RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (1 Viewer)

[jason12vb]

Fantasy aside, from a Vikings fan perspective I'm really starting to sour on CP's effort and attitude level. The overthrow everyone is discussing is not the first time this season he didn't make much of an effort for a ball...it wasn't even the only time in the game (there was an under-thrown ball he waited to come to him that got knocked down). Not sure if it was last week or the week before, but there was a long ball that he wouldn't even have had to dive for, just more of a fall forward type catch that NFL WRs make consistently...instead of trying to even get his hands on the ball, they were on his helmet or in the air in his OMG he missed me style.

That "go get it no matter what" instinct I think is something athletes either have or don't...it's not teachable. Just a few plays later in the game we see Chase Ford lay out for a ball that is overthrown much more than CPs ball was. He had no chance at all at catching the ball, but he knows that making the effort will give his QB confidence that he'll do everything he can and reinforces the thought in his own mind that he should catch every ball thrown his way. Make Brett Favre the QB instead of Teddy and I don't think the results would be all that different. Yes, he would have hit CP in stride more often and there would be less of these conversations, but Farve was a guy that trusted his athletic WRs to make a play on a 50-50 ball and to me CP doesn't have that fighting instinct that gives QBs faith in him. Like Sidney Rice or Javon Walker, Farve may have turned them into those types of players with his leadership and cheer-leading...but how many Rookie QBs are comfortable enough to transform another player when they've already got so much to work on personally?

This guy needs a mentor on the field, someone who is/was elite to teach him that being an elite WR doesn't mean getting a 50 yard TD every time you touch the ball...it's about consistency and being a reliable go-to guy. Without it, I think he's he's doomed to be a boom or bust player his entire career..or at least until he's in an offense where schemes get him the ball in space.

 

[T with T]

Here's the play

Pretty clearly overthrown. Even if CP "lost it in the sun", he has no shot at really catching that and that's a throw an NFL QB has to make.

Yeah that's a ball you CANNOT overthrow. If anything, you underthrow that just to be safe since he was so wide open. Even if he didn't lose that in the sun, he probably would have had to dive to catch that and making a diving catch while at full sprint is not easy. He still wouldn't have scored. That play is on Teddy.

Not sure i agree. For some reason, mid way through, CP decides to jog for about 5 yards and then speeds up again. Had he sprinted all the way through he probably would have ran right underneath it

agreed it was on CP for that he slowed down for just a quick sec and then sped up and the ball sailed a couple yards over his head.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Here's the play

Pretty clearly overthrown. Even if CP "lost it in the sun", he has no shot at really catching that and that's a throw an NFL QB has to make.

Yeah that's a ball you CANNOT overthrow. If anything, you underthrow that just to be safe since he was so wide open. Even if he didn't lose that in the sun, he probably would have had to dive to catch that and making a diving catch while at full sprint is not easy. He still wouldn't have scored. That play is on Teddy.

Not sure i agree. For some reason, mid way through, CP decides to jog for about 5 yards and then speeds up again. Had he sprinted all the way through he probably would have ran right underneath it

agreed it was on CP for that he slowed down for just a quick sec and then sped up and the ball sailed a couple yards over his head.

it was a little over thrown but he could of had it if he kept going

 

[PhantomJB]

I think people may need to start factoring in a potential return of ADP into any ROS projections for Patterson. Remember Game 1.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Here's the play

Pretty clearly overthrown. Even if CP "lost it in the sun", he has no shot at really catching that and that's a throw an NFL QB has to make.

The throw was good enough imo. He slowed up mid route, then tried to accelerate when the ball was in the air. Too late.

 

[Milkman]

AP isn't coming back and Patterson isn't going to stop sucking ### this year.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Here's the play

Pretty clearly overthrown. Even if CP "lost it in the sun", he has no shot at really catching that and that's a throw an NFL QB has to make.

Yeah that's a ball you CANNOT overthrow. If anything, you underthrow that just to be safe since he was so wide open. Even if he didn't lose that in the sun, he probably would have had to dive to catch that and making a diving catch while at full sprint is not easy. He still wouldn't have scored. That play is on Teddy.

