RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Free Agent (3 Viewers)

[jeaton6]

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12 Team / .5PPR

David Wilson

for

Cordarrelle Patterson

Really? Why would you give up Wilson for Patterson... Surely you could have gotten more for Wilson.

I agree. I'd be willing to add a good deal to Patterson to get Wilson. Perhaps double Patterson's value, even.

*shrugs*

I got my guy. I drafted both Tavon Austin + DeAndre Hopkins earlier in the draft and recently lost my starting WR (Michael Crabtree) to an Achilles injury. My other Running Backs in this league are Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson.

I need to hit a homerun at Receiver in this league, desperately. I'm not a believer in Wilson, he's not a super-great pass-catching threat and besides the few big runs he busted off last year (and kick-returns), nothing he really did impressed me. Leon Washington could have made the same plays he made last-year. Add to the fact he's NOT going to see Goalline and short-yardage work and I'll pass.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers it was an easy move to make.

So if you personally think that Monte Ball is going to be better than Trent Richardson, do you trade Richardson straight up for Ball???? Jesus no.

This way of thinking will kill a team. So what if you think Patterson will be better for your team. Since you are in the GIANT minority there, it's a bad deal cause you should easily get 2-3 times the value of Patterson even from a Patterson lover.

In fact, there are enough Wilson lovers out there to get a good/great proven young WR. Wilson is going in like the 2nd and 3rd round of startup drafts. Patterson is going like 5 round later than that. You got KILLED in value there, real, real bad. If you needed a homerun at WR, why not just deal WIlson for an already proven homerun??

I agree with Wilson > Patterson just on the basis of my personal player evaluation but disagree with the sweeping generalizations you are making.

Regarding your extreme Montee Ball example, the only thing that kills the team is incorrectly evaluating that Montee > Trent. If instead you were correct all along in your evaluation, then you didnt kill the team at all. You simply put yourself in the exact same situation (or better) as the scenario where you kept Trent (since Ball equaled or exceeded Trent).

What you may have lost is the opportunity to maximize value of your team by instead selling Trent for a piece the Montee finds even more valuable than Montee and then selling that piece to that owner for Ball and another player. Missing out on that opportunity, however, did nothing to "kill" your team since you ended being no worse off than had you kept Trent all along (if you are correct in your evaluation). You just may have left additional value on the table.

In addition, that opportunity to maximize value, although sounding good in theory, doesn't always materialize and by the time you realize that, the opportunity to buy the player you wanted in the first place could now be gone. That said, I can understand the need to feel like you are maximizing value and I fall into that trap from time to time as well (and have been burned in the process).

As for Patterson vs. Wilson, if I thought Patterson was better than Wilson and also better than the "proven" homerun that I could have acquired with Wilson (which would not be that unusual), then I'd go Patterson and lose no sleep over the fact that the masses value Wilson over Patterson.

In the end, it all comes down to your evaluation of a player and how much you trust that evaluation even when everyone else is saying you are wrong. If you are right, then trading a worse player that the market values more for a better player that the market values less is a good thing.

Forget maximizing value, he very much MINIMIZED the value of Wilson on that deal.

And actually, in the case of "trading for a lesser valued player cause you like him more".....................I would actually consider Wilson for Patterson a pretty extreme example of this. Not as bad as my Richardson for Monte Ball example, but not that far off.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers itwas an easy move to make.

It isn't a do-over. But calling it that is a wonderful rationalization and specious reasoning. The fact you paid 1.06 for Wilson is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what you paid for him then, the only thing that matters it what he is worth NOW.I can assure you Wilson is worth more than the 1.06 and I have yet to see a start up draft where Patterson was taken before him. And I seriously doubt that few 1.06 owners in any league would turn down a straight up offer for David Wilson.

Good call on Patterson. That said I think this is more about the process than the end result. Even if I like a Corvette better than a Porsche I wouldn't trade a new Carerra for a new Corvette straight up. I'd make sure I got the Mustang GT and the Corvette in the deal.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I have done 4 loose change drafts (ffpc draft master format) and Patterson is consistently going in the middle of the 5th round. I anticipate the hype could push his ADP up into the fourth round by the time the season rolls around. While I like Patterson's prospects I am not sure I can pull the trigger at that price.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Nice post E. I always get a kick outta how foolish some of the trade opinions look a year later.

 

[Khy]

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12 Team / .5PPRDavid Wilson

for

Cordarrelle Patterson

Really? Why would you give up Wilson for Patterson... Surely you could have gotten more for Wilson.

I agree. I'd be willing to add a good deal to Patterson to get Wilson. Perhaps double Patterson's value, even.

*shrugs*

I got my guy. I drafted both Tavon Austin + DeAndre Hopkins earlier in the draft and recently lost my starting WR (Michael Crabtree) to an Achilles injury. My other Running Backs in this league are Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson.

I need to hit a homerun at Receiver in this league, desperately. I'm not a believer in Wilson, he's not a super-great pass-catching threat and besides the few big runs he busted off last year (and kick-returns), nothing he really did impressed me. Leon Washington could have made the same plays he made last-year. Add to the fact he's NOT going to see Goalline and short-yardage work and I'll pass.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers it was an easy move to make.

So if you personally think that Monte Ball is going to be better than Trent Richardson, do you trade Richardson straight up for Ball???? Jesus no.

This way of thinking will kill a team. So what if you think Patterson will be better for your team. Since you are in the GIANT minority there, it's a bad deal cause you should easily get 2-3 times the value of Patterson even from a Patterson lover.

In fact, there are enough Wilson lovers out there to get a good/great proven young WR. Wilson is going in like the 2nd and 3rd round of startup drafts. Patterson is going like 5 round later than that. You got KILLED in value there, real, real bad. If you needed a homerun at WR, why not just deal WIlson for an already proven homerun??

