krista4
Footballguy
This all makes sense, and I can understand not revisiting. Great, great point about catching both the hardness and beauty in the faces.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I was listening to the Big Picture pod and they were joking about how many times he referred to the movie as lyrical. For some reason I am expecting a bit of Malick going into this movie.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Very much so minus the voiceovers and better editing. The use of mostly non-actors does give it a unique quality though as well.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Toy Story series as well...if that’s your thing
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
So many good 4Ks coming soon: Taxi Driver, The Sting, Good, the Bad and the Ugly plus some Criterion I am way into like Fast Times and Memories of a Murder.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
4 hours? How long was the original cut?
I am pretty sure I didn't watch it, but I am not sure. I think I watched Batman v Superman, Wonder Woman, and realized that I probably wasn't going to like a DC product if I didn't like WW.
What do they do so different (wrong) than Marvel?
I am pretty sure I didn't watch it, but I am not sure. I think I watched Batman v Superman, Wonder Woman, and realized that I probably wasn't going to like a DC product if I didn't like WW.
What do they do so different (wrong) than Marvel?
Capella
Footballguy
Everything is dark. Joyless. No humor. Lots and lots of rain. No cohesive stories (this is where marvel just hits grand slam after grand slam) - I don’t know they are just awful. I like most everything Batman but this movie blows. And it got really positive reviews so far.
I’m 90 minutes I’m and can’t keep going.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
wtf isn't this in wide-screen??
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
ok, maybe I didn't watch BvS all the way through. 0 clue wtf is going on here.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
what is this, a musical?? no wonder this thing is 4hrs long.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
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Capella
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Superman died I think. Lot of people were mopey. It was dark and I think Bruce spent half the movie at his mother’s grave.
fin
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
oh, Mr. Defoe
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Zack Snyder somehow made a decent movie in Man of Steel.
Aside from that, however, nobody sucks the joy out of what should be entertaining quite like Snyder...except for, of course, Carson Daly.
Sucker Punch should have been awesome. Chicks kicking butt, a good story, great soundtrack... It was a complete bore.
Snyder and Daly could form into a super villain and can themselves The Lifeless.
Aside from that, however, nobody sucks the joy out of what should be entertaining quite like Snyder...except for, of course, Carson Daly.
Sucker Punch should have been awesome. Chicks kicking butt, a good story, great soundtrack... It was a complete bore.
Snyder and Daly could form into a super villain and can themselves The Lifeless.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
Just about everything but mostly the writing and character development. You could watch the DC movies in just about any order you wanted and not be lost or confused too much. Wonder Woman is the only one who hasn't been recast by her 3rd appearance which certainly doesn't help.KarmaPolice said:
They also have a worse special fx team. Even the constant darkness can't hide the fact their fight scenes look way more video gamey.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
evidently i got a little too high last night and thought this thread was a running commentary for a bit. If I didn't get up to put my phone away, I probably would have done that for all 2 hours (I had to tap out). almost wish that would have happened.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
So much this. Steppenwolf looked like a Power Ranger villain and the rest looked like Halo cut scenes.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I finally watched a Fellini that I did not like... Fellini's Satyricon. It is interesting visually, but mostly just a mess plot-wise and character-wise. Fellini described it as a science fiction film set in ancient Rome -- I don't think science fiction necessarily needs to be set in the future, but I have to imagine that is not a pitch line that goes far for any but a handful of directors. I'm hoping not the start of a trend with his later stuff (as I'm now in full "Fellini-esque" territory), but at least I still have Amarcord coming up.
On a brighter note, in the middle of In the Mood for Love on HBO Max. I've never seen it before. The plot sounds pretty rote and could have been a farcical bust in the hands of the wrong director, but it is really well-done and I can see why it gets ranked so high as one of the best movies of the 2000s. Now curious for more Kar-wai -- I know 80s was talking about the upcoming Wong Kar-wai Criterion set; maybe that is down the road for me.
On a brighter note, in the middle of In the Mood for Love on HBO Max. I've never seen it before. The plot sounds pretty rote and could have been a farcical bust in the hands of the wrong director, but it is really well-done and I can see why it gets ranked so high as one of the best movies of the 2000s. Now curious for more Kar-wai -- I know 80s was talking about the upcoming Wong Kar-wai Criterion set; maybe that is down the road for me.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I’ll let you know how the set is, should be coming next week. I’ll slowly start diving in as I also have some DVR clearing to do from a lot of TCM stuff (I’ve got like 4 more Pedro Almodovar films left). In the Mood for Love looks so nice, I can’t wait to see it on my new tv with the Criterion disc quality.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I forgot that the Big Picture podcast did a 4 hour talk along to the Synder Cut. I will start listening to this today.
krista4
Footballguy
The Trial of the Chicago 7 - First, on the plus side let me say that this movie made me have a much greater appreciation for Judas and the Black Messiah. Seriously. While I had some quibbles with that one, it was historically accurate, realistic, and non-manipulative.
