Re-Ranking the fantasy Rookies (4 Viewers)

[branch0095]

I think that is reasonable and avoids risk.

At the same time if Booker does become the Broncos RB he will likely be a RB 1. What kind of upside do you see for Fuller and the bandwagon of other WR the Texans added? 

So the safe bet is certainly the higher drafted player. The upside if Booker does hit is much higher in fantasy than it is for Fuller in my opinion.

That's understandable too. I don't see that kind of upside with Booker personally, but I can see the reasoning for those that do. I should say that I'm a big CJA fan too, so that makes me believe that Booker has a much higher hill to climb than some do.

 

[Biabreakable]

Why are you down on Boyd?

He's a beast.

He is ok.

I do think he could be a WR 2 at times in the Bengals offense. I just don't see him ever being more than that.

 

[Brisco54]

Why are you down on Boyd?

He's a beast.

Fantasy is all about opportunity more than talent.  For the forseeable future, even a very talented Boyd will never be more than the 3rd (or 4th) option in the passing game.  Option 1 is AJ Green and he is not going anywhere nor will Boyd beat him out.  Option 2 is Tyler Eifert.  The Bengals are a run first offense and that means a lot of two TE sets.  Eifert will be on the field a lot more than Boyd, who will be in the slot for the Bengals.  Option 3 is currently the RB out of the backfield.  A very talented Boyd could take over this role, making th RB option 4, but even so that just does not give him very many fantasy points.  

 

[spider321]

He is ok.

I do think he could be a WR 2 at times in the Bengals offense. I just don't see him ever being more than that.

I don't know, man.  Watch him some more.

Is it me, or do most people on this board seem to be basing their WR rankings solely on 40-yard dash times?

 

[Brisco54]

I don't know, man.  Watch him some more.

Is it me, or do most people on this board seem to be basing their WR rankings solely on 40-yard dash times?

No, Boyd's ranking is based on opportunity.  There is not a WR in this class that would be more than the 3rd option in the Bengals passing game.  Boyd is gonna help the Bengals win games, that is for sure.  He might be one of the top three WR in terms of talent in this class.  But fantasy points require targets, and he is just not going to get enough of them in Cincy.

 

[Biabreakable]

I don't know, man.  Watch him some more.

Is it me, or do most people on this board seem to be basing their WR rankings solely on 40-yard dash times?

I have been listening to the hype about him for a couple years now, Whenever I watch him I see a average NFL WR capable of getting 100 targets but not being a featured WR.

I could care less about combine measurements so not sure where you are going with such an insinuation.

 

[spider321]

Fantasy is all about opportunity more than talent.  For the forseeable future, even a very talented Boyd will never be more than the 3rd (or 4th) option in the passing game.  Option 1 is AJ Green and he is not going anywhere nor will Boyd beat him out.  Option 2 is Tyler Eifert.  The Bengals are a run first offense and that means a lot of two TE sets.  Eifert will be on the field a lot more than Boyd, who will be in the slot for the Bengals.  Option 3 is currently the RB out of the backfield.  A very talented Boyd could take over this role, making th RB option 4, but even so that just does not give him very many fantasy points.  

That makes sense, but imo, he's gonna be MUCH better than the 136th pick in the draft.

 

[renesauz]

I think that is reasonable and avoids risk.

At the same time if Booker does become the Broncos RB he will likely be a RB 1. What kind of upside do you see for Fuller and the bandwagon of other WR the Texans added?

So the safe bet is certainly the higher drafted player. The upside if Booker does hit is much higher in fantasy than it is for Fuller in my opinion.

I tend to disagree with the concept as stated. RB values in the NFL draft are depressed more than a full round compared to equally viable (fantasy) WR talents. An early to mid 3rd round RB could easily have about the same value as a WR taken at the tail end of the 1st.

That said, Fuller was more than 2 rounds earlier, and barring some new news coming out or a very late rookie draft (well into traingin camp), Fuller seems like the safer pick. At the very least, he'll have a longer rope and more opportunity to prove himself.