I agree with Wilson > Patterson just on the basis of my personal player evaluation but disagree with the sweeping generalizations you are making.

Regarding your extreme Montee Ball example, the only thing that kills the team is incorrectly evaluating that Montee > Trent. If instead you were correct all along in your evaluation, then you didnt kill the team at all. You simply put yourself in the exact same situation (or better) as the scenario where you kept Trent (since Ball equaled or exceeded Trent).

What you may have lost is the opportunity to maximize value of your team by instead selling Trent for a piece the Montee finds even more valuable than Montee and then selling that piece to that owner for Ball and another player. Missing out on that opportunity, however, did nothing to "kill" your team since you ended being no worse off than had you kept Trent all along (if you are correct in your evaluation). You just may have left additional value on the table.

In addition, that opportunity to maximize value, although sounding good in theory, doesn't always materialize and by the time you realize that, the opportunity to buy the player you wanted in the first place could now be gone. That said, I can understand the need to feel like you are maximizing value and I fall into that trap from time to time as well (and have been burned in the process).

As for Patterson vs. Wilson, if I thought Patterson was better than Wilson and also better than the "proven" homerun that I could have acquired with Wilson (which would not be that unusual), then I'd go Patterson and lose no sleep over the fact that the masses value Wilson over Patterson.

In the end, it all comes down to your evaluation of a player and how much you trust that evaluation even when everyone else is saying you are wrong. If you are right, then trading a worse player that the market values more for a better player that the market values less is a good thing.

Forget maximizing value, he very much MINIMIZED the value of Wilson on that deal.

And actually, in the case of "trading for a lesser valued player cause you like him more".....................I would actually consider Wilson for Patterson a pretty extreme example of this. Not as bad as my Richardson for Monte Ball example, but not that far off.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers itwas an easy move to make.

It isn't a do-over. But calling it that is a wonderful rationalization and specious reasoning. The fact you paid 1.06 for Wilson is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what you paid for him then, the only thing that matters it what he is worth NOW.

I can assure you Wilson is worth more than the 1.06 and I have yet to see a start up draft where Patterson was taken before him. And I seriously doubt that few 1.06 owners in any league would turn down a straight up offer for David Wilson.

Good call on Patterson. That said I think this is more about the process than the end result. Even if I like a Corvette better than a Porsche I wouldn't trade a new Carerra for a new Corvette straight up. I'd make sure I got the Mustang GT and the Corvette in the deal.

Yeah, this is basically the point. By that same token, last season at this time you'd have had to be insane to trade Doug Martin or Trent Richardson for just about anyone. But in retrospect if you had traded Richardson for Lacy straight up you'd look like a genius right now. That doesn't change the fact that you could've and should've gotten Lady and a 1st Rounder for Richardson at the time. Same concept you could've traded Vick for Aaron Rodgers back before Vick was convicted right after the 07 draft. You could've also traded Vick for Aaron Rodgers and 2 first round picks at the same time.

Being right about the outcome doesn't mean you weren't still wrong about the value at the time.

 

[jurb26]

Getting outcomes correct is better than feeling good about being right in fantasy.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

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12 Team / .5PPR

David Wilson

for

Cordarrelle Patterson

Really? Why would you give up Wilson for Patterson... Surely you could have gotten more for Wilson.

I agree. I'd be willing to add a good deal to Patterson to get Wilson. Perhaps double Patterson's value, even.

*shrugs*

I got my guy. I drafted both Tavon Austin + DeAndre Hopkins earlier in the draft and recently lost my starting WR (Michael Crabtree) to an Achilles injury. My other Running Backs in this league are Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson.

I need to hit a homerun at Receiver in this league, desperately. I'm not a believer in Wilson, he's not a super-great pass-catching threat and besides the few big runs he busted off last year (and kick-returns), nothing he really did impressed me. Leon Washington could have made the same plays he made last-year. Add to the fact he's NOT going to see Goalline and short-yardage work and I'll pass.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers it was an easy move to make.

So if you personally think that Monte Ball is going to be better than Trent Richardson, do you trade Richardson straight up for Ball???? Jesus no.

This way of thinking will kill a team. So what if you think Patterson will be better for your team. Since you are in the GIANT minority there, it's a bad deal cause you should easily get 2-3 times the value of Patterson even from a Patterson lover.

In fact, there are enough Wilson lovers out there to get a good/great proven young WR. Wilson is going in like the 2nd and 3rd round of startup drafts. Patterson is going like 5 round later than that. You got KILLED in value there, real, real bad. If you needed a homerun at WR, why not just deal WIlson for an already proven homerun??

I agree with Wilson > Patterson just on the basis of my personal player evaluation but disagree with the sweeping generalizations you are making.

Regarding your extreme Montee Ball example, the only thing that kills the team is incorrectly evaluating that Montee > Trent. If instead you were correct all along in your evaluation, then you didnt kill the team at all. You simply put yourself in the exact same situation (or better) as the scenario where you kept Trent (since Ball equaled or exceeded Trent).

What you may have lost is the opportunity to maximize value of your team by instead selling Trent for a piece the Montee finds even more valuable than Montee and then selling that piece to that owner for Ball and another player. Missing out on that opportunity, however, did nothing to "kill" your team since you ended being no worse off than had you kept Trent all along (if you are correct in your evaluation). You just may have left additional value on the table.

In addition, that opportunity to maximize value, although sounding good in theory, doesn't always materialize and by the time you realize that, the opportunity to buy the player you wanted in the first place could now be gone. That said, I can understand the need to feel like you are maximizing value and I fall into that trap from time to time as well (and have been burned in the process).

