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Yankee23Fan
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Think of Castaway, and then add awesome cars, awesome action, awesome music, awesome corny scripts, hot women and remove Tom Hanks and the sexualized sporting equipment.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think THIS is my biggest point of contention with movies like this, and my old ### just doesn't get how people find so much CGI "action" that awesome or enjoyable to watch. I blend the F&F movies together, but remember at the beginning of one there was a chase down a mountain that was ok for a bit, but it ends with the car driving at a bouncing CGI truck and avoiding it as it bounces over the car and I thought it was horrible to look at. It's not that I hate action movies for popcorn flicks, but for me personally I need to have some sort illusion that MAYBE that could have been down with a stunt double and actual props (exceptions are movies where the world is set up like that - ie The Matrix). As for car chases, give me something more like a Bourne movie, MI, Nolan directed - stuff like that. Otherwise I am completely checked out.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Wish i had one. Almost Famous trivializes & cinderellas a segment of life that is very close to my heart & experience - hence the Pavlovian rage.
The Back to the Future franchise is just one i dont get the reverence for, but i realize that most of the reason is generational. I was a grownup when it came out and had my own goofy, senseless romps goin on & didnt need that one. My prob is the reverence, when it's just a kind of stoopit fun thing. We didn't have expert filmmakers manipulating our hopes & dreams when i was a kid (it was Gidget & Elvis drivin hotrods & ####) so i dont have a template for a foundational movie. My favorite flick growing up was Brando's Mutiny on the Bounty, cuz it had adventure, cruelty & National Geographic chicks, but that just dont translate. It's more than a matter of taste, but not egregiously so.
belljr
Footballguy
Some of it is CGI but a lot of stuff is actually "performed" - obviously not to the level you think but it is done with actual stunts
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/insane-fast-furious-stunts-did/
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/fate-of-the-furious-stunts-cgi-special-effects
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By now it’s a rule that with each new movie in the Fast and Furious franchise, the stakes and the gas-guzzling action must increase in size and scope. The Fate of the Furious, the eighth installation of this engine revving, NOS-pumping series, is no exception, and somehow one-ups its predecessor on the action front, going bigger than parachuting cars from an airplane and shooting hot rods through skyscrapers.
You'd think that these escalations would require a corresponding expansion of visual effects. But speak with the film’s stunt coordinators -- Jack Gill, Andy Gill, and Spiro Razatos -- and you might be surprised by just how little they rely on digital augmentation. We asked them about each of the film’s four major action sequences to learn how they pulled off these incredible feats of diesel-fueled damage, and how much of it was actually real (hint: quite a lot).
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Havana racing scene
What happens: The film's opening set piece is an ode to the franchise's roots, a reminder of where Vin Diesel's Dominic Torreto and the rest of his driving family began. Naturally, a drag race in the streets of Havana, Cuba becomes a test of ingenuity. Dom chooses to race with a clunker that stands no chance against his opponent, until he uses some Nos, which sets fire to his engine and forces him to race the final stretch in reverse just so he can see where he's going. The brakes give out (of course!) just across the finish line, and Dom jumps out of the burning car before it hits a barrier and shoots up into the air, plummeting into the ocean.
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How real is it? "It was 99% all real," Jack Gill said. "The only thing we had trouble with was about the first quarter of the race, the car catches on fire. We had authentic fire for most of it, but when we started picking the speeds up, we found out the fire was getting inside the car, and the stunt guy just couldn't take it anymore, so we had to turn the fire down and augment the fire with a bigger fire for the ending... All the bumping and grinding, sliding around the corners in tight formats was all real."
To get the car jump right, Gill and his crew had to stitch two shots together.
"The car that we pulled in that hit the wall only jumped in the air about five feet because the impact was so hard that it just bent the car in half," Gill said. "We didn't have time to shoot the second one, so I said as long as you guys will use my angles, then we'll shoot another car off against a green screen so it's still a real car. Essentially it's still the real car and it's still the real angles, we just had to put the two together."
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Germany wrecking ball scene
What happens: The whole crew, led by Dwayne Johnson's Hobbs, manages to steal an EMP device and avoid a fleet of German security officials in pursuit. How? A giant wrecking ball. The group lures their followers into a construction zone, where they narrowly diverge from a wrecking ball's swing path. A specially built 35,000lb ball takes out everyone behind them, then bludgeons them again as it swings back, creating a vehicle junkyard.
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How real is it? Andy Gill says about 70% of it was real. "We actually built a real wrecking ball," Andy said. "We drove our hero cars beside it as we released it, and we towed in our bad guys' cars in formation to get hit by the ball and timed it all out. On the front of the ball we put almost like a V-ramp so that it would lift the cars and they would run up that V-ramp... Watching it happen and seeing that ball fly by is amazing. It's a lot of power."