Seems to me like this draft was plenty deep, but very lacking in second tier guys...the late first through the second round of rookie drafts is weaker than normal, but the third round might prove stronger than normal

 

[Brisco54]

I tend to disagree with the concept as stated. RB values in the NFL draft are depressed more than a full round compared to equally viable (fantasy) WR talents. An early to mid 3rd round RB could easily have about the same value as a WR taken at the tail end of the 1st.

That said, Fuller was more than 2 rounds earlier, and barring some new news coming out or a very late rookie draft (well into traingin camp), Fuller seems like the safer pick. At the very least, he'll have a longer rope and more opportunity to prove himself.

Seems to me like this draft was plenty deep, but very lacking in second tier guys...the late first through the second round of rookie drafts is weaker than normal, but the third round might prove stronger than normal

The thing about Fuller is that the whole Houston Offense is different except Hopkins:

QB - NEW Osweiler (Hoyer gone)

RB - NEW Lamar Miller (Foster gone)

WR1 - Hopkins

WR2 - NEW Fuller (or Jalen Strong) (Washington gone)

WR3/Slot - NEW (Miller or Strong) (Cecil gone)

I don't think anyone has any clue how that is going to shake out.  I have never seen a team with such a complete makeover in the skill positions.  

On the draft, I think the gap is in the middle of the first round.  I think that the top 4 players are pretty clear (Elliot, Docston, Coleman, & Treadwell).    After that, 5th-15th players are the ones where there is little or no consensus.  If I had the 5th or 6th pick, I would try to trade up to the 4th pick to jump up a tier, or down to the 12th pick because the value is about the same.

 

[Biabreakable]

You bring up an interesting point rene in regards to the NFLs attitude towards drafting RB in recent years as compared with the past. So models based on draft position (which I do consider in my head but not in a precise or quantitative way) may need to be adjusted based on recent trends of using less draft capital at the position than they used to.

For a couple years there were no 1st round RB but some good RB came from later in the draft anyways. This is largely just about opportunity. 

I am not sure how to try to quantify that. The difference in draft capital expended at the position. The last two drafts have had 1st round RB again suggesting that those other draft classes did not have a 1st round level of talent. Which is what we are trying to use draft position for, to gauge the level of talent the NFL thinks these players have.

I expected Booker to be a second round pick. His coach Dennis Erickson said he didn't think he would last past the second round. Pre draft there were rumors about the Patriots and Broncos being interested, which caused me to think his floor might be the end of the second round.

If you bumped him down a round because he couldn't test and perhaps lingering concerns about his health that seems like something teams have done before. From what I read Booker is on clear path to recovery. He did have a set back at one point that has caused the injury to take longer to recover from. So that could cause him to drop some.

The problem I am having with this is I don't think this was a very talented draft class overall. Not just at the skill positions either. That is part of the reason Booker stood out to me I think. But if that is correct then perhaps my observations of Booker are wrong and he isn't as talented as I think he is. That is the doubt that comes along with him not being drafted as high as expected.

 

[renesauz]

You bring up an interesting point rene in regards to the NFLs attitude towards drafting RB in recent years as compared with the past. So models based on draft position (which I do consider in my head but not in a precise or quantitative way) may need to be adjusted based on recent trends of using less draft capital at the position than they used to.

For a couple years there were no 1st round RB but some good RB came from later in the draft anyways. This is largely just about opportunity.

I am not sure how to try to quantify that. The difference in draft capital expended at the position. The last two drafts have had 1st round RB again suggesting that those other draft classes did not have a 1st round level of talent. Which is what we are trying to use draft position for, to gauge the level of talent the NFL thinks these players have.

I expected Booker to be a second round pick. His coach Dennis Erickson said he didn't think he would last past the second round. Pre draft there were rumors about the Patriots and Broncos being interested, which caused me to think his floor might be the end of the second round.

