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RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson, PIT (1 Viewer)

He has 7 targets and 1 reception for 9 yards so far. He let a gimme long TD ride over his head in one of the most embarrassing plays I've seen this year.
I was waiting for the bump after seeing that play and replay.

Example number 749830 why Patterson isn't a good WR in the NFL

You can't 'get him the ball in space' when he can't catch a gimme TD with nothing but space (wide open field) by him and ahead of him.

 
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I'll have to watch it again, but how is Bridgewater overthrowing him by 5 yards an embarrassing play for Patterson?

 
They just showed a replay of the play from the endzone cam when highlighting Bridgewater's overthrows on the day. Ball was way overthrown and Patterson threw up his hands in frustration. Seemed pretty clear from that angle.

 
I'll have to watch it again, but how is Bridgewater overthrowing him by 5 yards an embarrassing play for Patterson?
You will definitely have to watch it again. He was not overthrown, C patt just couldn't make the catch for the gimme TD. I guess the sun is the excuse on that one

 
Someone talk me out of cutting him, please.
I guarantee that the week after you cut him he will explode for 20 points.

(Then you'll pick him back up and start him and he'll get another goose egg...)
I doubt I'll cut him, but only because their's nothing better on the wire. If he has another good game, I'll try to trade him for a six pack of IPA.
There were plenty of good WRs available on the wire last week, and even more 2 weeks ago, and even more 3 weeks ago.

 
Someone talk me out of cutting him, please.
I guarantee that the week after you cut him he will explode for 20 points.

(Then you'll pick him back up and start him and he'll get another goose egg...)
I doubt I'll cut him, but only because their's nothing better on the wire. If he has another good game, I'll try to trade him for a six pack of IPA.
There were plenty of good WRs available on the wire last week, and even more 2 weeks ago, and even more 3 weeks ago.
Well, every league is different. I got outbid for Moncrief and Martavis.

 
Dropped him a couple of weeks ago and my opponent today in a return league played him against me. Like a time bomb...Success!!!!

 
Dropped him a couple of weeks ago and my opponent today in a return league played him against me. Like a time bomb...Success!!!!
I dropped him 10/15 and the Vikes homer picked him up, has had in the Flex for 3 weeks - 26.70 points, 8.90 PPG (that includes 1 of his 2 'good' weeks).

CP will be the key piece to my championship run said no one ever.

 
I'm cutting. In a redraft and Hurns is on the wire. What sucks for me is I'm 12 of 12 in the priority list. I really need to find some guys I can start with even a little bit of confidence. So glad I wasted a mid round pick in this guy. Damn it. I held on way too long.

 
Really disheartening from the dynasty perspective. He seems to be regressing.
He and Bridgewater have missed connections on a couple of long gimme TDs this year. Both are going through growing pains, but I don't see any real reason to be down on either one long-term.

Judging by the responses in this thread, I think he's an easy dynasty buy at this point.

 
Really disheartening from the dynasty perspective. He seems to be regressing.
He and Bridgewater have missed connections on a couple of long gimme TDs this year. Both are going through growing pains, but I don't see any real reason to be down on either one long-term.
OK.

Patterson has basically caught 50-55% of his targets with 4 different quarterbacks, while all of his fellow receivers have been able to catch 60-65% of their targets. It's easy to say that he's just going through growing pains, but HE'S NOT GROWING. He's getting worse.

If you want to argue that Patterson is a downfield specialist, that's fine. But that's all he is. He's a north-south speedster with bad hands who is completely dependent upon the abilities of whoever is throwing him the ball.

 
I picked him up with 3 receivers on byes this week. I saw him running wide open with no DB within 30 yards of him, and Bridgewater just overshoots him. Terrible. Cutting him again Tuesday.

 
Really disheartening from the dynasty perspective. He seems to be regressing.
He and Bridgewater have missed connections on a couple of long gimme TDs this year. Both are going through growing pains, but I don't see any real reason to be down on either one long-term.
OK.

