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RB Zamir White, LV (2 Viewers)
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Big Nate
Footballguy
Like I said earlier in the thread, never write a guy off. Some said was a JAG, some said he was trash. I said he hasn't got a chance yet. Same thing stands as I said before, we don't know if he will be a long term fantasy football "startable" RB. BUT - in his last 4 games he totaled 84 carries 400 yards (4.7ypc) and a TD with 13 added on targets. Solid numbers if you needed an RB2 or a flex play. If you had him as a handcuff he didn't kill you in the playoffs. It was his first meaningful games and he showed he can handle the NFL and produce.
Those who wrote him off missed out on a useable RB for the playoff run. Long term? We don't know what he will be but so far he has shown he can produce. Two games with over 100 yards rushing is nothing to write-off.
Those who wrote him off missed out on a useable RB for the playoff run. Long term? We don't know what he will be but so far he has shown he can produce. Two games with over 100 yards rushing is nothing to write-off.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I was one of the jagoffs who called Zamir a JAG. He looked night/day better at the end of the season than he did at any other point in his brief Raiders career, including a couple extended preseason looks against scrubs. This was especially true in the toughness of his running and ability to break tackles.
What changed? Besides perhaps some unknown health considerations and/or natural leveling up as a 2nd-yr pro, the big obvious change was going from Josh McDaniels to Antonio Pierce. Zamir was one of a bunch of Raiders who looked WAY better playing for the latter, including most of the OL/DL units. AP had a huge effect on this team's toughness, and that seemed to fit very well with Zeus' skillset and persona. Hopefully, they stay together and do it again and more next season.
What changed? Besides perhaps some unknown health considerations and/or natural leveling up as a 2nd-yr pro, the big obvious change was going from Josh McDaniels to Antonio Pierce. Zamir was one of a bunch of Raiders who looked WAY better playing for the latter, including most of the OL/DL units. AP had a huge effect on this team's toughness, and that seemed to fit very well with Zeus' skillset and persona. Hopefully, they stay together and do it again and more next season.
staggerlee2
Footballguy
what a jag.
staggerlee2
Footballguy
Didn’t age well, eh?
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I'm not holding it against you. You made a bad first impression. Shake it off. Nobody else thought about this thread the next day.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Dude feels like a lock for the starting job next year. Always churned the pile forward
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
I hope so. Let Jacobs walk and use that money elsewhere next year.
Big Nate
Footballguy
He's definitely in the running. Wouldn't be surprised if they draft another RB or even bring one in during free agency. These days it is almost all RBBC, especially with how many injuries there are.
Overall though he earned another chance.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
To be fair, I thought you're comment was humorous then, and still find it humorous now. So to me, it aged quite well lol.
And yes, Zamir has looked better than good these last few weeks. He's a great hold going into next season. But like others have alluded to, anything can happen in the offseason. Allgeier looked similarly tasty heading into the 2023 offseason until Falcons drafted Bijan. Obviously Raiders aren't in position to grab a Bijan (nor does it look like there's even a RB of that caliber available in this upcoming draft) but I would not be the least bit surprised to see them add some competition. I don't think I'd be buying high on him till at least after the draft.
massraider
Footballguy
I would be selling if I owned in dynasty.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Confession: I haven't even considered the actual topic at any point in this thread. So thanks for getting me to think about it.
Something about the guy gives me Alexander Mattison vibes. More opportunity-based value than actual talent. Can he actually carry a team when he's the guy with expectations, and not just playing out the string? Maybe. I hope so; I'd like to have another viable option on draft day. Good opportunity on a bad team? Not sure we need another Mattison/Brian Robinson type, but we'll see.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Bumping for further thoughts..buy for a reasonable cost or not worth a look? Did not get a chance to see him play this year so wondering if he has a chance to actually be the 1A.
joey
Footballguy
I roster him in 2 FFPC style leagues (Basically keep 14 skill position players)
As a possible seller, I’m not looking to give him up for “cheap” in case he gets named the starter in LV. probably more than a buyer is willing to spend with such question marks around him.
Of course, if Jacobs resigns, his value plummets and I’m left holding the bag.
I think most folks thought he couldn’t perform as the #1 due to his work to date…and then the end of this past season happened where White put up some good numbers and looked really good. so pre-2023 season, he’s a 4th round value AT BEST and maybe he’s moved up to a 2nd round value now.
2 cents
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Guys like this are always tough to read. Had not shown much prior and then has a small stretch of decent production. Was it fresh legs…did the light go on? If they do not bring Jacobs back they will most definitely draft someone…ultimately I just have no clue how talented he is.
joey
Footballguy
Agreed. If I could get a 2nd for him now with all those unknowns, I’d snap accept
Big Nate
Footballguy
I don't fault you for this but it is basically swapping picks and rerolling. He likely was a 2nd round pick so getting back about equal value. No loss, and a chance to reroll or turn it into something bigger in a package deal. Didn't lose value so that is a positive.
But, and I ask this to everyone, would you rather just hold to see if he ends up being a starting back this year? Some of it depends if you need RBs and if so then I think those people would hold. As for selling, right now might not get max value.
I'm torn at this point as I do believe he has talent to be at least a solid back-up in the NFL. He could have 3-4 years at worse as the 2nd back in a committee - which immediately turns value if the starter goes down. He also showed he can play so he's worth a lot mid-season if he becomes the starter.
I don't fault people for trading and getting a 2nd pick which is probably fair value at this point in the cycle but I might hold for in-season and trade to an RB needy team.
mashedbananas
Footballguy
I am holding. I am thinking they are going to draft a RB but I am not overly confident about this year's RBs in the draft so I think he would have a good chance to compete for a starting role ......my bigger concern is they sign a RB Free Agent....
joey
Footballguy
thanks for the replies.