As for Patterson vs. Wilson, if I thought Patterson was better than Wilson and also better than the "proven" homerun that I could have acquired with Wilson (which would not be that unusual), then I'd go Patterson and lose no sleep over the fact that the masses value Wilson over Patterson.

In the end, it all comes down to your evaluation of a player and how much you trust that evaluation even when everyone else is saying you are wrong. If you are right, then trading a worse player that the market values more for a better player that the market values less is a good thing.

Forget maximizing value, he very much MINIMIZED the value of Wilson on that deal.

And actually, in the case of "trading for a lesser valued player cause you like him more".....................I would actually consider Wilson for Patterson a pretty extreme example of this. Not as bad as my Richardson for Monte Ball example, but not that far off.

Came down to David Wilson for the 1.06 (Cordarelle Patterson). Coincidentally, David Wilson was taken at the 1.06 position (by me) last year so it pretty much became a "do-over" for me and considering I'm in desperate need of Wide Receivers itwas an easy move to make.

It isn't a do-over. But calling it that is a wonderful rationalization and specious reasoning. The fact you paid 1.06 for Wilson is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what you paid for him then, the only thing that matters it what he is worth NOW.

I can assure you Wilson is worth more than the 1.06 and I have yet to see a start up draft where Patterson was taken before him. And I seriously doubt that few 1.06 owners in any league would turn down a straight up offer for David Wilson.

Good call on Patterson. That said I think this is more about the process than the end result. Even if I like a Corvette better than a Porsche I wouldn't trade a new Carerra for a new Corvette straight up. I'd make sure I got the Mustang GT and the Corvette in the deal.

Yeah, this is basically the point. By that same token, last season at this time you'd have had to be insane to trade Doug Martin or Trent Richardson for just about anyone. But in retrospect if you had traded Richardson for Lacy straight up you'd look like a genius right now. That doesn't change the fact that you could've and should've gotten Lady and a 1st Rounder for Richardson at the time. Same concept you could've traded Vick for Aaron Rodgers back before Vick was convicted right after the 07 draft. You could've also traded Vick for Aaron Rodgers and 2 first round picks at the same time.

Being right about the outcome doesn't mean you weren't still wrong about the value at the time.

Reminds me of the time I saw back-up QB Aaron Rodgers go straight up for hype machine WR Matt Jones.

 

[MAC_32]

Little confused why his stock is sky rocketing like it is.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Little confused why his stock is sky rocketing like it is.

Already blooming expectations, combined with success of Gordon under Turner, and a few positive comments from Greg Jennings.

 

[MAC_32]

Little confused why his stock is sky rocketing like it is.

Already blooming expectations, combined with success of Gordon under Turner, and a few positive comments from Greg Jennings.

Patterson is a YAC guy, completely different player than Gordon. Skill set is there, but on the field it has not happened. At these prices you're paying expecting it to happen and not accounting for the risk that he is a guy that can't make plays down field.

Good time to sell in dynasty. Worst case if you lose the trade you won't lose by much.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Little confused why his stock is sky rocketing like it is.

Already blooming expectations, combined with success of Gordon under Turner, and a few positive comments from Greg Jennings.

Patterson is a YAC guy, completely different player than Gordon.Skill set is there, but on the field it has not happened. At these prices you're paying expecting it to happen and not accounting for the risk that he is a guy that can't make plays down field.

Good time to sell in dynasty. Worst case if you lose the trade you won't lose by much.

I disagree. Patterson is a high potential second year player learning how to play the position. He has enough elite skills to be a FF difference maker and I don't like selling those type of players before I have a chance to see if they develop. There were plenty of flashes of talent last year that indicated he is capable of great things on the field. I probably would not buy at these prices but it would also be hard-pressed to sell unless I see an obvious upgrade.

 

[MAC_32]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

 

[jurb26]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

More opportunity based on what? They will be used similarly in run heavy offenses. I bet their targets/touches per game are in the same ballpark.

 

[jurb26]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

More opportunity based on what? They will be used similarly in run heavy offenses. I bet their targets/touches per game are in the same ballpark.

Based on the fact that Sea has been 31st and 32nd the past 2 years in passing attempts and Patterson is going to be the WR1 in a Turner offense. The most attempts Sea has had in the past 2 years is 420. Turner has never, dating back to 2002, had an offense with that little attempts. Minn will throw the ball significantly more than Sea will.

 

[Khy]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

More opportunity based on what? They will be used similarly in run heavy offenses. I bet their targets/touches per game are in the same ballpark.

Based on the fact that Sea has been 31st and 32nd the past 2 years in passing attempts and Patterson is going to be the WR1 in a Turner offense. The most attempts Sea has had in the past 2 years is 420. Turner has never, dating back to 2002, had an offense with that little attempts. Minn will throw the ball significantly more than Sea will.

Exactly... here's a post I made in the Bridgewater thread:

I like his chances if Norv sticks around for more than a year.

Over the last 5 seasons here are the stats on Norv Turner offenses:

Attempts Yardage Scoring

681 4040 26

528 3295 26

582 4426 27

544 4519 30

519 4338 29

Averaged: 571 Attempts, 4123 Yards, 27.6 TDs

Now, I'm not saying that will be his immediate production. That said, he's better than anything happening on the Browns last season and even they added up for 4000 yards and 26 TDs. Granted, the Vikes won't pass 681 times this year, but that said Teddy should be A LOT more effective as a passer than Hoyer and Weeden were last year. The big thing missing from these numbers is in the past 5 years, Norv didn't have a RB of AD's talent. You figure AD has at least one more elite year, possibly two, unlikely more than that. Six years ago was LT's last year in SD, I think his time there will give us a good idea on the numbers to expect in 2014. He was also in SF in 2006 when Alex Smith teamed up with Frank Gore in his prime. So we have three years of data of Norv with an elite RB and a young QB... I think that will be a good average on what to expect for Teddy for this year (if he gets the Week 1 start) and next season.