If you bumped him down a round because he couldn't test and perhaps lingering concerns about his health that seems like something teams have done before. From what I read Booker is on clear path to recovery. He did have a set back at one point that has caused the injury to take longer to recover from. So that could cause him to drop some.

The problem I am having with this is I don't think this was a very talented draft class overall. Not just at the skill positions either. That is part of the reason Booker stood out to me I think. But if that is correct then perhaps my observations of Booker are wrong and he isn't as talented as I think he is. That is the doubt that comes along with him not being drafted as high as expected.

I think part of the problem is that draft position at RB (relative to other RBs) seems less predictive of NFL production than it is at other positions, and that's why NFL teams have devalued the position as a whole. The 15th RB taken in a given year seems just as likely to enjoy long term success as the 5th or 6th guy taken. WHen relative draft position becomes so poor an indicator, there's no reason to spend a premium pick on one unless it's a special guy. Zeke is a special talent, and Gurley was very close to that level of talent...two of the more obvious "can't miss" RB prospects in the last 5 years or so. Nobody else coming out this year was special in that regard. People have been saying that it's easier to find someone to plug in at RB, but I don't think that's really the case...I think it's more that the NFL has come to realize that they aren't so good at picking which ones will succeed.

An early first is the same now as ever. A late first 10 years ago is a late 2nd now for RB's. Seconds and thrids are now taken in the late third to early fifth, and we're seeing a ton of RB's taken in that 5th and 6th round as it starts to trend back to where it used to (the same number of RBs are being taken I think).

 

[Biabreakable]

I think part of the problem is that draft position at RB (relative to other RBs) seems less predictive of NFL production than it is at other positions, and that's why NFL teams have devalued the position as a whole. The 15th RB taken in a given year seems just as likely to enjoy long term success as the 5th or 6th guy taken. WHen relative draft position becomes so poor an indicator, there's no reason to spend a premium pick on one unless it's a special guy. Zeke is a special talent, and Gurley was very close to that level of talent...two of the more obvious "can't miss" RB prospects in the last 5 years or so. Nobody else coming out this year was special in that regard. People have been saying that it's easier to find someone to plug in at RB, but I don't think that's really the case...I think it's more that the NFL has come to realize that they aren't so good at picking which ones will succeed.

An early first is the same now as ever. A late first 10 years ago is a late 2nd now for RB's. Seconds and thrids are now taken in the late third to early fifth, and we're seeing a ton of RB's taken in that 5th and 6th round as it starts to trend back to where it used to (the same number of RBs are being taken I think).

I did try to look at this from a frequency angle awhile back. Counted all of the RB drafted by round for 10 years? Maybe longer. I saw the post the other day when looking for something else but all the numbers are squished together making the posts unreadable.

With the data we would ask how many RB are drafted each season on average over the sample to measure its depth at the position. Then measure the number of RB selected each round and what that average is. Then compare this draft to those averages.

 

[cjv123]

the QBs are superior than the other skill players, I expect 2 of the 3 to become valuable fantasy players in a couple of yrs

The Rams are not configured to throw the ball and Goff will only have eventual value in a 12-team 2QB league where every starting QB is owned.

 

[Biabreakable]

Winners and losers: Jaguars ready for playoff push

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Running backs not named Ezekiel: Three-down running backs are worth plenty, and the Cowboysshowed it by drafting Ohio State running back Ezekiel Elliott fourth overall. There just weren't any other three-down running backs in this draft.

Derrick Henry was the only other running back to get taken in the first two rounds, and he's momentarily buried behind a very similar player in DeMarco Murray. Devontae Booker, a top-40 player on Daniel Jeremiah's big board, might be the next most complete back in the draft. And he landed in an ideal situation in Denver. Jeremiah believes that Booker is already the best back on the Denver roster.

 

[Andrew74]

Gurley was very close to that level of talent...

You don't think Gurley was special?

 

[petekrum]

Why are you down on Boyd?

He's a beast.

Couldn't agree more. Boyd ends up as one of the top three WRs in this class.

