarrelle Patterson

Really? Why would you give up Wilson for Patterson... Surely you could have gotten more for Wilson.

I agree. I'd be willing to add a good deal to Patterson to get Wilson. Perhaps double Patterson's value, even.

*shrugs*

I got my guy. I drafted both Tavon Austin + DeAndre Hopkins earlier in the draft and recently lost my starting WR (Michael Crabtree) to an Achilles injury. My other Running Backs in this league are Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson.

I need to hit a homerun at Receiver in this league, desperately. I'm not a believer in Wilson, he's not a super-great pass-catching threat and besides the few big runs he busted off last year (and kick-returns), nothing he really did impressed me. Leon Washington could have made the same plays he made last-year. Add to the fact he's NOT going to see Goalline and short-yardage work and I'll pass.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers it was an easy move to make.

So if you personally think that Monte Ball is going to be better than Trent Richardson, do you trade Richardson straight up for Ball???? Jesus no.

This way of thinking will kill a team. So what if you think Patterson will be better for your team. Since you are in the GIANT minority there, it's a bad deal cause you should easily get 2-3 times the value of Patterson even from a Patterson lover.

In fact, there are enough Wilson lovers out there to get a good/great proven young WR. Wilson is going in like the 2nd and 3rd round of startup drafts. Patterson is going like 5 round later than that. You got KILLED in value there, real, real bad. If you needed a homerun at WR, why not just deal WIlson for an already proven homerun??

I agree with Wilson > Patterson just on the basis of my personal player evaluation but disagree with the sweeping generalizations you are making.

Regarding your extreme Montee Ball example, the only thing that kills the team is incorrectly evaluating that Montee > Trent. If instead you were correct all along in your evaluation, then you didnt kill the team at all. You simply put yourself in the exact same situation (or better) as the scenario where you kept Trent (since Ball equaled or exceeded Trent).

What you may have lost is the opportunity to maximize value of your team by instead selling Trent for a piece the Montee finds even more valuable than Montee and then selling that piece to that owner for Ball and another player. Missing out on that opportunity, however, did nothing to "kill" your team since you ended being no worse off than had you kept Trent all along (if you are correct in your evaluation). You just may have left additional value on the table.

In addition, that opportunity to maximize value, although sounding good in theory, doesn't always materialize and by the time you realize that, the opportunity to buy the player you wanted in the first place could now be gone. That said, I can understand the need to feel like you are maximizing value and I fall into that trap from time to time as well (and have been burned in the process).

As for Patterson vs. Wilson, if I thought Patterson was better than Wilson and also better than the "proven" homerun that I could have acquired with Wilson (which would not be that unusual), then I'd go Patterson and lose no sleep over the fact that the masses value Wilson over Patterson.

In the end, it all comes down to your evaluation of a player and how much you trust that evaluation even when everyone else is saying you are wrong. If you are right, then trading a worse player that the market values more for a better player that the market values less is a good thing.

Forget maximizing value, he very much MINIMIZED the value of Wilson on that deal.

And actually, in the case of "trading for a lesser valued player cause you like him more".....................I would actually consider Wilson for Patterson a pretty extreme example of this. Not as bad as my Richardson for Monte Ball example, but not that far off.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers itwas an easy move to make.

It isn't a do-over. But calling it that is a wonderful rationalization and specious reasoning. The fact you paid 1.06 for Wilson is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what you paid for him then, the only thing that matters it what he is worth NOW.

I can assure you Wilson is worth more than the 1.06 and I have yet to see a start up draft where Patterson was taken before him. And I seriously doubt that few 1.06 owners in any league would turn down a straight up offer for David Wilson.

 

[Eminence]

...continued:

He's got size and speed. He actually ran a faster 40-time than Wilson and is 4 inches taller...

Gee, then I guess it was a great deal then.

Economics 101 here. I would trade 1.06 for David Wilson all day.

In a league of mine recently, David Wilson was traded for Ryan Tannehill, Desean Jackson and Rashard Mendenhall.

I hate to pile on but I agree that the Wilson trade is horrible. Last year I took Trent Richardson at 1.1 And Doug Martin at 1.2. Should I trade them for Tavon Austin and ?. Sorry but I think you could have gotten minimum another 1st for him but hope it works out.

