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RB Zamir White, LV (1 Viewer)

Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Can you summarize what you take away from the video for us lazy people who don't want to watch it?
 
Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Can you summarize what you take away from the video for us lazy people who don't want to watch it?
The whole point is to see how big Zamir White looks...so he looks like an absolute unit
 
Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Too Long:Didn't Watch

How about a synopsis for those of us who don't want to watch a 16 minute video? What doe you mean when you ask anyone who is hoping Jacobs holds out should look at the video.

That's all.
 
Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Can you summarize what you take away from the video for us lazy people who don't want to watch it?
The whole point is to see how big Zamir White looks...so he looks like an absolute unit
Thanks. And that is why you think people shouldn't (should?) hope Jacobs holds out?
 
Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Can you summarize what you take away from the video for us lazy people who don't want to watch it?
The whole point is to see how big Zamir White looks...so he looks like an absolute unit
Thanks. And that is why you think people shouldn't (should?) hope Jacobs holds out?
It's not that serious. It's mainly pointing out that if Jacobs was to hold out or get injured white is a good cuff/dynasty hold. He looks like a beast right now and runs a 4.40. You are looking way to hard into this..
 
Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Can you summarize what you take away from the video for us lazy people who don't want to watch it?
The whole point is to see how big Zamir White looks...so he looks like an absolute unit
Thanks. And that is why you think people shouldn't (should?) hope Jacobs holds out?
It's not that serious. It's mainly pointing out that if Jacobs was to hold out or get injured white is a good cuff/dynasty hold. He looks like a beast right now and runs a 4.40. You are looking way to hard into this..
Thank you and not at all. Frankly, Zamir has seemed to be an obvious cuff for Jacobs IMO. From your comment I just thought something in that video would provide insight into the Jacobs situation.

Zamir = big unit (???) doesn't terribly excite vis-a-vis fantasy news.
 
Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Can you summarize what you take away from the video for us lazy people who don't want to watch it?
The whole point is to see how big Zamir White looks...so he looks like an absolute unit
Thanks. And that is why you think people shouldn't (should?) hope Jacobs holds out?
It's not that serious. It's mainly pointing out that if Jacobs was to hold out or get injured white is a good cuff/dynasty hold. He looks like a beast right now and runs a 4.40. You are looking way to hard into this..
Thank you and not at all. Frankly, Zamir has seemed to be an obvious cuff for Jacobs IMO. From your comment I just thought something in that video would provide insight into the Jacobs situation.

Zamir = big unit (???) doesn't terribly excite vis-a-vis fantasy news.
Okay good talk bud. Between this thread and the thread about the dynasty trade you seem like you are in a foul mood. I hope everything gets better for you.
 
Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Can you summarize what you take away from the video for us lazy people who don't want to watch it?
The whole point is to see how big Zamir White looks...so he looks like an absolute unit
Thanks. And that is why you think people shouldn't (should?) hope Jacobs holds out?
It's not that serious. It's mainly pointing out that if Jacobs was to hold out or get injured white is a good cuff/dynasty hold. He looks like a beast right now and runs a 4.40. You are looking way to hard into this..
Thank you and not at all. Frankly, Zamir has seemed to be an obvious cuff for Jacobs IMO. From your comment I just thought something in that video would provide insight into the Jacobs situation.

Zamir = big unit (???) doesn't terribly excite vis-a-vis fantasy news.
Okay good talk bud. Between this thread and the thread about the dynasty trade you seem like you are in a foul mood. I hope everything gets better for you.
Wow, and I thought HSG was the guy in a bad mood.

I apologize if I came across as salty. I just thought there would be Jacobs news in the video you posted.

That's all. No big deal.
 
^^^ That said, Zamir not getting nearly enough attention, given the sour state of affairs with Jacobs and the Raiders. No telling right now where that will go and there is a growing, and already significantly non-zero chance that Jacobs has already played his last game in Silver & Black. If Jacobs somehow become out of the picture, there will be a major vacuum for RB fantasy points in this offense, assuming Jimmy G doesn't totally flop. The OL was beasting in the run game the 2nd half of last season and is bringing everyone back this year.
 
Look at this absolute UNIT


Anyone else that is on hopium that Jacobs holds out look at the video.
TL: DW synopsis please.

