Boston
Footballguy
I'm not familiar with him and I'm sure he does a good job...just can't wrap my head around someone thinking preseason game usage is a big indicator of what will happen in the regular season.
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I'm not familiar with him and I'm sure he does a good job...just can't wrap my head around someone thinking preseason game usage is a big indicator of what will happen in the regular season.
Boston
Footballguy
I don't think RB usage in three drives in a preseason game is a valid concern.
a guy I know actually ran a correlation analysis between pre season performance and regular season performance. for the most part its terrible. especially for RB.
the correlation is a little better for WR. if a WR lights it up in pre season they will sometimes carry that through to the regular season. but that correlation is generally pretty low too. Not as low as for the other skill positions. there is a statistical correlation for the WR position but not a strong one.
granted it was a one year analysis and I"d be the first guy to say each year is unique. But I've noticed the same thing in the past and just never thought to go and try to prove it with statistics like this guy did.
either way, food for your thoughts
Big Nate
Footballguy
I've been following him for last 2 years and it is worth it if you want to sort out muddied backfields and who is running with the starters and who gets taken out or left in once the starters leave.
It also gives me an idea of who to keep an eye on for early waivers or pick up in my deep dynasty leagues.
How often is a RB1 playing in the third quarter of a preseason game? I don’t think it’s an issue for Zamir but it is odd
Big Nate
Footballguy
Didn't Jacobs one year play nearly the whole game and then he went on to get a full workload that year?
Chaka
Footballguy
Yes, but this isn't a muddied backfield. Don't believe the hype.
Zamir is the starter and will get the bulk of the carries. Mattison is the primary backup and will see significant, but less, action.
Touch distribution in the passing game is a question mark. Marttison has proven to not be dynamic as a runner or receiver. He's serviceable but has the advantage a lot of experience.
Zamir hasn't seen enough targets to really know where he fits in the passing game.
Then there is this Laube kid who may emerge as the Ronnie Harmon of the offense if the camp reports are to be believed. That could render both Zamir & Marttison as relative non-factors in the passing game.
massraider
Footballguy
Great memory, and there were some scorching hot takes after that game that looked really stupid by week 2.
Raiders played almost all their starters a TON last week, not just Zamir. And the coaches said that was gonna happen. And the reason is, I am guessing, they have a QB battle, need to see them both with starters. Plus they are among the youngest teams in the league.
This guy might know his stuff about muddy backfields, but this one ain't muddy, and this is a miss.
Know what I did NOT read after the game? Laube got almost no work with the starters (Mattison AND Abdullah did however), and hasn't really gotten much play at all.
Maybe they are hiding him, trying to stash him on the PS, but that's a real concern, and no one wants the lil white dude from New Hampshire to make it more than me.
I am guessing we didn't hear about that from the content guys because no one wants to hear it.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
This is my feeling on it as well.x.com
x.com
I also heard someone on a fantasy podcast say last week Pierce seems like the kind of coach who won't stop the run even in games that they are very behind in. Pure speculation, but I get the same vibes as well. They don't have a great QB to begin with, and the running game is what opens up the passing game even more for average and below average QBs.
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nittanylion
Footballguy
Laube to the moon!
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Horrible. Think he’s droppable? That was not a good showing and it feels like Najee Warren all over again but even worse value
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
Lol at coach giving Mattison the goalline touchdown. That's his way of letting White know he didn't deserve to score.
I'm with coach, this guy stinks!!
I'm with coach, this guy stinks!!
LawFitz
Footballguy
Getsy ZBS install isn't agreeing with the Raider OL or Zamir. He is a power-blocking runner. He doesn't have the patience or lateral movement for the ZBS - definitely not so far, at least. This is all kinds of not good, because I don't ever recall an OC changing his blocking schemes midseason.
Big Nate
Footballguy
So what is the deal here. White did have 63% of the snaps, Mattison only 22%. Mattison only had 4 rush attempts for 1 yard total (and of course the TD). But I don't think Mattison is the answer here.
Better days for White or does their run game just suck that much. I haven't watched the games.
Better days for White or does their run game just suck that much. I haven't watched the games.
LawFitz
Footballguy
ZBS misfit IMO. Either he will learn and adjust, or the OC will - or neither will and frustrations will continue all season. Not sure if Mattison is a better fit, but there were some moments in week 1 where it seemed that way. Haven't watched yesterday's game for additional insight.
dipandglide
Footballguy
ZW is a plodder who doesn't catch passes. Why are people surprised at this low floor?
Dizzy
Footballguy
His ranking never made sense. Play this fantasy football thing long enough, and one day you realize that you have been at this a LOT longer than the experts. The eyeball test is real.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Zamir has a number of limitations and valid criticisms. That said, he is NOT a plodder. Dude has legit explosiveness. It's his vision, patience and wiggle that are suspect. Last year's scheme worked for him.
There should have been more conversation about this during the offseason. We knew about the new OC and that he's a ZBS guy. I don't recall anyone talking about it though.
There should have been more conversation about this during the offseason. We knew about the new OC and that he's a ZBS guy. I don't recall anyone talking about it though.
Yeah, i would have appreciated reading this conversation. My fault but didn't realize they switched.
Yeah, didn't hear a thing about it.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
End of the day he’s getting more touches and there could be positive changes coming considering team has some weapons around him. Also he caught 3 of 4 targets so it’s not that he’s a nothing in the receiving game. Hes just not as graceful
Rockchild
Footballguy
If you're a 3rd baseman, yes!