Attempts Yardage Scoring

478 3858 34

471 3005 22

444 2685 16

Averaged: 464 Attempts, 3182 Yards, 24 TDs

So... short term 1-2 years: 460 attempts, 3200 yards, 24 TDs I think is a really really solid projection when taking into account just Norv's tendencies and AD's lifespan.

Long term... 3+ years: 570 attempts, 4100 yards, 28 TDs seems reasonable if he succeeds and Norv can stick around for a few years. If he's there for say 3 seasons and Teddy explodes in the 2016 season then he leaves. You at least know whoever comes in will know what they have in Teddy and continue to use him similarly.

Turner led teams, even with an elite RB (LT & Gore) averaged 464 attempts per season. Also, the QB play there was rather subpar in those first two years and you can see when Rivers finally begun to learn the tools of the trade when he posts almost 800 yards and 12 more TDs on the same number of attempts. But the attempt numbers are fairly accurate for what we can project Teddy for and thus gives us a good baseline of target numbers for Patterson.

 

[MAC_32]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

Ability is not an issue with Harvin. He has already been a WR1, 2010-2012. He was 13th as a rookie too.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

Ability is not an issue with Harvin. He has already been a WR1, 2010-2012. He was 13th as a rookie too.

I agree, ability isn't his problem, it's just that there always seem to be something wrong with him physically, which has to be factored in when trading for him. It's always something with him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Little confused why his stock is sky rocketing like it is.

Already blooming expectations, combined with success of Gordon under Turner, and a few positive comments from Greg Jennings.

Patterson is a YAC guy, completely different player than Gordon.Skill set is there, but on the field it has not happened. At these prices you're paying expecting it to happen and not accounting for the risk that he is a guy that can't make plays down field.

Good time to sell in dynasty. Worst case if you lose the trade you won't lose by much.

I dont get the sell theory in dynasty or keeper. If you have him on your roster at the end of last season everything is right where you want it to be this year. Turner has shown an ability to feed the #1 WR's and by all reports it looks like thats the plan...the QB play should be improved....he showed his talent at the end of last season and has another year under his belt after being considered raw coming out of college.

Unless you get an insane offer there's no good, rational reason to part ways with him at the moment.

 

[jurb26]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

Ability is not an issue with Harvin. He has already been a WR1, 2010-2012. He was 13th as a rookie too.

Right and as a WR1 he has amassed the following per game numbers;8.15 targets, 5.6 receptions, 64.4 yds, .35 TDs.

Prorated to a full season we are looking at;

130 targets, 89.6 receptions, 982 yds, 5.6 TDs

I believe Patterson has potential to greatly outperform those numbers as a WR1.

 

[MAC_32]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

Ability is not an issue with Harvin. He has already been a WR1, 2010-2012. He was 13th as a rookie too.

Right and as a WR1 he has amassed the following per game numbers;8.15 targets, 5.6 receptions, 64.4 yds, .35 TDs.

Prorated to a full season we are looking at;

130 targets, 89.6 receptions, 982 yds, 5.6 TDs

I believe Patterson has potential to greatly outperform those numbers as a WR1.

You chose your words carefully, but you seem to think there's a good chance Patterson is better than a top 3...5...7 WR? Because that's what Harvin has been.

 

[MAC_32]

Little confused why his stock is sky rocketing like it is.

Already blooming expectations, combined with success of Gordon under Turner, and a few positive comments from Greg Jennings.

Patterson is a YAC guy, completely different player than Gordon.Skill set is there, but on the field it has not happened. At these prices you're paying expecting it to happen and not accounting for the risk that he is a guy that can't make plays down field.

Good time to sell in dynasty. Worst case if you lose the trade you won't lose by much.

I dont get the sell theory in dynasty or keeper. If you have him on your roster at the end of last season everything is right where you want it to be this year. Turner has shown an ability to feed the #1 WR's and by all reports it looks like thats the plan...the QB play should be improved....he showed his talent at the end of last season and has another year under his belt after being considered raw coming out of college.

Unless you get an insane offer there's no good, rational reason to part ways with him at the moment.

This is a good point. if you have him it's because you believe in him. I had doubts entering the league, didn't really do much to squash those doubts either. He's a play maker within 10 yards of the LoS. He showed a nose for the end zone, which is very encouraging. However, he had only one big game (iirc it was only one big quarter), which is why I'm not buying in at these prices. He's either got to show more down field in the receiving game or be more productive on a per touch and per target basis.

 

[jurb26]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

Ability is not an issue with Harvin. He has already been a WR1, 2010-2012. He was 13th as a rookie too.

Right and as a WR1 he has amassed the following per game numbers;8.15 targets, 5.6 receptions, 64.4 yds, .35 TDs.

Prorated to a full season we are looking at;

130 targets, 89.6 receptions, 982 yds, 5.6 TDs

I believe Patterson has potential to greatly outperform those numbers as a WR1.

You chose your words carefully, but you seem to think there's a good chance Patterson is better than a top 3...5...7 WR? Because that's what Harvin has been.

No he hasn't. His PPG rankings from 2010 to 2012 have been; 19, 13 and 11.

 

[MAC_32]

No he hasn't. His PPG rankings from 2010 to 2012 have been; 19, 13 and 11.

I show 7, 6, and 3. PPR + pt/10 yds, no bonus.

 

[jurb26]

No he hasn't. His PPG rankings from 2010 to 2012 have been; 19, 13 and 11.

I show 7, 6, and 3. PPR + pt/10 yds, no bonus.