I don't think many in here are hoping Jacobs will continue his holdout.
I have no idea what you are saying to be honest brother.
Can you summarize what you take away from the video for us lazy people who don't want to watch it?
The whole point is to see how big Zamir White looks...so he looks like an absolute unit
Thanks. And that is why you think people shouldn't (should?) hope Jacobs holds out?
It's not that serious. It's mainly pointing out that if Jacobs was to hold out or get injured white is a good cuff/dynasty hold. He looks like a beast right now and runs a 4.40. You are looking way to hard into this..
Thank you and not at all. Frankly, Zamir has seemed to be an obvious cuff for Jacobs IMO. From your comment I just thought something in that video would provide insight into the Jacobs situation.

Zamir = big unit (???) doesn't terribly excite vis-a-vis fantasy news.
Okay good talk bud. Between this thread and the thread about the dynasty trade you seem like you are in a foul mood. I hope everything gets better for you.
Wow, and I thought HSG was the guy in a bad mood.

I apologize if I came across as salty. I just thought there would be Jacobs news in the video you posted.

That's all. No big deal.
No it was just supposed to be fun. If there was major Jacobs news I'd post it in his thread.
 
You know who else had huge arms? The OG Michael Pittman. You know who didn't? Ladanian Tomlinson.

Big legs and butt way more important for RBs.
I always thought Pittman was underappreciated. He played before PPR became the norm but he was a better version of James White. I think he'd be a sought after commodity in today's NFL.

No Ladanian of course but he had some skill.
 
For reference, I had trade talks with the Zamir owner in my league (12-team, 20-man, ppr, RB crazy league). Based on our offers, his value would be in the #9 - #12 rookie pick range. That is to say, he offered White for my #8, I rejected and countered with my #13 for White, which was also rejected. However, I do feel like I may have been overreacting a little with my offer, and perhaps I wouldn't accept if he offered for the #13 today.
 
For reference, I had trade talks with the Zamir owner in my league (12-team, 20-man, ppr, RB crazy league). Based on our offers, his value would be in the #9 - #12 rookie pick range. That is to say, he offered White for my #8, I rejected and countered with my #13 for White, which was also rejected. However, I do feel like I may have been overreacting a little with my offer, and perhaps I wouldn't accept if he offered for the #13 today.
As a white truther I would put his value more as a second with the Jacobs uncertainty. Feels like a first is an overpay.
 
For reference, I had trade talks with the Zamir owner in my league (12-team, 20-man, ppr, RB crazy league). Based on our offers, his value would be in the #9 - #12 rookie pick range. That is to say, he offered White for my #8, I rejected and countered with my #13 for White, which was also rejected. However, I do feel like I may have been overreacting a little with my offer, and perhaps I wouldn't accept if he offered for the #13 today.
As a white truther I would put his value more as a second with the Jacobs uncertainty. Feels like a first is an overpay.
Where did you draft him?

ETA: Asking because I think I took him 2.6-2.8 last year, fully expecting 2022 to be a lost year. I couldn’t justify waiting out that year - only to trade now for the same value (technically less for 2024 2nd). But, I agree I don’t see anyone offering a 1st.

Just an odd player to buy or sell. Truthers have no reason to doubt… it’s no shame being stuck behind the NFL’s top 2022 rusher. OTOH skeptics haven’t seen anything to change their mind. He may just not be tradable… yet.
 
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For reference, I had trade talks with the Zamir owner in my league (12-team, 20-man, ppr, RB crazy league). Based on our offers, his value would be in the #9 - #12 rookie pick range. That is to say, he offered White for my #8, I rejected and countered with my #13 for White, which was also rejected. However, I do feel like I may have been overreacting a little with my offer, and perhaps I wouldn't accept if he offered for the #13 today.
As a white truther I would put his value more as a second with the Jacobs uncertainty. Feels like a first is an overpay.
I did say "RB crazy league" but that is still a bit of an understatement on my part. So our numbers line up similarly if you translate them. Zamir was picked at #4 in our rookie draft.
 
Late 3rd round rookie selection in 1QB. I would take a shot on someone falling to the 2.8 / 2.9 or a '24 2nd, but I don't think anyone in my league is offering it yet.
 
