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RB's about to break out? (1 Viewer)
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RichInOrlando
Footballguy
Some bold stances. I watched Stormy at UCF and he was good but not fast, cuts were OK and he was a good pass catcher. I see Stacy as a bulldozer, not sure Storm fits that same bill.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I think Chinawildman meant a RB that comes way off the radar to be relevant, not that his running style is the same.
As for me, Storm has everything you want except long speed (which I don't think is very important). Good hands, patient, great vision, good quickness.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Storm sounds like a guy to keep an eye on in PPR leagues. Thanks for the tip.
Banger
Footballguy
Considering dropping reaves for him.
buck naked
Footballguy
I've seen this through the dynasty season and now again in the regular season. My question is - why? He's a 7th round pick on a terrible team with, at best, an average offensive line.
He's been a zero through 4 games, yet some people think he's going to be so good.
edit - I see you provided a little detail two posts later, Zyphros.
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Zyphros
Footballguy
From everything I've gathered he was projected anywhere between the 4th-7th round which is always a crapshoot, yet people always come from those spots due to good scouting. I remember reading somewhere that the Jag's had him as 5th round talent and he kept slipping to them so they couldn't resist in the 7th. I'm not saying there won't be growing pains due to that O-line but the situation is better than I expected during the preseason. The line is getting better, Bortles is opening things up a little more, and Storm is finally healthy. There were also some very minor character concerns which may be why he dropped to the 7th (either way he was still going in the later rounds), but I like what I've heard about/from him in regards to playing time and doing his work for when he's ready to go and compete. Will he pan out? We shall see, but this year (to me) is not the year to judge him, unless the line starts playing above their pay grades. I'm not trying to endorse him as a flex option or even a RB4, but an end of the bench guy whose opportunity will come is all you can ask for for now.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I'm liking Andre Williams to have the most impact come week 13-16
chinawildman
Footballguy
Exactly the reason I mentioned Stacy. When he broke out last season there was absolutely no reason to think he would.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree with this. I had the opportunity to add Williams or Crowell. Went Williams (partially because I have Crowell in other leagues) because I think by the end of the season he just might be a bellcow.
Banger
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The whole Jag offense seems to be the cheapest stuff with decent upside out there, but Denard seems to be behind the curve on the whole RB thing.
zamboni
Footballguy
That's what I'm thinking. He's still learning the position and I doubt the team would turn the reins over to him after Gerhart.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I'd rather have Oliver. He's on a better offense, and even when Matthews comes back he is poised to inherit the Woodhead role who was already a solid ppr flex.
I'd also rather have this dude from the Falcons (totally spacing on name) who just seems explosive and is a Sjax pulled hammy away from being a RB2.
RBM
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
While certainly within the realm of possible, why would you think Williams has more of a chance than a half dozen other guys in a similar situation?
If Jennings is healthy (and performing as he has), he will be the guy. Maybe Williams works to a 35-65 or even 40-60 split, but don't see why, without injury or maybe the Giants falling totally out of it, that Williams would be close to a bell cow.
Plus, he can't catch for ####.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Not catching hurts his outlook, but Jennings is on a pace to tote the ball well in excess of 300x while his career high is about 160. So either there's a good chance he gets hurt or that NYG throttle him back a bit to extend him. At best you'll see a 65-35 split if Rashad remains healthy due to AW's pass catching woes. AW did look good in garbage time which is much better than not taking advantage of game time.
Zyphros
Footballguy
To me Robinson didn't look that bad last week. He had some nice plays even though he's still learning how to play RB. Not much difference between him and McKinnon if you ask me, other than Robinson is heavier and arguably a better, between the tackles runner. It'll be a full committee of 4 guys getting touches if Gerhart goes down, until someone proves themselves.
Seriously??? Robinson looks totally out of place as a RB. Way too thin, and his legs look really skinny. He looks like a skinny WR, not a RB. He looks completely over-matched whenever he is running inside.
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I have a RB-desperate team that still carried DeAngeglo Williams so I exchanged DWill for Storm Johnson.
I expect to be dropping him on Wednesday, but we'll see.