Where to start? On the more minor front, some of the casting was questionable to awful. Sacha Baron Cohen looked 20 years too old to be playing Abbie Hoffman despite his doing quite a good job on the acting side of it. The much bigger issue was Eddie Redmayne as Tom Hayden. He simply didn't bring anywhere near the gravitas or maturity needed to play the role. To me, he was unwatchable, even though I think he's a fine actor in other roles. On a more positive note, I thought Mark Rylance was phenomenal as William Kunstler.
Those are just minor issues, though. Another more moderately annoying issue was the use of what I think of as "faux voiceover." That is, instead of using voiceover, which I generally hate, the filmmaker "avoids" that by having one character inexplicably describe to another character a major matter in an awkward way in a conversation that never would have happened. This was used a few times in this movie, such as when Bobby Seale explains in detail to William Kunstler, who already knew these facts, what happened to Fred Hampton. I think I hate use of this device more than voiceover.
The major problem with the movie, though, and why I despised it, was that it was fiction presented as history, in some cases entirely made up just to manipulate the story into what Sorkin wanted. I don't just mean that many of the conversations and actions in the movie did not happen, though that is absolutely true. This includes major plot points, such as the ending (which I won't describe for spoiler reasons even though this one has been out a while), which did not happen that way at all. And not only were historical facts changed and manipulated for dramatic effect, but it was made even worse with the dramatic here come the strings so you know that this is going to be a big moment and then everyone starts clapping and then they give a standing ovation and hold up black power symbols and oh isn't this moving as you know because the orchestral music has reached a crescendo. That ending was absolutely gross. And by the way, even the "where are they now" type scrolls at the end were so misleading - for example, the first item was that the defendants were convicted of inciting a riot, but it does not mention that they were acquitted of the conspiracy charges, which were a focus of the film!
But again it's not just the reworking of facts, but even more so the presentation of the "characters." The fact is, these were not characters but were real people, and the depiction of them in this film is criminally, horribly inaccurate. They were "characters" fictionalized to fit the filmmakers pre-conceived notion of this story. Most are made into caricatures, particularly Hayden and Rubin, but they are all terribly misrepresented. Tom Hayden wasn’t just a privileged kid dealing with daddy issues, ffs. He has Abbie freaking Hoffman saying that the way to effect change is to exercise your right to vote! That was, it appeared, part of his desire to make this into a bit of a "buddy movie" between Hayden and Hoffman by having them come to an understanding to with through their differences. Newsflash: they were not buddies. The movie tries to present the entire group - and in fact even has a character say this - as "hey, we all want the same thing." Second newsflash: they did not. In fact, the entire movie felt very much to me as if it were written by Sorkin with the most minimal framework of a few facts, and then he filled in fiction not just to make a better story but to make an entirely different one. And, aside from that god-awful ending and the faux-voiceover, I might have thought it was a somewhat enjoyable movie if it were fiction, or at least I wouldn't have hated it.
Did @wikkidpissah weigh in on this crap?
I feel like I need a rest and a shower before I post about Minari.
Where to start? On the more minor front, some of the casting was questionable to awful. Sacha Baron Cohen looked 20 years too old to be playing Abbie Hoffman despite his doing quite a good job on the acting side of it. The much bigger issue was Eddie Redmayne as Tom Hayden. He simply didn't bring anywhere near the gravitas or maturity needed to play the role. To me, he was unwatchable, even though I think he's a fine actor in other roles. On a more positive note, I thought Mark Rylance was phenomenal as William Kunstler.
Those are just minor issues, though. Another more moderately annoying issue was the use of what I think of as "faux voiceover." That is, instead of using voiceover, which I generally hate, the filmmaker "avoids" that by having one character inexplicably describe to another character a major matter in an awkward way in a conversation that never would have happened. This was used a few times in this movie, such as when Bobby Seale explains in detail to William Kunstler, who already knew these facts, what happened to Fred Hampton. I think I hate use of this device more than voiceover.
The major problem with the movie, though, and why I despised it, was that it was fiction presented as history, in some cases entirely made up just to manipulate the story into what Sorkin wanted. I don't just mean that many of the conversations and actions in the movie did not happen, though that is absolutely true. This includes major plot points, such as the ending (which I won't describe for spoiler reasons even though this one has been out a while), which did not happen that way at all. And not only were historical facts changed and manipulated for dramatic effect, but it was made even worse with the dramatic here come the strings so you know that this is going to be a big moment and then everyone starts clapping and then they give a standing ovation and hold up black power symbols and oh isn't this moving as you know because the orchestral music has reached a crescendo. That ending was absolutely gross. And by the way, even the "where are they now" type scrolls at the end were so misleading - for example, the first item was that the defendants were convicted of inciting a riot, but it does not mention that they were acquitted of the conspiracy charges, which were a focus of the film!