 

[spider321]

Couldn't agree more. Boyd ends up as one of the top three WRs in this class.

I agree with the others that, short-term, he won't have special numbers.  Long-term, he's gonna be a steal.

QB Ginger has tons of receiving talent around him now.

 

[spider321]

Zeke is a special talent, and Gurley was very close to that level of talent...

I hope you're not saying Zeke is better than Gurley. 

Gurley dropped to 10 because he had a torn ACL.

RUNNING BACK.  TORN ACL.  10th PICK.  Missed 2 games.  DOMINATED in his 2nd game back.  NFL Rookie of the Year.

I could run behind the Coyboy's line.  If Zeke is more "special" than Gurley, he should run away with league MVP this year.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Fantasy is all about opportunity more than talent.  For the forseeable future, even a very talented Boyd will never be more than the 3rd (or 4th) option in the passing game.  Option 1 is AJ Green and he is not going anywhere nor will Boyd beat him out.  Option 2 is Tyler Eifert.  The Bengals are a run first offense and that means a lot of two TE sets.  Eifert will be on the field a lot more than Boyd, who will be in the slot for the Bengals.  Option 3 is currently the RB out of the backfield.  A very talented Boyd could take over this role, making th RB option 4, but even so that just does not give him very many fantasy points.  

I am not high on Boyd but I think you are falling into the same trap as many fantasy owners this offseason and assuming that Eifert has/had a slightly bigger role in the offense than he does based on his high TD totals and premium fantasy position. 

Eifert had fewer targets per game last year than Marvin Jones and 30 fewer overall (albeit with some missed time which is why I mention fewer per game as well). If Boyd can be better than Marvin Jones he will easily command the 2nd most targets on the team and with Sanu moving on he has one less WR to split those up with to boot. 

 

[TheFanatic]

Cleveland and Minnesota are bad landing spots. Wasn't Cinci a terrible spot for AJ Green? And Buffalo was a terrible place for Watkins to go.

Talent trumps team/organization all the time.

I seem to recall some pretty good receiving numbers by a WR in Cleveland recently with abysmal QB play. 

 

[travdogg]

I am not high on Boyd but I think you are falling into the same trap as many fantasy owners this offseason and assuming that Eifert has/had a slightly bigger role in the offense than he does based on his high TD totals and premium fantasy position. 

Eifert had fewer targets per game last year than Marvin Jones and 30 fewer overall (albeit with some missed time which is why I mention fewer per game as well). If Boyd can be better than Marvin Jones he will easily command the 2nd most targets on the team and with Sanu moving on he has one less WR to split those up with to boot. 

Why are so many people assuming Boyd can be better than Marvin Jones? Clearly most of the NFL doesn't think that, or Jones wouldn't have gotten such a big contract, or Boyd would have been picked higher. He's more likely to be Sanu's replacement than Jones replacement. I don't think he's any lock to beat out Brandon LaFell, who was almost a 1,000 yard WR in 2014, despite missing a couple games, and was never really healthy last season in New England.

I feel like Tyler Boyd is going to be SO overrated this offseason. He reminds me a lot of Marquise Lee when he came out. He isn't big, he isn't fast, and he isn't anything special after the catch. 

 

[Tool]

Cleveland and Minnesota are bad landing spots. Wasn't Cinci a terrible spot for AJ Green? And Buffalo was a terrible place for Watkins to go.

Talent trumps team/organization all the time.

I seem to recall some pretty good receiving numbers by a WR in Cleveland recently with abysmal QB play. 

Green and Watkins were/are elite talents. Team is less important for guys like that. 

 

[EBF]

I'm not a big Boyd fan either. He has good hands and body control, but is just average in terms of everything else. If that makes him a slightly better version of Marvin Jones then that's still a fairly unexciting FF proposition IMO. I expect him to go in the pick 10-12 range in most drafts, but I doubt he'll end up on any of my rosters. I think he's a #2 receiver in the NFL, which limits his ceiling a bit.