Patterson has basically caught 50-55% of his targets with 4 different quarterbacks, while all of his fellow receivers have been able to catch 60-65% of their targets. It's easy to say that he's just going through growing pains, but HE'S NOT GROWING. He's getting worse.

If you want to argue that Patterson is a downfield specialist, that's fine. But that's all he is. He's a north-south speedster with bad hands who is completely dependent upon the abilities of whoever is throwing him the ball.
Coming into this game, PFF charted Patterson with 45 catches on 50 catchable balls last year (5 drops), and 25 catches on 25 catchable balls this year (0 drops). That tells a slightly different story than your numbers.

He has plenty of things to work on, and I would argue the coaching staff does as well, but I think the narrative has overshot the reality in his case. I think the fact that expectations for him were so over-hyped coming into this year has a lot to do with that, and the pendulum has now fully swung to the other extreme.

I'd wager quite a bit that his current value will rise again significantly over the next year or so as things come together for the offense in MIN.

 
Really disheartening from the dynasty perspective. He seems to be regressing.
He and Bridgewater have missed connections on a couple of long gimme TDs this year. Both are going through growing pains, but I don't see any real reason to be down on either one long-term.
OK.

Patterson has basically caught 50-55% of his targets with 4 different quarterbacks, while all of his fellow receivers have been able to catch 60-65% of their targets. It's easy to say that he's just going through growing pains, but HE'S NOT GROWING. He's getting worse.

If you want to argue that Patterson is a downfield specialist, that's fine. But that's all he is. He's a north-south speedster with bad hands who is completely dependent upon the abilities of whoever is throwing him the ball.
Coming into this game, PFF charted Patterson with 45 catches on 50 catchable balls last year (5 drops), and 25 catches on 25 catchable balls this year (0 drops). That tells a slightly different story than your numbers.

He has plenty of things to work on, and I would argue the coaching staff does as well, but I think the narrative has overshot the reality in his case. I think the fact that expectations for him were so over-hyped coming into this year has a lot to do with that, and the pendulum has now fully swung to the other extreme.

I'd wager quite a bit that his current value will rise again significantly over the next year or so as things come together for the offense in MIN.
:goodposting:

As a CP owner, I was really surprised at how crazy the hype got this offseason/preseason. Many people whipped themselves into a frenzy over him, and now that he's not performing to their astronomical standards, many of those same people are whipping themselves to the other extreme.

I don't have access to GameRewind yet, so I haven't been able to watch every play he's run. I will later this season, though. Until then, I think PFF is the best grading system out there, and I trust them. When I get time later this year, you can bet I'll sit down for a few hours with a bowl of chips and dip, click on Rewind and then proceed to watch every play he's run. I'm really curious.

From what little I've seen of him this year, he's caught the balls he was supposed to. His catching ability isn't the issue. In fairness, some of the plays I've seen categorized as "bad passes" might have been that CP ran the route incorrectly or made a bad read on an option. These are correctable. You can be dumb and play WR - it will just take you longer to bang the correct routes and decisions into your head. Remember not too long ago WRs were famously "getting it" in year 3. Now, colleges are preparing them better so it's not always taking that long - except CP didn't have that full college experience. He could very well be that throwback "year three" WR.

To me, it's simple - he is/has been a drop in redraft (in standard formats). In dynasty he's a hold unless you are getting some great value. If you have watched every single play CP has run, and you think you can grade them better than PFF, then more power to you. You could be right - PFF is not perfect. But if neither one of the aforementioned apply to you, you should probably have a strong hold on Patterson. Remember - this is a player we've seen do things with the ball in his hands that we've only seen a handful of players able to do in a long time.

We can only guess on his work ethic (I've heard he worked hard last offseason) or how well he'll learn the offense, but we've seen what he can do with the ball in his hands. You really shouldn't bail on that in dynasty, unless you're just absolutely sure he's lazy and won't improve and/or PFF is totally off on their assessment.