Not sure i agree. For some reason, mid way through, CP decides to jog for about 5 yards and then speeds up again. Had he sprinted all the way through he probably would have ran right underneath it

Im watching it on my phone and it's a little choppy so maybe I'm not seeing it right but it doesn't look like he's jogging, it looks like he's running but looking back at the QB so he will throw the ball since he's wide open. I believe as a WR you are supposed to do this. If a QB sees you that wide open he will probably throw it to you earlier than the route planned for so you should be looking and not running your route with your head down as if a guy is right on you. Not making excuses for the guy...Just calling what I see. What he's doing is what I see every WR do when they are that wide open. They are looking for the ball and essentially ignoring the route.

Couldn't be more wrong. NFL routes are all about timing. They throw it anticipating full speed and where the receiver WILL BE.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Coach Mike Zimmer continued to express frustration with Cordarrelle Patterson.

After an encouraging, season-best performance against the Bucs in Week 8, Patterson reverted back to ineptitude against the Redskins in Week 9. He dropped a bubble screen, couldn't capitalize on a blown coverage and struggled to separate from David Amerson. Teddy Bridgewater was 1-of-7 targeting C-Patt and 25-of-35 when looking elsewhere. "We're not precise enough in a lot of areas," Zimmer said. "We're trying to get Cordarrelle involved in the offense. We'd love for him to be involved but guys have to make sure that they are in the right places all the time." Patterson is back at square one as a WR4 type as the Vikings head into their bye.

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune
Nov 4 - 9:42 AM

 

[Milkman]

Well they got the 4 right...........

 

[Eminence]

Traded Chris Ivory for Cordarrelle Patterson (Dynasty). The best part is that earlier in the season, I traded Patterson for Andre Johnson. Sell high, buy low.

As far as Patterson himself, I don't know what his problem is. The guy I saw last year was flat out dominating when he was on the field. Hopefully he gets his head out of his ###.

 

[Milkman]

It's seems, on the surface at least, the offense they're running is killing Patterson.

 

[fruity pebbles]

It's seems, on the surface at least, the offense they're running is killing Patterson.

or the other way around given the completion/target numbers last week

 

[LawFitz]

Was set to cut him this week, but I'm holding now pending the Peterson situation.

 

[jason12vb]

It's seems, on the surface at least, the offense they're running is killing Patterson.

If you mean they are trying to force him to be something he's not, an intermediate to deep threat, then you might be on to something. The Vikings are trying to force feed him the ball the last few games and the guy just doesn't seem ready for an expanded role that includes anything more than bubble screens and back field touches. There's a lack of effort and perhaps a lack of understanding the nuances of route running and being an NFL wide receiver. I think it says something that even though our O-Line is pretty terrible in pass coverage and QBs have been forced out of the pocket pretty consistently, I can't remember a single catch, or even a target for CP when the QB was out of the pocket.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

It's pretty bad I cut him this week in a return yardage league - its just not working this year.

 

[Squintz82]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

 

[(HULK)]

Cut for Kyle Rudolph. Bridgewater can't throw deep.

 

[Faust]

Vikings: On Cordarrelle Patterson's changing role as WR

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Vikings: On Cordarrelle Patterson's changing role as WR

If only anyone could have seen this coming.

In all seriousness, I think after the season he is a strong buy. But I still think he has a looooong way to go to enter the top 20 of WRs.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Cut him 10/15 in a twelve team PPR, feel sorry for the second division team that picked him up. Actually started this worthless turd four times.

But I never say never; do not draft lists are dumb, guys do improve their mechanics/technique and develop in 3rd/4th year sometimes.

I'll be keeping my eye on Cordarelle and also Justin Hunter next summer. Wouldn't be the first time the collective FF world turned their back on a youngster only to see the light bulb come on and they turn it around. Lots of talent here, but just not a very good WR this year.

 

[Milkman]

This sucks. Oh well. Maybe he'll turn it around next year. You have to hold him now because he has no trade value. I mean i would take a 2015 1st for him but nobody is going to offer that.