 

[travdogg]

Green and Watkins were/are elite talents. Team is less important for guys like that. 

I'd argue Corey Coleman is an elite talent as well, but I understand that isn't the majority opinion.

 

[Milkman]

Yeah, and Tom Brady is not close to the athlete Vince Young is.........

Lol

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I am not high on Boyd but I think you are falling into the same trap as many fantasy owners this offseason and assuming that Eifert has/had a slightly bigger role in the offense than he does based on his high TD totals and premium fantasy position. 

Eifert had fewer targets per game last year than Marvin Jones and 30 fewer overall (albeit with some missed time which is why I mention fewer per game as well). If Boyd can be better than Marvin Jones he will easily command the 2nd most targets on the team and with Sanu moving on he has one less WR to split those up with to boot. 

Brandon LaFell was singed during free agency.

 

[Tool]

I'd argue Corey Coleman is an elite talent as well, but I understand that isn't the majority opinion.

That's a tough argument.  Both Green and Watkins going into the draft were considered not only the top wr that year (Green w/ Julio), but considered to be a once every 4/5 year or so talent.  Coleman certainly isn't that and would be considered by most to be behind Cooper White and Parker from last year.

 

[spider321]

Why are so many people assuming Boyd can be better than Marvin Jones? Clearly most of the NFL doesn't think that, or Jones wouldn't have gotten such a big contract, or Boyd would have been picked higher. He's more likely to be Sanu's replacement than Jones replacement. I don't think he's any lock to beat out Brandon LaFell, who was almost a 1,000 yard WR in 2014, despite missing a couple games, and was never really healthy last season in New England.

I feel like Tyler Boyd is going to be SO overrated this offseason. He reminds me a lot of Marquise Lee when he came out. He isn't big, he isn't fast, and he isn't anything special after the catch. 

Unless Boyd loses a limb between now and week 1, he will beat out Brandon LaFell.

He may even be better than LaFell without the limb.

 

[travdogg]

That's a tough argument.  Both Green and Watkins going into the draft were considered not only the top wr that year (Green w/ Julio), but considered to be a once every 4/5 year or so talent.  Coleman certainly isn't that and would be considered by most to be behind Cooper White and Parker from last year.

I would greatly disagree that Parker is/was a better prospect than Coleman. Also didn't think Green or Watkins were the best prospects in their respective drafts, Julio and Evans, were my picks at the time.

Point is, I feel Coleman is clearly the best WR prospect in this class, and while I would agree he's not in Cooper's class, I think any WR who I can envision being a top-10 NFL WR at some point, qualifies as elite. I think Coleman is that.

Unless Boyd loses a limb between now and week 1, he will beat out Brandon LaFell.

He may even be better than LaFell without the limb.

I know its hyperbole, but Tyler Boyd minus a limb wouldn't be a better WR than me, let alone an actual NFL WR.

Brandon LaFell was a top-20 WR per game in 2014, he did so in an offense where like in Cinci, he was the #3 target. I think it is a mistake to assume that because he was never truly healthy last season, that he is no threat. Assuming LaFell can stay healthy this year, I'd be surprised if Boyd was better this year.

 

[Gianluca]

I have the 6th pick & 7th pick in 2 different leagues and I'm taking Sterling Shepard every chance I get. 

 

[Boone22]

I feel like Tyler Boyd is going to be SO overrated this offseason. He reminds me a lot of Marquise Lee when he came out. He isn't big, he isn't fast, and he isn't anything special after the catch. 

Reminds me of Jarvis Landry or Keenan Allen. 

 

[squistion]

Reminds me of Jarvis Landry or Keenan Allen. 

Speaking of Landry...the trashing of Boyd I have been seeing is reminiscent of the constant dissing we heard about Landry after Miami drafted him (check out the Jarvis Landry thread if you want a good laugh at some so called "experts" - particularly the guy who does rookie scouting reports for another site who posted about Jarvis Landry that he was ordinary and that it was no stretch to say that he could get off the couch and beat Landry's combine numbers in the high jump and the broad jump (of course this "expert" failed to mention he is 6'4" to Landry's 5'11" ).