But again it's not just the reworking of facts, but even more so the presentation of the "characters." The fact is, these were not characters but were real people, and the depiction of them in this film is criminally, horribly inaccurate. They were "characters" fictionalized to fit the filmmakers pre-conceived notion of this story. Most are made into caricatures, particularly Hayden and Rubin, but they are all terribly misrepresented. Tom Hayden wasn’t just a privileged kid dealing with daddy issues, ffs. He has Abbie freaking Hoffman saying that the way to effect change is to exercise your right to vote! That was, it appeared, part of his desire to make this into a bit of a "buddy movie" between Hayden and Hoffman by having them come to an understanding to with through their differences. Newsflash: they were not buddies. The movie tries to present the entire group - and in fact even has a character say this - as "hey, we all want the same thing." Second newsflash: they did not. In fact, the entire movie felt very much to me as if it were written by Sorkin with the most minimal framework of a few facts, and then he filled in fiction not just to make a better story but to make an entirely different one. And, aside from that god-awful ending and the faux-voiceover, I might have thought it was a somewhat enjoyable movie if it were fiction, or at least I wouldn't have hated it.
Did @wikkidpissah weigh in on this crap?
I feel like I need a rest and a shower before I post about Minari.
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EYLive
Footballguy
I didn't realize the length until I watched half and wondered how much was left to go... 2 hours+, OMG.
I'll try to finish tonight.
krista4
Footballguy
While I've said plenty already, I just had a discussion about this movie with ex-Mr. krista and realized even more how misrepresented some of the "characters" were. I'd mentioned above how Rubin was in particular a caricature, and ex-Mr. krista mentioned how he had watched some videos after seeing the movie and how surprised he was that Rubin was so much more substantive and not the Cheech-and-Chong portrait in the movie, then said he was surprised, given that, that he had fallen for the undercover agent. And here's the thing: he didn't. He absolutely didn't. A woman was sent to try to lure him in, but he didn't fall for it as he had a serious long-term girlfriend (or for whatever reason, but he didn't). FFS. But Rubin was made out in the film to be a clown, a non-serious adjunct to Hoffman's "character." Gross.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i did weigh in a little. as usual, the two people with the same taste & expectations of movies wildly disagree.
nothing about Chicago '68 made any sense but the brutality of the official Chicago way of doing things back then. because i fell in love w Bobby Kennedy after hating him my whole life and starting out behind Clean Gene McCarthy (going door2door for him in Salem @ 13yo) and then *poof*, then the convention/protests/riot, then Nixon, then the trial, then my new hero dead as Fred, it all was my own nuclear cloud i didnt wanna think about.
years later, i actually read the transcripts. still didnt make sense to me. for how little it had to do with the truth, the flick made sense of it for me. sometimes the narrative truth is more important than the actual truth and that stoopitbeeootiful Sorkin rhythm of events sensified it for me sos i could put it all to bed in my head.
but yeah, it was a cartoon. i liked SBC's Hoffman because i think Abby woulda liked it. i HATED Rylance's Kunstler because Bill Kunstler's nuts go down to here & clack with justice when he walks and the great actor was almost opposite of that playing him, only similar in smarts. Eddie Redmayne i will punch if i ever see him just cuz he is 3-for-3 ruining movies for me now making Tom Hayden anything but repulsively brilliant. Rubin was a hypester here and then and i dont care. the condensing of the guerilla theater of the whole thing was maddeningly wrong but i dont think anybody could make it work dramatically, so.....
i really feel like i'm saying "y'know, Goebbels makes some good points" and hate being lazy with truth at a time so very few of us value it anymore, but this movie put a bow on the subject and i'm ok widdat for some reason. sry - i know youre right.
krista4
Footballguy
The first point is meaningful in reminding me that we can come to it with the same viewpoint and still find different ways that it succeeds or fails.
The second point is part of what infuriated me the most, though. This time in history, this episode in particular, seems so relevant and important to what is happening in the world right now - from the police brutality to the gaslighting - that it pains me so much more for it to be trivialized and mistold when I feel like we need the truth of the matter to be understood. But then again, it likely doesn't matter in the long run anyway, as evidenced by the mere fact of why it's still important to be told now since we apparently haven't progressed.
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krista4
Footballguy
By the way, I did think SBC's Hoffman was great for what it was, and I kinda agree that Abbie woulda been there with its understanding of his humor without bringing him into caricature as Rubin was (though I coulda done with less of the stand-up comedy bits). And I defer to you on Kunstler. He's not one I know as much in terms of his reality, so I made my statement only in terms of how good the acting was, not on the basis that it was realistic. So let's put that in the "miss" category too along with Hayden, Rubin, Dellinger (who by the way was shown PUNCHING SOMEONE, which is totally disconnected with reality), etc.
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
yeah, it still matters to you. i had prodigious 60s hope, hold a brand of it yet, but have seen society take a turn off the path which assures me i'll be feeding worms long before the next great good will be seen. nothing that makes sense doesnt hurt anymore. seeing yesterdays wild winds flourish even in a comedy of manners you can watch on a phone is better than transcripts of woe
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Lost World (1925)
Probably the best silent film I've seen. The effects work is truly remarkable given when it was made.
Probably the best silent film I've seen. The effects work is truly remarkable given when it was made.
This version can be seen on Kanopy.