I used standard scoring. Just ran my PPR league and got finishes of 6, 11 and 14 for those years. So better but not near yours still.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'm wary of highlight films, but CP's from last year shows a number of things IMO.

Yes, there's the YAC after catching the bubble screen, but there's also back shoulder throw/catches, coming back for the underthrow, winning jump balls, etc. that should get just about anybody excited.

 

[jurb26]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

More opportunity based on what? They will be used similarly in run heavy offenses. I bet their targets/touches per game are in the same ballpark.

Based on the fact that Sea has been 31st and 32nd the past 2 years in passing attempts and Patterson is going to be the WR1 in a Turner offense. The most attempts Sea has had in the past 2 years is 420. Turner has never, dating back to 2002, had an offense with that little attempts. Minn will throw the ball significantly more than Sea will.

Couple of things here. First, why is he the WR1 and not Jennings? It was alluded to earlier that he is not a deep threat, and therefore may not fit the typical Norv WR1. Second, if Teddy B starts a significant amount of games, they aren't going to be chucking it up. Similarly, I don't think they are going to have Cassel throwing 30+ times a game either. They do have AP after all. Go back and look at Rivers attempts under Norv. They may not have been below 420, but with a young Rivers and a strong (elite) RB, Rivers threw 460, 478, and 486. They didn't get over 500 attempts until LT was gone in 2010. This tells me they are going to be throwing about 450 times this year.

Also, Seattle is rumored to be throwing more this year. Russell threw 407 in 2013, which coukd and should rise in 2014. And Harvin IS their #1 without question.

Have you not been paying any attention to the multiple reports this offseason saying that Patterson is going to be the WR1, including reports from Jennings himself? Patterson is the WR1 because the team has said so, multiple times. Maybe that changes but I'm going to have to believe it isn't just lip service at this point. These reports seem to come out on a weekly basis and here's another one from today. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000361529/Singletary-Cordarrelle-Patterson-is-going-to-be-a-superstar

So with a young Rivers and LT in his prime they averaged 474 passing attempts with a low of 460 yet you are predicting 450? How does that make sense, at all? Even if we take your low end number it's more than Sea has thrown the ball in the past 2 years. Sea can very well increase their pass attempts and still fall well short of what Minn will have.

 

[Khy]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

More opportunity based on what? They will be used similarly in run heavy offenses. I bet their targets/touches per game are in the same ballpark.

Based on the fact that Sea has been 31st and 32nd the past 2 years in passing attempts and Patterson is going to be the WR1 in a Turner offense. The most attempts Sea has had in the past 2 years is 420. Turner has never, dating back to 2002, had an offense with that little attempts. Minn will throw the ball significantly more than Sea will.

Couple of things here. First, why is he the WR1 and not Jennings? It was alluded to earlier that he is not a deep threat, and therefore may not fit the typical Norv WR1. Second, if Teddy B starts a significant amount of games, they aren't going to be chucking it up. Similarly, I don't think they are going to have Cassel throwing 30+ times a game either. They do have AP after all. Go back and look at Rivers attempts under Norv. They may not have been below 420, but with a young Rivers and a strong (elite) RB, Rivers threw 460, 478, and 486. They didn't get over 500 attempts until LT was gone in 2010. This tells me they are going to be throwing about 450 times this year.Also, Seattle is rumored to be throwing more this year. Russell threw 407 in 2013, which coukd and should rise in 2014. And Harvin IS their #1 without question.

Have you not been paying any attention to the multiple reports this offseason saying that Patterson is going to be the WR1, including reports from Jennings himself? Patterson is the WR1 because the team has said so, multiple times. Maybe that changes but I'm going to have to believe it isn't just lip service at this point. These reports seem to come out on a weekly basis and here's another one from today. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000361529/Singletary-Cordarrelle-Patterson-is-going-to-be-a-superstar

So with a young Rivers and LT in his prime they averaged 474 passing attempts with a low of 460 yet you are predicting 450? How does that make sense, at all? Even if we take your low end number it's more than Sea has thrown the ball in the past 2 years. Sea can very well increase their pass attempts and still fall well short of what Minn will have.

For correction, the low with Rivers and LT was 471 not 450. The low with Gore and Alex Smith was 444 which I think is where the 450 number is coming from. I'd say 450 is the floor, 500 the ceiling and 470 the most likely scenario.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

More opportunity based on what? They will be used similarly in run heavy offenses. I bet their targets/touches per game are in the same ballpark.

Based on the fact that Sea has been 31st and 32nd the past 2 years in passing attempts and Patterson is going to be the WR1 in a Turner offense. The most attempts Sea has had in the past 2 years is 420. Turner has never, dating back to 2002, had an offense with that little attempts. Minn will throw the ball significantly more than Sea will.

Couple of things here. First, why is he the WR1 and not Jennings? It was alluded to earlier that he is not a deep threat, and therefore may not fit the typical Norv WR1. Second, if Teddy B starts a significant amount of games, they aren't going to be chucking it up. Similarly, I don't think they are going to have Cassel throwing 30+ times a game either. They do have AP after all. Go back and look at Rivers attempts under Norv. They may not have been below 420, but with a young Rivers and a strong (elite) RB, Rivers threw 460, 478, and 486. They didn't get over 500 attempts until LT was gone in 2010. This tells me they are going to be throwing about 450 times this year.Also, Seattle is rumored to be throwing more this year. Russell threw 407 in 2013, which coukd and should rise in 2014. And Harvin IS their #1 without question.

Have you not been paying any attention to the multiple reports this offseason saying that Patterson is going to be the WR1, including reports from Jennings himself? Patterson is the WR1 because the team has said so, multiple times. Maybe that changes but I'm going to have to believe it isn't just lip service at this point. These reports seem to come out on a weekly basis and here's another one from today. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000361529/Singletary-Cordarrelle-Patterson-is-going-to-be-a-superstar

So with a young Rivers and LT in his prime they averaged 474 passing attempts with a low of 460 yet you are predicting 450? How does that make sense, at all? Even if we take your low end number it's more than Sea has thrown the ball in the past 2 years. Sea can very well increase their pass attempts and still fall well short of what Minn will have.