"Once we put real guys in there we said 'Look, if your car coughs or it even hesitates for a second, you're dead,'" Jack said. "You can't have any part of your car in front of this thing. So what you see is real. The only thing they added to it was some debris from the car flying towards the camera."
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New York City zombie car scene
What happens: Cipher (Charlize Theron) puts Dom in charge of stealing the German Ambassador's nuclear codes and is eager to retrieve them by any means necessary. That includes hacking dozens of driverless cars and swerving them around New York City -- including through five-story car garages.
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How real is it? While the crew took some flyby shots of New York landmarks, the majority of these scenes were filmed in Cleveland. But only one shot, which shows a fleet of cars converging into an intersection, was enhanced digitally.
"There's only one shot, one intersection shot, that's not real," Razatos said. "Everything [else] is real, so that's the sequence that I'm really, really happy [about]... I know why they put it in -- it tells the story of all the cars merging -- but I think they could have shortened that shot."
"We had 17 or 18 cars that we threw out of the parking structure on top of our entourage," added Andy. "Spiro, for the look, was adamant about the first drop having seven cars in the air at the same time. It looked really cool. We found a parking structure that allowed us to do it. It was perfect for it. Built our own ramps in and they counterweighted the cars so when they were released, the counter weight would pull them toward the exit, go through the barrier and drop."
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Arctic chase finale
What happens: So, so much. An epic chase is capped by Diesel's Dom escaping a heat-seeking torpedo by jumping a submarine, causing the torpedo to hit the sub instead of his car. Yeah.
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How real is it? The final sequence includes so many moving parts -- a submarine, torpedoes, cars flying into the air -- that it took the stunt crew more than two months to complete it all.
It has been the imperative of the entire unit, throughout the majority of the Fast and Furious franchise, to ground everything in real stunts as often as possible. That remains the case here but for the fact that the scene was shot in Iceland (not Russia), and the submarine was the only major computer-generated addition.
"Most all of the Iceland [scene] was real except for the submarine," Andy said. "When the hero cars are being chased by the bad guys in the SUVs and they get blown up in the air by the sub, that's all physical."
"One of the things we tried to do was use the Phantom Camera, which is new to the franchise," Razatos said. "You're able to go up to one thousand frames per second. When the sub hits Dom's car and it's tumbling as it's landing, there's actually a shot where you see it from normal speed to one thousand frames per second, and you see this burning tire in the foreground. Everybody would think it's a CGI shot, and it's not."
ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMNIT
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By now it’s a rule that with each new movie in the Fast and Furious franchise, the stakes and the gas-guzzling action must increase in size and scope. The Fate of the Furious, the eighth installation of this engine revving, NOS-pumping series, is no exception, and somehow one-ups its predecessor on the action front, going bigger than parachuting cars from an airplane and shooting hot rods through skyscrapers.
You'd think that these escalations would require a corresponding expansion of visual effects. But speak with the film’s stunt coordinators -- Jack Gill, Andy Gill, and Spiro Razatos -- and you might be surprised by just how little they rely on digital augmentation. We asked them about each of the film’s four major action sequences to learn how they pulled off these incredible feats of diesel-fueled damage, and how much of it was actually real (hint: quite a lot).
UNIVERSAL PICTURES
Havana racing scene
What happens: The film's opening set piece is an ode to the franchise's roots, a reminder of where Vin Diesel's Dominic Torreto and the rest of his driving family began. Naturally, a drag race in the streets of Havana, Cuba becomes a test of ingenuity. Dom chooses to race with a clunker that stands no chance against his opponent, until he uses some Nos, which sets fire to his engine and forces him to race the final stretch in reverse just so he can see where he's going. The brakes give out (of course!) just across the finish line, and Dom jumps out of the burning car before it hits a barrier and shoots up into the air, plummeting into the ocean.
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How real is it? "It was 99% all real," Jack Gill said. "The only thing we had trouble with was about the first quarter of the race, the car catches on fire. We had authentic fire for most of it, but when we started picking the speeds up, we found out the fire was getting inside the car, and the stunt guy just couldn't take it anymore, so we had to turn the fire down and augment the fire with a bigger fire for the ending... All the bumping and grinding, sliding around the corners in tight formats was all real."
To get the car jump right, Gill and his crew had to stitch two shots together.
"The car that we pulled in that hit the wall only jumped in the air about five feet because the impact was so hard that it just bent the car in half," Gill said. "We didn't have time to shoot the second one, so I said as long as you guys will use my angles, then we'll shoot another car off against a green screen so it's still a real car. Essentially it's still the real car and it's still the real angles, we just had to put the two together."