 

[Acrobat7]

This sucks. Oh well. Maybe he'll turn it around next year. You have to hold him now because he has no trade value. I mean i would take a 2015 1st for him but nobody is going to offer that.

You have to package him with other parts and deal him to a rebuilding team IMO. That should be the only way to get something for him. Dealt him after week 4 or 5 in a package that got me (among others) Harvin. It was basically a Patterson/Harvin swap in a PPR.

 

[rickyg]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

Oh well I was wrong and the joke's on me.

Don't own him in any redrafts but I acquiesce, he is a definite drop candidate in redraft.

Still a hold in dynasty if you have the roster space. I will not have the roster space.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

Oh well I was wrong and the joke's on me. Don't own him in any redrafts but I acquiesce, he is a definite drop candidate in redraft.

Still a hold in dynasty if you have the roster space. I will not have the roster space.

Pretty good athlete, always a chance he'll develop/refine the skills required to be a successful WR. Big disappointment this year but maybe the light bulb goes off at some point.

A.J., Julio and a half dozen guys this year have raised expectations about rookie WR production. Wasn't that long ago when 3rd year breakout was the norm.

 

[massraider]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

Oh well I was wrong and the joke's on me.Don't own him in any redrafts but I acquiesce, he is a definite drop candidate in redraft.

Still a hold in dynasty if you have the roster space. I will not have the roster space.

Pretty good athlete, always a chance he'll develop/refine the skills required to be a successful WR. Big disappointment this year but maybe the light bulb goes off at some point.

A.J., Julio and a half dozen guys this year have raised expectations about rookie WR production. Wasn't that long ago when 3rd year breakout was the norm.

He's not a rookie.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I can't wait until Patterson breaks out this year. I will be sure to revisit this thread and have a good laugh at all of the people who are dropping him or trading him away for garbage rt now.

Oh well I was wrong and the joke's on me.

Don't own him in any redrafts but I acquiesce, he is a definite drop candidate in redraft.

Still a hold in dynasty if you have the roster space. I will not have the roster space.

Pretty good athlete, always a chance he'll develop/refine the skills required to be a successful WR. Big disappointment this year but maybe the light bulb goes off at some point.

A.J., Julio and a half dozen guys this year have raised expectations about rookie WR production. Wasn't that long ago when 3rd year breakout was the norm.

He's not a rookie.

Never said he was.

I got no stake in defending him. I'm strictly a redraft guy, and his inconsistency cost me early on before I cut bait in mid-October. All I'm saying is guy's do develop and improve over time, WRs used to always take three years to become proficient.

CP played no football in 2009 (went to prep school) and spent two years as a JuCo stud, then two years for a second tier SEC program. It's not unreasonable to conclude there are valid reasons he's rough around the edges.

In redraft I'm always looking for value, players whose past failures cause people to overlook them. He's a talent. I'll be watching closely to see how the reports are during OTAs and TC. He had a disappointing season and fans/FFers are tired of hearing excuses. Doesn't mean the guy will never be productive.

 

[Soulfly3]

Was fooled by this kid's athleticism, but mostly by the fact that I thought the coaching staff would play up to his best abilities... Nope.

I managed to throw him in a deal with two mid 1sts in 2015 to acquire Alshon Jeffery last week - Dont regret it for a single second.

Especially considering he was about to get dropped to the waivers, and the guy doing the trade w me demanded patterson.

Cut my losses asap

 

[massraider]

Too easy to blame the coaching staff. Could they have done more to get him the ball? Sure.

But I also believe players make their own opportunities. He plays WR. At some point, he has to get open on his own.

 

[jurb26]

This season has been a total bust for CP. He's got a long way to go and so does the Minn offense. Hopefully Bridgewater turns the corner next season and the offense as a whole goes with it, including CP. Right now this team is a dumpster fire on offense. McKinnon is about the only bright spot.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Right now this team is a dumpster fire on offense.