Because Rivers > Teddy Cassel. By a lot.

I haven't seen anything stating CP is the Vikings' WR1. Only that he will "be showcased" and "has figured out how to be a pro". Am I wrong about this? Please show me where the Vikings said "He's our top WR" or "he's our #1 WR". I'd like to see that.

 

[Khy]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

More opportunity based on what? They will be used similarly in run heavy offenses. I bet their targets/touches per game are in the same ballpark.

Based on the fact that Sea has been 31st and 32nd the past 2 years in passing attempts and Patterson is going to be the WR1 in a Turner offense. The most attempts Sea has had in the past 2 years is 420. Turner has never, dating back to 2002, had an offense with that little attempts. Minn will throw the ball significantly more than Sea will.

Couple of things here. First, why is he the WR1 and not Jennings? It was alluded to earlier that he is not a deep threat, and therefore may not fit the typical Norv WR1. Second, if Teddy B starts a significant amount of games, they aren't going to be chucking it up. Similarly, I don't think they are going to have Cassel throwing 30+ times a game either. They do have AP after all. Go back and look at Rivers attempts under Norv. They may not have been below 420, but with a young Rivers and a strong (elite) RB, Rivers threw 460, 478, and 486. They didn't get over 500 attempts until LT was gone in 2010. This tells me they are going to be throwing about 450 times this year.Also, Seattle is rumored to be throwing more this year. Russell threw 407 in 2013, which coukd and should rise in 2014. And Harvin IS their #1 without question.

Have you not been paying any attention to the multiple reports this offseason saying that Patterson is going to be the WR1, including reports from Jennings himself? Patterson is the WR1 because the team has said so, multiple times. Maybe that changes but I'm going to have to believe it isn't just lip service at this point. These reports seem to come out on a weekly basis and here's another one from today. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000361529/Singletary-Cordarrelle-Patterson-is-going-to-be-a-superstar

So with a young Rivers and LT in his prime they averaged 474 passing attempts with a low of 460 yet you are predicting 450? How does that make sense, at all? Even if we take your low end number it's more than Sea has thrown the ball in the past 2 years. Sea can very well increase their pass attempts and still fall well short of what Minn will have.

Because Rivers > Teddy Cassel. By a lot.I haven't seen anything stating CP is the Vikings' WR1. Only that he will "be showcased" and "has figured out how to be a pro". Am I wrong about this? Please show me where the Vikings said "He's our top WR" or "he's our #1 WR". I'd like to see that.

First of all, Teddy Cassel isn't a person. Obviously Rivers is better than Cassell. But to say he's better than Teddy is silly. Is he better than Luck, RG3 or Wilson in your opinion? All of them were rookies not two years ago. Things change fast in the NFL. And being that were discussing dynasty and not this season you can't just assume Teddy is worse. For all you know, Bridgewater is the next Elway.

 

[mental]

I haven't seen anything stating CP is the Vikings' WR1. Only that he will "be showcased" and "has figured out how to be a pro". Am I wrong about this? Please show me where the Vikings said "He's our top WR" or "he's our #1 WR". I'd like to see that.

Here's the most direct suggestion I've read on "Patterson is the #1". Agree or parse at your discretion:

Greg Jennings hands No. 1 receiver baton to Cordarrelle PattersonPosted by Michael David Smith on June 23, 2014, 9:31 AM EDT
APLast year Greg Jennings led the Vikings with 68 catches and 804 receiving yards. This year, if all goes according to plan, it will beCordarrelle Patterson who serves as the team’s top receiver. And Jennings welcomes that.

Jennings told ESPN.com that after talking with head coach Mike Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner, he could see that the new coaching staff wants to make the talented Patterson the focal point of the passing game. Rather than grousing about having fewer passes thrown his way this year, Jennings has taken it upon himself to impress on Patterson that he needs to be ready to take a big step up in his second season.

“I wanted him to know that, coming in, the expectation of you is no longer ‘rookie.’It’s, ‘You gotta go. We saw what you can do. We’re gonna showcase this,’” Jennings said. “For me, it was making sure that he understands that he has to be a professional. He has to be a pro’s pro when he steps foot in this building, because we’re expecting [him] to give us what we’ve seen you put out there.”

Patterson wasn’t always the most consistent player as a rookie, but he was dynamite with the ball in his hands: Among his touchdowns were a 79-yard reception, runs of 33, 35 and 50 yards, and kickoff returns of 105 and 109 yards. Jennings said Patterson needs to be given more opportunities to do that.

“I’m going to be honest: Once I saw him make a couple plays, I’m like, ‘We’ve got to get him the ball. He does too much well for us not to get him the ball,’” Jennings said.

It could be said that more passes thrown to Patterson will mean fewer for Jennings, but Jennings isn’t worried about that.

“If I’m having success, it’s going to open up the door for success for other guys,” Jennings said. “If Cordarrelle’s having success, it’s going to open up the door for a lot of other guys, as well.”

Patterson’s success (or lack thereof) will be a major part of the Vikings’ success (or lack thereof), and Jennings knows that part of his role as the veteran in the receiving corps is to pave the way for Patterson to take his place as the No. 1 receiver.

 

[massraider]

I have Patterson, and I am not expecting #1 numbers. Not in the traditional sense. His points will come in bunches, not getting 7 catches for 110 yards.