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Germany wrecking ball scene
What happens: The whole crew, led by Dwayne Johnson's Hobbs, manages to steal an EMP device and avoid a fleet of German security officials in pursuit. How? A giant wrecking ball. The group lures their followers into a construction zone, where they narrowly diverge from a wrecking ball's swing path. A specially built 35,000lb ball takes out everyone behind them, then bludgeons them again as it swings back, creating a vehicle junkyard.
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How real is it? Andy Gill says about 70% of it was real. "We actually built a real wrecking ball," Andy said. "We drove our hero cars beside it as we released it, and we towed in our bad guys' cars in formation to get hit by the ball and timed it all out. On the front of the ball we put almost like a V-ramp so that it would lift the cars and they would run up that V-ramp... Watching it happen and seeing that ball fly by is amazing. It's a lot of power."
"Once we put real guys in there we said 'Look, if your car coughs or it even hesitates for a second, you're dead,'" Jack said. "You can't have any part of your car in front of this thing. So what you see is real. The only thing they added to it was some debris from the car flying towards the camera."
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New York City zombie car scene
What happens: Cipher (Charlize Theron) puts Dom in charge of stealing the German Ambassador's nuclear codes and is eager to retrieve them by any means necessary. That includes hacking dozens of driverless cars and swerving them around New York City -- including through five-story car garages.
UNIVERSAL PICTURES
How real is it? While the crew took some flyby shots of New York landmarks, the majority of these scenes were filmed in Cleveland. But only one shot, which shows a fleet of cars converging into an intersection, was enhanced digitally.
"There's only one shot, one intersection shot, that's not real," Razatos said. "Everything [else] is real, so that's the sequence that I'm really, really happy [about]... I know why they put it in -- it tells the story of all the cars merging -- but I think they could have shortened that shot."
"We had 17 or 18 cars that we threw out of the parking structure on top of our entourage," added Andy. "Spiro, for the look, was adamant about the first drop having seven cars in the air at the same time. It looked really cool. We found a parking structure that allowed us to do it. It was perfect for it. Built our own ramps in and they counterweighted the cars so when they were released, the counter weight would pull them toward the exit, go through the barrier and drop."
UNIVERSAL PICTURES
Arctic chase finale
What happens: So, so much. An epic chase is capped by Diesel's Dom escaping a heat-seeking torpedo by jumping a submarine, causing the torpedo to hit the sub instead of his car. Yeah.
UNIVERSAL PICTURES
How real is it? The final sequence includes so many moving parts -- a submarine, torpedoes, cars flying into the air -- that it took the stunt crew more than two months to complete it all.
It has been the imperative of the entire unit, throughout the majority of the Fast and Furious franchise, to ground everything in real stunts as often as possible. That remains the case here but for the fact that the scene was shot in Iceland (not Russia), and the submarine was the only major computer-generated addition.
"Most all of the Iceland [scene] was real except for the submarine," Andy said. "When the hero cars are being chased by the bad guys in the SUVs and they get blown up in the air by the sub, that's all physical."
"One of the things we tried to do was use the Phantom Camera, which is new to the franchise," Razatos said. "You're able to go up to one thousand frames per second. When the sub hits Dom's car and it's tumbling as it's landing, there's actually a shot where you see it from normal speed to one thousand frames per second, and you see this burning tire in the foreground. Everybody would think it's a CGI shot, and it's not."
ITS STILL REAL TO ME DAMNIT
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
@Jayrod does it real good in the basketball thread, maybe he can do it here, i dont know.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I get it, and there is some good stuff in the movies, but for me personally they always just had to that one step too far because they are hitting the 5th+ of these movies and they have to go bigger and bigger. I am not saying it's all CGI or anything Perfect example was the one I listed and was in the article that you linked - the gas tankers from #4. I was all aboard and having some fun until the bouncing exploding CGI tanker comes along then I start with the crossed arms and eyerolling.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Saw the first one when I was 20 or 21, it was cool. I have never seen another one and don't plan on rewatching the first. That's my take. Cool car movie but as a franchise, I don't get it.
El Floppo
Footballguy
yeah... agree. also, not all popcorn action flicks have a new release every year or so... ad nauseum. no skin off my nose though- what I don't see can't hurt me.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I think Wonder Woman was just emotional enough to elevate it over most comic book movies.Gr00vus said:
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
If this is how you're characterizing the genre then you don't know much about it.wikkidpissah said:
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Now they're dumb, but the last couple are excellent if you watch them as comedies.Andy Dufresne said:
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Molly's Game was good. It's a forgettable movie, but I liked it. I liked Jessica Chastain in it, but I'm still far from being a fan of her work.
I know I'm in the minority, but I just think she's an average at best actress.
I know I'm in the minority, but I just think she's an average at best actress.