The Athletic’s Tashan Reed said Raiders RB Zamir White “will be acting as the starting running back” as long as Josh Jacobs is away.

White was listed as the No. 1 back on the Raiders’ first unofficial depth chart for last week’s preseason game against the 49ers. White rushed 13 times for 43 yards and one touchdown in the Raiders’ preseason win while playing with the backups. The former Georgia Bulldog has good size (6'0/215) and speed (4.40 40-yard dash) but never saw a true bell cow role in college. In 37 career games, White handled 15 or more rush attempts on just six occasions — a number that could increase drastically as the Raiders’ RB1. The possibility of Jacobs returning still looms, but White is an interesting late-round value as the season draws closer.
 
It’s been well-documented that Zamir White has a huge opportunity in front of him this month while Josh Jacobs is away from the team. However, White is struggling to make the most of it.

It’s not a good sign that Las Vegas has brought in a couple of running backsDamien Williams and Darwin Thompson—during training camp. That probably means the coaching staff isn’t liking what they’re seeing from White, and he struggled to create yards against the 49ers.

The Georgia product had 43 yards on 13 carries which comes out to an average of just 3.3 yards per attempt and a lot of that was due to the offensive line. According to Pro Football Focus, he had 2.15 yards after contact per rush which ranked 55th out of 98 qualifying running backs over the weekend. For comparison’s sake, Josh Jacobs averaged 3.40 and was 11th-best in the metric during the 2022 regular season.

White also only forced one missed tackle on his 13 carries and while 34 other backs had the same amount, the biggest difference is he had the most attempts out of that group and just one other player even cracked double-digits.

Putting it simply, he needs to show more elusiveness this Saturday to build the case that he can take over as the team’s lead back.

Zamir is fool's gold IMO as a Jacobs replacement. Dude has zero lateral shiftiness. None. His vision reading blocks is pretty sus as well. He's a put your head down and run as fast as you can into the hole that's offered. And when he doesn't build steam, his power is grossly overrated. He's a poor man's version of Isaiah Pacheco. If the Raiders stubbornly keep giving him Jacobs-like volume, he will accumulate some decent numbers and maybe even break a long run or two, given the +OL and his own good burst and speed. But he will underwhelm in key RB metrics, and ultimately, he will either get hurt due to his lack of elusiveness and running style, or he'll be phased down as part of a broader RBBC.

This is all coming from someone who really wanted to love this dude when the Raiders drafted him. He's fast, he runs hard, and his nickname is Zeus. What's not to like? Pretty much everything else.
 
It’s been well-documented that Zamir White has a huge opportunity in front of him this month while Josh Jacobs is away from the team. However, White is struggling to make the most of it.

It’s not a good sign that Las Vegas has brought in a couple of running backsDamien Williams and Darwin Thompson—during training camp. That probably means the coaching staff isn’t liking what they’re seeing from White, and he struggled to create yards against the 49ers.

The Georgia product had 43 yards on 13 carries which comes out to an average of just 3.3 yards per attempt and a lot of that was due to the offensive line. According to Pro Football Focus, he had 2.15 yards after contact per rush which ranked 55th out of 98 qualifying running backs over the weekend. For comparison’s sake, Josh Jacobs averaged 3.40 and was 11th-best in the metric during the 2022 regular season.

White also only forced one missed tackle on his 13 carries and while 34 other backs had the same amount, the biggest difference is he had the most attempts out of that group and just one other player even cracked double-digits.

Putting it simply, he needs to show more elusiveness this Saturday to build the case that he can take over as the team’s lead back.

Zamir is fool's gold IMO as a Jacobs replacement. Dude has zero lateral shiftiness. None. His vision reading blocks is pretty sus as well. He's a put your head down and run as fast as you can into the hole that's offered. And when he doesn't build steam, his power is grossly overrated. He's a poor man's version of Isaiah Pacheco. If the Raiders stubbornly keep giving him Jacobs-like volume, he will accumulate some decent numbers and maybe even break a long run or two, given the +OL and his own good burst and speed. But he will underwhelm in key RB metrics, and ultimately, he will either get hurt due to his lack of elusiveness and running style, or he'll be phased down as part of a broader RBBC.