He may wind up with the most fantasy points in Minny, but may be less consistent than Jennings. In fantasy, to me, he's WR3 with a bullet. You're gonna have to sit through some quiet weeks, then you get a score and big yards. I figure his points will come like Hilton or DeSean.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

There's the rub. I predict Patterson will be solidly entrenched with a 4th round ADP. Are you willing to invest that high of a pick in CP?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

There's the rub. I predict Patterson will be solidly entrenched with a 4th round ADP. Are you willing to invest that high of a pick in CP?

Why not? If we had all the answers this wouldnt be fun. Given what we have today I would take him in the fourth as my WR2 in PPR and hope he plays up to his talent, if not right away, then by playoff time.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I'd rather have Percy and deal wi his injury risk. I know there is no skills risk.

First one that jumped out at me and there is an obvious line that can be drawn between them.

Patterson has more ability to become a WR1 in the NFL than Harvin. Not only that, he has more opportunity.

More opportunity based on what? They will be used similarly in run heavy offenses. I bet their targets/touches per game are in the same ballpark.

Based on the fact that Sea has been 31st and 32nd the past 2 years in passing attempts and Patterson is going to be the WR1 in a Turner offense. The most attempts Sea has had in the past 2 years is 420. Turner has never, dating back to 2002, had an offense with that little attempts. Minn will throw the ball significantly more than Sea will.

Couple of things here. First, why is he the WR1 and not Jennings? It was alluded to earlier that he is not a deep threat, and therefore may not fit the typical Norv WR1. Second, if Teddy B starts a significant amount of games, they aren't going to be chucking it up. Similarly, I don't think they are going to have Cassel throwing 30+ times a game either. They do have AP after all. Go back and look at Rivers attempts under Norv. They may not have been below 420, but with a young Rivers and a strong (elite) RB, Rivers threw 460, 478, and 486. They didn't get over 500 attempts until LT was gone in 2010. This tells me they are going to be throwing about 450 times this year.Also, Seattle is rumored to be throwing more this year. Russell threw 407 in 2013, which coukd and should rise in 2014. And Harvin IS their #1 without question.

Have you not been paying any attention to the multiple reports this offseason saying that Patterson is going to be the WR1, including reports from Jennings himself? Patterson is the WR1 because the team has said so, multiple times. Maybe that changes but I'm going to have to believe it isn't just lip service at this point. These reports seem to come out on a weekly basis and here's another one from today. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000361529/Singletary-Cordarrelle-Patterson-is-going-to-be-a-superstar

So with a young Rivers and LT in his prime they averaged 474 passing attempts with a low of 460 yet you are predicting 450? How does that make sense, at all? Even if we take your low end number it's more than Sea has thrown the ball in the past 2 years. Sea can very well increase their pass attempts and still fall well short of what Minn will have.

Because Rivers > Teddy Cassel. By a lot.I haven't seen anything stating CP is the Vikings' WR1. Only that he will "be showcased" and "has figured out how to be a pro". Am I wrong about this? Please show me where the Vikings said "He's our top WR" or "he's our #1 WR". I'd like to see that.

First of all, Teddy Cassel isn't a person. Obviously Rivers is better than Cassell. But to say he's better than Teddy is silly. Is he better than Luck, RG3 or Wilson in your opinion? All of them were rookies not two years ago. Things change fast in the NFL. And being that were discussing dynasty and not this season you can't just assume Teddy is worse. For all you know, Bridgewater is the next Elway.

I say without hesitation that 3rd, 4th, and 5th year Philip Rivers is hands down better than whatever year Matt Cassel of the Vikings and rookie Teddy Bridgewater. FYI the discussion is about THIS season and whether or not he will be the team WR1 and put up Minnesota WR1 numbers, AND if he will get more touches than Harvin. He's good and I like him to a certain degree. But I expect Jennings to be the Vikings WR1 the majority if the season, and I expect Harvin to put up similar numbers.

 

[mere blitzianity]

I have Patterson, and I am not expecting #1 numbers. Not in the traditional sense. His points will come in bunches, not getting 7 catches for 110 yards.

He may wind up with the most fantasy points in Minny, but may be less consistent than Jennings. In fantasy, to me, he's WR3 with a bullet. You're gonna have to sit through some quiet weeks, then you get a score and big yards. I figure his points will come like Hilton or DeSean.

i couldn't agree more!

 

[MAC_32]

I have Patterson, and I am not expecting #1 numbers. Not in the traditional sense. His points will come in bunches, not getting 7 catches for 110 yards.

He may wind up with the most fantasy points in Minny, but may be less consistent than Jennings. In fantasy, to me, he's WR3 with a bullet. You're gonna have to sit through some quiet weeks, then you get a score and big yards. I figure his points will come like Hilton or DeSean.

I loved Hilton last year.

Because he was my #3 that I drafted in the 6th round.

That's when I want to draft these types. Not round 4, and likely sooner by draft day as I'll have to with Patterson.

 

[cstu]

I wish I owned Patterson so I could name my team The Corduroy Panttersons

 

[jurb26]

I have Patterson, and I am not expecting #1 numbers. Not in the traditional sense. His points will come in bunches, not getting 7 catches for 110 yards.

He may wind up with the most fantasy points in Minny, but may be less consistent than Jennings. In fantasy, to me, he's WR3 with a bullet. You're gonna have to sit through some quiet weeks, then you get a score and big yards. I figure his points will come like Hilton or DeSean.

I loved Hilton last year.Because he was my #3 that I drafted in the 6th round.

That's when I want to draft these types. Not round 4, and likely sooner by draft day as I'll have to with Patterson.