 

[Eminence]

And if you ever doubted whether or not EBF knows what he's talking about:

It's a bad deal in terms of market value, but maybe he tried to get Patterson + extras for Wilson and this was the best deal available. You never know.

Patterson was a higher pick than Wilson and has the athletic profile of a high end #1 WR. It's not inconceivable that he could end up having the better career.

He's like the only guy that was somewhat on my side when I made that deal a year ago, just food for thought.

Really? Why would you give up Wilson for Patterson... Surely you could have gotten more for Wilson.

I agree. I'd be willing to add a good deal to Patterson to get Wilson. Perhaps double Patterson's value, even.

*shrugs*

I got my guy. I drafted both Tavon Austin + DeAndre Hopkins earlier in the draft and recently lost my starting WR (Michael Crabtree) to an Achilles injury. My other Running Backs in this league are Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson.

I need to hit a homerun at Receiver in this league, desperately. I'm not a believer in Wilson, he's not a super-great pass-catching threat and besides the few big runs he busted off last year (and kick-returns), nothing he really did impressed me. Leon Washington could have made the same plays he made last-year. Add to the fact he's NOT going to see Goalline and short-yardage work and I'll pass.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers it was an easy move to make.

So if you personally think that Monte Ball is going to be better than Trent Richardson, do you trade Richardson straight up for Ball???? Jesus no.

This way of thinking will kill a team. So what if you think Patterson will be better for your team. Since you are in the GIANT minority there, it's a bad deal cause you should easily get 2-3 times the value of Patterson even from a Patterson lover.

In fact, there are enough Wilson lovers out there to get a good/great proven young WR. Wilson is going in like the 2nd and 3rd round of startup drafts. Patterson is going like 5 round later than that. You got KILLED in value there, real, real bad. If you needed a homerun at WR, why not just deal WIlson for an already proven homerun??

That's not even a valid comparison:

Trent Richardson posted 950 Yards and 11 Touchdowns last season. David Wilson posted 358 Yards and 4 Touchdowns.

You act like David Wilson has proven himself or something. He's a decent talent but the majority of his "long runs" are plays that change-of-pace guys like Leon Washington or Jerious Norwood could have made. Wilson doesn't even have the upside of being a great pass-catcher.

"This way of thinking will kill a team. So what if you think Patterson will be better for your team. Since you are in the GIANT minority there, it's a bad deal cause you should easily get 2-3 times the value of Patterson even from a Patterson lover."

So what if I think Patterson will be better for me team? Isn't that EXACTLY WHAT DOES MATTER? Should I have avoided Adrian Peterson last-year like everyone else in my leagues did because of injury? Should I have not have drafted Russell Wilson as well?

At the end of the day, I value Patterson more than Wilson. They've both proven essentially nothing at the NFL level, besides that David Wilson is an above average Kick Returner. I've soured on Wilson after last season, nothing he did really impressed me. I spent the 1.06 on him last-year, didn't like what I saw, and traded him for the 1.06 this year for a prospect I like better.

A prospect at a position of need, homerun.

Are you telling me there arent plenty of WRs you like more than Patterson?? I bet you could have got quite a few of them for Wilson.

If you like him better, fine. Go get him, but either get him a different way or get more along with him in return. I understand you cant ALWAYS look at "value" as the be all end all of a deal, but if you make a few bad value deals like this it's gonna hurt badly in the longrun, unless somehow you are just THAT much smarter than everyone else and choose correctly every time.

Ghostguy making me look like a genius.

 

[massraider]

Lol, I had people telling me I made a bad trade last year when I traded David Wilson for Cordarelle Patterson straight up. I'm not too concerned about it. Johnson caught 109 passes last year.

109.

Patterson will be lucky to snag 80.

redraft league?

Dynasty w/ contract. Patterson for 3-years. Johnson for 1 - 4 (my choice, he was a guy's franchise player and I traded for him). Believe me fellas, I know Patterson's upside. I'm the one who started this thread.

But there's a big difference between a 'raw' player who is going to be catching passes from a Rookie Quarterback and an elite athlete like Andre Johnson who is going to be one of the highest targetted players next season.

It is a bummer that Patterson will be catching balls from Teddy. Thank god Andre will be catching passes from Ryan Fitzpatrick.