Well Jennings has never had a chance to get a full workload yet, so honestly we have no idea if he can or not and that's really not any different than any other RB out there. Why is getting less carries considered something that leads to injuries but yet if he had a lot of carries last year people would be saying the exact same thing except because he was "overworked" instead of not getting enough work? The Giants aren't a team that just hands out bellcow RB work to rookie RBs either, which is exactly why they signed Jennings in the first place. Hillis is still on the roster for a reason and although he has injury questions as well, I would put a lot of money on it being a RBBC if Jennings were to get injured but that's just me. I like him for Dynasty though he's not my favorite RB he will be on a Giants team that is committed to the run game every year
tombonneau
Footballguy
Big thanks to chinawildman for this post. Caused me to pick up Oliver this week and looking like could be pickup of the year.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Curious to see what Ronnie Hillman will do while Ball is out. Obviously he isn't big enough to be a workhorse back, but he'll get the lion's share in the RBBC with Ball out. He's a shifty little back, not the fastest, but can catch. Just needs to learn to hold on to the damn ball...
chinawildman
Footballguy
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
How long will Oliver have an impact? Mathews out 1-2 more weeks reportedly.
chinawildman
Footballguy
IMO it depends on how long Oliver can sustain his level of performance. Mathews is in his last year, and Brown just got signed to a sizable contract. Oliver is competing against what appears to be an oft-injured possibly lame duck RB and an overpriced underperforming vet at a UDFA salary.
I think if Oliver continues to shine, management is going to have a huge say on playing time going forward as they look toward next year.
cr8f
Footballguy
chinawildman
Footballguy
Storm didn't get the number of touches I was expecting but looked pretty good, like he belonged. Too bad it looked like he tweaked his ankle on one of the plays, but later came back.
He was asked to pass protect for the face of the franchise one time, and whiffed on it. Todman ended up playing the most snaps.
Shutout
Footballguy
Didn't Toddman get injured?
I would think since Storm has some familiarity playing with Bortles, there might be some intangible advantage there.
Shutout
Footballguy
And, yeah, Oliver. I have to go back to probably Arian Foster since I sensed as much buzz about a "out of nowhere" RB coming on to the scene.
Not saying he is a Foster-impact player, but the lines are drawing quickly and it seems to me when you have opinions like this on such opposite sides of the fence so quickly it generally means you have one group holding and VERY optimistic and you have one group holding Matthews and VERY ancy.
Not saying he is a Foster-impact player, but the lines are drawing quickly and it seems to me when you have opinions like this on such opposite sides of the fence so quickly it generally means you have one group holding and VERY optimistic and you have one group holding Matthews and VERY ancy.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Benny Cunningham anyone? Brutal schedule coming up, but plenty of garbage time against prevent defenses if Stacy misses time.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I don't think anyone is anticipating Storm would serve as any kind of 3 down back. If he develops this season, it will be at the expense of Gerhart and his 2 YPC.
Jaguars HC Gus Bradley not surprised RB Storm Johnson played well. Said can't deny he looked good. "The runs he had were very impressive." from @JohnOehser
Alonzo Mosely
Footballguy
Why in the hell would they be doing anything looking toward next year?chinawildman said:
Agreed - the only thing that matters is who puts them in position to win games - NFL games
chinawildman
Footballguy
Are you implying that management ONLY cares about the current season and have no concerns regarding future seasons? Again this is management, I'm talking about, not the coaches.
Suppose management decides that Oliver is their RB of the future for 2015 (not saying this is the case, just hypothetically), you don't think that will have an impact on his number of reps THIS SEASON?
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
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RBM
Footballguy
Alonzo Mosely
Footballguy
chinawildman
Footballguy
Playoff team or not and all things being equal, a RB in his last year that doesn't figure into a team's future is going to lose snaps to the younger, cheaper guy.
Look at SF... despite the fact that Gore's still running like a champ, it's the last year of his contract and Hyde's percentage of the snaps are increasing every week despite being the inferior runner stats-wise. And this is a potential HoF RB that's currently 5th in the NFL in rushing yds. If Oliver keeps getting it done, Mathews will only grow more obsolete as the season goes on.
the spanker
Footballguy
Why just not pick up Stewart? Cam hurt not going to be running as much this year. DeAngelo out for several weeks (old anyway) and No Tolbert to vulture carries.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Because their OL is essentially just a bunch of fat men flailing around. It's comical yet disturbing to watch.
the spanker
Footballguy
Truth be told I haven't watched any Panther games but who else is going to carry the rock on the team? If Stewart were to stay healthy sheer volume alone would say he's a decent pickup right?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Flex value, sure. The problem is Stewart and volume don't quite mix. I honestly don't envision him holding up on 15 touches per week, which is what it would take (in PPR) to keep him relevant behind that OL on a weekly basis. I didn't understand just how bad this OL was until I took the time and sat through some footage. It's brutal and something I'd try to avoid unless desperate.
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