 

[NJ]

Mike Zimmer: Cordarrelle Patterson will be a really good player

 

[LittlePhatty]

Was fooled by this kid's athleticism, but mostly by the fact that I thought the coaching staff would play up to his best abilities... Nope.

Even in Return Yards leagues he's been fairly useless, which is even more surprising. He has average yardage and zero TDs.

I guess the Vikings plan is to force him into a more mature role as a route runner, and maybe limiting his playing time is a motivational ploy.

 

[zamboni]

Patterson may indeed take the leap next year, but I highly doubt he'll be the presumptive #1 WR going into next year. Have to figure the team is going to surround Teddy with some weapons and not rely on Patterson taking that giant leap forward.

 

[steveski]

Was fooled by this kid's athleticism, but mostly by the fact that I thought the coaching staff would play up to his best abilities... Nope.

I managed to throw him in a deal with two mid 1sts in 2015 to acquire Alshon Jeffery last week - Dont regret it for a single second.

Especially considering he was about to get dropped to the waivers, and the guy doing the trade w me demanded patterson.

Cut my losses asap

Dropping him in dynasty? That's pretty funny. Of course the other guy demanded him. He essentially got 3 1st round picks for Jeffery instead of 2. Even if we were to do the 2013 rookie draft over again, Patterson would still go in the 1st round.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Thinking of dropping him but trying to hold out in case Teddy and him get it together. I'd only be dropping him for another long shot.

I'm 4-7 and 160 pts out of first for the points title so I've got nothing to lose. I'll give him another week.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

I have been a big advocate for Patterson in my PPR/Return yardage league and I just can't do it anymore.

I am dropping him and putting a claim in for Cecil Shorts.

 

[Soulfly3]

Was fooled by this kid's athleticism, but mostly by the fact that I thought the coaching staff would play up to his best abilities... Nope.

I managed to throw him in a deal with two mid 1sts in 2015 to acquire Alshon Jeffery last week - Dont regret it for a single second.

Especially considering he was about to get dropped to the waivers, and the guy doing the trade w me demanded patterson.

Cut my losses asap

Dropping him in dynasty? That's pretty funny. Of course the other guy demanded him. He essentially got 3 1st round picks for Jeffery instead of 2. Even if we were to do the 2013 rookie draft over again, Patterson would still go in the 1st round.

You couldnt even get a 3rd, or maybe even a 4th for him right now... So saying "he got 3 firsts" is pretty inaccurate, even tho I see what you're saying.

He's be TERRIBLE beyond my worst nightmares... As in, I dont even want to hold him to hope.

The opportunity came for a legit WR1 stud, top 10 easy in dynasty... I take that, all day

 

[steveski]

Was fooled by this kid's athleticism, but mostly by the fact that I thought the coaching staff would play up to his best abilities... Nope.

I managed to throw him in a deal with two mid 1sts in 2015 to acquire Alshon Jeffery last week - Dont regret it for a single second.

Especially considering he was about to get dropped to the waivers, and the guy doing the trade w me demanded patterson.

Cut my losses asap

Dropping him in dynasty? That's pretty funny. Of course the other guy demanded him. He essentially got 3 1st round picks for Jeffery instead of 2. Even if we were to do the 2013 rookie draft over again, Patterson would still go in the 1st round.

You couldnt even get a 3rd, or maybe even a 4th for him right now... So saying "he got 3 firsts" is pretty inaccurate, even tho I see what you're saying.

He's be TERRIBLE beyond my worst nightmares... As in, I dont even want to hold him to hope.

The opportunity came for a legit WR1 stud, top 10 easy in dynasty... I take that, all day

Who would even sell him for a 3rd? In the 3rd, you have a very very small chance of landing a guy that will ever see your active roster. Most likely he will end up not on your roster in a year or two. Why wouldn't you rather have a guy like Patterson who clearly is elite as far as athleticism goes? He's raw as a WR goes and everybody knew that. They just hoped he'd put it all together by now and he hasn't. That doesn't mean his career is over.