Note the FFPC format. You only keep 14 skill position players in this dynasty format. So now is around the time in these leagues when folks start trading end of bench players for picks to get some return instead of outright dropping them.
FWIW, my RBs in this league are Bijan Robinson, WalkerIII, JJWilliams, Allgeier, Charbonnet, Herbert.
BigJim®
Footballguy
For me it's even less than reroll given it is a 2025 vs 2024 2nd, which makes it <> a 3rd round 2024 value, JMHO. The jury is definitely still out on Zamir, but no moreso than any asset you'd value as a 2024 3rd rounder. I've seen enough to hold at that value, and only trade at all if an owner wants to bet on his upside, not his downside. With this trade offer, Zamir is indifferent with the likes of Emani Bailey/Braelon Allen, and other 3rd round 2024 RB targets..
Big Nate
Footballguy
Good points, very much league/settings/size dependant.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Meh, in the grand scheme this only matters so much. How exactly does that play out... big pay extension after a disappointing season that they chose not to give following a rushing leader season? Reapply the franchise tag at an even steeper 120% of market value? It sort of begs the question "If not then, why the heck now?"
Big Nate
Footballguy
It's good for Jacobs if Pierce and him stay long term. We then know what we get with Jacobs but having said that, White has shown he can work in. Maybe they give Jacobs some more rest to keep him healthy down the stretch. As a long time Jacobs owner, he is always banged up. He plays through a lot of it, so credit to him there, but with a long term deal maybe he gets some more rest throughout the season.
joey
Footballguy
You can say value wise, right now, a 2025 2nd is like a 2024 3rd, but NEXT YEAR I will have an actual extra 2nd round pick to work with, and White was likely not making my 14 keeper list this year anyway. League format definitely comes in play here, as mentioned above.
Im also a Raiders fan, btw, and know that having LESS Raiders on my fantasy roster is usually a good thing (until proven otherwise)
BigJim®
Footballguy
White not making your roster anyway is what I missed. Heck 2027 4th is value under those facts.You can say value wise, right now, a 2025 2nd is like a 2024 3rd, but NEXT YEAR I will have an actual extra 2nd round pick to work with, and White was likely not making my 14 keeper list this year anyway. League format definitely comes in play here, as mentioned above.
Im also a Raiders fan, btw, and know that having LESS Raiders on my fantasy roster is usually a good thing (until proven otherwise)
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
They will add someone(s), but a nice bump for Zamir holders. Ekeler to Commanders… Henry and Aaron Jones lingering and rookies… but the initial wave is promising at least.Bump
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Boone22
Footballguy
SSSHHHHHHH! You’re gonna jinx it!
massraider
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Another win for Zamir today. Mattison looked like cooked molasses last year. Maybe he was dinged up, but I remember watching him and Dalvin in years prior and thinking “this guy?”
massraider
Footballguy
Here's a video of every Zamir touch in 2023, because the internet is amazing
Zamir truthers need to keep an eye on that RG spot. His game is inside. Everything Pacheco does. From what I can tell, their roles are identical. Zeus looked good with BAD interior play last year. If it can get up to decent, arrow is pointing up.
Also, ran a 4.4 at the combine at 215 pounds, with a 1.51 10 yard split.
LOL. I thought the same thing, but you have to watch the clip to make sense.I don't even know what this means in English, let alone Coachspeak ...x.com
x.com
I agree with the earlier post that I hear him saying Mattison is here too. Don't assume anything. It certainly didn't sound like he was endorsing him as the primary guy.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Camp speak imo, keep pushing guys. I would be shocked if both remained healthy Zamir doesn’t see the majority of carries.LOL. I thought the same thing, but you have to watch the clip to make sense.I don't even know what this means in English, let alone Coachspeak ...x.com
I agree with the earlier post that I hear him saying Mattison is here too. Don't assume anything. It certainly didn't sound like he was endorsing him as the primary guy.
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eighsse2
Footballguy
That makes more sense now, haha. I guess I just assumed that was all the tweet was.LOL. I thought the same thing, but you have to watch the clip to make sense.I don't even know what this means in English, let alone Coachspeak ...x.com
I agree with the earlier post that I hear him saying Mattison is here too. Don't assume anything. It certainly didn't sound like he was endorsing him as the primary guy.
nittanylion
Footballguy
@Boston
Do you know much about Dwain McFarland and his Utilization Report?
What Faust posted above is posted in a vacuum. It's very worthwhile to search for and check out DMcF's content, if you have the opportunity. In the context of his wheelhouse (The Utilization Report), this twitter post is more understandable.
JMHO, but I find him to be one of the most compelling minds in all of FF, and believe me, as invested as I am in National High Stakes Contests, I have thoroughly vetted a great deal of themt
Do you know much about Dwain McFarland and his Utilization Report?
What Faust posted above is posted in a vacuum. It's very worthwhile to search for and check out DMcF's content, if you have the opportunity. In the context of his wheelhouse (The Utilization Report), this twitter post is more understandable.
JMHO, but I find him to be one of the most compelling minds in all of FF, and believe me, as invested as I am in National High Stakes Contests, I have thoroughly vetted a great deal of themt
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massraider
Footballguy
Me too, but everything from Vegas points to him getting as many carries as he can handle.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Personally, I'm drafting Dylan Laube late, everywhere I can get him...and Blake Corum several rounds before that, for the same reason. I think that those two backfields are ripe for the taking, and I'm quite happy taking them as my 4th/5th and 6th/7th RB's to fill out the back end of my RB room, for late season/playoff returns.