I really liked Boyd before the draft, but this vitriol that he is a wasted first round pick because he had poor combine metrics and should have been drafted higher makes me more certain that my assessment of him is correct. It isn't all combine numbers and the draft slot, people. I was incredibly impressed from the few times I watched him play and was actually ecstatic when he was taken by the Bengals. If a player passes the eye test for me, I don't downgrade him based on workout statistics and draft "pedigree" (although that does go into the mix for any player).

I honestly hope this trashing of Boyd continues as that the Landry hate fest caused him to drop substantially in drafts to the point I was able to pick him up in the 3rd round in a couple of drafts.  

 

[Tool]

I would greatly disagree that Parker is/was a better prospect than Coleman. Also didn't think Green or Watkins were the best prospects in their respective drafts, Julio and Evans, were my picks at the time.

Point is, I feel Coleman is clearly the best WR prospect in this class, and while I would agree he's not in Cooper's class, I think any WR who I can envision being a top-10 NFL WR at some point, qualifies as elite. I think Coleman is that.

Well we're going to have to agree to disagree then.  We can re-visit this in a few years and we'll see who's right.

 

[Milkman]

Hey this one Longshot made it so this other Longshot is bound to succeed. 

Solid logic in this thread. 

 

[spider321]

Why are so many people assuming Boyd can be better than Marvin Jones? Clearly most of the NFL doesn't think that, or Jones wouldn't have gotten such a big contract, or Boyd would have been picked higher. He's more likely to be Sanu's replacement than Jones replacement. I don't think he's any lock to beat out Brandon LaFell, who was almost a 1,000 yard WR in 2014, despite missing a couple games, and was never really healthy last season in New England.

I feel like Tyler Boyd is going to be SO overrated this offseason. He reminds me a lot of Marquise Lee when he came out. He isn't big, he isn't fast, and he isn't anything special after the catch. 

Milkman agrees with you, trav.

Let that sink in.

If nothing else is going to make you reconsider your position, that should.

Milkman.  Agrees.  With.  You.

Milkman.

 

[Boone22]

Hey this one Longshot made it so this other Longshot is bound to succeed. 

Solid logic in this thread. 

So now 2nd round NFL picks are long shots?  When did that happen?

 

[Biabreakable]

I honestly hope this trashing of Boyd continues as that the Landry hate fest caused him to drop substantially in drafts to the point I was able to pick him up in the 3rd round in a couple of drafts.  

Trashing?

The guy is going to be a 1st round rookie pick in 2016 no question about that.

Does he have WR 1 upside? I don't think so. I do not think he is AJ Green. Doesn't mean he isn't a 1st round pick. There just isn't anyone better to take than Boyd once you get to a certain point because he is good.

I don't think it is trashing a guy to say they are NFL starter quality who could be a 100 target 60 catch 1000 yard WR in the league. However there are about 40 other WR who can put up those numbers any given year and I do not see Boyd as being better than them. I can see him being as good, just not better. Then you have another 15 to 20 WR that I think are better than these 40 or so WR 2 types.

FWIW I think Landry is a better football player than Boyd is.

 

[squistion]

Trashing?

This doesn't sound like a member of his fan club

 I know its hyperbole, but Tyler Boyd minus a limb wouldn't be a better WR than me, let alone an actual NFL WR.

 

[Biabreakable]

This doesn't sound like a member of his fan club

Are you suggesting that I should be dishonest or something?

Not every rookie can become the best at their position you know?

FWIW I have him 13th overall as I would draft the top 2 QB over him.

 

[squistion]

Hey this one Longshot made it so this other Longshot is bound to succeed. 

Solid logic in this thread. 

And a Straw Man too!

 

[squistion]

Are you suggesting that I should be dishonest or something?

Are you also posting under the name travdogg? Unless you missed the quote following my statement, "this" was what I was referring to.