Of course this season is a disappointment. I cut him a few weeks ago in the one redraft league I owned him in. In dynasty, he's not moving and he hasn't even really gone down in my rankings that far. I can't blame anyone for packaging him for an upgrade and while I think the price you paid is steeper than I would have paid, I wouldn't have said anything if you didn't say that you were going to cut him anyways.

I haven't seen or heard of much Patterson movement at all. Owners (rightfully) don't want to sell for pennies and others (rightfully) aren't willing to give up a lot to get him.

 

[tangfoot]

Who would even sell him for a 3rd? In the 3rd, you have a very very small chance of landing a guy that will ever see your active roster.

3rd-6th round draft picks in 2014 in my league:

Derek Carr

Jarvis Landry

Donte Montcrief

Allen Robinson

Jerrick McKinnon

Martavis Bryant

Charles Sims

John Brown

Alfred Blue

Zack Metzenberger

Clearly none of these are rosterable startable. Wait, what was your point?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Was fooled by this kid's athleticism, but mostly by the fact that I thought the coaching staff would play up to his best abilities... Nope.

I managed to throw him in a deal with two mid 1sts in 2015 to acquire Alshon Jeffery last week - Dont regret it for a single second.

Especially considering he was about to get dropped to the waivers, and the guy doing the trade w me demanded patterson.

Cut my losses asap

Dropping him in dynasty? That's pretty funny. Of course the other guy demanded him. He essentially got 3 1st round picks for Jeffery instead of 2. Even if we were to do the 2013 rookie draft over again, Patterson would still go in the 1st round.

You couldnt even get a 3rd, or maybe even a 4th for him right now... So saying "he got 3 firsts" is pretty inaccurate, even tho I see what you're saying.

He's be TERRIBLE beyond my worst nightmares... As in, I dont even want to hold him to hope.

The opportunity came for a legit WR1 stud, top 10 easy in dynasty... I take that, all day

We've become spoiled over the past couple years or so with immense talents who have come into the league and essentially put it all together in their freshman/sophomore years. This year specifically has just been absurd (Mike Evans is 21). It's not too long ago however that we adhered to the rule of three (years) for developing WRs. I think it's too soon to call it quits on CP in dynasty even though it does feel like he's regressed a bit. Still, fundamentals and mechanics can be taught/learned, being 6'2, 220 with 4.4 wheels cannot.

 

[steveski]

Who would even sell him for a 3rd? In the 3rd, you have a very very small chance of landing a guy that will ever see your active roster.

3rd-6th round draft picks in 2014 in my league:

Derek Carr

Jarvis Landry

Donte Montcrief

Allen Robinson

Jerrick McKinnon

Martavis Bryant

Charles Sims

John Brown

Alfred Blue

Zack Metzenberger

Clearly none of these are rosterable startable. Wait, what was your point?

Robinson, Moncrief and Bryant were going mid-late 2nd in most leagues. Also, John Brown and Sims were around there as well. Maybe you'd land one of those guys if you had a very early 3rd and were lucky. Also, this may be the best WR class in history. Even if you include those guys somehow, that's a list of 10 guys. Look back in prior years drafts and tell me how many guys drafted round 3 or later that you'd prefer over Patterson?

 

[tangfoot]

Who would even sell him for a 3rd? In the 3rd, you have a very very small chance of landing a guy that will ever see your active roster.

3rd-6th round draft picks in 2014 in my league:

Derek Carr

Jarvis Landry

Donte Montcrief

Allen Robinson

Jerrick McKinnon

Martavis Bryant

Charles Sims

John Brown

Alfred Blue

Zack Metzenberger

Clearly none of these are rosterable startable. Wait, what was your point?

Robinson, Moncrief and Bryant were going mid-late 2nd in most leagues. Also, John Brown and Sims were around there as well. Maybe you'd land one of those guys if you had a very early 3rd and were lucky. Also, this may be the best WR class in history. Even if you include those guys somehow, that's a list of 10 guys. Look back in prior years drafts and tell me how many guys drafted round 3 or later that you'd prefer over Patterson?