This is all coming from someone who really wanted to love this dude when the Raiders drafted him. He's fast, he runs hard, and his nickname is Zeus. What's not to like? Pretty much everything else.

Your conclusions might prove to be true, but if Jacobs continues to hold out and Damien Williams and Darwin Thompson are the only counter moves that the Raiders make to fortify the position, I would consider that a near best case scenario for White.

None of those stats on 13 carries in a pre-season game against the 49ers is cause for alarm. If you watched all of the carries and he looked more even more pedestrian than the numbers would indicate, fair enough. If Jacobs doesn't return, White is going to have to show something to earn a heavy workload instead of being in a mess of an RBBC.

From a dynasty perspective, I'm expecting Jacobs to be there. White is going to have to force his way on to the field for a lot more carries than what he got last year if I'm going to continue to hold.
 
Zamir White rushed 10 times for 40 yards in the Raiders’ preseason game against the Rams.
White got the Raiders’ first four carries of the game but was subbed out for Brandon Bolden at the end of the drive. Bolden ultimately punched in a seven-yard score. White stayed in the game for two more drives with the second team and then left the field for the night. Through two exhibition games, White has 23 carries for 83 yards and a score. His work has come with the starters and immediate backups. His usage suggests that should Josh Jacobs hold out into the season or get hurt after returning, White would see the bulk of the carries for Las Vegas.
 
With Jacobs now signed, what are managers doing with Zeus? Is he worth a hold?

I have White rostered as a dynasty handcuff in a PPR league, and I am considering dropping him for another higher-ceiling player such as Jordan Mason.
 
I have White rostered as a dynasty handcuff in a PPR league, and I am considering dropping him for another higher-ceiling player such as Jordan Mason.
Man, need a lot of stuff to happen for Mason to be the guy.

I'd rather have Zamir, and I don't think too much of Zamir.
Thanks. I needed that reminder to just hang onto White. I think part of why I was contemplating Mason over White is due to my roster construction. I have excellent depth at RB, but as we know, RB depth can evaporate quickly. White's PPR ceiling is capped by his limitations in the receiving game, but his path to any significant playing time is easier than Mason's.
 
With Jacobs now signed, what are managers doing with Zeus? Is he worth a hold?

I have White rostered as a dynasty handcuff in a PPR league, and I am considering dropping him for another higher-ceiling player such as Jordan Mason.
Easy hold on white in dynasty. Especially with Jacobs coming off a massive touch count last year and missing conditioning and otas etc etc.
 
good stash, jacobs has a lot of mileage on his legs. there's about a 70% chance he returns to form, pumps out another 350 touch season. fantasy flock, youtube (source).

this is going to be a great year for the raiders they've looked impressive in preseason. they're ready to roll. While is going to be part of that but at a lower rate.
 
Ready to drop for someone like Dowdle, or maybe a WR like Tank. I don't think the coaches have confidence in him.
What makes you say that? Didn't you see that game where he played over 6 snaps? Or the one where he rushed 5 times? Or the one where he was targeted twice?
 
I mean if you are holding white it is strictly a handcuff/upside hold. He has no stand alone value but if Jacobs is injured he will be a plug and play rb2.
 
How does everyone feel about ZW in dynasty?
Going by what many had said during the scouting and draft process is that he supposedly is talented but, he sits behind a workhorse in Jacobs. I sold my dynasty shares of him last year to the Jacobs owner but I wouldn't be against acquiring him at this time.

A few general thoughts:

1) He's a hard runner who had some injury concerns in the past. Both ACL's have been repaired (high school and college). These days ACL issues aren't as significant as the used to be.
2) Jacobs may have wanted out of Vegas which would bode well for possibly giving White a shot at starting. With the regime change (GM and HC) a lot is up in the air (who might be staying and who might be going).
3) With the GM/HC change this could go 2 ways - either the Raiders continue to keep Jacobs because they love him and he ends up being a Raider for years which relegates White to a back-up role at best. Or, eventually this regime wants to make it more of a committee and starts giving White more touches. I honestly don't know what a new regime might want to do.

So that leaves me pondering - should I go see if I can acquire some White shares? I think now is a good time to kick the tires and see if White can be had. His value is very low and should be acquirable unless it is the Jacobs owner who has White.