 

[beef]

I'd argue Corey Coleman is an elite talent as well, but I understand that isn't the majority opinion.

I think he's a lot better than given credit too.  If he were 6'3" he absolutely would be considered elite and would have been a top 10 NFL draft pick.

 

[spider321]

I think he's a lot better than given credit too.  If he were 6'3" he absolutely would be considered elite and would have been a top 10 NFL draft pick.

If the moon was made out of cheese, I'd eat it.

 

[beef]

If the moon was made out of cheese, I'd eat it.

me too. and wouldn't it be awesome if the milky way was made of beer!  

 

[EBF]

Landry had 165 targets last year, which was 6th in the entire NFL. If I thought Boyd had a chance to get that kind of volume then I'd be a buyer, but he's a different style of player and his situation is different. With Green likely getting 130-160 targets most season and Eifert claiming a nice cut as well, there is a smaller pie there unless Cincy really commits to becoming a prolific passing team. Marvin Jones had 103 targets last season in a similar role. If you figure Boyd will get something like 100-120 when he hits his peak then he's probably looking at a 800-1000 yard ceiling. He's not a guy who figures to create a lot of long gains on his own (he had very few big plays last season despite a lot of receptions), so really he'd need a huge volume of targets to be more than a FF WR3. The absolute best case scenario is probably something like TJ Houshmandzadeh's career, but that's assuming everything works out perfectly. I wouldn't say he has no value, but the ceiling isn't great IMO and I've never been a big fan in general. He was talked about by some as the #1 devy prospect in his class 1-2 years ago, but that always seemed like a stretch.

If you're looking for a Landry, I think Pharoh Cooper is more like that type of player. He doesn't have the speed to play outside, but could be effective as a slot player. With this type of guy, they need big volume to really become FF stalwarts though and you never know if you're going to get a Jarvis Landry/Wes Welker or a Andrew Hawkins. It depends on the team's philosophy and how many looks they want to commit to that type of receiver. Most teams favor conventional outside targets in that #1 role. Only a handful of these slot types have solid FF value (Cobb, Landry, Welker when he was in his prime).

 

[Biabreakable]

Are you also posting under the name travdogg? Unless you missed the quote following my statement, "this" was what I was referring to.

Oh.

Well I just did a combined ranking of draft classes 2014 to 2016 and FWIW Boyd comes out as the 43rd overall offensive prospect of the past 3 years. I consider that to be pretty good.

 

[spider321]

Why do people keep bumping both threads?

Can they be merged, or can we agree to just use one of them?

...and yes, I realize I just bumped both threads.  Hopefully, this is the last time.

 

[DropKick]

Oh.

Well I just did a combined ranking of draft classes 2014 to 2016 and FWIW Boyd comes out as the 43rd overall offensive prospect of the past 3 years. I consider that to be pretty good.

That's known as a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Zyphros]

I'm having a massively tough time re-ranking what I had before the draft.  My top6 is still my top6 in Elliott, Doctson, Treadwell, Goff, Wentz, Coleman (2QB), but after that there's a ton of guys that, talent wise, I liked a lot more than others but went to some of the worst landing spots.  One example is I had Leontee Carroo as a top15 player and Sterling Shepard as #29.  Now Carroo has a horrible spot in Miami and Shepard has a pretty good one.  The difference I had them at is pretty big and almost all the guys I had in the 8-20 range went to worse spots than the guys in 20-40 or whatever.  I hate bumping guys ~15 spots for situation.  

 

[Biabreakable]

That's known as a self fulfilling prophecy.

How so?

How the players perform will either be in the range I project and rank them in or they will not.

Some of this will be right some of it wont.

It is measured by their performance in fantasy football in the future. The only criteria I have established is what range of performance I expect them to have on a per season basis over the next 3 seasons.

I certainly wasn't right to have Cordarralle Patterson as a tier 1 prospect as a rookie. So not sure how I deluded myself into thinking I was right about him. Same is true about many players I was wrong about.