You didn't say anything at all about "prefer over Patterson" in the OP, you said that 3rd round picks rarely would make your active roster. I'm not claiming that any of these guys are better prospects, but rather resoundingly refuting your (horribly incorrect) statement that 3rd round picks are ####e.

 

[steveski]

Who would even sell him for a 3rd? In the 3rd, you have a very very small chance of landing a guy that will ever see your active roster.

3rd-6th round draft picks in 2014 in my league:

Derek Carr

Jarvis Landry

Donte Montcrief

Allen Robinson

Jerrick McKinnon

Martavis Bryant

Charles Sims

John Brown

Alfred Blue

Zack Metzenberger

Clearly none of these are rosterable startable. Wait, what was your point?

Robinson, Moncrief and Bryant were going mid-late 2nd in most leagues. Also, John Brown and Sims were around there as well. Maybe you'd land one of those guys if you had a very early 3rd and were lucky. Also, this may be the best WR class in history. Even if you include those guys somehow, that's a list of 10 guys. Look back in prior years drafts and tell me how many guys drafted round 3 or later that you'd prefer over Patterson?

You didn't say anything at all about "prefer over Patterson" in the OP, you said that 3rd round picks rarely would make your active roster. I'm not claiming that any of these guys are better prospects, but rather resoundingly refuting your (horribly incorrect) statement that 3rd round picks are ####e.

Half the guys you posted were 2nd rounders in the majority of leagues and this was in a historically good/deep class. Look back at 3rd rounders in previous years. You have a very slim chance of landing someone good that late. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's very unlikely.

 

[tangfoot]

Who would even sell him for a 3rd? In the 3rd, you have a very very small chance of landing a guy that will ever see your active roster.

3rd-6th round draft picks in 2014 in my league:

Derek Carr

Jarvis Landry

Donte Montcrief

Allen Robinson

Jerrick McKinnon

Martavis Bryant

Charles Sims

John Brown

Alfred Blue

Zack Metzenberger

Clearly none of these are rosterable startable. Wait, what was your point?

Robinson, Moncrief and Bryant were going mid-late 2nd in most leagues. Also, John Brown and Sims were around there as well. Maybe you'd land one of those guys if you had a very early 3rd and were lucky. Also, this may be the best WR class in history. Even if you include those guys somehow, that's a list of 10 guys. Look back in prior years drafts and tell me how many guys drafted round 3 or later that you'd prefer over Patterson?

You didn't say anything at all about "prefer over Patterson" in the OP, you said that 3rd round picks rarely would make your active roster. I'm not claiming that any of these guys are better prospects, but rather resoundingly refuting your (horribly incorrect) statement that 3rd round picks are ####e.

Half the guys you posted were 2nd rounders in the majority of leagues and this was in a historically good/deep class. Look back at 3rd rounders in previous years. You have a very slim chance of landing someone good that late. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's very unlikely.

I've never played in another dynasty league, so maybe our draft was wildly inconsistent with the rest of the world. I'm sure you have a link to show average draft values for your claims, though.

 

[steveski]

Who would even sell him for a 3rd? In the 3rd, you have a very very small chance of landing a guy that will ever see your active roster.

3rd-6th round draft picks in 2014 in my league:

Derek Carr

Jarvis Landry

Donte Montcrief

Allen Robinson

Jerrick McKinnon

Martavis Bryant

Charles Sims

John Brown

Alfred Blue

Zack Metzenberger

Clearly none of these are rosterable startable. Wait, what was your point?

Robinson, Moncrief and Bryant were going mid-late 2nd in most leagues. Also, John Brown and Sims were around there as well. Maybe you'd land one of those guys if you had a very early 3rd and were lucky. Also, this may be the best WR class in history. Even if you include those guys somehow, that's a list of 10 guys. Look back in prior years drafts and tell me how many guys drafted round 3 or later that you'd prefer over Patterson?

You didn't say anything at all about "prefer over Patterson" in the OP, you said that 3rd round picks rarely would make your active roster. I'm not claiming that any of these guys are better prospects, but rather resoundingly refuting your (horribly incorrect) statement that 3rd round picks are ####e.