LawFitz
Footballguy
This new article chronicles the problem and potential incoming solution for Zamir's 2024 prospects...
www.silverandblackpride.com
TL;DR - Zamir is not a ZBS back; AP is aware and willing to change the scheme.
Raiders’ rushing attack needs philosophical change
Las Vegas’ running game has been putrid so far, but a change in play calling could give the team a spark
www.silverandblackpride.com
TL;DR - Zamir is not a ZBS back; AP is aware and willing to change the scheme.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
How do you change a scheme mid season and expect the players to gel with it? This coach doesn’t seem to get it? Idk. I don’t want to start white but the matchup entices me but something still feels off like he will flop againThis new article chronicles the problem and potential incoming solution for Zamir's 2024 prospects...
Raiders’ rushing attack needs philosophical change
Las Vegas’ running game has been putrid so far, but a change in play calling could give the team a spark
TL;DR - Zamir is not a ZBS back; AP is aware and willing to change the scheme.
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
I don't care about his 4 game stretch last year. There's a word in the business for guys like this...
STINKS!!!
STINKS!!!
dipandglide
Footballguy
"Alexander Mattison has more than twice as many fantasy points as Zamir White through 3 weeks (35.7-14.8)."
https://x.com/GuruFantasyWrld/status/1837995532112822780
https://x.com/GuruFantasyWrld/status/1837995532112822780
Big Nate
Footballguy
Not sure I want Mattison either at this point. 7 carries for 8 yards the last 2 games. He's lucky he has fallen into the endzone twice.
This rushing attack is not looking good.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Curious for Power vs. ZBS splits from yesterday, if anyone has them. If they switched to Power and still couldn't run the ball, look out below.
Either way, I have little to zero faith in Getsy to right this ship. Losing faith in AP as well with each passing week that he idly watches Getsy ruin this OL, and by extension the entire offense and team.
Either way, I have little to zero faith in Getsy to right this ship. Losing faith in AP as well with each passing week that he idly watches Getsy ruin this OL, and by extension the entire offense and team.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
I'm still not convinced he sucks. You don't need a stacked box if you know they will just run it on first and second down. You don't even have to show you're playing run- just blitz the gaps.[Gutierrez] Per @NextGenStats , #Raiders Zamir White was one of 2 RBS in the league who did not face a single stacked box this week (min. 10 carries): Zamir White: 34 yards on 10 carries, -3 RYOE Emanuel Wilson: 50 yards on 12 carries, 0 RYOE
x.com
The coaching is so predictable that no one will succeed.
I'll be ready to say the guy sucks if I see there is actually some competent rhythm and coaching going on.
I think it also depends on the defense. some teams naturally defend the run well without a stacked box. so if he didnt face a stacked box, how does that defense normally fare against the run? Thats what you need to ask yourself. I'm too busy at work to do this research but I'm betting one of you has the time and ability. Get us this info.I'm still not convinced he sucks. You don't need a stacked box if you know they will just run it on first and second down. You don't even have to show you're playing run- just blitz the gaps.[Gutierrez] Per @NextGenStats , #Raiders Zamir White was one of 2 RBS in the league who did not face a single stacked box this week (min. 10 carries): Zamir White: 34 yards on 10 carries, -3 RYOE Emanuel Wilson: 50 yards on 12 carries, 0 RYOE
x.com
The coaching is so predictable that no one will succeed.
I'll be ready to say the guy sucks if I see there is actually some competent rhythm and coaching going on.
Ut oh!
Hurt groin today!
www.reviewjournal.com
Hurt groin today!
Raiders report: Running back’s injury could elevate Alexander Mattison
Starting running back Zamir White was already in danger of ceding carries to Alexander Mattison before White suffered a groin injury during Wednesday’s practice.
www.reviewjournal.com
Birdie048
Footballguy
Inquiring minds want to know!
Yeah, he is burning a roster spot and I am considering just dropping him for a shiny new toy
He was recently dropped in my deep league and no one has picked him up.
Wrigley
Footballguy
He’s on my wire
Hartliner
Footballguy
Just picked him up in 12 team after someone dropped him, hopefully he is declared out(its trending that way) and I can stash on IR. He crapped the bed early on but, bye weeks would make it hard to hold. Things change fast. Looked at their early schedule and I can see the matchups have been tough cept for CAR. I'm willing to see what happens week 7 atm against Rams before I axe. They were a 5th round draft pick-sunk cost fallacy for someone I didn't even draft.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I am just back here for Zamir White Drafters Anonymous - I forget where I am at in the 12 step process, but are we dropping him? Is there anyone out there still holding this guy or am I the only idiot?
Any Raiders fans care to weigh in on this guy? I think it speaks volumes that he is being out JAG'd by the jaggiest JAG in Mattison. It feels weird this guy isn't able to cobble together enough talent to plod his way into a timeshare but this team looks like an all-out dumpster fire and there seems like zero reason to hold.
Any Raiders fans care to weigh in on this guy? I think it speaks volumes that he is being out JAG'd by the jaggiest JAG in Mattison. It feels weird this guy isn't able to cobble together enough talent to plod his way into a timeshare but this team looks like an all-out dumpster fire and there seems like zero reason to hold.
joey
Footballguy
I’m only holding him in a couple of dynasty leagues where there aren’t really “better” RB dart throws on the wire.
As a raiders fan….the talk in the Raiders thread is that the new OC brought in a zone (or wide zone, or something like that) running scheme that doesn’t suit Zamir’s style, hence his inability to show similar results to the end of last year. Who knows.