 
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To me, it's simple - he is/has been a drop in redraft (in standard formats). In dynasty he's a hold unless you are getting some great value. If you have watched every single play CP has run, and you think you can grade them better than PFF, then more power to you. You could be right - PFF is not perfect. But if neither one of the aforementioned apply to you, you should probably have a strong hold on Patterson. Remember - this is a player we've seen do things with the ball in his hands that we've only seen a handful of players able to do in a long time.

We can only guess on his work ethic (I've heard he worked hard last offseason) or how well he'll learn the offense, but we've seen what he can do with the ball in his hands. You really shouldn't bail on that in dynasty, unless you're just absolutely sure he's lazy and won't improve and/or PFF is totally off on their assessment.
PFF is simply charting dropped balls with that stat. It simply suggests that CP's problem isn't his hands, based on their subjective call on what he coulda/shoulda/woulda caught. I don't blame anyone for holding out hope based on the physical upside. But don't do it because of that stat.

 
@mattvensel: Asked about why Bridgewater and Patterson aren't clicking, Zimmer said, more or less, "guys have to be where they are supposed to be."

Sounds like the missed bomb is on Patterson, not teddy

 
Steed said:
@mattvensel: Asked about why Bridgewater and Patterson aren't clicking, Zimmer said, more or less, "guys have to be where they are supposed to be."

Sounds like the missed bomb is on Patterson, not teddy
Give me a break. Patterson ran a go route, nobody picked him up, and Teddy threw it 5 yards over his head. There's no possible way to blame that one on Patterson. This "lost it in the sun nonsense" is ridiculous. As if it wasn't obvious enough from the original angle, they showed it again from the endzone camera later in the game and it was even more obvious, and the announcers even said as much.

Patterson has a LONG ways to go as a WR. It won't happen this year. Even still, it's funny how much a couple of bad passes can affect the tone in here. Bridgewater missed Patterson deep twice (in addition to the blown coverage, there was another one where Patterson ran a post and had 2 steps on the guy, and Bridgewater put it low and inside allowing the DB to make a play on the ball). Had he made good throws on each of those we're looking at 3-140-2 for Patterson and everyone is talking about how that is his upside every week again.

Regardless of Patterson's obvious need to improve as a WR, it's still frustrating how little they're using him as at the LoS. After he got behind the defense twice the Skins started lining up a good 10 yards off of Patterson, yet the Vikes never once took the opportunity to just flip it out to him and take the free 8 yard gain with a potential for more. It's mind boggling why they're not willing to do that when he's so good with the ball in his hands and when the defense was lining up so far off.

 
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Here's the play

Pretty clearly overthrown. Even if CP "lost it in the sun", he has no shot at really catching that and that's a throw an NFL QB has to make.
Yeah that's a ball you CANNOT overthrow. If anything, you underthrow that just to be safe since he was so wide open. Even if he didn't lose that in the sun, he probably would have had to dive to catch that and making a diving catch while at full sprint is not easy. He still wouldn't have scored. That play is on Teddy.

 
Here's the play

Pretty clearly overthrown. Even if CP "lost it in the sun", he has no shot at really catching that and that's a throw an NFL QB has to make.
Yeah that's a ball you CANNOT overthrow. If anything, you underthrow that just to be safe since he was so wide open. Even if he didn't lose that in the sun, he probably would have had to dive to catch that and making a diving catch while at full sprint is not easy. He still wouldn't have scored. That play is on Teddy.
Not sure i agree. For some reason, mid way through, CP decides to jog for about 5 yards and then speeds up again. Had he sprinted all the way through he probably would have ran right underneath it