Half the guys you posted were 2nd rounders in the majority of leagues and this was in a historically good/deep class. Look back at 3rd rounders in previous years. You have a very slim chance of landing someone good that late. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying it's very unlikely.

I've never played in another dynasty league, so maybe our draft was wildly inconsistent with the rest of the world. I'm sure you have a link to show average draft values for your claims, though.

http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2014/adp?COUNT=32&POS=Coach%2BQB%2BTMQB%2BRB%2BFB%2BWR%2BTE%2BTMTE%2BWR%2BTE%2BRB%2BWR%2BTE%2BKR%2BPK%2BTMPK%2BPN%2BTMPN%2BDef%2BST%2BOff&CUTOFF=5&FRANCHISES=-1&IS_PPR=-1&IS_KEEPER=2&IS_MOCK=-1&TIME=

Your draft wasn't wildly inconsistent, but the most valuable guys in your list were either 2nd rounders or early-mid 3rds. Yes, you can get some great players in 3rd or later, but it's not likely and I wouldn't give up a player that has major potential on the off chance of landing another player with less potential.

This is getting off topic so I'll just end this argument. Patterson is struggling. He probably never will meet what people expected of him going into this season, but I don't see any reason to sell him for a 3rd rounder or later. If you disagree, then by all means sell him for that. Doesn't matter to me.

 

[Soulfly3]

It got off track from my OP of my selling him and 2 mid firsts for Alshon in a PPR dynasty.

Not that this needed to be discussed, just that I put little to no value in CPat and the owner wanted him in the deal, or no deal

Easy decision for me

 

[Biabreakable]

FWIW a 3rd round pick in a 12 team dynasty league is usually a long shot type of prospect that most likely will perform below replacement level in their first and possibly second seasons before you see any return on your investment. This means a player who you will either cut at some point for a better free agent prospect or a player who burns up a spot on your roster for 1-2 years before you move on.

The 2014 draft class was one of the most talented and deep ones I can recall seeing. I have to go back to 2004 to find a draft class as stacked at skill position prospects to come close to it and 2004 was a very good draft.

Out of the 2014 draft class you maybe could have landed Jarvis Landry, McKinnon or Crowell. Which isn't bad but again this was a very deep draft class. Prospects like them will often be second round pick value players in a average draft class.

There are several WR from the 2014 draft class that I would prefer to have over Patterson, as was talked about back in May/June. But I would not sell Patterson for less than a second round pick in 2015. I would not likely be selling him at all at this point because I would hold out for similar to 1st round value in return to be willing to move him. Otherwise I think he is a hold for 2015.

 

[cstu]

As a guy who watched him at UT, I can tell you that neither he nor Justin Hunter ran a route correctly while in college. And that's not hyperbole, it's the straight-up truth. UT had really bad coaching at the time and we squandered some of the most athletically gifted WRs we've ever had. Da'Rick Rogers was another freak we had at the same time. Patterson is simply amazing once he has the ball in his hands. He's Percy Harvin sans the injuries. It's the GETTING him the ball part that's tough. Raw is too kind when describing his route running.

That said, the Vikes have hardly been creative. In all seriousness, what about Ponder's play last night caused the staff to NOT try a couple direct snaps to Patterson? Ponder was a train wreck against a pretty mundane defense. At least Patterson gives the threat of a big play if he gets a tiny seam.

Explains a lot.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

is it possible minny realizes they are getting blown out and just feeds this dude the ball 40x?

can he return 6 kicks?

can he just get me 10 points this week??

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Cordarrelle Patterson had two catches for 18 yards in Sunday's Week 12 loss to the Packers.

Patterson was a non-factor, though he was able to draw some double teams. He briefly exited in the fourth quarter with knee/ankle injuries, but later returned. Patterson saw fewer targets than Charles Johnson, Greg Jennings, and Kyle Rudolph. He remains a highly-inconsistent WR4. Patterson won't be a recommended fantasy option in Week 13 against the Panthers.

Nov 23 - 5:24 PM