Maybe a Raider fan who follows the team can give some insight on the recent happenings at the RB spot. I know I own Jacobs in one dynasty league and he has been underwhelming so far this year - but so has the whole offence.... So that could change.
 
Runs hard and fast, with zero vision or lateral ability. Ok pass pro with nearly zero receiving threat. He's a Jaggy Jaggalicious with some height/weight/speed hype from the draft process that is still lingering mainly because he hasn't had the chance to suck for more than just some mop up duty behind a true stud RB. Expect frustration if/when this dude ever gets extended playing time.
 
Derailed before it even got started. But if I'm a Jacobs owner I'm trying like heck to pick him up as insurance cause there ain't no way Jacob's can stay healthy two years in a row. Especially with that work load.
I wouldn’t hang my hat in the Zamir White corner.
:popcorn:
I’m still holding White cause I’m stubborn but it appears Jacobs has proven more durable than I anticipated. I’m just biding my time until White’s value increases so I can move him for a profit.
 

So that leaves me pondering - should I go see if I can acquire some White shares? I think now is a good time to kick the tires and see if White can be had. His value is very low and should be acquirable unless it is the Jacobs owner who has White.
Expectations are very tempered ... but I picked him up for $1 (out of $200) FA BB.... Figured the whole roster is liable to be turned over before season ends and Def Coach could be more run control planning, so possible touched for ZW just to see what he offers and gage his future potential.
With AOC at QB, Pass Protection will be a key but not sure what they will look like.
 
Amazing how people can say he's a JAG without him getting meaningful work in the NFL. Maybe he does end up doing nothing but he's never had a chance.

Here is something I learned a long time ago - be flexible and able to change you mind on something. Coming into a thread and saying "Total JAG" isn't helpful to anyone. He's never had a real opportunity.

What could he do with 15 touches a game, where he can get into the flow and show what he can do? Maybe he does suck but how can you say that with any confidence? RBs can be fantasy relevant just by getting volume. Obviously in redraft right now he's not worth owning but you have to be ready to shift and pick this guy up if Jacobs goes down.

Moreover like I said there will be a new GM and new HC. How do you know what the new regime is going to do?

Keep an open mind. Writing a guy off before he even had a chance is how you miss out on breakouts when they happen.
 
It will be a fresh start for everyone including Jacobs
A fresh start usually involves fresh players
They aren't cutting the whole team. I know what you are trying to say but if we use that logic Jacobs is gone too.

We just don't know who the will be moving on from. Moreover, if White gets moved maybe he goes to a team who will use him.

Here is a thought - maybe White gets more work so they can find out if they like him or not and if they want to keep him. Will he produce? Maybe? But maybe he gets more of a shot.

No one knows what is going on behind the scenes right now. We also don't know who the GM and HC will be going forward. Keep an open mind folks.
 
Maybe he does suck but how can you say that with any confidence?

I've watched enough of him between college YouTubes and every single NFL carry, including a good amount of work in two preseasons to have established my view. I'm open to changing it if he somehow metamorphs to a butterfly, but I highly doubt it happens. Trust me, I want to like him. He plays for the Raiders and his frickin nickname is Zeus!
 
Keep an open mind folks
I'm with you on this.
The idea that Jacobs is probably gone after this year means I think White owners should hold till after the draft next year. Where he is then, and who his teammates stew, will tell us more.
It is highly likely Jacobs is gone after this season. He hasn’t done much and decent RBs are a dime a dozen. Jacobs is better than decent but RB is simply not a priority position in today’s NFL. White should have a role in the NFL but is probably not ever going to be a featured back.
 
Keep an open mind folks
I'm with you on this.
The idea that Jacobs is probably gone after this year means I think White owners should hold till after the draft next year. Where he is then, and who his teammates stew, will tell us more.
It is highly likely Jacobs is gone after this season. He hasn’t done much and decent RBs are a dime a dozen. Jacobs is better than decent but RB is simply not a priority position in today’s NFL. White should have a role in the NFL but is probably not ever going to be a featured back.
I couldn't remember if Jacobs just signed a 1-yr contract so I looked it up - and it does look like hes a UFA next year. Could be a big shake up going forward.

Really hope Jacobs ends up on a good team. Imagine him in Baltimore :D
 

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