 
Here's the play

Pretty clearly overthrown. Even if CP "lost it in the sun", he has no shot at really catching that and that's a throw an NFL QB has to make.
Yeah that's a ball you CANNOT overthrow. If anything, you underthrow that just to be safe since he was so wide open. Even if he didn't lose that in the sun, he probably would have had to dive to catch that and making a diving catch while at full sprint is not easy. He still wouldn't have scored. That play is on Teddy.
Not sure i agree. For some reason, mid way through, CP decides to jog for about 5 yards and then speeds up again. Had he sprinted all the way through he probably would have ran right underneath it
Im watching it on my phone and it's a little choppy so maybe I'm not seeing it right but it doesn't look like he's jogging, it looks like he's running but looking back at the QB so he will throw the ball since he's wide open. I believe as a WR you are supposed to do this. If a QB sees you that wide open he will probably throw it to you earlier than the route planned for so you should be looking and not running your route with your head down as if a guy is right on you.

Not making excuses for the guy...Just calling what I see. What he's doing is what I see every WR do when they are that wide open. They are looking for the ball and essentially ignoring the route.

 
Here's the play

Pretty clearly overthrown. Even if CP "lost it in the sun", he has no shot at really catching that and that's a throw an NFL QB has to make.
Yeah that's a ball you CANNOT overthrow. If anything, you underthrow that just to be safe since he was so wide open. Even if he didn't lose that in the sun, he probably would have had to dive to catch that and making a diving catch while at full sprint is not easy. He still wouldn't have scored. That play is on Teddy.
Not sure i agree. For some reason, mid way through, CP decides to jog for about 5 yards and then speeds up again. Had he sprinted all the way through he probably would have ran right underneath it
Im watching it on my phone and it's a little choppy so maybe I'm not seeing it right but it doesn't look like he's jogging, it looks like he's running but looking back at the QB so he will throw the ball since he's wide open. I believe as a WR you are supposed to do this. If a QB sees you that wide open he will probably throw it to you earlier than the route planned for so you should be looking and not running your route with your head down as if a guy is right on you.

Not making excuses for the guy...Just calling what I see. What he's doing is what I see every WR do when they are that wide open. They are looking for the ball and essentially ignoring the route.
Yeah he looks back but he starts looking back right after his break and continues to do so throughout the route. Im not saying he's right or wrong but it may explain the bad overthrow. He slows down markedly for about 10 yards then kicks it into overdrive, all while looking back at Teddy.

 
To me, it's simple - he is/has been a drop in redraft (in standard formats). In dynasty he's a hold unless you are getting some great value. If you have watched every single play CP has run, and you think you can grade them better than PFF, then more power to you. You could be right - PFF is not perfect. But if neither one of the aforementioned apply to you, you should probably have a strong hold on Patterson. Remember - this is a player we've seen do things with the ball in his hands that we've only seen a handful of players able to do in a long time.

We can only guess on his work ethic (I've heard he worked hard last offseason) or how well he'll learn the offense, but we've seen what he can do with the ball in his hands. You really shouldn't bail on that in dynasty, unless you're just absolutely sure he's lazy and won't improve and/or PFF is totally off on their assessment.
PFF is simply charting dropped balls with that stat. It simply suggests that CP's problem isn't his hands, based on their subjective call on what he coulda/shoulda/woulda caught. I don't blame anyone for holding out hope based on the physical upside. But don't do it because of that stat.
Agreed. Don't rely on just that stat. Which is why that blurb you quoted was part of a larger post. And in response to a previous poster saying he was not catching balls thrown his way, it is extremely relevant taken alone.

 
Acrobat7 said:
KellysHeroes said:
How is Tavon Austin a colossal bust while Patterson is a hold?
Because nobody will give you anything in a trade?
LOL, I have both Austin and Patterson and the updates I get for them are funny. Usually they produce the same numbers weekly (CP had 2 bigger games ofcourse) and the Austin updates are "the colossal bust continues" while the Patterson updates preach patience. Toss in Keenan Allen as my other WR and the guy w/ my 2015 1st is loving his 1.01 pick next yr.

 

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