El Floppo
Footballguy
both of these were amazing on the big screen.
saw the latter three times- the last two occasions falling down high during college. the first was in the theaters upon it's original release...I think I was 3 or 4. my mom figured it was as good a kids' movie as any to for young floppo. young floppo ran out of the theater screaming when augustus gloop got sucked into that pipe... chased by a giggling mom into the lobby and eventually coerced me back in to see the rest of the film (thankfully missed out on that tunnel scene... jfc). I made it until violet turned violet violet, at which point it was feet, do your duty. my mom didn't catch me until I was out the lobby, out the theater and half-way down the block in a torrent of tears and screams.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I dont & only employed the word "misogynous" to point to the more casual hairband-y use of the form. But, just because metal can be employed artfully doesnt mean that's the heart of its appeal.
With much of my life spent in either the psych biz or poker biz, forming a quick profile of a person behooved my work. My first 2 snap evals in service of that were always "What were they like @ 15yo?" and "rhythm or melody?"
It's no coincidence that rhythmic music forms have become ever-wildly more popular as our culture has feminized. The dominance issues which have followed us from the cave must be exercised or abstracted somehow for the body to be at peace. In a person of median-range masculinity, knowing if they are more engaged by the rhythmic than the melodic is a huge edge for one who must exploit their personality for or against them.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
That's amazing. I would get real stoned before seeing Wonka. NxNW was made for the big screen, I will definitely see it next time it comes around.
Anyone see Lady Bird? Wife and I are going to see it this weekend.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Blade Runner 2049.
Beautiful? Moving? Best sound in a movie I've experienced in awhile? Engrossing?
I believe the answer to all of these is yes. When Harrison put his hand on the glass at the end.... man. So much emotion in that split second for a universe where emotion is purposely lacking. I want more of this universe now.
Beautiful? Moving? Best sound in a movie I've experienced in awhile? Engrossing?
I believe the answer to all of these is yes. When Harrison put his hand on the glass at the end.... man. So much emotion in that split second for a universe where emotion is purposely lacking. I want more of this universe now.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
I liked it a lot. Commented on it here about a week ago. It is quirky, but it's a good quirky.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
There's good quirky?
El Floppo
Footballguy
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I know what you're saying but I don't see it that way at all. I don't think our culture is feminized, I think that most citizens of modern nations aren't killing each other with stick and rocks, so we're not committing violence against each other because Maslow says we don't need to. Humans are innately war-like - it's been this way since the beginning of time. Hardcore metal is a catharsis to channel that rage and violence into something positive.
As for the genre itself, there's metal that's so complicated and cerebral it makes King Crimson, Yes and Rush sound like KC and the Sunshine Band.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I think BR 2049 is an art film in a sci-fi costume. So that makes it far less accessible than its genre cousins.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Wes Anderson, Noah Baumbach, Amelie, Juno, Garden State. Yeah there's definitely good quirky films.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Metal is the porn of music - hard to say if the 'catharsis" relieves or perpetuates pressure
*good to see a Maslow guy on the boards, tho*
belljr
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Pretty much everything a person without initials behind their name could do - started an outreach program in my hometown (when a city leader who'd helped me out of troub gave me $500, a six-month storefront lease & a grant-writing course - was 3rd-rated outreach in MA in 1st yr of grant review), which gave me an in as counselor/psychtech which i used as tweener work (state hosps, RA73 classes, rehab, adolescent psych hosps) while i pursued showbiz stuff & early gambling days.
Road player '85-90, poker dealer, '90-05, suit for a few yrs when my back gave out
ETA: Worked at the psych hosp in Reno where the chinless survivor of the Judas Priest suicide pact was hospitalized. Oddly enough, played golf with Priest when they were in Reno for the trial. One of em shot down on us, we went up to rumble, but they invited us for a round the next day.
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
It's popularity is a product of feminization, loss of individuality, and the decline in educational authority which allowed ADD to free-run. The music itself isnt feminine
oh, my, yes
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
This one managed to convey a sense of vulnerability for a physically invulnerable protagonist more convincingly than most other super hero movies.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
If you go to many punk rock and metal pits, most people you see knock a guy down then rush over to help him up. I was raised on classical music and jazz, but it wasn't until I found metal that I experienced that level of catharsis in music. As for Maslow, I believe his hierarchy of needs model explains most human behavior accurately.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
He didn't say that, he said that modern society is more and more feminized. I'd substitute "peaceful" for feminized.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I stand corrected. Still doesn't make sense. How is melody less "peaceful" then rhythm?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
My friend works at a psychiatric hospital. He loves it, but man oh man does he have some sadness and terror to treat there. One guy he treats is haunted by constant, terrifying illusions that someone is coming to murder his girlfriend. Poor people :(
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
And I don't know if this will be an unpopular thing to say, but I love that a beautiful character like this wasn't being sexually objectified every three seconds.