Patterson's current ADP is 5.02. It's probably a bit high but I'd pay that. The problem is you are held hostage by your selection slot as to weather or not you can justify it.Looking it over more, Patterson could be a huge hit or miss gamble worth taking for guys at the top of drafts right now. Assuming you are drafting 1 you could conceivably get this with your 1st 5 picks (PPR);

Charles

Cobb

R. Bush

C. Johnson

Patterson

RG3

G. Tate

 

[steveski]

I wish I owned Patterson so I could name my team The Corduroy Panttersons

Or similarly, the Corduroy Patternson

 

[massraider]

There's the rub. I predict Patterson will be solidly entrenched with a 4th round ADP. Are you willing to invest that high of a pick in CP?

No, that's pretty high.

I play almost no redraft, it's all keeper and dynasty, so redraft value is something I stay away from.

Patterson definitely seems like people might be year early. He's exciting, and people like having that guy on their team.

 

[Khy]

There's the rub. I predict Patterson will be solidly entrenched with a 4th round ADP. Are you willing to invest that high of a pick in CP?

No, that's pretty high.

I play almost no redraft, it's all keeper and dynasty, so redraft value is something I stay away from.

Patterson definitely seems like people might be year early. He's exciting, and people like having that guy on their team.

While we all might be a year early on him? I'd rather be a year early and then draft him again next season, then a year late and be kicking myself midseason. I feel like Patterson has a very serious shot at being one of the next massive breakout stars in this league but I do agree... his real breakout could be 2015 instead. You figure, they'd have a year under Norv, Teddy would have a year of NFL play under his belt, Patterson would have a year of being a every down WR. So yeah, I can definitely see next season being the big breakout. But I can also see him putting up one of those 70/1100/8 TD type of seasons that vaults him into a Top 5-10 WR selection in 2015 too.

Put it this way, right now? The +/- 5 guys at that position around him are...

Andre Johnson

Shane Vereen

DeSean Jackson

Roddy White

Rashad Jennings

Cordarrlle Patterson

Andrew Luck

Ben Tate

Trent Richardson

Vernon Davis

T.Y. Hilton

To me? He's the only guy who has that Elite POS1 upside of the group. While it's possible he puts up mediocre numbers and we're too early to the boat. It's also possible he has a 2012 Percy Harvin type season or a 2013 Josh Gordon type season too and just completely destroys the NFL. Realize, he looked REALLY REALLY good last year in limited play time. He now has a better QB and a better offensive coordinator. As well as a full year of offseason to help him progress. It's very very possible he sets the world ablaze this year. And I'd rather be on the train that gets to the station a little too slow than watching the train that gets to the station in record time.

If Patterson is there at the 4/5 turn, I think you'd be crazy not to take him. Any earlier than that though is a pretty high risk.

 

[jurb26]

Of the group above I think the guys with elite POS1 upside are; A. Johnson, D. Jackson and Patterson. All of them have some question marks this season. I guess it depends on how comfortable you are about those questions.

 

[MAC_32]

I'd pick Luck.

 

[jurb26]

I'd pick Luck.

Why when you can get RG3 2 rounds later?

 

[MAC_32]

I'd pick Luck.

Why when you can get RG3 2 rounds later?

because I think 2013 is his floor and I want to be there when he becomes a super star.

 

[steveski]

I'd pick Luck.

Why when you can get RG3 2 rounds later?

because I think 2013 is his floor and I want to be there when he becomes a super star.

I'm not sure I think Patterson will break out this year, but I think the chances of him having a "super star" year are much higher than Luck.

 

[Bob Magaw]

I think Patterson has a chance to be coveted in a neighborhood similar to Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant and Julio Jones in a year or two. That is the kind of upside I would value him at in weighing trade offers. It would take a massive offer to pry him away (speaking for myself).

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I say without hesitation that 3rd, 4th, and 5th year Philip Rivers is hands down better than whatever year Matt Cassel of the Vikings and rookie Teddy Bridgewater. FYI the discussion is about THIS season and whether or not he will be the team WR1 and put up Minnesota WR1 numbers, AND if he will get more touches than Harvin. He's good and I like him to a certain degree. But I expect Jennings to be the Vikings WR1 the majority if the season, and I expect Harvin to put up similar numbers.

Just for fun...

4th year Philip Rivers

277-460 60.2% 6.9ypa 3,152yds 21td 15int

Matt Cassel 2013 prorated out to 16 games

329-537 60.2% 7.1ypa 3,845yds 22td 20int

 

[Soulfly3]

I think Patterson has a chance to be coveted in a neighborhood similar to Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant and Julio Jones in a year or two. That is the kind of upside I would value him at in weighing trade offers. It would take a massive offer to pry him away.

I dont expect him to get to that level, but I did acquire him w the expectations he gets to a tier or two below that.

I say without hesitation that 3rd, 4th, and 5th year Philip Rivers is hands down better than whatever year Matt Cassel of the Vikings and rookie Teddy Bridgewater. FYI the discussion is about THIS season and whether or not he will be the team WR1 and put up Minnesota WR1 numbers, AND if he will get more touches than Harvin. He's good and I like him to a certain degree. But I expect Jennings to be the Vikings WR1 the majority if the season, and I expect Harvin to put up similar numbers.

Just for fun...

4th year Philip Rivers

277-460 60.2% 6.9ypa 3,152yds 21td 15int

Matt Cassel 2013 prorated out to 16 games

329-537 60.2% 7.1ypa 3,845yds 22td 20int

amazing. LOL. Love it.

 

[BlitzPickup]

Patterson was the 10th ranked WR in standard scoring last year weeks 10-17. That's a very good sample size and he wasn't even being used to his full potential weeks 10-13. If Minn uses him like they should I don't see how he ends up lower than top 10 with top 5 upside. I'm all in on Patterson and believe his 4th round price tag is worth the risk. Weeks 14-17 he was the #1 ranked WR! With Gerhart gone I see additional rushing opportunities too.